george Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Bangkok Post bans Thaivisa from using its content BANGKOK (thaivisa.com): -- The Publisher of Bangkok Post, Post Publishing PCL, has informed Thaivisa.com that they have joined the "Society for Online News Providers, (SONP)", and their policy is apparently that RSS feeds are the only way for other web sites to republish news articles. Given their request that no content be published on ThaiVisa unless as an RSS feed, which is an automatic feed with no commentary, Bangkok Post articles can no longer be published in any ThaiVisa forums from now on since the forums are not an RSS feed. "Thaivisa must respect Bangkok Post's new policy, but we are sort of sad to see them go away. We have a very different vision than the Bangkok Post about the future of community networking", says Barry Main, marketing director of ThaiVisa.com. "But no worries, we have The Nation and The Phuket Gazette already on board, and we are soon hooking up with other local news sources. Our goal is to serve our members with a mixed and balanced news feed. Bangkok Post has changed this balance, at least for now", says Barry Main. Avoid content from Bangkok Post For legal reasons, and to protect the website and its members, Thaivisa.com must comply with this new policy and urge all members to avoid all Bangkok Post content, advising its members to find alternative content instead. Members quoting or posting Bangkok Post content will be warned by our moderating team, and the post will be deleted without warning. Bangkok Post's web traffic is in sharp decline according to Google Trends. The ban on Bangkok Post articles is in effect immediately. -- thaivisa.com 2009-10-02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Changian Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Bangkok Post bans Thaivisa from using its content Hardly surprising as you are in partnership with their sole competitor . . . who's in dire financial straits and in urgent need of bailing out. Bangkok Post's web traffic is in sharp decline according to Google Trends. And so is The Nation's according to the same source, only difference is that the BK Post gets far more hits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khaowong1 Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 to me like "someone" is trying to tell Thaivisa something, like, hey, mind your own business, you have no business intefering with anything that concerns Thailand or it's policies.. keep it up George, we love you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lensta Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Pitty, I find the Bkk Post far better than the Nation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raynimmo Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 So surely for ThiaVisa to keep up with the rest of the world you should implement RSS within posts. Bit of a no brainer really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 An FYI, posting headlines and links is still alright under fair use clauses in most countries... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 I wounder if it is possible per law to ban using their content as a clearly shown quote in Thailand??? Any legal expert here? On the traffic I see even more a decline of the nation, but Thaivisa is doing well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqualogic Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Never mind, they will come around eventually. There are plenty of formerly powerful news organizations in the West also trying to figure out how to claw back the omnipotent control over news and information they once had. Happily, the boat has already sailed and the mass general public are all on board. Bon voyage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunny Valentine Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Wonder what the legal situation is here in Thailand concerning fair use, in terms of quoting published media content? Sunny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy1308 Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 What is the policy regarding linking to stories in The Bangkok Post? Is that prohibited too? I am aware my views will be in the minority, but as a publisher I can partly understand where they are coming from, although I suspect that also has a lot to do with the agreement ThaiVisa has with The Nation. The fact is that content costs money and why should a publisher allow its content to be used and, possibly, lose them income while at the same time generating revenues for others. Yes, you can argue that quoting from a story will send visitors to the website however advertising revenues from websites in Thailand are tiny and will not even come close, in most cases, to covering production costs. My view is that publishers around the world are going to become more protective about their content. We're seeing that already, and the trend will rise over the coming months as more look to introduce some form of charging models for their online content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desi Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Bangkok Post bans Thaivisa from using its contentBANGKOK (thaivisa.com): -- The Publisher of Bangkok Post, Post Publishing PCL, has informed Thaivisa.com that they have joined the "Society for Online News Providers, (SONP)", and their policy is apparently that RSS feeds are the only way for other web sites to republish news articles. Posting the whole article or too much of an article should be banned, but a quote? This makes no sense and goes against what is a given on the Internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Bangkok Post bans Thaivisa from using its content Hardly surprising as you are in partnership with their sole competitor . . . who's in dire financial straits and in urgent need of bailing out. Bangkok Post's web traffic is in sharp decline according to Google Trends. And so is The Nation's according to the same source, only difference is that the BK Post gets far more hits But that's not the way it works on the internet. It is far better to have your own content+link everywhere on forums, getting famous than being alone and have the The Nation everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnbcm Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 (edited) You've got to be kidding. ThaiVisa is probably the reason they get half their traffic. Way to shoot yourself in the foot BKK Post! Edited October 2, 2009 by mnbcm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george Posted October 2, 2009 Author Share Posted October 2, 2009 Please note that not only Thaivisa.com is affected. This applies to all websites that re-publishes Bangkok Post content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 In general I support that "Society for Online News Providers" - they should get their royalties for reposting their content, which is not free to produce. That's what Bangkok Post should try to negotiate - share of the revenue for reading their articles on TV or anywhere else. But if they chose to forbid reposting and even quoting - it's their choice, I just hope they eventually realize that it's not the way to move forward. They might hurt themselves, but, on the other hand - no one here, on TV, would be happy if they go bust, or if the quality of their reporting deteriorates - that's not what we want to see in Thailand. For now the ban is a ban. Hope they still allow links. That was not clear from George's announcement. Are they ok with posting links to their articles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaiDong Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Pitty, I find the Bkk Post far better than the Nation Ditto. It's a little bit bloody-minded, to prevent thaivisa from using BKK Post content because "the forums are not an RSS feed", who cares anyway, RSS feeds are utterly useless in most peoples lives, aren't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathanpattaya Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 That's a pity. It used to my newspaper of choice here in Thailand. However, the quality has deteriorated in recent years and it is a very thin newspaper these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
