Baby Gets My Surname - Let Me Get This Right...

[jauntyjohn]

Baby born, birth has yet to be registered - must be done in the next 5 days - I am married to the lady who had the baby - does the baby HAVE TO take my surname or can it be registered under my wifes surname? If yes, can we change the surname to my surname in the future?

[soihok]

Hello.

Firstly congratulations on the birth of your child.

I,ve been through this situation so it goes like this.

The baby will take the surname of the Thai mother.

If your wife has taken the same surname as yourself , as in her Thai ID card shows your surname, the child will have that surname.

If your wifes ID states her Thai surname , the child will have her Thai surname.

You will go down on the birth cert as the father upon presenting your passport.

Once the birth cert has been issued and registered you will not be able to change the surname of the child on the birth cert.

I did change one of our girls surname about 3 years after her birth by deed poll, which was resonably straight forward and mainly for passport, immigration and general ........same family name.

But the child will hold the same name on the birth cert for the rest of her/his life as it cannot be changed.

Hope this helps.

[soihok]

Excuse me for asking, but if the baby was born in a hospital, registration is within the same time, more or less.

Was your baby born outside of a hospital?

[jauntyjohn]

Hello.

Firstly congratulations on the birth of your child.

I,ve been through this situation so it goes like this.

The baby will take the surname of the Thai mother.

If your wife has taken the same surname as yourself , as in her Thai ID card shows your surname, the child will have that surname.

If your wifes ID states her Thai surname , the child will have her Thai surname.

You will go down on the birth cert as the father upon presenting your passport.

Once the birth cert has been issued and registered you will not be able to change the surname of the child on the birth cert.

I did change one of our girls surname about 3 years after her birth by deed poll, which was resonably straight forward and mainly for passport, immigration and general ........same family name.

But the child will hold the same name on the birth cert for the rest of her/his life as it cannot be changed.

Hope this helps.

Grat thx - if the baby takes my wifes surname - which is on her id card - will i be able to get an australian passport in the future for the child?

[soihok]

Hello.

I cant help you with Austrailian questions as I from England.

We made Brit passports for both our daughters, along with British birth certs, as long you have your name on the birth cert your child will be eligible.

The birth cert will need to have a notorised translated copy approved by the Thai authorities , by which I mean stamped, so that the Aus embassy will be able to read it.

I dont know of the Aus rules,,,,sorry.

Other than its queer game of football you have.

No worries.

Chris ( UK)

[jauntyjohn]

Hello.

I cant help you with Austrailian questions as I from England.

We made Brit passports for both our daughters, along with British birth certs, as long you have your name on the birth cert your child will be eligible.

The birth cert will need to have a notorised translated copy approved by the Thai authorities , by which I mean stamped, so that the Aus embassy will be able to read it.

I dont know of the Aus rules,,,,sorry.

Other than its queer game of football you have.

No worries.

Chris ( UK)

Ok so, if my wife has her surname on her id card the baby will take her name, not my surname but my name will be put down as the father of the child...right?

If I am not put down is it difficult to apply for a passport for the child in the future?

[bkkjames]

Hello.

I cant help you with Austrailian questions as I from England.

We made Brit passports for both our daughters, along with British birth certs, as long you have your name on the birth cert your child will be eligible.

The birth cert will need to have a notorised translated copy approved by the Thai authorities , by which I mean stamped, so that the Aus embassy will be able to read it.

I dont know of the Aus rules,,,,sorry.

Other than its queer game of football you have.

No worries.

Chris ( UK)

Ok so, if my wife has her surname on her id card the baby will take her name, not my surname but my name will be put down as the father of the child...right?

If I am not put down is it difficult to apply for a passport for the child in the future?

Last part should not matter but will probably require additional paperwork.

In our case, wife changed her last name to mine upon marriage. kid was born with our last name.

