Thai Government Urges Citizens On Alert In Bangkok

[joe beets]

^You've thought this one through pretty thoroughly now, na?

How do we stop them from killing innocent people?

Kill lots more innocent people!

Next?

Oy.

jb

[ray23]

If anyone is wondering at all why the world stage is in the state it's in look no further than the responses and opinions on this board.  It's a perfect microcosm of the world as a whole.  Mass disagreement and little wisdom and heart present to use as a guiding light.

The proportion of people that are seething with hatred and dulled with fear is always amazing to witness.  Proponents for violating human rights (the belief that the end justifies the means), the complete eradication of people on a stereo-typical scale (the belief that you have little control over your life experience), the retraction of personal freedoms and liberties to secure safety (again, the end justifies the means), the escalation of the power struggle, which always results in the loss of more "innocent" life (again, the end justifies the means, the belief that war could ever be just, the belief that war is the only road to peace, the belief that might is right), etc., etc., etc.

Many would not class their belief systems in the same category as the ideas held by those fanatical people behind the death and destruction and yet so many of the ideas expressed here are fanactical in their own right.  Fanatics never see themselves as such.  Their convictions of righteousness are enough to blind them from ever questioning any further what they believe, let alone the erroneous assumption that their beliefs are not beliefs at all but facts.  Religions are much the same in the sense that you simply don't question any of it.  Blind acceptance is what makes religion work.

I see here so much of the same blind acceptance to beliefs that ultimately serve you all poorly.  Never questioning their value, never weighing them with your heart (the best guidance anyone ever has; your heart never lies, as the old adage goes), never looking for inherent contradictions within beliefs (always a dead giveaway as to a belief's true validity), never considering their full effects, never asking whether or not they bring you happiness or pain, and, taken to the ultimate extreme, an utter willingness to happily die for beliefs that aren't even a part of who you truly are.  So many Gods must be rolling over in their graves after reading some of this boards' content.

The resistance of so many to be willing to examine their beliefs, to change their beliefs, or even put them on hold while considering quite different beliefs is confounding to me at times.  Or, the strict adherence to beliefs that in many cases run contrary to the heart.  And the search for answers to and understanding of life and world events in the wrong places with the wrong questions being asked over and over and over again.

All the world's a stage.  Shakespeare hit it on the head when he coined that phrase.

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Very well written and true we are infact a very dangerous creature and I doubt that is going to change. This is one area where history repeats itself over and over. Unfortuantely for a change to occur everyone must change, doubt that will ever happen, hasn't yet.

The one thing that has truly amazed me over the years is cruelty of man to man, not just in war but in everyday life. I know of people killed in a social settings because they didn't laugh at a joke. Doesn't take monetary gain for someone to be murdered. Yes indeed we are dangerous creatures.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Don't be so down-hearted, ray23. The ability to create is simply a double-edged sword, that's all. The world by and large experiences a vastly greater proportion of health and happiness than it does ill-being in any given moment. All you have to do is walk out into your favorite natural spot to remind yourself of that. Lighten up. The world isn't going to ###### any time soon, 55555555555!

And quit reading the daily papers as their number one product is bad news. They know ###### well what sells. Morbid curiosity is a curious thing.

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Not down hearted at all my little slice of life is not like that at all, I very seldom read the papers. A retired cop from the L.A. area does see the worst of people through a career and at time the best as well.

I just recognize the part of life that I don't want and built my life here not to be involved in it anymore. Isn't Thialand a wondeful place where you can build the life you want for yourself and your loved ones.

[Tippaporn]

If anyone is wondering at all why the world stage is in the state it's in look no further than the responses and opinions on this board.  It's a perfect microcosm of the world as a whole.  Mass disagreement and little wisdom and heart present to use as a guiding light.

The proportion of people that are seething with hatred and dulled with fear is always amazing to witness.  Proponents for violating human rights (the belief that the end justifies the means), the complete eradication of people on a stereo-typical scale (the belief that you have little control over your life experience), the retraction of personal freedoms and liberties to secure safety (again, the end justifies the means), the escalation of the power struggle, which always results in the loss of more "innocent" life (again, the end justifies the means, the belief that war could ever be just, the belief that war is the only road to peace, the belief that might is right), etc., etc., etc.

Many would not class their belief systems in the same category as the ideas held by those fanatical people behind the death and destruction and yet so many of the ideas expressed here are fanactical in their own right.  Fanatics never see themselves as such.  Their convictions of righteousness are enough to blind them from ever questioning any further what they believe, let alone the erroneous assumption that their beliefs are not beliefs at all but facts.  Religions are much the same in the sense that you simply don't question any of it.  Blind acceptance is what makes religion work.

I see here so much of the same blind acceptance to beliefs that ultimately serve you all poorly.  Never questioning their value, never weighing them with your heart (the best guidance anyone ever has; your heart never lies, as the old adage goes), never looking for inherent contradictions within beliefs (always a dead giveaway as to a belief's true validity), never considering their full effects, never asking whether or not they bring you happiness or pain, and, taken to the ultimate extreme, an utter willingness to happily die for beliefs that aren't even a part of who you truly are.  So many Gods must be rolling over in their graves after reading some of this boards' content.

The resistance of so many to be willing to examine their beliefs, to change their beliefs, or even put them on hold while considering quite different beliefs is confounding to me at times.  Or, the strict adherence to beliefs that in many cases run contrary to the heart.  And the search for answers to and understanding of life and world events in the wrong places with the wrong questions being asked over and over and over again.

All the world's a stage.  Shakespeare hit it on the head when he coined that phrase.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Very well written and true we are infact a very dangerous creature and I doubt that is going to change. This is one area where history repeats itself over and over. Unfortuantely for a change to occur everyone must change, doubt that will ever happen, hasn't yet.

The one thing that has truly amazed me over the years is cruelty of man to man, not just in war but in everyday life. I know of people killed in a social settings because they didn't laugh at a joke. Doesn't take monetary gain for someone to be murdered. Yes indeed we are dangerous creatures.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Don't be so down-hearted, ray23. The ability to create is simply a double-edged sword, that's all. The world by and large experiences a vastly greater proportion of health and happiness than it does ill-being in any given moment. All you have to do is walk out into your favorite natural spot to remind yourself of that. Lighten up. The world isn't going to ###### any time soon, 55555555555!

And quit reading the daily papers as their number one product is bad news. They know ###### well what sells. Morbid curiosity is a curious thing.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Not down hearted at all my little slice of life is not like that at all, I very seldom read the papers. A retired cop from the L.A. area does see the worst of people through a career and at time the best as well.

I just recognize the part of life that I don't want and built my life here not to be involved in it anymore. Isn't Thialand a wondeful place where you can build the life you want for yourself and your loved ones.

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Well, ray23, I'm glad to hear somebody has got it figured out pretty well. What you're doing is exactly what I'm recommending for anyone else who'd like to enjoy life as it was meant to be enjoyed rather than continually, infinitely looking for and then finding fault, despair, hatred, misery, death, lying, cheating, stealing, stupidity, and everything and anything that produces only sadness and bad feelings.

For the life of me I can't figure out why so many people are so insistent that they must walk that road, as if they didn't have a choice!

"I just recognize the part of life that I don't want and built my life here not to be involved in it anymore."

Folks, reread that statement.

Ray23, I'm sure that as a retired cop you have definitely seen some of the nastier aspects of what human being can be. And I'll insist, whether folks understand or not, that's precisely what happens to one's life when your mind is continually in the gutter. Thoughts are alive and they do, they do create experience for you.

Anyone who wishes to seriously consider that precept you'll find the evidence everywhere. You don't need to look any further than your own personal experience. It contains all of the examples you could possibly ask for that show the connection between what you think and what your experience ends up to be.

That's why I do not recommend reading a daily paper on a regular basis. If anyone has ever noticed it's all about the same stuff day in and day out. The only thing that ever changes is the time, the place and the people.

Yes, I usually get incredulous responses from very intelligent people when they learn that I don't read the papers, nor watch the nightly news regularly. "That's wrong. How do you stay informed. Don't you care what happens in the world?" is the typical retort. Not that part. Why do I have to have that depressing &lt;deleted&gt; in my life everday? What does it do for me? Gets me peeved and depresesed is all. Why would I want to be peeved and depressed all the time? When I can be happy instead. And it's not at all harmless as one might think.

I've been living in Thailand now straight on for almost three years now. I have yet to have a single nasty experience such as the ones posted by so many people here at TV. Almost seems as though TV is a communication's tool between worlds; the world where Thailand sucks in every imaginable way and the world where Thailand is closer to paradise. And why that's the case is not a mystery to me at all.

I have great, the best attitudes about this country and it's people. I've been with the same girl here for 3-1/2 years. Met her 18 hours after I first stepped on Thai soil. We haven't had a single fight or argument in all that time. I promised her, and myself, that I would give her nothing but Thai happiness, ever. These are the attitudes I put out and that's exactly what comes back to me. Again, there's no mystery here. It's not a difficult thing to do. It's not beyond anyone's reach. Everyone has the power, the gift to make that choice for his/her self.

Folks, this may seem like I'm off the original topic here but not in the least. South Thailand is indeed a hotbed. But what to do about it? Don't hate.

I've not mentioned this until now but a good friend of ours, and the brother of a young girl whom we've been caring for the past two years, joined the Royal Thai Police Force, graduating last July. We attended his graduation, took him out to dinner and had a grand old party back at our place. This past March 6th he and a comrade were gunned down in an attack that represented the first of it's kind. Anyone watching the nightly news on March 12th might have caught some footage of the funeral since it was filmed by Channel 5 (or 7, can't recall now).

If anyone has reason to hate then I would moreso than most people here at TV. And yet I don't. Not in the least. I wish only for these misdirected people to find their true happiness, as I have. In the meanwhile our lives will not touch each other.

I'll offer my piece (peace) here. If some don't understand, or would insist on misinterpreting my offering, don't think for a minute I'm foolhardy enough to adopt emotions of death and despair so I can join the ranks of those who choose to be miserable. Life's too good. And it's up to each individual to make it that way for themselves. Don't expect happiness and good fortune and peace and love to come your way by getting the whole world to change. Or even your mate, your GF, your spouse, your boss, the people you connect with on a daily basis, or even the so-called strangers that populate the rest of the world. You'll be waiting an eternity. It is each individual's true responsibilty to change themselves. And to create a life that is representative of who you truly are. You teach by example, and not with rhetoric. Anyone who has kids is an expert on that subject.

