The Death Of A Friend From Phon Kk Province

[473geo]

Supply and demand Cognos........?

on another site........'from a reliable sexual survey source, around 450,000 thai men visit prostitutes daily'.........

I doubt these Thai men marry them........so tell me again....why do these girls do what they do??

[cognos]

Supply and demand Cognos........?

on another site........'from a reliable sexual survey source, around 450,000 thai men visit prostitutes daily'.........

I doubt these Thai men marry them........so tell me again....why do these girls do what they do??

..point taken, but are you comparing apples and oranges? Do Thai men go to the "in your face" bars in Pattaya, Bangla Road, etc? Do Thai men go back to farang land and send money each month, a minimum 10,000 baht? Do Thai men pay about 1000 baht for short time??(or is it more like 2 or 300 baht).. Do Thai women that sleep with Thai men for money see them as a family saviour and perpetual cash cow? If the answer to any of these questions is a resounding YES, then I will buy into the notion that all the women would go into the trade anyway...ya right..like the Thai men will complain on Thai visa when their short timers rip them off..and I have some cheap land for you in the Antarctic..

I agree the "problem", if you want to call women going into that trade a problem, is much more complicated than just eliminating the farang factor. I agree that the oldest profession will stay long after all of us on Thai visa are long gone. I agree that some of them like the job, but I do not think that a large percentage like it, therefore they wish they were doing something else. The latter may feel somewhat "choked" when they are under a beer swilling, viagra induced, breath smelling like an ashtray at best, waiting for the farang sex pat to finish up and leave, so they can go back to the bar and regale their friends with their frequent sexual exploits and be received like heroes.

Bottom line..I feel sorry for Steve, and those "doomed" to follow in his unfortunate footsteps. signed: its all about CHOICES

[cognos]

look, I ain't the moral police..what goes on will keep going on..some "successful" BG's return to Issan like football superstars..and of course many young girls look up to them..their heads are filled with visions of grandeur, and they see the large houses being built, the new TV's etc..

my ulterior motive is that I don't like to see anyone get victimized..whether it is poor Steve, or a young Burmese girl that works in the border area and is targeted by a rich Japanese businessman to surrender her virginity for a pittance. As an former abused child myself, and a special education teacher, maybe I have more empathy in general then some. I'm not preaching for farang to stop socializing and marrying bg's..its great if a farang can "rescue" a few from the industry and take good care of them. I know many marriages of this type do work, but they probably pose more risk than just persuing "regular conservative" working Thai ladies.

It would be fantastic if all the bg's who don't really like their job could get out before they get too jaded or develop a drinking problem, but in the real world this is not going to happen, unfortunately

[Boo]

guys please bear in mind the following points;

1) the forum rules regarding the discussion of prostitution

2) we only have the op's word that Steves wife was ever a bar girl

3) that a man has died & may have family reading here.

So although some of the point raised maybe of concern to other expats this isn't the place to discus them.

Thanks

[tomwct]

I hope one of Steve's friends runs down this new BF and gives him this ladies background, so she doesn't do this a third time!!! The Embassy should be able to assist Steve's Lawyer with an emergency contact back in the UK, so he can follow through on Steve's family behalf!!!

[cognos]

I apologize for the extraneous material earlier..God Bless all of you who care for Steve, and any unfortunates now, and going forward

[Orac]

I have deleted my own post as I was replying to Cognos and it was not the right place to do so in view of the events that have taken place.

Edited December 22, 2009 by Orac

[thunder30101]

I guess my question for all those that seem to think the bg killed him for his money argument is "Why didnt she do it along time ago ???" Why would she have to kill him when everything was in her name legally already ??? There are much better ways to get rid of someone legally other than shooting them. All we see here is a very biased report from a close friend on a tragic event. Why is it so hard for some of you to believe the other side ??? From what I have read here, I think we have a very angry man who was under the influence of alcohol at 3 am trying to break into someones home and Im willing to bet this behavior has happened before, Yeah I would have done the same thing as them at 3 am under the same circumstances.