[Thailaw]

The information you have received in response to your inquiry is rubbish, which is I am sorry to say far too common in this forum. People provide personal experience as "fact", when in many cases it simply doesn't apply or at least doesn't apply in a different case. Case in fact, my girl friend and I are not married. Her last name on her ID card is different than mine (suprise, suprise). Our daugher was born in a hospital in Thailand and her Thai birth certificate completed by the hospital shows her sur name as mine (written phonetically in Thai), NOT the sur name of my girlfriend shown on her ID card. This was expected by my girl friend as the way it is always done in Thailand and the hospital (the child takes the sur name of the father, married or not), but it may be possible to have had my daughter's sur name on the birth certificate stated as that of my girl friend. I never asked and never objected to my name being used. And why would you? (not really my business, and I don't really care). My daughter also has a foreign birth certificate issued at a foreign embassy in Bangkok. Her sur name on that birth certificate, as well as on her Thai passport and on her foreign passport, is my sur name and NOT that of my girl friend. No one every raised an issue with this and it is consistent with the names of other ex pat children that I know.

[bkkjames]

The information you have received in response to your inquiry is rubbish, which is I am sorry to say far too common in this forum. People provide personal experience as "fact", when in many cases it simply doesn't apply or at least doesn't apply in a different case. Case in fact, my girl friend and I are not married. Her last name on her ID card is different than mine (suprise, suprise). Our daugher was born in a hospital in Thailand and her Thai birth certificate completed by the hospital shows her sur name as mine (written phonetically in Thai), NOT the sur name of my girlfriend shown on her ID card. This was expected by my girl friend as the way it is always done in Thailand and the hospital (the child takes the sur name of the father, married or not), but it may be possible to have had my daughter's sur name on the birth certificate stated as that of my girl friend. I never asked and never objected to my name being used. And why would you? (not really my business, and I don't really care). My daughter also has a foreign birth certificate issued at a foreign embassy in Bangkok. Her sur name on that birth certificate, as well as on her Thai passport and on her foreign passport, is my sur name and NOT that of my girl friend. No one every raised an issue with this and it is consistent with the names of other ex pat children that I know.

Nice post Thailaw.

Would make more sense if the OP was not married but what the hey let's not let your personal experience get in the way either.

By the way, in case you are interested, the OP asked if he could have his baby surname the same as his wife's.

[Thailaw]

Not sure what you are saying or suggesting BKKJames. I was objecting specifically to the post of Soihok, which stated in relevant part

"I,ve been through this situation so it goes like this.

The baby will take the surname of the Thai mother.

If your wife has taken the same surname as yourself , as in her Thai ID card shows your surname, the child will have that surname.

If your wifes ID states her Thai surname , the child will have her Thai surname." (emphasis added).

That, as I stated in my post, is simply wrong, and I provided my personal experience as evidence. I think I stated pretty clearly (perhaps you missed that part) that it might have been possible to have my daughter given the sur name of my g/f. I don't know because I never asked. And I guess it is possible that being married or not will affect the conclusion as to what sur name will be used. I doubt it, but it is no doubt possible. Which is one more reason why people that respond to specific querries should explain the circumstances, so that the person asking the question can see if the situation applies to them, and not the blanket statements like Soihol's that purport to be apply in all cases (no facts, no background, just bold (and incorrect conclusions)) -- "I've been through it before and here is how it is" -- rubbish.

Cheers,

[bkkjames]

I was replying to this as it didn't appear at first reading to be aimed at any specific TV member...

The information you have received in response to your inquiry is rubbish, which is I am sorry to say far too common in this forum. People provide personal experience as "fact", when in many cases it simply doesn't apply or at least doesn't apply in a different case.

Anyways, cheers

[samran]

Hello.

Firstly congratulations on the birth of your child.

I,ve been through this situation so it goes like this.

The baby will take the surname of the Thai mother.

If your wife has taken the same surname as yourself , as in her Thai ID card shows your surname, the child will have that surname.

If your wifes ID states her Thai surname , the child will have her Thai surname.

You will go down on the birth cert as the father upon presenting your passport.

Once the birth cert has been issued and registered you will not be able to change the surname of the child on the birth cert.

I did change one of our girls surname about 3 years after her birth by deed poll, which was resonably straight forward and mainly for passport, immigration and general ........same family name.

But the child will hold the same name on the birth cert for the rest of her/his life as it cannot be changed.

Hope this helps.