Taxexile and Pattaya_Fox, truth be known I am living in the tulip fields and my rosy-colored glasses cast a most beautiful hue on the landscape. But it's all real. I created it. When you guys are willing to surrender your nightmares come on out. Nam Nao, jeez, I don't know what to say to you! Rambo on?

Edited April 7, 2005 by Tippaporn

[taxexile]

"I just recognize the part of life that I don't want and built my life here not to be involved in it anymore."

tippaporn , have you been watching the news over the past few days , probably not.

well let me fill you in on what i saw.

there was news footage from the arrivals hall camera of a little boy of about 7 or 8 , he was with his father in haatyai airport waiting for his mother to arrive on the flight from bkk ? or somewhere.

he was playing with a football when suddenly there was an almighty flash and the picture was lost.

next we saw the mother , distraught at the news of the death of her husband , blown to pieces and the news of the terrible injuries to her little boy , he had one eye blown out , his face was burnt , he lost his penis , his testicles and half his intestines and he is fighting for his life in icu. six years old.

this family were trying to build their lives in much the same way as you are , i'm sure they didnt want to be caught up in islamic terrorism either. they didnt want to be involved in it.

but they were.

maybe your beautiful tulip field will one day be the resting place for a plane load of victims a la lockerbie. and then you will be involved in it.

if the people who bombed haatyai had been caught and killed before they planted the bomb , then there would be a few more people trying to get on with their lives in the same way as you are.

the majority of law aboding citizens have the right to be protected from the minority who seek to ruin things .

if they wont stop after being asked nicely , then they must run the risk of being made to stop by whatever it takes to make life safe and orderly for people like you and me.

and dont preach to me about innocent people getting hurt , anyone who doesnt protest about the evils of terorism , is as guilty as those who carry out the acts.

the silence of muslims about all this , and not just in thailand , speaks volumes as to where their sympathies really lie.

so once again i urge thaksin to send in his hungriest , nastiest , most heartless bastards to do the job on our behalf. you certainly are not up to it , and i probably couldnt shoot someone either .

but i'm glad there are people who can. and someone with the guts to order them to do it.

society needs them. you need them , and so do i.

watch the news if you want to see what the alternative would be like.

Edited April 7, 2005 by taxexile

[penzman]

Sorry to dissapoint but there is no way to end the terror attacks unless WOMD are used.  The whole reason these extremists are doing what they are doing is because they want power, they want to control the world and have everyone follow thier religion, and there are potentially millions of extremists out there.

If a holy city was nuked, and threats were made that for every muslim attack there would be another nuclear bomb on a holy city they WILL get the message and back off.  Innocent people will die of course, but innocent people are dieing everywhere from terrorist attcks, wars, genocide.

The Americans have killed so many innocent people in Iraq they would have been better off nuking bagdad

Not that im for the use of WOMD - I was just stressing an observation

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I'll make an exception. I much prefer Bush or Thaksin in power over you.

[ray23]

"I just recognize the part of life that I don't want and built my life here not to be involved in it anymore."

tippaporn , have you been watching the news over the past few days , probably not.

well let me fill you in on what i saw.

there was news footage from the arrivals hall camera of a little boy of about 7 or 8 , he was with his father in haatyai airport waiting for his mother to arrive on the flight from bkk ? or somewhere.

he was playing with a football when suddenly there was an almighty flash and the picture was lost.

next we saw the mother , distraught at the news of the death of her husband , blown to pieces and the news of the terrible injuries to her little boy , he had one eye blown out , his face was burnt , he lost his penis , his testicles and half his intestines and he is fighting for his life in icu. six years old.

this family were trying to build their lives in much the same way as you are , i'm sure they didnt want to be caught up in islamic terrorism either. they didnt want to be involved in it.

but they were.

maybe your beautiful tulip field will one day be the resting place for a plane load of victims a la lockerbie. and then you will be involved in it.

if the people who bombed haatyai had been caught and killed before they planted the bomb , then there would be a few more people trying to get on with their lives in the same way as you are.

the majority of law aboding citizens have the right to be protected from the minority who seek to ruin things .

if they wont stop after being asked nicely , then they must run the risk of being made to stop by whatever it takes to make life safe and orderly for people like you and me.

and dont preach to me about innocent people getting hurt , anyone who doesnt protest about the evils of terorism , is as guilty as those who carry out the acts.

the silence of muslims about all this , and not just in thailand , speaks volumes as to where their sympathies really lie.

so once again i urge thaksin to send in his hungriest , nastiest , most heartless bastards to do the job on our behalf. you certainly are not up to it , and i probably couldnt shoot someone either .

but i'm glad there are people who can. and someone with the guts to order them to do it.

society needs them. you need them , and so do i.

watch the news if you want to see what the alternative would be like.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You know I had my turn in dealing with this type of thing, now someone much younger and well trained is being paid to handle the problems. When they have finished there watch someone younger and well trained will take thier place as well. They don't need my help or advice, there in the middle of it and know much more then I. I am very grateful that they are doing thier jobs, it allows me not to be involved and have my life as I want it.

I am very grateful to them

[Tippaporn]

"I just recognize the part of life that I don't want and built my life here not to be involved in it anymore."

tippaporn , have you been watching the news over the past few days , probably not.

well let me fill you in on what i saw.

there was news footage from the arrivals hall camera of a little boy of about 7 or 8 , he was with his father in haatyai airport waiting for his mother to arrive on the flight from bkk ? or somewhere.

he was playing with a football when suddenly there was an almighty flash and the picture was lost.

next we saw the mother , distraught at the news of the death of her husband , blown to pieces and the news of the terrible injuries to her little boy , he had one eye blown out , his face was burnt , he lost his penis , his testicles and half his intestines and he is fighting for his life in icu. six years old.

this family were trying to build their lives in much the same way as you are , i'm sure they didnt want to be caught up in islamic terrorism either. they didnt want to be involved in it.

but they were.

maybe your beautiful tulip field will one day be the resting place for a plane load of victims a la lockerbie. and then you will be involved in it.

if the people who bombed haatyai had been caught and killed before they planted the bomb , then there would be a few more people trying to get on with their lives in the same way as you are.

the majority of law aboding citizens have the right to be protected from the minority who seek to ruin things .

if they wont stop after being asked nicely , then they must run the risk of being made to stop by whatever it takes to make life safe and orderly for people like you and me.

and dont preach to me about innocent people getting hurt , anyone who doesnt protest about the evils of terorism , is as guilty as those who carry out the acts.

the silence of muslims about all this , and not just in thailand , speaks volumes as to where their sympathies really lie.

so once again i urge thaksin to send in his hungriest , nastiest , most heartless bastards to do the job on our behalf. you certainly are not up to it , and i probably couldnt shoot someone either .

but i'm glad there are people who can. and someone with the guts to order them to do it.

society needs them. you need them , and so do i.

watch the news if you want to see what the alternative would be like.

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Taxexile, I appreciate your responses. While you have very strong feelings about what the proper course of action should be in this scenario you don't rant mindlessly, nor do you ridicule. Your good character is as obvious as your sincerity as is your intelligence, also.

So I'll go a little deeper here. Let's start by making some fairly safe assumptions and build some bridges from there to other ideas. People do not know everything there is no know. That one's easy and I think most would agree with that statement. I'll throw in . . . about life and about who they are. Since most people have no recollection of where they were prior to birth and where they'll find themselves after death that does seem to leave a lot of unknown.

Let's stretch the mental fabric just slightly now. People hold quite a few misconceptions about life. Well, that one's fairly easy, too. Thumb through the annals of history and you'll notice how thought continually evolves through the ages. I'm sure that you can think of many instances where man had thought he had things figured correctly only to find he was in total error. The world was once flat many ages ago. That might be one of the more striking examples.

I think it would be fairly safe to assume that even in this day and age man thinks he has the world figured out but still has many ideas quite backwards. Are you in agreement so far? I think so.

Now a little explanation. Everyone has put the so-called facts of the world together in their own unique way. These 'facts' have come by way of parents, teachers, family, friends, scholars, etc. Think of it as hand-me-down knowledge. There are no two world views which are completely identical. We're like snowflakes, if you will.

Some 'facts' we are in universal agreement with. No one disputes the existence of gravity, for instance. And since we're in total agreement of that fact we each experience gravity in the same way. Other 'facts' we are more or less in agreement with. Consider those with which a majority of the world's population is in agreement with as our current mass beliefs. An example, and one that applies here especially: people do not have control in every facet of their lives.

Beyond that you'll find infinite variations of what man believes. Travel the world, which you've obviously done, and you'll notice that as you go from culture to culture even mass beliefs can change considerably. Different cultures are like microcosms of different belief systems. And despite some of the rather stark differences the world still rather smoothly operates as a whole.

A little more explanation. Human beings are rational creatures. In fact, I'll say that as humans we must rationalize everything. And rationality is logic-based. Therefore, no matter what an individuals private belief system may be it has an overall logic to it. Logic that may not be perceptible to another, but it most certainly is perceptible to the one who created it. In everyone's system of beliefs there exist gaps in the logic. For instance, the old adage, "What's good for the goose is good for the gander," refers to a person adopting on set of beliefs in one instance and a completely and seemingly contrary one in another instance.

Now, here's the crux as I take this further. Once a person has put his set of ideas together and, importantly, drawn his/her own conclusions he has more or less reached a state of conviction regarding a group of ideas. And once he has convinced himself of something it is very difficult for another to try to change that conviction. Another's reasoning doesn't necessarily work because his conviction already stands on it's own supportive reasoning. Ideas are no ideas no longer, they are 'fact.' And as such they have earned an indisputable status. It would require very hard evidence, indeed, to change these 'facts' back to mere ideas.

So you can now at least understand why you, for instance, are having an extremely hard time 'hearing' anything I say. You take my ideas, check to see how they fit into your belief system, find initially that there's no fit and very quickly discard the idea into the trash heap of all other existing ideas which you have not adopted. You may do the same to me as you have done with my idea, brushing me off then as, say, a crack pot, then refusing to grant me any further validity whatsoever. (Just an example, and not implying you have done this . . . yet.)

Now, some ideas seem to have no physical evidence to support them. It gets escpecially tricky here since no one can come up with in-the-hand proof. Take death, for example. We all die (or rather we all leave this little haven for another little haven). Nobody knows for certain what it's all about. Do we simply disappear, our existences completely extinguished for all eternity? Do we really go to heaven (or ######, where I believe most farang in Thailand will end up at, 555555555)? Do we reincarnate, as the Buddhists believe? Everyone has their own idea about death. Many have their convictions about death.

