webfact Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Youth arrested for 11-year-old's rape, murder By The Nation on Sunday CHACHOENGSAO Published on November 29, 2009 A 23-year-old neighbour was arrested yesterday for raping and strangling an 11-year-old schoolgirl in a tapioca plantation in Sanam Chai district last week. Some of the 100 onlookers' attempts to attack the suspect, Manote Boonmak, prematurely ended the re-enactment of the crime. Pol General Jongrak Juthanont, a deputy national police chief, told a press conference that Manote, who had scratch marks on his thigh, had succumbed to forensic evidence that found the girl had scratched her attacker. Moreover, his DNA matched the sample found in the victim's fingernails. Manote told police that he had gone to see the victim's father at their home but he was not there. He therefore offered the girl a lift to go stay overnight with Ban Tha Sung School teachers and classmates in preparation for a Chon Buri drum contest the next morning. On the way, he dragged the girl into the roadside plantation, raped her and strangled her with the cord from his trousers. He then fled the scene. Police said their initial investigation into Manote had found him to be a wayward youth who is addicted to ya ba. -- The Nation 2009/11/29 [newsfooter][/newsfooter] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leedstony Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 very sad wish the relatives all the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo the Face Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Why is the Nation referring to this adult of 23 years of age, as a youth?? ..... Sort of puts a different feeling into the news report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakeman Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Sad but I am glad they found the culprit. You are right he is not a youth and I hope he gets his just rewards whether he was under the influence or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 My condolences to the friends, family and classmates of the victim. What a tragic story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Sad for a girl, her family and the community. What a depressing way to start this lovely Sunday morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
way2muchcoffee Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Influence is of drugs isn't related to this kind of crime IMO. Perhaps a mugging or robbery, but rape and murder of a child? I just don't see the connection. This guy will pay for his crimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needforspeed Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Read this with tears in my eyes as i have myself a young lovely daughter, condolences to all family and friends, many peole feel the pain with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaraRai Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 tragic, but at least the guy was caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumball Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 'way2muchcoffee' date='2009-11-29 09:30:06' post='3171303']Influence is of drugs isn't related to this kind of crime IMO. Perhaps a mugging or robbery, but rape and murder of a child? I just don't see the connection. This guy will pay for his crimes. The use of anything mind-bending should not be brought up as even as an infitisimal excuse for any crime of one person against another , in fact , it should extend the length of any punishment given . My sincere condolences to all concerned in this inexcusable crime . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
way2muchcoffee Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 (edited) The use of anything mind-bending should not be brought up as even as an infitisimal excuse for any crime of one person against another , in fact , it should extend the length of any punishment given .My sincere condolences to all concerned in this inexcusable crime . We don't agree on the whole drug issue and society, however, let's not disrupt this particular thread. I know, I started it, and that was callous of me. Let's leave it there. Sincere condolences to the family and friends of the girl. What a horrible and tragic way to go. Edited November 29, 2009 by way2muchcoffee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moskito Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 The use of anything mind-bending should not be brought up as even as an infitisimal excuse for any crime of one person against another , in fact , it should extend the length of any punishment given . EXCUSE ME? this is absolutely bull....t Drugs like jaba make the users crazy and dont you tell me its always up to them! There is no Excuse for a crime like that, but maybe Thailand should do more about the BIG HEADS behind the jaba and other drugs scene. There is a lot of money in this business and wherever much money is involved guys in uniforms are not far away. Some education starting in schools should help, giving people or kids a chance for the future, except ending as jaba addicts, burglars and/or rapists...unfortunately Thailand is far away from the will of educating their so called lower citizens. And WHY should THEY? everybody knows that dumb citizens are easier to control. Who need people asking questions????????? my condolences to the family of the poor little victim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 I hope they got the right guy. Sometimes