[Cuban]

I met Steve on a few occasions in Khon Kaen sometime before the hotel was opened as I recall as he was talking about the refurbishment work, we exchanged phone numbers but neither followed up contact in the past four years. Before responding in this thread I wanted to see what my contacts in that area knew about this event.

My sources are an acquaintance of Steve living in the town and a policeman from the village where the shooting took place. The basic facts reported to me concur with the the story as laid out above with the following points. Steve was known to enjoy more than a few beers, to the point of excess drinking. It was known that domestic violence was a long term problem within their marriage and this was known by the local police. The divorce court awarded assets (car etc.) to the ex-wife and there was a loan secured on the hotel that Steve was not aware of. He was trying to get 50% of the hotel's value from his ex-wife in recent months.

Given the impossible chance of getting any money out of a situation like that I can understand the thought process that that might make 'give it one more go' seem like a good idea. However, being impaired by drinking to the point of being drunk enough to climb over a wall and the history of violent behavior with his ex-wife is a recipe for disaster.

I feel sorry that this situation was allowed to get to the point where reason by both parties was abandoned and resulted in one act of aggressive behavior (climbing a wall is not a passive way to enter a house, I assume he was met by a locked gate and not welcomed in) was met by a greater force. This is Thailand and given the witnesses and personal history any investigation would probably find self-defense as justified.

I'm sorry that Steve seemed not to have learned the lesson that has been written out many times on ThaiVisa and other forums. Hold assets such as cars etc. in your own name and property with an usufruct, saving on lawyers fees when setting up the business may have cost him his life in the end. Being drunk didn't help.

R.I.P.

[chippmunk]

A sad ending def. but lets be real here dennis what do you want the police to do ?? There is only one side of the story to be told now, heresay and friends stories do not hold weight in any court in the world, by allowing alcohol to cloud his judgement he lost his life, but honestly with the history you have told about this person it seems to me he should have figured these people out a long time ago before he spent every baht he had on them ( if you know these things about her then he must have). The same outcome would happen in any country not just thailand.

my condolences.

but this guy would have been taken anywhere, its just easier in thailand.

Ps. not all pattaya bar girls are like this .

[garyk]

I have lived here a short time, 3 years now. But have to say with the circumstances and events leading up to the killing it does not surprise me in the least.

Personally i am on my best behavior here all the time and leave at the hint of violence.

I really feel sorry for this Steve guy. Drinking and domestic violence was a mixture for this sort of thing.

I know i am going to be malled for this one. But still my advice is. Do not spend anymore than you can afford to loose. Because you will loose it sooner or later.

RIP

[Tokay]

witnessed by the motorbike taxi guy

Then it must be true. The word of a moto taxi driver is good as gold.

[thunder30101]

But the word of someone who wasnt even there is gold is that your point ???

[Tagaa]

It is sad but this scenario has been repeated over & over in the 3 years I have lived in Issan, only the names, places & value of the property change.

[MJP]

It is sad but this scenario has been repeated over & over in the 3 years I have lived in Issan, only the names, places & value of the property change.

The saddest part is the chaps that marry these girls and take them out of poverty are the nice people, real angels.

It seems like evil is endemic in this part of the world, but it isn't.

[sbk]

It is sad but this scenario has been repeated over & over in the 3 years I have lived in Issan, only the names, places & value of the property change.

The saddest part is the chaps that marry these girls and take them out of poverty are the nice people, real angels.

It seems like evil is endemic in this part of the world, but it isn't.

Angel? Did you read the thread?

[MJP]

It is sad but this scenario has been repeated over & over in the 3 years I have lived in Issan, only the names, places & value of the property change.

The saddest part is the chaps that marry these girls and take them out of poverty are the nice people, real angels.

It seems like evil is endemic in this part of the world, but it isn't.

Angel? Did you read the thread?

Oh dear. Clocked the post above. Still, those who do marry and and provide, rather than pay 20 quid and abuse . . . . you get the idea.