Back to our assumptions. Since we obviously don't have this world figured out yet, and since we more than likely have our share of misconceptions about what this world is really about, and it's workings, and we know relatively little about who we really are, then it stands to reason that perhaps the truth might be a little shocking. Shocking because, since beliefs are not solitary entities but rather beliefs built around beliefs which in turn are built around more beliefs, etc., interconnected in a miraculous fashion, changing one very crucial belief might warrant an extreme rebuilding of one's entire belief structure. Not a very pleasant option for most. (In which case it then seems far easier to get everyone else to change.)

Again, beliefs and ideas are not static and inert. They create in this pyshical world of ours. That being the case they become highly important. If ideas and beliefs are the building blocks of experience then certainly it would be wise to take great care and be discriminating when picking and choosing. There, that's a revolutionary idea, isn't it. Can you fathom the far reaching effects that solitary idea would have on your entire belief system? The inner changes that would need occur to fully incorporate that concept into your life?

Now, no one will ever be able to supply you with physical evidence of it's truth. But you can prove it to yourself. Not only is there ample evidence everywhere but you can 'play' with the concept and test it out for yourself. Once you've proven it to yourself, and you know that it works, your life will never again be the same. You couldn't go back even if you wanted to.

So, Taxexile, what are your ideas about death? About life? Is there more to you than what you can see in the mirror? To what degree do you feel you have control over your life? Can others create for you? To what degree do you have freedom? Do you believe yourself to be a victim? Are you a leaf blowing aimlessly in the wind? Why are you in this world? What's it's purpose? What's the goal of life? Does innocence really exist? Or is it simply a well-fabricated illusion? Where does life come from? Where does it go? What force is it that supports the daily creation of this world? Is it God? And if it is who or what is God? Are you a creator or just the creation? What is happiness? Sadness? Fear? Emotions? Where do emotions come from? Why do we have them and what's their purpose? Likewise, imagination? What is imagination? Is imagination nothing more than idle musings or does it in fact have power? Do we come back to this world? Are there more worlds than this one? Are there more Gods?

And what does all of this have to do with the topic at hand? You're personal beliefs have everything to do with your understanding of the events in south Thailand, and how you fit into it personally, and what your reactions to it will be. And so it is for all of us. Individual reactions will be as different and varied as the individual beliefs we each hold, with the reactions dependent on those beliefs.

My reactions are much different than yours because I know differently than you do. I know better than to kill people. I've learned that much. And it's due not so much to a trade off of beliefs as it is to an expansion of ideas. I've stood where you stand now. You have not yet stood where I stand. I'm aware of the importance of living a happy life. I'm aware of it's effects on those who are in closest proximity to me. My family, my friends, my loved ones, my associates, and even each and every 'stranger' I meet. I do that for me and for them. I do that for south Thailand, also.

Current mass beliefs contain some very backwards ideas. Ideas that have no real truth. Until that changes the world by and large will remain much the same. Seek to change your personal world through changing your own ideas and let it be a reflection of your true self. Seek happiness and you will have much to give to the world. In pain you have only pain to give.

[Pattaya_Fox]

MCOT.ORG

MORE VIOLENCE IN THE SOUTH.

Pattani. Apr 7....There has been more violence in Thailand`s southern border provinces. In one of the latest attacks, suspected militants ambushed a hospital worker in Pattani province.

Thanapoj Lertkornsan, a temporary worker at Pattani hospital, narrowly escaped death when unidentified gunmen on a motorbike opened fire on him as he was travelling to work on Thursday morning.

The bullets missed him, but he was hurt as he fell off his motorcycle.

The police are continuing to investigate the incident and are yet to determine whether it is related to the violent unrest in the south.

Several violent incidents also took place on Wednesday night in Pattani province as suspected militants continued to try to create further unrest.

Books and some documents were burnt during an arsonist attack on a school. However, villagers managed to put the fire out before it spread.

In Saburi district, four hooded men raided the home of a defence volunteer in search of guns...Their attack failed as the volunteer had left the house with his gun.

In two other incidents a fake bomb was found near a police station and spikes were found on a nearby road.

This is believed to be an attempt by the insurgents to prevent the police following them..

[sendbaht]

I like your posts Darkling!

Edited April 7, 2005 by sendbaht

[Nam Kao]

Wait til they start kidnapping foreigners and the ensuing chop chop videos

[sonthaya]

If these people want a separate State, then let them have it. See how they cope in generating their own fuel supplies, water, transport infrastructure, schools, trade agreements with the rest of the world, their own phone and postal systems, their own airline, their own factories, providing enough food for their mini-nation etc etc etc.

See how they cope with their independence and how long it is before they come calling for help.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You are right on there, perhaps they expect some help from Allah

[thaibebop]

It might be a little off-track, but since there have been a couple of references to two-term Presidents.....

Isn't it odd that in a country that claims to be the world's greatest democracy (the USA, in case you were wondering!!), their citizens are denied the right to vote for who they want.

I'm thinking back to Clinton, who I believe had a popularity rating somewhere in the 80's at the time he was not allowed to stand for a third term. Why not? Can some American enlighten me? He would clearly have had an excellent chance of winning again.

In Britain the same person can stand indefinitely (Thatcher, now Blair), and if the people don't want that person they are voted out. But at least the people get their say.

Having said that, though, Thatcher was then eventually thrown out by her own party.....

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Our President FDR had four term in a row, Americans thought that too close to a life time job and passed an amendment to limit it to two consecutive terms. Clinton could run again right now and be pres again.

[thaibebop]

"I just recognize the part of life that I don't want and built my life here not to be involved in it anymore."

tippaporn , have you been watching the news over the past few days , probably not.

well let me fill you in on what i saw.

there was news footage from the arrivals hall camera of a little boy of about 7 or 8 , he was with his father in haatyai airport waiting for his mother to arrive on the flight from bkk ? or somewhere.

he was playing with a football when suddenly there was an almighty flash and the picture was lost.

next we saw the mother , distraught at the news of the death of her husband , blown to pieces and the news of the terrible injuries to her little boy , he had one eye blown out , his face was burnt , he lost his penis , his testicles and half his intestines and he is fighting for his life in icu. six years old.

this family were trying to build their lives in much the same way as you are , i'm sure they didnt want to be caught up in islamic terrorism either. they didnt want to be involved in it.

but they were.

maybe your beautiful tulip field will one day be the resting place for a plane load of victims a la lockerbie. and then you will be involved in it.

if the people who bombed haatyai had been caught and killed before they planted the bomb , then there would be a few more people trying to get on with their lives in the same way as you are.

the majority of law aboding citizens have the right to be protected from the minority who seek to ruin things .

if they wont stop after being asked nicely , then they must run the risk of being made to stop by whatever it takes to make life safe and orderly for people like you and me.

and dont preach to me about innocent people getting hurt , anyone who doesnt protest about the evils of terorism , is as guilty as those who carry out the acts.

the silence of muslims about all this , and not just in thailand , speaks volumes as to where their sympathies really lie.

so once again i urge thaksin to send in his hungriest , nastiest , most heartless bastards to do the job on our behalf. you certainly are not up to it , and i probably couldnt shoot someone either .

but i'm glad there are people who can. and someone with the guts to order them to do it.

society needs them. you need them , and so do i.

watch the news if you want to see what the alternative would be like.

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Taxexile, I appreciate your responses. While you have very strong feelings about what the proper course of action should be in this scenario you don't rant mindlessly, nor do you ridicule. Your good character is as obvious as your sincerity as is your intelligence, also.

So I'll go a little deeper here. Let's start by making some fairly safe assumptions and build some bridges from there to other ideas. People do not know everything there is no know. That one's easy and I think most would agree with that statement. I'll throw in . . . about life and about who they are. Since most people have no recollection of where they were prior to birth and where they'll find themselves after death that does seem to leave a lot of unknown.

Let's stretch the mental fabric just slightly now. People hold quite a few misconceptions about life. Well, that one's fairly easy, too. Thumb through the annals of history and you'll notice how thought continually evolves through the ages. I'm sure that you can think of many instances where man had thought he had things figured correctly only to find he was in total error. The world was once flat many ages ago. That might be one of the more striking examples.

I think it would be fairly safe to assume that even in this day and age man thinks he has the world figured out but still has many ideas quite backwards. Are you in agreement so far? I think so.

Now a little explanation. Everyone has put the so-called facts of the world together in their own unique way. These 'facts' have come by way of parents, teachers, family, friends, scholars, etc. Think of it as hand-me-down knowledge. There are no two world views which are completely identical. We're like snowflakes, if you will.

Some 'facts' we are in universal agreement with. No one disputes the existence of gravity, for instance. And since we're in total agreement of that fact we each experience gravity in the same way. Other 'facts' we are more or less in agreement with. Consider those with which a majority of the world's population is in agreement with as our current mass beliefs. An example, and one that applies here especially: people do not have control in every facet of their lives.

Beyond that you'll find infinite variations of what man believes. Travel the world, which you've obviously done, and you'll notice that as you go from culture to culture even mass beliefs can change considerably. Different cultures are like microcosms of different belief systems. And despite some of the rather stark differences the world still rather smoothly operates as a whole.

A little more explanation. Human beings are rational creatures. In fact, I'll say that as humans we must rationalize everything. And rationality is logic-based. Therefore, no matter what an individuals private belief system may be it has an overall logic to it. Logic that may not be perceptible to another, but it most certainly is perceptible to the one who created it. In everyone's system of beliefs there exist gaps in the logic. For instance, the old adage, "What's good for the goose is good for the gander," refers to a person adopting on set of beliefs in one instance and a completely and seemingly contrary one in another instance.

Now, here's the crux as I take this further. Once a person has put his set of ideas together and, importantly, drawn his/her own conclusions he has more or less reached a state of conviction regarding a group of ideas. And once he has convinced himself of something it is very difficult for another to try to change that conviction. Another's reasoning doesn't necessarily work because his conviction already stands on it's own supportive reasoning. Ideas are no ideas no longer, they are 'fact.' And as such they have earned an indisputable status. It would require very hard evidence, indeed, to change these 'facts' back to mere ideas.

So you can now at least understand why you, for instance, are having an extremely hard time 'hearing' anything I say. You take my ideas, check to see how they fit into your belief system, find initially that there's no fit and very quickly discard the idea into the trash heap of all other existing ideas which you have not adopted. You may do the same to me as you have done with my idea, brushing me off then as, say, a crack pot, then refusing to grant me any further validity whatsoever. (Just an example, and not implying you have done this . . . yet.)