druggies make convenient people to pin these crimes on, because they are to lost to resist coercion. Mention is made of forensic evidence, but it just doesn't sound right to me. It takes about 7-14 working days to isolate and analyze DNA and the news report says that it was ready in a week. That's a first in Thailand, I think. Even in the most advanced police labs around the world rape kit samples can take 6 to 12 months to look at assuming someone even bothers. Maybe this case was given top priority and the equipment needed was commandeered from other investigations for a week or so, but I doubt it. I'd be more comfortable if they said the alleged scratches were consistent with the victims height etc. and if a semen sample was obtained from the victims clothes. If someone is longterm methamphetamine user, it has a tendancy to impair sexual functioning (despite stories to the contrary), so I wonder about that aspect of the story. I'm not downplaying the crime here, but I think it is in everyone's interest to make sure that the sickie that did this is off the streets. My observation has been that the BiB have a tendancy to extract confessions from people when a fast confession is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Thanks GeriatricKid. It's good to have some facts about how information is analyzed. Arresting and getting the right person off the streets needs to be a priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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whistleblower Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 on top of all the condolences to the family, my question is where were the parents during all this?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needforspeed Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 I hope they got the right guy. Sometimes druggies make convenient people to pin these crimes on, because they are to lost to resist coercion. Mention is made of forensic evidence, but it just doesn't sound right to me. It takes about 7-14 working days to isolate and analyze DNA and the news report says that it was ready in a week. That's a first in Thailand, I think. Even in the most advanced police labs around the world rape kit samples can take 6 to 12 months to look at assuming someone even bothers. Maybe this case was given top priority and the equipment needed was commandeered from other investigations for a week or so, but I doubt it. I'd be more comfortable if they said the alleged scratches were consistent with the victims height etc. and if a semen sample was obtained from the victims clothes. If someone is longterm methamphetamine user, it has a tendancy to impair sexual functioning (despite stories to the contrary), so I wonder about that aspect of the story. I'm not downplaying the crime here, but I think it is in everyone's interest to make sure that the sickie that did this is off the streets. My observation has been that the BiB have a tendancy to extract confessions from people when a fast confession is needed. A confession from a suspect is in Thailand enough to be guilty off the crime related to his/her confession? Is a quick confession from this unreliable suspect, as he was a addicted to drugs and under presure from police, without any substantial prove of guilt enough close the case????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 on top of all the condolences to the family, my question is where were the parents during all this?? I understand your point, but don't know if this is the right place to 2nd guess the parents. They have enough pain as it is. They have to live with this tragedy and their hearts must be broken. Pointing fingers at them serves no purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarearn Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 (edited) My condolences to the family of the victim. ขอแสดงความเสียใจด้วยนะขอรับกระผม None should have to lose a child, a sister, a cousin, or a friend in such an act of violence. May all affected heal well from the trauma and may the victim go on to sweeter pastures great beyond. I see it as unfortunate that such things happen, for all involved. The family of the victim will certainly suffer. It is also unfortunate for the family of the murderer/rapist, as they too will likely suffer. The youth of 23 will surely suffer. That the youth of 23 years was addicted to Ya Ba (Meth-amphetamine) is unfortunate. Contrary to what some might believe, it is important to see that the structure of prohibition itself is in part to blame for such violence in our community. When society prohibits drugs, there are numerous painful consequences for society. One has simply to look around: 7000 dead last year in Mexico, the Billionaire head of one violent Latin drug cartel made it on the Forbes' World's Richest People list, prisons are filled with mostly non-violent drug offenders wasting important resources that could otherwise go to prosecute violent crime such as this unfortunate case of combined rape and murder, 3000 dead in three months from the failed and unnecessary drug war here in Thailand in early 2003. Ya Ba is a drug that does much harm to the physical and mental states of those who use it regularly. It has been suggested by federal judges in Portland, Oregon, ( according to Gary Johnson, former governor of New Mexico, USA for two terms who thinks we should outright legalize Marijuana and initiate harm reduction strategies for all others. The quote about the judges in Portland is at