007 Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Avoid content from Bangkok Post I've avoided buying the printed edition of BP for the past five years. Thumbs up for The Nation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 I, for one, hardly ever go to BP webiste - all important stories get reposted here anyway. Thaivisa is like RSS feed itself, expect instead of headlines you get to read WHOLE news articles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyphuketLife Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 (edited) I really wonder if this is what they were after? They more than likely did not want Thaivisa or any website for that matter posting the entire or most of an article... I am sure it would not be an issue posting the headlines, then linking to the article like so many websites do (dig, slashdot, google,)... I for one don't blame them, its not fair that Thaivisa posts the entire or most of the article, giving most forum visitors no need to go to BKKPOST's website. So Thaivisa gets all the ad impressions off of the backs of BKK POST's work. Maybe you should change your policy to only allow headlines.... Then it would be fair to both parties... Edited October 2, 2009 by MyphuketLife Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmitch Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 OK, I'm going to ask the question that I hope other people are thinking: What is an RSS feed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ff978472 Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Intellectual property From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia "Intellectual property (IP) is a number of distinct types of legal monopolies over creations of the mind, both artistic and commercial, and the corresponding fields of law.[1] Under intellectual property law, owners are granted certain exclusive rights to a variety of intangible assets, such as musical, literary, and artistic works; ideas, discoveries and inventions; and words, phrases, symbols, and designs. Common types of intellectual property include copyrights, trademarks, patents, industrial design rights and trade secrets in some jurisdictions. Although many of the legal principles governing intellectual property have evolved over centuries, it was not until the 19th century that the term intellectual property began to be used, and, it is said, not until the late 20th century that it became commonplace in the United States.[2]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRFortuner Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Just another way of saying "Pay money and I will let you publish" .. Its all about the money !! Lets side track a little bit. does everyone (no only Thais) thinks that expats earns alot of money? if you think so, says "I" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabaijai Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Odd that one can find no mention of the "Society for Online News Providers" anywhere online, other than this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrpositive Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 ThaiVisa.com have you taken this lying down? As a journalist of over 20 years and lecturer of Mass Comms, I am unaware of the legal strength of this decision, and it sounds as though you are too - as you have not mentioned any REAL legal argument for this decision. Have you been bullied? Acted out of fear? Simply believed that you can not properly quote with use of referents, just because they told you so? This sounds fishy ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. Perhaps you may wish to put this to rest by actually quoting your legal source, or making reference to the legal precedent that actually forbids you from quoting with use of referents. There is NO legal precedent for this. They have NO legal right to prevent you from quoting them with full credit. What's the REAL story here Thaivisa? Don't you have a duty to report the truth, ethically and responsibly, as well as some kind of duty to your readership? Maybe you should make a stand - with respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy1308 Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 (edited) I, for one, hardly ever go to BP webiste - all important stories get reposted here anyway.Thaivisa is like RSS feed itself, expect instead of headlines you get to read WHOLE news articles. And no offence intended because you are not alone, but that is exactly why Post Publishing, and other publishers, are likely to increasingly adopt measure to protect their copyright. Because you're not visiting their website they are missing out on possible advertising revenues - at the expense of this website which gains. (Edit: In the interests of transparency I want to add I have absolutely no connection with Post Publishing, however I do work for a Bangkok-based Thai language magazine and website publisher). Edited October 2, 2009 by andy1308 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushdepth Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 A few years ago there was an effort on Thaivisa to limit posting of news stories from the papers to the headline + the intro paragraph + the link back to the full article. What happened to that? Surely that fits under fair use? I think the problem is the way the Post sets up its pages. The links die after a few days. Unlike some other news sources where pages are available months, possible years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 (edited) What is an RSS feed? It's a kind of technology that sends you links to the latest news articles. You can see the headline and perhaps one sentence explaining what it is about. Odd that one can find no mention of the "Society for Online News Providers" anywhere online, other than this thread. There was a news report about formation of this society, in the Nation, a couple of weeks ago. http://www.nationmultimedia.com/search/rea...newsid=30113046 Edited October 2, 2009 by Plus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie Dye Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Avoid content from Bangkok Post I've avoided buying the printed edition of BP for the past five years. Thumbs up for The Nation! BUT it has a lot of alternative uses after reading it if one has a lot of dogs at home!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ff978472 Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 And no offence intended because you are not alone, but that is exactly why Post Publishing, and other publishers, are likely to increasingly adopt measure to protect their copyright. Because you're not visiting their website they are missing out on possible advertising revenues - at the expense of this website which gains. In other words, Thai Visa is stealing "some" traffic from BKK Post. Be fair, people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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