Now, some ideas seem to have no physical evidence to support them. It gets escpecially tricky here since no one can come up with in-the-hand proof. Take death, for example. We all die (or rather we all leave this little haven for another little haven). Nobody knows for certain what it's all about. Do we simply disappear, our existences completely extinguished for all eternity? Do we really go to heaven (or ######, where I believe most farang in Thailand will end up at, 555555555)? Do we reincarnate, as the Buddhists believe? Everyone has their own idea about death. Many have their convictions about death.

Back to our assumptions. Since we obviously don't have this world figured out yet, and since we more than likely have our share of misconceptions about what this world is really about, and it's workings, and we know relatively little about who we really are, then it stands to reason that perhaps the truth might be a little shocking. Shocking because, since beliefs are not solitary entities but rather beliefs built around beliefs which in turn are built around more beliefs, etc., interconnected in a miraculous fashion, changing one very crucial belief might warrant an extreme rebuilding of one's entire belief structure. Not a very pleasant option for most. (In which case it then seems far easier to get everyone else to change.)

Again, beliefs and ideas are not static and inert. They create in this pyshical world of ours. That being the case they become highly important. If ideas and beliefs are the building blocks of experience then certainly it would be wise to take great care and be discriminating when picking and choosing. There, that's a revolutionary idea, isn't it. Can you fathom the far reaching effects that solitary idea would have on your entire belief system? The inner changes that would need occur to fully incorporate that concept into your life?

Now, no one will ever be able to supply you with physical evidence of it's truth. But you can prove it to yourself. Not only is there ample evidence everywhere but you can 'play' with the concept and test it out for yourself. Once you've proven it to yourself, and you know that it works, your life will never again be the same. You couldn't go back even if you wanted to.

So, Taxexile, what are your ideas about death? About life? Is there more to you than what you can see in the mirror? To what degree do you feel you have control over your life? Can others create for you? To what degree do you have freedom? Do you believe yourself to be a victim? Are you a leaf blowing aimlessly in the wind? Why are you in this world? What's it's purpose? What's the goal of life? Does innocence really exist? Or is it simply a well-fabricated illusion? Where does life come from? Where does it go? What force is it that supports the daily creation of this world? Is it God? And if it is who or what is God? Are you a creator or just the creation? What is happiness? Sadness? Fear? Emotions? Where do emotions come from? Why do we have them and what's their purpose? Likewise, imagination? What is imagination? Is imagination nothing more than idle musings or does it in fact have power? Do we come back to this world? Are there more worlds than this one? Are there more Gods?

And what does all of this have to do with the topic at hand? You're personal beliefs have everything to do with your understanding of the events in south Thailand, and how you fit into it personally, and what your reactions to it will be. And so it is for all of us. Individual reactions will be as different and varied as the individual beliefs we each hold, with the reactions dependent on those beliefs.

My reactions are much different than yours because I know differently than you do. I know better than to kill people. I've learned that much. And it's due not so much to a trade off of beliefs as it is to an expansion of ideas. I've stood where you stand now. You have not yet stood where I stand. I'm aware of the importance of living a happy life. I'm aware of it's effects on those who are in closest proximity to me. My family, my friends, my loved ones, my associates, and even each and every 'stranger' I meet. I do that for me and for them. I do that for south Thailand, also.

Current mass beliefs contain some very backwards ideas. Ideas that have no real truth. Until that changes the world by and large will remain much the same. Seek to change your personal world through changing your own ideas and let it be a reflection of your true self. Seek happiness and you will have much to give to the world. In pain you have only pain to give.

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You yak too much. What the ###### does anything you have been saying have anyhting to do with the topic at hand? Ever heard of Ockham's Razor (one should not make more assumptions than needed)?

So, much of what you've been typing out is philosophies on life, death, reincarnation, and happy fuzz feelings we can all achieve by blocking out the truths we don't want. You're worse the Shirley McClaine. You want to know what the world works, take a Physics class.

So, no more rambling on about life in overgeneralized terms, let us stick with the topic at hand. You need an exmaple to focus on. Say you're in a lunchroom and some people have decided, without speaking to you, that they are going to have a food fight. How are you going to stop them? You can't. They'll throw food and no matter how much you scream and yell, if everybody else is having fun they won't listen to you. So, you can physically try to stop them, which we all know you don't want to do, or, you can walk out of the room, which means you won't get involed but the food fight goes on. However, if you stay in the lunchroom with food flying about someone at somepoint is going to hit you. If they want to cover you in food, they will. So, even though you are not throwing food, you'll still get dirty. Perhaps, you should leave, or make the dirt count for something.

Sir Newton's First Law of Motion states that; If the net force exerted on an object is zero, the object continues in its original state of motion. Some people have decided to walk a path of violence against defendless people. Metaphorically speaking this is an "object" in motion. To stop said "object" a separate force must act upon the "object". What kind of force this should be is the topic.

So, you can not get involed and wait for the food to hit you, you can trick yourself into believeing that keeping your mind focused on happy things will some how help, but the truth is that some force must be brought in to act upon the moving "object".

By the way, trying to focus on happy thoughts shows just as much mental weakness as focusing on the bad thoughts. Instead look to the facts that surround you and the truth of how you do or can fit in. The mind should be clear and acting with wisdom gained by the facts of the situation. No mind is a good mind.

[maerim]

unless WOMD are used

Not that im for the use of WOMD

Thats what I like about you your consistency, on second thoughts there is nothing I like about you.

Do you also believe that there are too many people in the world?

If so how about you volunteering to reuduce the number by at least one?

[sriracha john]

If these people want a separate State, then let them have it. See how they cope in generating their own fuel supplies, water, transport infrastructure, schools, trade agreements with the rest of the world, their own phone and postal systems, their own airline, their own factories, providing enough food for their mini-nation etc etc etc.

See how they cope with their independence and how long it is before they come calling for help.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You are right on there, perhaps they expect some help from Allah

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You fail to understand the bonds that Muslim-centered countries have for one another. IF they were ever granted a separate homeland, money from many of these oil-rich Muslim countries would pour in, to say nothing of the funds the U.N. would contribute. They would have no difficulty setting up their own country or in actuality, reset up their own country that they had before.

[sriracha john]

Published on April 08, 2005

Bomb found in Hat Yai; 9 attacks in Pattani

Interior Minister Police General Chidchai Vanasatidya yesterday asked department stores, cinemas and petrol stations in Bangkok to step up security, urging them to install security cameras in the aftermath of Sunday’s bombings in Songkhla.

Chidchai asked the businesses to bolster security measures to the same level applied in other countries and maintain them. “Most department stores and movie theatres have lax security measures. For example, they monitor only the inside of the store, but not the car park,” he said.

Closer cooperation with police was also urged.

Meanwhile in Songkhla, a security source said a road sweeper had found a bomb left inside a garbage bin near the entrance to a major department store in Hat Yai at 9pm on Wednesday.

The source said bomb disposal police managed to defuse it, but the authorities decided not to publicise the disturbing discovery for fears of creating panic.

Asked about the bomb, Hat Yai police chief Colonel Supitsilp Issarangul and Songkhla police chief Maj-General Surapol Thongprasert said they had not received any reports about the discovery of the bomb in Hat Yai. Hat Yai Mayor Prai Pattano said he also had heard nothing.

Colonel Somsak Wannawak, commander of Sai Buri district police station in Pattani, said insurgents attacked nine different locations throughout the district on Wednesday night. Most of the attacks were small, involving the burning of tyres and felling trees to block roads, he said.

In the most severe attack, an unknown number of insurgents set fire to Ban Jake School in Tambon Paen, but villagers quickly extinguished the fire, which caused only minor damage to a building, said Somsak.

In another incident, a group of men tried to steal a shotgun from a defence volunteer’s house in Tambon Buarae, but the volunteer returned home while the would-be thieves were inside and the men fled before they managed to get

the firearm.

Also in Pattani, an employee of Pattani Hospital, Thanapoj Lertpornsarn, 36, narrowly escaped a hit-and-run attempt by two insurgents on a motorcycle, said Colonel Suwit Choensiri, commander of Nong Chik police station.

Suwit quoted Thanapoj as saying that as he was riding his motorcycle to work yesterday morning, he noticed a man on an approaching motorcycle aiming a gun at him, so he swerved abruptly to avoid being shot.

Thanapoj said he fell off his motorcycle and the two men sped off, adding that he heard three shots fired.

Edited April 8, 2005 by sriracha john

[taxexile]

tippaporn , thaibebop has answered your post , more than adequately , on my behalf.

sriracha john

You fail to understand the bonds that Muslim-centered countries have for one another. IF they were ever granted a separate homeland, money from many of these oil-rich Muslim countries would pour in, to say nothing of the funds the U.N. would contribute. They would have no difficulty setting up their own country or in actuality, reset up their own country that they had before.

not in the case of palestine , not even from day 1.

they have been left to rot. had they received decent financial help to improve their lot then the situation there might be much better , leaving them as political pawns with nothing more to lose has just made things worse.

the only money they get is from terrorist backed organisations to use for terrorist acts.

[hopeless]

unless WOMD are used

Not that im for the use of WOMD

Thats what I like about you your consistency, on second thoughts there is nothing I like about you.

Do you also believe that there are too many people in the world?

If so how about you volunteering to reuduce the number by at least one?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Sure, how would you like to die?

Dont take things too seriously - the muslims will back off if there was a nuclear bomb and threats of more nuclear attacks. I am not saying its the right idea, but it would work, I can guarentee you these attacks will not stop in our lifetime

But please, chill out, your either American or Muslim, which is it then?

[sriracha john]

tippaporn , thaibebop has answered your post , more than adequately , on my behalf.

sriracha john

You fail to understand the bonds that Muslim-centered countries have for one another. IF they were ever granted a separate homeland, money from many of these oil-rich Muslim countries would pour in, to say nothing of the funds the U.N. would contribute. They would have no difficulty setting up their own country or in actuality, reset up their own country that they had before.

not in the case of palestine , not even from day 1.

they have been left to rot. had they received decent financial help to improve their lot then the situation there might be much better , leaving them as political pawns with nothing more to lose has just made things worse.

the only money they get is from terrorist backed organisations to use for terrorist acts.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I agree that in that particular instance they didn't/haven't provided the necessary support, but their situation was quite unique and as this is out of the Middle East and with a non-nuclear neighbor, I believe the response would be quite different.