the 7:39 mark of this YouTube Video http: //bit.ly/8dRnYA) that prohibition is what makes people choose this dangerous drug, ya ba/ meth-amphetamine, over other safer alternatives. Essentially the laws make this drug available because it is cheap and easy to make, and it disproportionately affects the poor. Of drug addicts who do harm to others in the community, Ya Ba users are said to be some of the worst. Yet because of the illegal status, those addicted to ya ba are not likely to seek help, as it could mean they get into trouble with the law. Drug addiction is a health-care issue, and yet we as a society have made it into a criminal issue. So someone caught on a first time offence might end up in prison, where there are often strata of abuse, from other criminals within, from guards, from the citizenry at large who are complicit through our ignorance and condemnation. Rape is reportedly very common in prisons around the world, and murder is not so uncommon too. It is also known that those abused often go on to abuse later. So it could very well be that we are currently manufacturing criminals such as this young man of 23 years in our prisons around the world through our failed drug policy. So while I completely feel empathy for the victim and her family, and in no way wish to trivialize this individual case, and while I know that in this man's case, prison and/or death is his lot, I also know that we as citizens of this world must do something to intervene with such disturbed and sick individuals before aberrant behaviour goes to far. Prison can be a good place for violent criminals like this man. Prison is not the place for non-violent drug addicts, for they'll have to associate with the likes of his irk. Prison often hardens non-violent offenders due simply to the nature of the violent, survival of the fittest, environment. IF this man is known to be a ya ba user, it could be that he has been in and out of the prison system many times already. Perhaps he needed a ticket in as he knew not how to cope with his addiction on the outside. Could it be that this young man, and his victim, and the families and communities involved, are but the latest victims of our failed policy of punishing with violence, those who have physical and mental health issues, caused through drug addiction? Are they the latest in the long line of victims of drug prohibition? Only exhaustive research into the case, or intimate knowledge thereof, would really tell us perhaps, but it smells of deeper filth than that which is on the surface. I only speculate about specifics, of this case, as I don't know. But I do know that massive amounts of suffering are caused through our world-wide, United Nations sanctioned, policy of drug prohibition. I think we must do something to remove the underlying causes of violence in our community. The ignorance and blind-leading-the-blind approach of drug prohibition must evolve into something more humane, lest those unfortunate, often neglected and abused, individuals who get addicted to drugs, make more of us suffer through acts of violence like this in the future. If instead of lumping all illegal "drugs" into one group, from Marijuana - which according to DEA Judge Francis L. Young, who wrote "Marijuana is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man." is very safe in nature - to the most dangerous such as Ya Ba, the first defense against which we impose the criminal law, we were instead to look scientifically at the situation of drug abuse and dependency, we'd likely come up with a solution similar to what Portugal came up with early in this millennium. ( http:// bit.ly/7H1sNo and http:// bit.ly/5mQFFA for an audio about the positive effects of 7 years of drug decriminalization in Portugal )Portugal has decriminalized all drugs and when someone is caught, they are given optional therapy. Then we would see that most of the harms that come from drugs and drug addiction are not caused by the drugs themselves, but by the laws, which we as a society use to prohibit them. Guess what? Portugal has seen a great decline in the harms associated with drug use, an example of which harm we see in this story. So I just thought I'd share my views, as it is easy to blame individuals for their bad behaviour and punish them, though it remains impotent to cause lasting change, and it would be much more effective as a preventative measure to seek out the underlying causes and work to eliminate them. Drug prohibition, with its violent black market run by supply and demand caused through a grossly inflated price due to the prohibition, with its uncertain purity of drugs, along with complete misinformation put out through the state sponsored media as to the relative danger of various substances, is definitely in part to blame for immeasurable suffering including incidences of violence like murder and rape. Prohibition of Alcohol was an evident failure of gross proportions, as alcohol was still widely available and often abused, and uncertain purity caused many deaths and other suffering, such as blindness. Prohibition of drugs has also been an utter failure. In Portugal, this young man likely would have received proper medical attention early on in his addiction, and then gone on to become a productive part of society. If not, at least we would have known we had tried and could see how perhaps we may have improved for the future. They have a least taken steps in the right direction. The lucrative proceeds from illicit drugs would serve