Grat thx - if the baby takes my wifes surname - which is on her id card - will i be able to get an australian passport in the future for the child?

Surname doesn't matter.

If you are stated on the birth certificate as the father, and you are an Australian citizen, then you are able to pass on citizenship to your child. This will require you to go to the embassy at some point and register for Australian citizenship for your daughter, which is fairly automatic. With the citizenship be decent certificate in hand, you can then apply for an Australian passport.

By vitue of your child being born to a Thai parent, they are automatically a Thai citizen. The birth certificate which is issued by the Ampur will attest to this fact.

[Thailaw]

Mai me bahn ha......

[jaapk]

Grat thx - if the baby takes my wifes surname - which is on her id card - will i be able to get an australian passport in the future for the child?

You can always check this website:

(https:www.passports.gov.au/Web/Newppt/ApplyingU18.aspx)

And congrats with the newborn.

JJ

[jauntyjohn]

Hello.

Firstly congratulations on the birth of your child.

I,ve been through this situation so it goes like this.

The baby will take the surname of the Thai mother.

If your wife has taken the same surname as yourself , as in her Thai ID card shows your surname, the child will have that surname.

If your wifes ID states her Thai surname , the child will have her Thai surname.

You will go down on the birth cert as the father upon presenting your passport.

Once the birth cert has been issued and registered you will not be able to change the surname of the child on the birth cert.

I did change one of our girls surname about 3 years after her birth by deed poll, which was resonably straight forward and mainly for passport, immigration and general ........same family name.

But the child will hold the same name on the birth cert for the rest of her/his life as it cannot be changed.

Hope this helps.

Grat thx - if the baby takes my wifes surname - which is on her id card - will i be able to get an australian passport in the future for the child?

Surname doesn't matter.

If you are stated on the birth certificate as the father, and you are an Australian citizen, then you are able to pass on citizenship to your child. This will require you to go to the embassy at some point and register for Australian citizenship for your daughter, which is fairly automatic. With the citizenship be decent certificate in hand, you can then apply for an Australian passport.

By vitue of your child being born to a Thai parent, they are automatically a Thai citizen. The birth certificate which is issued by the Ampur will attest to this fact.

Ok thanks - I provided my wife with a copy of my passport and she has our marriage certificate - the umpher say they need a certified translated copy of my passport page which seems odd to me given they have our marriage certificate in thai - if i dont provide will i still be put down as the father? thanks all.

[Mario2008]

No need to get personal here. Attack each others point of view, not the person itself.

[Mario2008]

Since my above advise was not taken I have taken the liberty to delete two posts. Further personal attacks will result in a warning.

[MisterBeetle]

Hello.

Firstly congratulations on the birth of your child.

I,ve been through this situation so it goes like this.

The baby will take the surname of the Thai mother.

If your wife has taken the same surname as yourself , as in her Thai ID card shows your surname, the child will have that surname.

If your wifes ID states her Thai surname , the child will have her Thai surname.

You will go down on the birth cert as the father upon presenting your passport.

Once the birth cert has been issued and registered you will not be able to change the surname of the child on the birth cert.

I did change one of our girls surname about 3 years after her birth by deed poll, which was resonably straight forward and mainly for passport, immigration and general ........same family name.

But the child will hold the same name on the birth cert for the rest of her/his life as it cannot be changed.

Hope this helps.

Grat thx - if the baby takes my wifes surname - which is on her id card - will i be able to get an australian passport in the future for the child?

Surname doesn't matter.

If you are stated on the birth certificate as the father, and you are an Australian citizen, then you are able to pass on citizenship to your child. This will require you to go to the embassy at some point and register for Australian citizenship for your daughter, which is fairly automatic. With the citizenship be decent certificate in hand, you can then apply for an Australian passport.

By vitue of your child being born to a Thai parent, they are automatically a Thai citizen. The birth certificate which is issued by the Ampur will attest to this fact.

This is good information !! Thank you.

My issue is that I am still legally married (although separated for a year).

Will I be able to register my Baby and get it Australian Passport? I would really love to have my Thai girlfriend join me back in Australia next year after the baby is born.