[marios]

tippaporn , thaibebop has answered your post , more than adequately , on my behalf.

sriracha john

You fail to understand the bonds that Muslim-centered countries have for one another. IF they were ever granted a separate homeland, money from many of these oil-rich Muslim countries would pour in, to say nothing of the funds the U.N. would contribute. They would have no difficulty setting up their own country or in actuality, reset up their own country that they had before.

not in the case of palestine , not even from day 1.

they have been left to rot. had they received decent financial help to improve their lot then the situation there might be much better , leaving them as political pawns with nothing more to lose has just made things worse.

the only money they get is from terrorist backed organisations to use for terrorist acts.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I agree that in that particular instance they didn't/haven't provided the necessary support, but their situation was quite unique and as this is out of the Middle East and with a non-nuclear neighbor, I believe the response would be quite different.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

[thaibebop]

unless WOMD are used

Not that im for the use of WOMD

Thats what I like about you your consistency, on second thoughts there is nothing I like about you.

Do you also believe that there are too many people in the world?

If so how about you volunteering to reuduce the number by at least one?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Sure, how would you like to die?

Dont take things too seriously - the muslims will back off if there was a nuclear bomb and threats of more nuclear attacks. I am not saying its the right idea, but it would work, I can guarentee you these attacks will not stop in our lifetime

But please, chill out, your either American or Muslim, which is it then?

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Ouch! That's harsh hopeless. Americans love nukes we're are after all the only ones to use them.

[taxexile]

You fail to understand the bonds that Muslim-centered countries have for one another.

only when it suits them to.

they are also very quick to kick the sh1t out of each other when it suits them.

[thaibebop]

You fail to understand the bonds that Muslim-centered countries have for one another.

only when it suits them to.

they are also very quick to kick the sh1t out of each other when it suits them.

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It always suits them when money is involed. I get a kick outta these rich Muslims who get the poor Muslims all jack up for a fight (Bin Laden) you know someone is makeing dough off this. There is only two ways to deal with them: One is to fight fire with fire, in the short term. Two, for the long term, get these poor people some money. They'll think twice about starting crap when they have something to lose. That's why in the case of Palastine nobody is helping. The Saudi's don't want to lose money.

[Tippaporn]

You yak too much. What the ###### does anything you have been saying have anyhting to do with the topic at hand? Ever heard of Ockham's Razor (one should not make more assumptions than needed)?

So, much of what you've been typing out is philosophies on life, death, reincarnation, and happy fuzz feelings we can all achieve by blocking out the truths we don't want. You're worse the Shirley McClaine. You want to know what the world works, take a Physics class.

So, no more rambling on about life in overgeneralized terms, let us stick with the topic at hand.  You need an exmaple to focus on. Say you're in a lunchroom and some people have decided, without speaking to you, that they are going to have a food fight. How are you going to stop them? You can't. They'll throw food and no matter how much you scream and yell, if everybody else is having fun they won't listen to you. So, you can physically try to stop them, which we all know you don't want to do, or, you can walk out of the room, which means you won't get involed but the food fight goes on. However, if you stay in the lunchroom with food flying about someone at somepoint is going to hit you. If they want to cover you in food, they will. So, even though you are not throwing food, you'll still get dirty. Perhaps, you should leave, or make the dirt count for something.

Sir Newton's First Law of Motion states that; If the net force exerted on an object is zero, the object continues in its original state of motion. Some people have decided to walk a path of violence against defendless people. Metaphorically speaking this is an "object" in motion. To stop said "object" a separate force must act upon the "object". What kind of force this should be is the topic.

So, you can not get involed and wait for the food to hit you, you can trick yourself into believeing that keeping your mind focused on happy things will some how help, but the truth is that some force must be brought in to act upon the moving "object".

By the way, trying to focus on happy thoughts shows just as much mental weakness as focusing on the bad thoughts. Instead look to the facts that surround you and the truth of how you do or can fit in. The mind should be clear and acting with wisdom gained by the facts of the situation. No mind is a good mind.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

tippaporn , thaibebop has answered your post , more than adequately , on my behalf.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Here I go again . . .

Physics will teach you that everything is composed of energy. Everything. That includes thought. We, as humans, direct our thoughts to whatever we like. In that sense we direct energy.

We have total freedom to think whatever we like. No one, and that includes God, or whatever label you wish to apply to that concept. Since thought is energy, and we direct that energy, and no one can direct that energy for us the all important conclusion is that we are absolutely FREE.

And since no one can think for you then another all important conclusion is that no one can create for you or within your experience.

And since no one can think for you, or create for you, and you are absolutely free then the all important conclusion is that you have full responsibility for your life. Whatever happens to you is your creation to begin with.

And since you create your life in it's entirety then the all import conclusion is that you have absolute control of your life. If you don't like it you can change it. If you like it you can continue to create more of it.

This is an attraction-based universe. Like attracts like. Like thoughts attract like thoughts. And so, the conclusion here is that people with like thoughts attract other people with like thoughts into their experience. Let the interactions begin!

Since people have choosen their thoughts (beliefs, which are patternized, habitual thinking) indiscriminantly throughout their lifetimes, are unaware that their thoughts are energy which they mold into their own experience, are by and large unaware of all that they create, and are unaware that like attracts like then the obvious conclusion is that people are usually at a loss to explain events not only from their own personal experiences but events in which a great deal of people are involved (mass events). Not only are they at a loss to explain the event, they are at a loss as to what the appropriate action/reaction should be.

Thought is energy which creates experience, people think, people create experience, no one can think for you, no one can create for you, like attracts like. That's how the world works in a nutshell.

If you consider those 'theories' for more than a nanosecond, which is what most here tend to do, not only will you find all the supportive evidence that would prove those theories out, your current ideas would expand in ways you can't even comprehend from your current perspective.

How this works in thaibebops lunchroom food fight example is as follows (and let's consider this a malicious food fight and not one in fun): In a room filled with free-thinking people, each thinking their own personal thoughts (by the way, you hold an internal dialogue with yourself in every waking moment which you never ever turn off as long as you are awake and focused here) someone decides to throw food. Each person's beliefs will involve them to one extent or another.

It wouldn't be too hard to figure out what thoughts would cause a person to return the fire, and there would be quite a few flashing across the mind's screen in seemingly instantaneous fashion. But what of the poor, 'innoncent' person sitting there minding his or her own business when a pie hits them smack in the face? The thoughts that would be necessary for this person's participation are not quite as evident.

What is not understood is that the relationship between aggressor/victim is bound by similar thoughts. Hatred and fear are intertwined. How each individual processes their hatred is strictly individualistic. Some may choose to 'act out' their hatred, in which case they become the aggressor. Since it takes two to tango they need a 'willing' partner, who more than likely is an unwitting partner. Unwitting in the sense that this particular partner feels hatred also, but since their beliefs are different they may choose to take their hatred produced fear no further than merely imaginatively (imagination uses thought, too) entertaining unwanted consequences.

Let's say they he or she projects those fears into imaginative scenes where someone else is getting what they want, which is opposite of what they want, while feeling completely powerless over their life's experience, and feeling less powerful than the other. Those seemingly harmless imaginings will more than likely play out in scenes wherein this person is victimized. And since thoughts seek their own expression it may only be a matter of time before those thoughts fruition into experiential reality. That person unwittingly places himself or herself in the position of being ripe for the experience of being a victim. Whether it be getting struck by a food projectile, a car accident, an illness, or any other unwanted experience. The precise type of experience, though, will also be determined by that person's particular belief system. It will all fall in line.

Now, take another person present in the lunchroom who also is simply minding his or her own business. This person is a relatively happy person who feels very little hatred and thus very little fear. They also have the understanding that they create their own life and feel very much in control over the direction of their experience. Their thoughts and imagination are not at all in line with the surrounding events. Since this is an attraction-based universe, and since the law of attraction is completely and utterly and absolutely consisent in every single case then this person would not be affected in any way whatsoever by the turmoil surrounding them, other than merely being a witness to the events. The fact that their beliefs are not alike removes the possiblity of getting struck by food, or getting sucked into the situation in any other ways that would be in direct contradiction to the thoughts and beliefs they generally entertain.

Most people do NOT believe they have control over their lives. And so the idea that anything can happen to anyone at any given time is very much alive and at work in the mass pysche of this world. Most have no idea how pervasive that single idea is and to what extent that it, again, unwittingly plays out in one's private experience, let alone an awareness of it.

The fallout of that single belief is so much of the blame that exists, which manifests itself in countless ugly ways, so much of the uncontrollable hatred and fear that exists within people, which manifests itself into so many aggressor/victim relationships, so many of the power struggles, which are always attempts to control others as a method of being in control (which is not only the wrong way to go about bringing control to yourself but absolutely impossible to sustain with lasting effects).

It's so strange. Everyone wants freedom. Everyone wants their dreams to come true. Tell people that they have this power, that it is in fact inherent in the race of man, that it is in fact a gift to man, and people will spit in your face for simply making the suggestion. Worse case scenario is that you literaly get crucified, which has happened in the past for crimes of 'heresy,' to which I will admit full guilt.

Understand that throughout my writings I have simplified much. And that I have not made mention of many other concepts which would be a prerequisite for further understanding. I fully understand that I have left many gaps in the explanation of this knowledge. Be aware that new knowledge will initially produce more questions than answers. But don't let that stop you from further exploration. So much of what people think they know is the very thing that blinds them to the things they don't know.

So many here think that I am professing to ignore the 'real' world and thereby live in some fun-filled fantasy world that has no concrete reality. There are a hundred different responses I could make for that but I'll choose the one that tells you how absolutely clueless you are to what I am all about. By the way, nor am I about religion. Religion is for the blind. Not that I mean to trash any religion by that statement. Nor do I subscribe to any of the many 'positive thinking' ideologies since they more often than not gloss over the negatives.

The gift of thought is not free, folks. It bears a considerable price; or a very handsome reward. Taxexile, trade in your newspapers for the many volumes of fine books available which would do much better service to the state of your mind.

Why am I writing all of this? Anyone ever read Johnathan Livingston Seagull? If not, then it is my attempt to return the gift of the true power which lies in each and every blessed person in this world to anyone who's interested. The power which makes for happines, success, peace, love, appreciation, well-being, health, caring, the fulfillment of personal dreams, harmony, gratitude, and utter respect for all of life in all of it's forms.

What does this have to do with the topic at hand? South Thailand is quickly turning into a powder keg. It pains a great deal of people. And many people are unwittingly attempting to increase that pain exponentially by throwing more fuel on the fire. For anyone who truly, truly believes that their hatred and fear will bring them what they want they are sorely, painfully mistaken. At a juncture such as this understanding is needed a great deal more than action.

