Irish Man Drowns In View Talay Communal Pool

[britmaveric]

Irish man drowns in View Talay communal swimming pool.

Police Captain Saitar from Pattaya Police Station was called to the View Talay Condominium Complex on the Thappraya Road in Jomtien to investigate an Irish man who had drowned in the complexes communal pool. At the scene, the body of Mr. Anthony Kennedy aged 34 from Ireland had been recovered from the water. According to witnesses, he had come to the pool in a drunken state and decided to go for a swim. He got into difficulties and before anyone could help him, he was seen floating face-down in the water. Details of the incident have been sent to the Irish Embassy in Bangkok who are contacting the man's family back in Ireland to inform them of the incident.

-Pattaya City News

[PvtDick]

Maybe he thought the pool was full of Guinness?

[naka]

Apparently he was a large person, so anyone seeing him in difficulties would have second thoughts about jumping in for fear he would take them down too.

[expatgaz]

Which View Talay ?? 1 or 2 ?

[Pattaya City News]

View Talay 1

[Pattaya_Fox]

Irish man drowns in View Talay communal swimming pool.

 

Police Captain Saitar from Pattaya Police Station was called to the View Talay Condominium Complex on the Thappraya Road in Jomtien to investigate an Irish man who had drowned in the complexes communal pool. At the scene, the body of Mr. Anthony Kennedy aged 34 from Ireland had been recovered from the water. According to witnesses, he had come to the pool in a drunken state and decided to go for a swim. He got into difficulties and before anyone could help him, he was seen floating face-down in the water. Details of the incident have been sent to the Irish Embassy in Bangkok who are contacting the man's family back in Ireland to inform them of the incident.

-Pattaya City News

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.....so much for a little help when you need it...no matter how big you are.....

[Sir Burr]

Some advice for anybody thinking about rescuing a drowning person (more for the sea than a pool).

Because of my job, I have to do sea survival courses every four years.

We are taught that the first rule of safety is "Look after yourself first".

If you try to rescue a drowning person who is in a state of panic, they will cling to you and try to get on top of you. You will both drown. We are told to tread water out of reach of the victim until they finally go under. By that time they are either too weak (or unconscious) to be a threat. You can then grab them and take them to the beach.

Sounds heartless I know, but it makes a lot of sense.

[Pattaya_Fox]

Some advice for anybody thinking about rescuing a drowning person (more for the sea than a pool).

Because of my job, I have to do sea survival courses every four years.

We are taught that the first rule of safety is "Look after yourself first".

If you try to rescue a drowning person who is in a state of panic, they will cling to you and try to get on top of you. You will both drown. We are told to tread water out of reach of the victim until they finally go under. By that time they are either too weak (or unconscious) to be a threat. You can then grab them and take them to the beach.

Sounds heartless I know, but it makes a lot of sense.

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...Obviously the sea survival course was to look after yourself.... If everybody acted like you then most of the victims would drown.....What I suggest you do is to take a Life Saving Course and then the poor buggers who are floundering might have a chance of being saved....

[Sir Burr]

If you take a life saving course that specialises in saving lives, then I'm sure the training is different.

The courses I go on are for mariners and offshore workers. This is what you are supposed to do if you are unqualified. ie just a normal person. Makes perfect sense to me.

No properly trained rescue worker puts their own life at risk if there is another way.

You seem to be the expert, just how would you save a panicking, floundering drowning person?

Edited March 12, 2005 by Sir Burr

[Pattaya_Fox]

If you take a life saving course that specialises in saving lives, then I'm sure the training is different.

The courses I go on are for mariners and offshore workers. This is what you are supposed to do if you are unqualified. ie just a normal person. Makes perfect sense to me.

No properly trained rescue worker puts their own life at risk if there is another way.

You seem to be the expert, just how would you save a panicking, floundering drowning person?

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...If you took a life saving course you would be taught how to handle struggling and panicking people......

[Sir Burr]

So, tell me how you would do it? Are you trained?

I'm all ears. I'm always willing to upgrade my skills if I can, but I suspect you don't know do you?

Edited March 12, 2005 by Sir Burr

[Pattaya_Fox]

So, tell me how you would do it? Are you trained?

I'm all ears. I'm always willing to upgrade my skills if I can, but I suspect you don't know do you?

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I learned and took my tests with the Royal Life saving Society in the Uk some years ago now....yes I suppose I am trained in that I would not hesitate to try to rescue a drowning person from a swimming pool, river or sea.....assuning of course that the conditions allowed me to do so....