us much better as a society in the coffers of the community chest, going towards education and social welfare, rather than into the hands of violent gangs of thugs living lavishly with utter disregard for the community at large. It is said that it takes a community to raise a child. If that child is not raised properly, as is the case with many, it is fair to say that many in their 40s and 50s and beyond are not yet fully developed psychologically and emotionally. So at 23 it is fair to say this man is a youth. A child inside is suffering, and certainly will suffer at the hand of the criminal justice system, as it certainly is effective at punishing and making to suffer. May that we only learn how to prevent such delinquent behaviours, through properly educating our youth. Teaching the respective dangers and safeties of drugs is certainly one of the tactics in our over all strategy. If we are to do away with repugnant behaviours such as murder and rape, we must look to changing the underlying causes of such behaviours and change those, and the awful behaviours then stand a chance of disappearing. Changing the way in which drug use is viewed and dealt with in society is a good place to start. Also changing the way in which education as a whole happens, is hugely important and way too vast for me to get into now. As a society we pay exorbitantly to the judiciary for drug prohibition. Regulate and tax instead, and there would be huge dividends to put into education and treatment for any unfortunate enough to be ensnared in addiction. I personally am against the death penalty for there are many cases of innocents going to death at huge cost and suffering to the community. So assuming he is indeed to blame for the crime, I'd hope this young man of 23 goes to treatment in the maximum security prisons for a very, very long time. Yet it is my greater hope that we as a society watch to make sure that there is effective change happening in individuals locked up and continue to evolve the methodology of incarceration to make it more effective and humane, so that when people go in, they come out better than when they went in. May all rest peacefully feeling the safety of being immortal energy experience the mortal experience of being human. I like to ask as I drive around Bangkok on my 110 cc motorcycle. Why am I always safe and therefore, why am I always happy. I wish anyone reading this friendliness (ไมตรี), compassion (กรุณา) , delight (มุทิตา), and even-mindedness (อุเบกขา) even when faced with madness and hate, that you may experience the law of attraction bringing you more of what you want and less of what you don't want. Love and Light, God Bless You, To awaken as the Buddha within! Dylan นายเจริญ นิรันดร นหาดก Edited November 29, 2009 by Jarearn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILT Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 I hope they got the right guy. Sometimes druggies make convenient people to pin these crimes on, because they are to lost to resist coercion. Mention is made of forensic evidence, but it just doesn't sound right to me. It takes about 7-14 working days to isolate and analyze DNA and the news report says that it was ready in a week. That's a first in Thailand, I think. Even in the most advanced police labs around the world rape kit samples can take 6 to 12 months to look at assuming someone even bothers. Maybe this case was given top priority and the equipment needed was commandeered from other investigations for a week or so, but I doubt it. I'd be more comfortable if they said the alleged scratches were consistent with the victims height etc. and if a semen sample was obtained from the victims clothes. If someone is longterm methamphetamine user, it has a tendancy to impair sexual functioning (despite stories to the contrary), so I wonder about that aspect of the story. I'm not downplaying the crime here, but I think it is in everyone's interest to make sure that the sickie that did this is off the streets. My observation has been that the BiB have a tendancy to extract confessions from people when a fast confession is needed. I would have to agree. Normally rape is not about sex but power over another weaker person. Killing the victim is an attempt to cover up the crime, but in this modern world that does not seem to work. My condolences to the family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toptuan Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 (edited) Some of the 100 onlookers' attempts to attack the suspect, Manote Boonmak, prematurely ended the re-enactment of the crime Can someone please tell me the rationale behind the consistent "re-enactments" of crimes in Thailand? 1. It is to give an opportunity for a lynching, as often happens (and nearly happened in this case), thereby relieving the authorities from further hassles with the accused? 2. Is it a chance for the accused/criminal to spend some time outside the cell for a little fresh air and exercise? 3. It is to give the accused/criminal a chance to give their "unbiased" version in front of the public? 4. Is it at the bequest of the news media which gets great front-page fodder at the victims' expense? 5. Is it to satisfy everyone's desire for "15 minutes of fame?" (see #4) 6. Or is it simply to whip up the rage of a revengeful public and thus make "an example" of the accused/criminal? (Guilty until proven innocent, of course). (Connected to #1). 