Sinbad's Final Comments On The Matter

[sinbad]

It seems that opinion on this issue, as portrayed by those who have responded, is weighted towards me. Had there not been some serious collaberation between two members who wasted space with a few strange, cowardly indirect comments, then I would have concluded that opinion was equally divided, as would be expected with a debating point such as this.

Just for the record, my people sources are completely genuine and reliable. But you'll notice I didn't quote any statistics other than the fact that there are over 3000 bars in Pattaya. Statistics tend not to be reliable. For example, although bars have to have licence there are no published figures, or anyway of finding out. Obviously, the authorities don't want to publish the fact that the number of bars is increasing when at the same time they are marketing a different and cleaner image for Pattaya. It is estimated there are over 3000 bars.

I was very interested to see how people would respond to the Guardian article, and genuinely interested to see what people thought. Indeed, I also wanted to incite some contraversial debate. There are some serious issues to consider, and maybe it will make some people, including myself, question a few things.

Just one thing, some people seemed to have got confused when they moved away from the point by making comparisons to loutish behaviour in places like London, Ibiza and Benidorm. Indeed, this is very valid and true point, but two wrongs don't make a right.

Fourbaht, no hard feelings. Although I attacked your first response, I actually agree with much of what you wrote in the second. I don't completely hate Pattaya as some peope have suggested, but there is a side to it, which we all know about, which is not very nice; it goes way outside the spectrum of the article - as someone mentioned: corruption, mafias, child sex, etc - and these things will only change if people talk about them rather than pretend they don't exist or ignore them. At the end of the day the people most affected otherwise, are normal expats trying to make an honest go of it here, and girls from poverty stricken areas.

[ProfessorFart]

Firstly no one ever denied that Pattaya doesn't have girls, bars etc. All of this denial seems to be in your head.

What wound most people up was that your article was the same old recycled 'Mean Streets of Pattaya' sh1t which has been written 1000 times before. Utterly pointless.

If the point of the article had been to raise healthy debate then all well and good, however all you raised was angry responses to the lame negativity of your piece.

In supposing your article would raise debate and awareness about corruption, mafia activity and prostitution (of all types) etc. you are misleading yourself. Everyone who has even a slight knowledge of Thailand will know that these issues have existed and been debated for decades.

No matter what your intentions were in writing the piece, the end result was as has been said, a rather lame cliched article.

I note that you say this is your final say on the matter, however you have yet to answer any of the charges put to you in the other posts.

Therefore we can only conclude that you are admitting the charges levelled against you for churning out this dross, through your inability to back up your article in any way.

The main reason for my bile at your dribble was that especially in this time of post Tsunami difficulties, Thailand needs some positive coverage in the media, not sh1t like your article. Shame on you. Shame on the Guardian. Stick to teaching and do something positive for the country which is now your home.

[Thomas_Merton]

Firstly no one ever denied that Pattaya doesn't have girls, bars etc. All of this denial seems to be in your head.

What wound most people up was that your article was the same old recycled 'Mean Streets of Pattaya' sh1t which has been written 1000 times before. Utterly pointless.

If the point of the article had been to raise healthy debate then all well and good, however all you raised was angry responses to the lame negativity of your piece.

In supposing your article would raise debate and awareness about corruption, mafia activity and prostitution (of all types) etc. you are misleading yourself. Everyone who has even a slight knowledge of Thailand will know that these issues have existed and been debated for decades.

No matter what your intentions were in writing the piece, the end result was as has been said, a rather lame cliched article.

I note that you say this is your final say on the matter, however you have yet to answer any of the charges put to you in the other posts.

Therefore we can only conclude that you are admitting the charges levelled against you for churning out this dross, through your inability to back up your article in any way.

The main reason for my bile at your dribble was that especially in this time of post Tsunami difficulties, Thailand needs some positive coverage in the media, not sh1t like your article. Shame on you. Shame on the Guardian. Stick to teaching and do something positive for the country which is now your home.

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Game, Set and Match to the Proffesor.

Now as your name suggests, we should consider Sinbad as just a fart in the wind. The wind has blown and stink has gone.

All that remains is for the Mods to respond and close these threads that ungratefully have tried to damage LOS in a time when the Kingdom has most needed our support.

[thai_norman]

Toxin has quite clearly stated that he does not need farangs help or money for the tsunami.

[Darknight]

indeed double posts on the same issue

this issue is closed now