[Sir Burr]

You haven't answered the question.....

How do you "control" a panicking, drowning person without putting your own life at risk?

Nor would I hesitate, just that I would do it as my instructors taught me.

Edited March 12, 2005 by Sir Burr

[Pattaya_Fox]

You haven't answered the question.....

How do you "control" a panicking, drowning person without putting your own life at risk?

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If the person is facing you and grabs you which is probably what they would do...you have to turn that person around so that you are controlling the situation with the person on his/her back.

It may be necessary if the person is struggling very hard to hit them with the flat of your hand on the side of their head or face and turn them at the same time.

When you have them under control you can then swim on your back holding their head above water and swim to a place of safety.

Obviously this method is the textbook method and is not always possible, but is the best and safest way both for the victim and yourself....

[Sir Burr]

You haven't answered the question.....

How do you "control" a panicking, drowning person without putting your own life at risk?

If the person is facing you and grabs you which is probably what they would do...you have to turn that person around so that you are controlling the situation with the person on his/her back.

It may be necessary if the person is struggling very hard to hit them with the flat of your hand on the side of their head or face and turn them at the same time.

When you have them under control you can then swim on your back holding their head above water and swim to a place of safety.

Obviously this method is the textbook method and is not always possible, but is the best and safest way both for the victim and yourself....

No I don't think so. A drowning person becomes an animal. They will do ANYTHING to try and save themselves. What if they are bigger than you. Don't forget, at the early stages, they have adrenaline coursing through their veins. This gives them incredible strength. I can't see you "turning them around". My instructors told us NOT to hit them. Wait until they weaken. As I've said before, the first rule of safety in ANY situation is to look after yourself first. Two dead people is no use to anyone. If you get into difficulties, then that means yet another person has to come out. Sorry, but I think I'll just listen to my instructors.

[Pattaya_Fox]

You haven't answered the question.....

How do you "control" a panicking, drowning person without putting your own life at risk?

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If the person is facing you and grabs you which is probably what they would do...you have to turn that person around so that you are controlling the situation with the person on his/her back.

It may be necessary if the person is struggling very hard to hit them with the flat of your hand on the side of their head or face and turn them at the same time.

When you have them under control you can then swim on your back holding their head above water and swim to a place of safety.

Obviously this method is the textbook method and is not always possible, but is the best and safest way both for the victim and yourself....

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No I don't think so. A drowning person becomes an animal. They will do ANYTHING to try and save themselves. What if they are bigger than you. Don't forget, at the early stages, they have adrenaline coursing through their veins. This gives them incredible strength. I can't see you "turning them around". My instructors told us NOT to hit them. Wait until they weaken. As I've said before, the first rule of safety in ANY situation is to look after yourself first. Two dead people is no use to anyone. If you get into difficulties, then that means yet another person has to come out. Sorry, but I think I'll just listen to my instructors.

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AS you said you haven`t learned how to Life save as a Life saver would so you have to listen to your people...fair enough...you asked me how I would do it and I told you the way I was taught.....you are entitled to have your opinion....but I have the certificates.....so what I said was correct and in line with the training of the Royal Life Saving Society....

[Sir Burr]

You haven't answered the question.....

How do you "control" a panicking, drowning person without putting your own life at risk?

If the person is facing you and grabs you which is probably what they would do...you have to turn that person around so that you are controlling the situation with the person on his/her back.

It may be necessary if the person is struggling very hard to hit them with the flat of your hand on the side of their head or face and turn them at the same time.

When you have them under control you can then swim on your back holding their head above water and swim to a place of safety.

Obviously this method is the textbook method and is not always possible, but is the best and safest way both for the victim and yourself....

No I don't think so. A drowning person becomes an animal. They will do ANYTHING to try and save themselves. What if they are bigger than you. Don't forget, at the early stages, they have adrenaline coursing through their veins. This gives them incredible strength. I can't see you "turning them around". My instructors told us NOT to hit them. Wait until they weaken. As I've said before, the first rule of safety in ANY situation is to look after yourself first. Two dead people is no use to anyone. If you get into difficulties, then that means yet another person has to come out. Sorry, but I think I'll just listen to my instructors.

AS you said you haven`t learned how to Life save as a Life saver would so you have to listen to your people...fair enough...you asked me how I would do it and I told you the way I was taught.....you are entitled to have your opinion....but I have the certificates.....so what I said was correct and in line with the training of the Royal Life Saving Society....