[bkkexplorer]

THE ANSWER IN THAILAND IS VERY EASY KICK ALL THE MUSLIMS OUT OF THAILAND .THEY ARE THE MOST CRAZIEST SMELLIEST PEOPLE IN THE WORKD

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Wow, what a great idea. While we're at it, why don't we just get rid of ALL the muslims worldwide??

I know BUSH got YOUR vote...

[bkkexplorer]

Hmmm not a success - 2 term yank presidents are rare. Obviously he is doing smth right!!!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yes, he is doing something right. Making $$$ for the people around him that is...

[Pattaya_Fox]

You yak too much. What the ###### does anything you have been saying have anyhting to do with the topic at hand? Ever heard of Ockham's Razor (one should not make more assumptions than needed)?

So, much of what you've been typing out is philosophies on life, death, reincarnation, and happy fuzz feelings we can all achieve by blocking out the truths we don't want. You're worse the Shirley McClaine. You want to know what the world works, take a Physics class.

So, no more rambling on about life in overgeneralized terms, let us stick with the topic at hand.  You need an exmaple to focus on. Say you're in a lunchroom and some people have decided, without speaking to you, that they are going to have a food fight. How are you going to stop them? You can't. They'll throw food and no matter how much you scream and yell, if everybody else is having fun they won't listen to you. So, you can physically try to stop them, which we all know you don't want to do, or, you can walk out of the room, which means you won't get involed but the food fight goes on. However, if you stay in the lunchroom with food flying about someone at somepoint is going to hit you. If they want to cover you in food, they will. So, even though you are not throwing food, you'll still get dirty. Perhaps, you should leave, or make the dirt count for something.

Sir Newton's First Law of Motion states that; If the net force exerted on an object is zero, the object continues in its original state of motion. Some people have decided to walk a path of violence against defendless people. Metaphorically speaking this is an "object" in motion. To stop said "object" a separate force must act upon the "object". What kind of force this should be is the topic.

So, you can not get involed and wait for the food to hit you, you can trick yourself into believeing that keeping your mind focused on happy things will some how help, but the truth is that some force must be brought in to act upon the moving "object".

By the way, trying to focus on happy thoughts shows just as much mental weakness as focusing on the bad thoughts. Instead look to the facts that surround you and the truth of how you do or can fit in. The mind should be clear and acting with wisdom gained by the facts of the situation. No mind is a good mind.

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tippaporn , thaibebop has answered your post , more than adequately , on my behalf.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Here I go again . . .

Physics will teach you that everything is composed of energy. Everything. That includes thought. We, as humans, direct our thoughts to whatever we like. In that sense we direct energy.

We have total freedom to think whatever we like. No one, and that includes God, or whatever label you wish to apply to that concept. Since thought is energy, and we direct that energy, and no one can direct that energy for us the all important conclusion is that we are absolutely FREE.

And since no one can think for you then another all important conclusion is that no one can create for you or within your experience.

And since no one can think for you, or create for you, and you are absolutely free then the all important conclusion is that you have full responsibility for your life. Whatever happens to you is your creation to begin with.

And since you create your life in it's entirety then the all import conclusion is that you have absolute control of your life. If you don't like it you can change it. If you like it you can continue to create more of it.

This is an attraction-based universe. Like attracts like. Like thoughts attract like thoughts. And so, the conclusion here is that people with like thoughts attract other people with like thoughts into their experience. Let the interactions begin!

Since people have choosen their thoughts (beliefs, which are patternized, habitual thinking) indiscriminantly throughout their lifetimes, are unaware that their thoughts are energy which they mold into their own experience, are by and large unaware of all that they create, and are unaware that like attracts like then the obvious conclusion is that people are usually at a loss to explain events not only from their own personal experiences but events in which a great deal of people are involved (mass events). Not only are they at a loss to explain the event, they are at a loss as to what the appropriate action/reaction should be.

Thought is energy which creates experience, people think, people create experience, no one can think for you, no one can create for you, like attracts like. That's how the world works in a nutshell.

If you consider those 'theories' for more than a nanosecond, which is what most here tend to do, not only will you find all the supportive evidence that would prove those theories out, your current ideas would expand in ways you can't even comprehend from your current perspective.

How this works in thaibebops lunchroom food fight example is as follows (and let's consider this a malicious food fight and not one in fun): In a room filled with free-thinking people, each thinking their own personal thoughts (by the way, you hold an internal dialogue with yourself in every waking moment which you never ever turn off as long as you are awake and focused here) someone decides to throw food. Each person's beliefs will involve them to one extent or another.

It wouldn't be too hard to figure out what thoughts would cause a person to return the fire, and there would be quite a few flashing across the mind's screen in seemingly instantaneous fashion. But what of the poor, 'innoncent' person sitting there minding his or her own business when a pie hits them smack in the face? The thoughts that would be necessary for this person's participation are not quite as evident.

What is not understood is that the relationship between aggressor/victim is bound by similar thoughts. Hatred and fear are intertwined. How each individual processes their hatred is strictly individualistic. Some may choose to 'act out' their hatred, in which case they become the aggressor. Since it takes two to tango they need a 'willing' partner, who more than likely is an unwitting partner. Unwitting in the sense that this particular partner feels hatred also, but since their beliefs are different they may choose to take their hatred produced fear no further than merely imaginatively (imagination uses thought, too) entertaining unwanted consequences.

Let's say they he or she projects those fears into imaginative scenes where someone else is getting what they want, which is opposite of what they want, while feeling completely powerless over their life's experience, and feeling less powerful than the other. Those seemingly harmless imaginings will more than likely play out in scenes wherein this person is victimized. And since thoughts seek their own expression it may only be a matter of time before those thoughts fruition into experiential reality. That person unwittingly places himself or herself in the position of being ripe for the experience of being a victim. Whether it be getting struck by a food projectile, a car accident, an illness, or any other unwanted experience. The precise type of experience, though, will also be determined by that person's particular belief system. It will all fall in line.

Now, take another person present in the lunchroom who also is simply minding his or her own business. This person is a relatively happy person who feels very little hatred and thus very little fear. They also have the understanding that they create their own life and feel very much in control over the direction of their experience. Their thoughts and imagination are not at all in line with the surrounding events. Since this is an attraction-based universe, and since the law of attraction is completely and utterly and absolutely consisent in every single case then this person would not be affected in any way whatsoever by the turmoil surrounding them, other than merely being a witness to the events. The fact that their beliefs are not alike removes the possiblity of getting struck by food, or getting sucked into the situation in any other ways that would be in direct contradiction to the thoughts and beliefs they generally entertain.

Most people do NOT believe they have control over their lives. And so the idea that anything can happen to anyone at any given time is very much alive and at work in the mass pysche of this world. Most have no idea how pervasive that single idea is and to what extent that it, again, unwittingly plays out in one's private experience, let alone an awareness of it.

The fallout of that single belief is so much of the blame that exists, which manifests itself in countless ugly ways, so much of the uncontrollable hatred and fear that exists within people, which manifests itself into so many aggressor/victim relationships, so many of the power struggles, which are always attempts to control others as a method of being in control (which is not only the wrong way to go about bringing control to yourself but absolutely impossible to sustain with lasting effects).

It's so strange. Everyone wants freedom. Everyone wants their dreams to come true. Tell people that they have this power, that it is in fact inherent in the race of man, that it is in fact a gift to man, and people will spit in your face for simply making the suggestion. Worse case scenario is that you literaly get crucified, which has happened in the past for crimes of 'heresy,' to which I will admit full guilt.

Understand that throughout my writings I have simplified much. And that I have not made mention of many other concepts which would be a prerequisite for further understanding. I fully understand that I have left many gaps in the explanation of this knowledge. Be aware that new knowledge will initially produce more questions than answers. But don't let that stop you from further exploration. So much of what people think they know is the very thing that blinds them to the things they don't know.

So many here think that I am professing to ignore the 'real' world and thereby live in some fun-filled fantasy world that has no concrete reality. There are a hundred different responses I could make for that but I'll choose the one that tells you how absolutely clueless you are to what I am all about. By the way, nor am I about religion. Religion is for the blind. Not that I mean to trash any religion by that statement. Nor do I subscribe to any of the many 'positive thinking' ideologies since they more often than not gloss over the negatives.

The gift of thought is not free, folks. It bears a considerable price; or a very handsome reward. Taxexile, trade in your newspapers for the many volumes of fine books available which would do much better service to the state of your mind.

Why am I writing all of this? Anyone ever read Johnathan Livingston Seagull? If not, then it is my attempt to return the gift of the true power which lies in each and every blessed person in this world to anyone who's interested. The power which makes for happines, success, peace, love, appreciation, well-being, health, caring, the fulfillment of personal dreams, harmony, gratitude, and utter respect for all of life in all of it's forms.

What does this have to do with the topic at hand? South Thailand is quickly turning into a powder keg. It pains a great deal of people. And many people are unwittingly attempting to increase that pain exponentially by throwing more fuel on the fire. For anyone who truly, truly believes that their hatred and fear will bring them what they want they are sorely, painfully mistaken. At a juncture such as this understanding is needed a great deal more than action.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You have only another 45 books by Richard Bach to quote to us from

[ray23]

You yak too much. What the ###### does anything you have been saying have anyhting to do with the topic at hand? Ever heard of Ockham's Razor (one should not make more assumptions than needed)?

So, much of what you've been typing out is philosophies on life, death, reincarnation, and happy fuzz feelings we can all achieve by blocking out the truths we don't want. You're worse the Shirley McClaine. You want to know what the world works, take a Physics class.

So, no more rambling on about life in overgeneralized terms, let us stick with the topic at hand.  You need an exmaple to focus on. Say you're in a lunchroom and some people have decided, without speaking to you, that they are going to have a food fight. How are you going to stop them? You can't. They'll throw food and no matter how much you scream and yell, if everybody else is having fun they won't listen to you. So, you can physically try to stop them, which we all know you don't want to do, or, you can walk out of the room, which means you won't get involed but the food fight goes on. However, if you stay in the lunchroom with food flying about someone at somepoint is going to hit you. If they want to cover you in food, they will. So, even though you are not throwing food, you'll still get dirty. Perhaps, you should leave, or make the dirt count for something.