7. And lastly, is the "accused" who gets to role-play? Or the "convicted criminal?" If the former, I'm afraid such a public re-playing out of the crime seals the accused's fate and skews any later fair justice which could be administered to the accused. Related to this, I'm wondering if an accused person vehemently denies guilt, if he/she is forced to role-play the crime in public (according to the witnesses' or victims' recounting of the crime)? I'm mystified. The whole thing leaves me a bit unsettled. Enlighten me. Edited November 29, 2009 by toptuan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythBuster Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Never understood why the circus of re-enacting a crime is performed in Thailand. Evidence is mostly immediately destroyed by policemen, locals and not to forget the Chinese body snatchers who walk through any crime scene. Maybe that's the reason. There are unfortunately many disturbed people who cannot keep their hands of children, each and every country has the same problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumball Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 The use of anything mind-bending should not be brought up as even as an infitisimal excuse for any crime of one person against another , in fact , it should extend the length of any punishment given . EXCUSE ME? this is absolutely bull....t Drugs like jaba make the users crazy and dont you tell me its always up to them! There is no Excuse for a crime like that, but maybe Thailand should do more about the BIG HEADS behind the jaba and other drugs scene. There is a lot of money in this business and wherever much money is involved guys in uniforms are not far away. Some education starting in schools should help, giving people or kids a chance for the future, except ending as jaba addicts, burglars and/or rapists...unfortunately Thailand is far away from the will of educating their so called lower citizens. And WHY should THEY? everybody knows that dumb citizens are easier to control. Who need people asking questions????????? my condolences to the family of the poor little victim Once again we have a case of a poster MISREADING English and interpreting it to the OPPOSITE of what is said . oooooooh my !!!!!!!!!!!!1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stumbo Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 I have an 11 year old daughter, she is never let out of my sight except in supervised activities. Being a very pale luk krung as the Thais call them, she would be a desirable target for the pychos and sickos out there. I suggest everone else in the same boat always be vigilant. To this sordid tale, what a horrible horrible trauma that poor little girl must have gone through. I hope they execute the bastard publicly as a warning to others of his ilk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phetaroi Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Why is the Nation referring to this adult of 23 years of age, as a youth?? .....Sort of puts a different feeling into the news report. I read it differently, as he had been a wayward youth. Past tense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phetaroi Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 (edited) Of the many insulting and disgusting aspects of your post -- particularly hijacking a thread about the rape and murder of a child -- even more heinous is that you use it as your private soapbox to use Buddha's name in encouraging the use of drugs. More than any post I've read over the past year on TV...shame on you! Edited November 29, 2009 by phetaroi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTamo Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 As a Buddhist, I'm with you Phetaroi. What a w_anker Dylan. Please go away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike404045 Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 i use to live in an area in bangkok where so many youths were using/addicted to ya ba.. very unsafe, heaps of crime and just scary for a farang like me.. most of the kids were between 10-18, never seem to go to school and were always stealing and openly using in an area where even the adults were using drugs too.. i mean wiloons openly sold the stuff on a daily basis outside my appartment block and police often looked the other way. drugs are a big problem here, and if this 23 year old person wasnt under the influence of drugs he may not have committed this horrible crime.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katana Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 A bit more in the Khaosod with pictures. http://www.khaosod.co.th/view_newsonline.p...TVNekV5TVE9PQ== Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joorakee Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 A bit more in the Khaosod with pictures.http://www.khaosod.co.th/view_newsonline.p...TVNekV5TVE9PQ== "เกิดอารมณ์ทางเพศขึ้นมา เพราะภรรยาตนเองต้องท้องได้ 8 เดือน ไม่ได้มีเพศสัมพันธ์กันมานาน" "เมื่อคลอดลูกออกมาก็ขอให้เลี้ยงดูเขาดีๆ อบรมสั่งสอนเขาให้เป็นเด็กดี" IMO such "people" shouldn't raise families. And he has a wife who has been pregnant for 8 months. He wishes that his wife brings up the child to be a good boy. How will she provide for the family? Selling her body? The bastard (I mean the rapist) should be tormented to death. His explanation that he hadn't had a sexual intercourse for a long time is ridiculous. No mercy for such scum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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