You say that you hit them and turn them round and once you have them under control etc etc.

What I'm saying is that if you tried that with a panicking person who is bigger than you, stronger than you, you wouldn't even get the chance of turning them around. There is a high chance you would die too. Don't under-estimate the strength of somebody who is fighting for their life. All reason has gone from this persons mind. In effect, they are no longer human. They are just like any other animal fighting for survival. If you approach them, you put yourself at risk, thereby breaking the first rule of safety.

[Pattaya_Fox]

You haven't answered the question.....

How do you "control" a panicking, drowning person without putting your own life at risk?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

If the person is facing you and grabs you which is probably what they would do...you have to turn that person around so that you are controlling the situation with the person on his/her back.

It may be necessary if the person is struggling very hard to hit them with the flat of your hand on the side of their head or face and turn them at the same time.

When you have them under control you can then swim on your back holding their head above water and swim to a place of safety.

Obviously this method is the textbook method and is not always possible, but is the best and safest way both for the victim and yourself....

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

No I don't think so. A drowning person becomes an animal. They will do ANYTHING to try and save themselves. What if they are bigger than you. Don't forget, at the early stages, they have adrenaline coursing through their veins. This gives them incredible strength. I can't see you "turning them around". My instructors told us NOT to hit them. Wait until they weaken. As I've said before, the first rule of safety in ANY situation is to look after yourself first. Two dead people is no use to anyone. If you get into difficulties, then that means yet another person has to come out. Sorry, but I think I'll just listen to my instructors.

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AS you said you haven`t learned how to Life save as a Life saver would so you have to listen to your people...fair enough...you asked me how I would do it and I told you the way I was taught.....you are entitled to have your opinion....but I have the certificates.....so what I said was correct and in line with the training of the Royal Life Saving Society....

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You say that you hit them and turn them round and once you have them under control etc etc.

What I'm saying is that if you tried that with a panicking person who is bigger than you, stronger than you, you wouldn't even get the chance of turning them around. There is a high chance you would die too. Don't under-estimate the strength of somebody who is fighting for their life. All reason has gone from this persons mind. In effect, they are no longer human. They are just like any other animal fighting for survival. If you approach them, you put yourself at risk, thereby breaking the first rule of safety.

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As I said that`s your point of view........but you know I am pretty big myself and I have enough confidence and training to handle most situations....

[glassdude007]

sounds like two pomies treading water....

now lets get back too the thread...dont go swimming

while sh*tfaced....p.s....i swim like a fish..lol..

[Sir Burr]

It's not my point of view. It is the point of view of the many different instructors I've been taught by. Some of these guys are ex-Aussie Navy, ex-Royal Marines, ex-RNLI, Air-force. Not guys that teach life-saving at the local swimming pool.

Maybe you are big and burly. Does that mean your training is only any good if you are bigger than the person drowning? Not a lot of use if it can't be used by everyone. The way I was taught may sound heartless, but it can be used by anyone of any size.

Also, how long ago did you take the course? If you took a refresher, you might find methods have changed.

Edited March 12, 2005 by Sir Burr

[Pattaya_Fox]

It's not my point of view. It is the point of view of the many different instructors I've been taught by. Some of these guys are ex-Aussie Navy, ex-Royal Marines, ex-RNLI, Air-force. Not guys that teach life-saving at the local swimming pool.

Maybe you are big and burly. Does that mean your training is only any good if you are bigger than the person drowning? Not a lot of use if it can't be used by everyone. The way I was taught may sound heartless, but it can be used by anyone of any size.

Also, how long ago did you take the course? If you took a refresher, you might find methods have changed.

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You do digress don`t you?. The topic was about a man who drowned....and from what you say you would have stood back and watch him drown heartless....you said it.......I suggested a life saving course....and I still think that this would be the best way to learn how to save another person from drowning........

[Sir Burr]

No, I wouldn't have let him drown. If it was in the pool, I would have probably thrown a life-ring, or used a pole or any object at hand to fish him out. I said in my original post that the method I was taught was more to do with someone drowning at sea, when there is no life-ring or pole available.

I resent the fact that you think I would not save a man in need. I would, but I would do it the way I was taught. As I said, it seems heartless, but the end result is two people alive at the end of it. Your method risks two people dead.

[Pattaya_Fox]

...Fine as I said that`s your opinion

You`ll be pleased to know that I will not be replying anymore on this thread as it is leading nowhere...Goodnight Mr Knight...

[Sir Burr]

Goodnight.