Sir Newton's First Law of Motion states that; If the net force exerted on an object is zero, the object continues in its original state of motion. Some people have decided to walk a path of violence against defendless people. Metaphorically speaking this is an "object" in motion. To stop said "object" a separate force must act upon the "object". What kind of force this should be is the topic.

So, you can not get involed and wait for the food to hit you, you can trick yourself into believeing that keeping your mind focused on happy things will some how help, but the truth is that some force must be brought in to act upon the moving "object".

By the way, trying to focus on happy thoughts shows just as much mental weakness as focusing on the bad thoughts. Instead look to the facts that surround you and the truth of how you do or can fit in. The mind should be clear and acting with wisdom gained by the facts of the situation. No mind is a good mind.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

tippaporn , thaibebop has answered your post , more than adequately , on my behalf.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Here I go again . . .

Physics will teach you that everything is composed of energy. Everything. That includes thought. We, as humans, direct our thoughts to whatever we like. In that sense we direct energy.

We have total freedom to think whatever we like. No one, and that includes God, or whatever label you wish to apply to that concept. Since thought is energy, and we direct that energy, and no one can direct that energy for us the all important conclusion is that we are absolutely FREE.

And since no one can think for you then another all important conclusion is that no one can create for you or within your experience.

And since no one can think for you, or create for you, and you are absolutely free then the all important conclusion is that you have full responsibility for your life. Whatever happens to you is your creation to begin with.

And since you create your life in it's entirety then the all import conclusion is that you have absolute control of your life. If you don't like it you can change it. If you like it you can continue to create more of it.

This is an attraction-based universe. Like attracts like. Like thoughts attract like thoughts. And so, the conclusion here is that people with like thoughts attract other people with like thoughts into their experience. Let the interactions begin!

Since people have choosen their thoughts (beliefs, which are patternized, habitual thinking) indiscriminantly throughout their lifetimes, are unaware that their thoughts are energy which they mold into their own experience, are by and large unaware of all that they create, and are unaware that like attracts like then the obvious conclusion is that people are usually at a loss to explain events not only from their own personal experiences but events in which a great deal of people are involved (mass events). Not only are they at a loss to explain the event, they are at a loss as to what the appropriate action/reaction should be.

Thought is energy which creates experience, people think, people create experience, no one can think for you, no one can create for you, like attracts like. That's how the world works in a nutshell.

If you consider those 'theories' for more than a nanosecond, which is what most here tend to do, not only will you find all the supportive evidence that would prove those theories out, your current ideas would expand in ways you can't even comprehend from your current perspective.

How this works in thaibebops lunchroom food fight example is as follows (and let's consider this a malicious food fight and not one in fun): In a room filled with free-thinking people, each thinking their own personal thoughts (by the way, you hold an internal dialogue with yourself in every waking moment which you never ever turn off as long as you are awake and focused here) someone decides to throw food. Each person's beliefs will involve them to one extent or another.

It wouldn't be too hard to figure out what thoughts would cause a person to return the fire, and there would be quite a few flashing across the mind's screen in seemingly instantaneous fashion. But what of the poor, 'innoncent' person sitting there minding his or her own business when a pie hits them smack in the face? The thoughts that would be necessary for this person's participation are not quite as evident.

What is not understood is that the relationship between aggressor/victim is bound by similar thoughts. Hatred and fear are intertwined. How each individual processes their hatred is strictly individualistic. Some may choose to 'act out' their hatred, in which case they become the aggressor. Since it takes two to tango they need a 'willing' partner, who more than likely is an unwitting partner. Unwitting in the sense that this particular partner feels hatred also, but since their beliefs are different they may choose to take their hatred produced fear no further than merely imaginatively (imagination uses thought, too) entertaining unwanted consequences.

Let's say they he or she projects those fears into imaginative scenes where someone else is getting what they want, which is opposite of what they want, while feeling completely powerless over their life's experience, and feeling less powerful than the other. Those seemingly harmless imaginings will more than likely play out in scenes wherein this person is victimized. And since thoughts seek their own expression it may only be a matter of time before those thoughts fruition into experiential reality. That person unwittingly places himself or herself in the position of being ripe for the experience of being a victim. Whether it be getting struck by a food projectile, a car accident, an illness, or any other unwanted experience. The precise type of experience, though, will also be determined by that person's particular belief system. It will all fall in line.

Now, take another person present in the lunchroom who also is simply minding his or her own business. This person is a relatively happy person who feels very little hatred and thus very little fear. They also have the understanding that they create their own life and feel very much in control over the direction of their experience. Their thoughts and imagination are not at all in line with the surrounding events. Since this is an attraction-based universe, and since the law of attraction is completely and utterly and absolutely consisent in every single case then this person would not be affected in any way whatsoever by the turmoil surrounding them, other than merely being a witness to the events. The fact that their beliefs are not alike removes the possiblity of getting struck by food, or getting sucked into the situation in any other ways that would be in direct contradiction to the thoughts and beliefs they generally entertain.

Most people do NOT believe they have control over their lives. And so the idea that anything can happen to anyone at any given time is very much alive and at work in the mass pysche of this world. Most have no idea how pervasive that single idea is and to what extent that it, again, unwittingly plays out in one's private experience, let alone an awareness of it.

The fallout of that single belief is so much of the blame that exists, which manifests itself in countless ugly ways, so much of the uncontrollable hatred and fear that exists within people, which manifests itself into so many aggressor/victim relationships, so many of the power struggles, which are always attempts to control others as a method of being in control (which is not only the wrong way to go about bringing control to yourself but absolutely impossible to sustain with lasting effects).

It's so strange. Everyone wants freedom. Everyone wants their dreams to come true. Tell people that they have this power, that it is in fact inherent in the race of man, that it is in fact a gift to man, and people will spit in your face for simply making the suggestion. Worse case scenario is that you literaly get crucified, which has happened in the past for crimes of 'heresy,' to which I will admit full guilt.

Understand that throughout my writings I have simplified much. And that I have not made mention of many other concepts which would be a prerequisite for further understanding. I fully understand that I have left many gaps in the explanation of this knowledge. Be aware that new knowledge will initially produce more questions than answers. But don't let that stop you from further exploration. So much of what people think they know is the very thing that blinds them to the things they don't know.

So many here think that I am professing to ignore the 'real' world and thereby live in some fun-filled fantasy world that has no concrete reality. There are a hundred different responses I could make for that but I'll choose the one that tells you how absolutely clueless you are to what I am all about. By the way, nor am I about religion. Religion is for the blind. Not that I mean to trash any religion by that statement. Nor do I subscribe to any of the many 'positive thinking' ideologies since they more often than not gloss over the negatives.

The gift of thought is not free, folks. It bears a considerable price; or a very handsome reward. Taxexile, trade in your newspapers for the many volumes of fine books available which would do much better service to the state of your mind.

Why am I writing all of this? Anyone ever read Johnathan Livingston Seagull? If not, then it is my attempt to return the gift of the true power which lies in each and every blessed person in this world to anyone who's interested. The power which makes for happines, success, peace, love, appreciation, well-being, health, caring, the fulfillment of personal dreams, harmony, gratitude, and utter respect for all of life in all of it's forms.

What does this have to do with the topic at hand? South Thailand is quickly turning into a powder keg. It pains a great deal of people. And many people are unwittingly attempting to increase that pain exponentially by throwing more fuel on the fire. For anyone who truly, truly believes that their hatred and fear will bring them what they want they are sorely, painfully mistaken. At a juncture such as this understanding is needed a great deal more than action.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You have only another 45 books by Richard Bach to quote to us from

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You know I think this started about alerts in Bangkok, it seems to be moving more to toward politics and ones approach to life. Although very interesting it seems to have left the original topic. This has run the gambit from Americans using nukes in World War 2, now everyone knows the Japaneses would never have done that if they had them available. Folks America is no longer the only country with nukes. I think they will be more easily controlled then a religious sect that things dying for thier god is the way to go.

It has been amazing experience to realize how much influence America has in the world, never noticed it when I lived there. I have to really wonder if that is real or imagined. In any event it seems to have been effective.

China truly is becoming a world player maybe they will exceed Americas influnce that should be very interesting. Then we can blame all the worlds evil on them. Might not be a bad idea they don't seem to have the problems a lot of other countries do, I wonder why?

So it doesn't look at this juncture that the violence in the south is going to slow down and probably will get worse. That would seem to me that increases the chances of it going beyond that area.

There are many things that could probably be done in the long term to resolve this problem but none of us can do anyhting about that.

I would like to see ideas from you guys as what you recommend that we can do to keep ourselves and our famalies safe, realistic ways ?

[thaibebop]

You yak too much. What the ###### does anything you have been saying have anyhting to do with the topic at hand? Ever heard of Ockham's Razor (one should not make more assumptions than needed)?

So, much of what you've been typing out is philosophies on life, death, reincarnation, and happy fuzz feelings we can all achieve by blocking out the truths we don't want. You're worse the Shirley McClaine. You want to know what the world works, take a Physics class.

So, no more rambling on about life in overgeneralized terms, let us stick with the topic at hand.  You need an exmaple to focus on. Say you're in a lunchroom and some people have decided, without speaking to you, that they are going to have a food fight. How are you going to stop them? You can't. They'll throw food and no matter how much you scream and yell, if everybody else is having fun they won't listen to you. So, you can physically try to stop them, which we all know you don't want to do, or, you can walk out of the room, which means you won't get involed but the food fight goes on. However, if you stay in the lunchroom with food flying about someone at somepoint is going to hit you. If they want to cover you in food, they will. So, even though you are not throwing food, you'll still get dirty. Perhaps, you should leave, or make the dirt count for something.

Sir Newton's First Law of Motion states that; If the net force exerted on an object is zero, the object continues in its original state of motion. Some people have decided to walk a path of violence against defendless people. Metaphorically speaking this is an "object" in motion. To stop said "object" a separate force must act upon the "object". What kind of force this should be is the topic.

So, you can not get involed and wait for the food to hit you, you can trick yourself into believeing that keeping your mind focused on happy things will some how help, but the truth is that some force must be brought in to act upon the moving "object".

By the way, trying to focus on happy thoughts shows just as much mental weakness as focusing on the bad thoughts. Instead look to the facts that surround you and the truth of how you do or can fit in. The mind should be clear and acting with wisdom gained by the facts of the situation. No mind is a good mind.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

tippaporn , thaibebop has answered your post , more than adequately , on my behalf.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Here I go again . . .

Physics will teach you that everything is composed of energy. Everything. That includes thought. We, as humans, direct our thoughts to whatever we like. In that sense we direct energy.

We have total freedom to think whatever we like. No one, and that includes God, or whatever label you wish to apply to that concept. Since thought is energy, and we direct that energy, and no one can direct that energy for us the all important conclusion is that we are absolutely FREE.

And since no one can think for you then another all important conclusion is that no one can create for you or within your experience.

And since no one can think for you, or create for you, and you are absolutely free then the all important conclusion is that you have full responsibility for your life. Whatever happens to you is your creation to begin with.

And since you create your life in it's entirety then the all import conclusion is that you have absolute control of your life. If you don't like it you can change it. If you like it you can continue to create more of it.

This is an attraction-based universe. Like attracts like. Like thoughts attract like thoughts. And so, the conclusion here is that people with like thoughts attract other people with like thoughts into their experience. Let the interactions begin!

Since people have choosen their thoughts (beliefs, which are patternized, habitual thinking) indiscriminantly throughout their lifetimes, are unaware that their thoughts are energy which they mold into their own experience, are by and large unaware of all that they create, and are unaware that like attracts like then the obvious conclusion is that people are usually at a loss to explain events not only from their own personal experiences but events in which a great deal of people are involved (mass events). Not only are they at a loss to explain the event, they are at a loss as to what the appropriate action/reaction should be.

Thought is energy which creates experience, people think, people create experience, no one can think for you, no one can create for you, like attracts like. That's how the world works in a nutshell.

If you consider those 'theories' for more than a nanosecond, which is what most here tend to do, not only will you find all the supportive evidence that would prove those theories out, your current ideas would expand in ways you can't even comprehend from your current perspective.

How this works in thaibebops lunchroom food fight example is as follows (and let's consider this a malicious food fight and not one in fun): In a room filled with free-thinking people, each thinking their own personal thoughts (by the way, you hold an internal dialogue with yourself in every waking moment which you never ever turn off as long as you are awake and focused here) someone decides to throw food. Each person's beliefs will involve them to one extent or another.

It wouldn't be too hard to figure out what thoughts would cause a person to return the fire, and there would be quite a few flashing across the mind's screen in seemingly instantaneous fashion. But what of the poor, 'innoncent' person sitting there minding his or her own business when a pie hits them smack in the face? The thoughts that would be necessary for this person's participation are not quite as evident.

What is not understood is that the relationship between aggressor/victim is bound by similar thoughts. Hatred and fear are intertwined. How each individual processes their hatred is strictly individualistic. Some may choose to 'act out' their hatred, in which case they become the aggressor. Since it takes two to tango they need a 'willing' partner, who more than likely is an unwitting partner. Unwitting in the sense that this particular partner feels hatred also, but since their beliefs are different they may choose to take their hatred produced fear no further than merely imaginatively (imagination uses thought, too) entertaining unwanted consequences.

Let's say they he or she projects those fears into imaginative scenes where someone else is getting what they want, which is opposite of what they want, while feeling completely powerless over their life's experience, and feeling less powerful than the other. Those seemingly harmless imaginings will more than likely play out in scenes wherein this person is victimized. And since thoughts seek their own expression it may only be a matter of time before those thoughts fruition into experiential reality. That person unwittingly places himself or herself in the position of being ripe for the experience of being a victim. Whether it be getting struck by a food projectile, a car accident, an illness, or any other unwanted experience. The precise type of experience, though, will also be determined by that person's particular belief system. It will all fall in line.

Now, take another person present in the lunchroom who also is simply minding his or her own business. This person is a relatively happy person who feels very little hatred and thus very little fear. They also have the understanding that they create their own life and feel very much in control over the direction of their experience. Their thoughts and imagination are not at all in line with the surrounding events. Since this is an attraction-based universe, and since the law of attraction is completely and utterly and absolutely consisent in every single case then this person would not be affected in any way whatsoever by the turmoil surrounding them, other than merely being a witness to the events. The fact that their beliefs are not alike removes the possiblity of getting struck by food, or getting sucked into the situation in any other ways that would be in direct contradiction to the thoughts and beliefs they generally entertain.

Most people do NOT believe they have control over their lives. And so the idea that anything can happen to anyone at any given time is very much alive and at work in the mass pysche of this world. Most have no idea how pervasive that single idea is and to what extent that it, again, unwittingly plays out in one's private experience, let alone an awareness of it.

The fallout of that single belief is so much of the blame that exists, which manifests itself in countless ugly ways, so much of the uncontrollable hatred and fear that exists within people, which manifests itself into so many aggressor/victim relationships, so many of the power struggles, which are always attempts to control others as a method of being in control (which is not only the wrong way to go about bringing control to yourself but absolutely impossible to sustain with lasting effects).

It's so strange. Everyone wants freedom. Everyone wants their dreams to come true. Tell people that they have this power, that it is in fact inherent in the race of man, that it is in fact a gift to man, and people will spit in your face for simply making the suggestion. Worse case scenario is that you literaly get crucified, which has happened in the past for crimes of 'heresy,' to which I will admit full guilt.

Understand that throughout my writings I have simplified much. And that I have not made mention of many other concepts which would be a prerequisite for further understanding. I fully understand that I have left many gaps in the explanation of this knowledge. Be aware that new knowledge will initially produce more questions than answers. But don't let that stop you from further exploration. So much of what people think they know is the very thing that blinds them to the things they don't know.

So many here think that I am professing to ignore the 'real' world and thereby live in some fun-filled fantasy world that has no concrete reality. There are a hundred different responses I could make for that but I'll choose the one that tells you how absolutely clueless you are to what I am all about. By the way, nor am I about religion. Religion is for the blind. Not that I mean to trash any religion by that statement. Nor do I subscribe to any of the many 'positive thinking' ideologies since they more often than not gloss over the negatives.

The gift of thought is not free, folks. It bears a considerable price; or a very handsome reward. Taxexile, trade in your newspapers for the many volumes of fine books available which would do much better service to the state of your mind.

Why am I writing all of this? Anyone ever read Johnathan Livingston Seagull? If not, then it is my attempt to return the gift of the true power which lies in each and every blessed person in this world to anyone who's interested. The power which makes for happines, success, peace, love, appreciation, well-being, health, caring, the fulfillment of personal dreams, harmony, gratitude, and utter respect for all of life in all of it's forms.

What does this have to do with the topic at hand? South Thailand is quickly turning into a powder keg. It pains a great deal of people. And many people are unwittingly attempting to increase that pain exponentially by throwing more fuel on the fire. For anyone who truly, truly believes that their hatred and fear will bring them what they want they are sorely, painfully mistaken. At a juncture such as this understanding is needed a great deal more than action.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I am going to itemize this post so as to be as clear as possible.

1. I suppose you think of your self as some kind of genius, one step ahead of Jesus and a lightbulb brighter than Buddha. I find opening posts the way you do distasteful and condesending. By the way, did miss my reference to Ockham's Razor?

2. It is clear you have never taken a Physics class or if did you were too busy play with a packet of Zig-Zags to pay attention. Nothing (and I mean NOTHING) in the world or universe is composed of energy. Rather, matter is composed of chemical compounds which break down into molecules which break down into elements or Atoms. Are you familar with the Periodic Table?

Human thoughts are proof that the neurons of your central nervous system are working. And, yes it does take a certain amount of energy or Adenosine triphosphate (ATP) for the neurons to accomplish thoughts, however, energy still does not compose anything. Energy is what is gained or lost for the purpose of accomplishing Work (ex. movement). Thus energy doesn't get "directed" only used. Forces can be directed, something I pointed out in my last post.

3. If like always attracts like than chemical compounds would be an impossbilty and thus so would life. Atoms bond because they are trying to gain stabilty by fill their valence shell with electrons, so, they are attracted to "other" atoms because other atoms have an extra electron which they can use, thus creating molecules and chemical bonds. So, like attarcts like is not a law.

4. In reference to the food fight I believe your trying to touch upon a phenomenon known as classical conditioning, only your claiming that is self-induced. It is clear you lack a working understanding of basic human psychology and instead fall back upon self-help book "wisdom". None of which I might add are theories. The rest of your lunchroom exmaple is complete devoid of all sense. According to you if a person thinks happy thoughts they can avoid being hit by food in a food fight. Are they a Jedi who can redirect projectiles by useing the "Force". So, I guess if we all get together in Southern Thailand and use the Force we can stop the bombings and Lucus can come and make a movie.

5. Thought is very free, I am engaging myself in a thought process right now and I am not being taxed. Most, if not all, the great thinkers of this world have stated the only thing man doesn't have to pay for are his thoughts. The freedom inside ones head as enabled many prisoners over the years to maintain their sanity. You also lack an understanding of classical philosophy.

6. You express that you are somehow misunderstood, I can't image why, and yet you have not taken the time to understand others. What Taxexile and myself Thaibebop were trying to explain is that your "points" either have no bearing on the topic at hand or they are unrealistic. You claim try peace. Who is PM Taksin suppose to phone up to have a peace meeting over some knish and perrier. Nobody has claimed responsibility for any of the acts of violence, thus peace is not an option. And all peaceful means are strictly long term, like economic, labor, & tax reforms. People are less likely to be desperate when they have something to lose. Otherwise, the only real soluntion is to set up an intelligence network with surveilance teams, moles, informers, and spotters, backed up by fully armed and armoured urban-combat trained professionals. With this network in place they might be able to predict and prevent attacks, as well as apprehend known or suspected terrorist. After interrogating these people they might be able to uncover more terrorists and remove them from the general popultion or uncover an organizition which you could offer peace talks to. However, a path of peace at this time would mean that Taksin would be failing to protect the Thai people and the homeland.

7. In conclusion I find you to be a pseudo-intellectual who has read a few clever books marketed for stray sheep and now thinks they understand the world. Wisdom is knowing you know nothing and that all you have learned just means your still learning. I sugest in the furture you do not make use of science to explain your crack-pot ideas, it only furthers igorance. You bore me.

Now ray23, I can only say to use your senses. If something doesn't fit the picture report it and get away from it. I would find alternative enterway into any building that might be a target (they like to blow up front doors) locate nearest exits to you in the building as well. I would avoid festivals and anywhere that a large number of people come together at, as long as that place fits the parameters for a potential target. Or you could just board up your house and not come out, which would really suck. I hope that helps.

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I'm beginning to wonder if the tsunami that wiped out Bada Aceh displaced some real professional terrorists, say from the Jemaah Islamiah. With their former base devastated, perhaps they have migrated to northern Malaysia or southern Thailand. These remote controlled bombs wired to cellphones mark a big leap in the "quality" of the attacks.