Red Shirts Ready To Descend On Bangkok As Planned

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Red shirts ready to descend on Bangkok as planned

BANGKOK: -- The red shirts from across the country will not be deterred by security checkpoints and plan to kick off their mass rally in Bangkok on Sunday as planned, organiser Jatuporn Promphan said on Wednesday.

Jatuporn said the government's efforts to derail the rally would fail.

He also reminded Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thuagsuban to "find a new place to live" if he abused his power in enforcing the security measures against the red shirts.

-- The Nation 2010-03-10

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[neverdie]

He also reminded Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thuagsuban to "find a new place to live" if he abused his power in enforcing the security measures against the red shirts.

Seems like a nice sort of fellow, little threats via the media, nice touch.

[siampolee]

We come in peace with our brand of demonocracy. Oops sorry, democracy

[johncitizen]

He also reminded Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thuagsuban to "find a new place to live" if he abused his power in enforcing the security measures against the red shirts.

Seems like a nice sort of fellow, little threats via the media, nice touch.

Excellent. The Abhisit government is sh*tting it's pants at the idea of recent judicial precedents being used against them. Bring on equal justice!

[neverdie]

He also reminded Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thuagsuban to "find a new place to live" if he abused his power in enforcing the security measures against the red shirts.

Seems like a nice sort of fellow, little threats via the media, nice touch.

Excellent. The Abhisit government is sh*tting it's pants at the idea of recent judicial precedents being used against them. Bring on equal justice!

No john, violence is a bad thing, irregardless of which poorly organised group is dishing it out.

[johncitizen]

He also reminded Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thuagsuban to "find a new place to live" if he abused his power in enforcing the security measures against the red shirts.

Seems like a nice sort of fellow, little threats via the media, nice touch.

Excellent. The Abhisit government is sh*tting it's pants at the idea of recent judicial precedents being used against them. Bring on equal justice!

No john, violence is a bad thing, irregardless of which poorly organised group is dishing it out.

Er, who mentioned violence, Mr. One Track?

[neverdie]

Er, who mentioned violence, Mr. One Track?

"find a new place to live" it

was in the OP. How else do you think they are going to affect that without the use of violence?

Edited March 10, 2010 by neverdie

[johncitizen]

As I said earlier- with an even handed judiciary.

[frodo]

He also reminded Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thuagsuban to "find a new place to live" if he abused his power in enforcing the security measures against the red shirts.

The same should be said to Jatuporn. If any of your reds attack, murder or attempt to sabotage the non-participants of your rally, you and your boss will spend the remainder of your day's in the Bangkok Hilton. After all, the reds and UDD have a proven record of this already.

[mazeltov]

Er, who mentioned violence, Mr. One Track?

"find a new place to live" it

was in the OP. How else do you think they are going to affect that without the use of violence?

it is ""find a new place to live" if he abused his power"

so if he abuse his power he should be somehow "removed", "looking for a new job", "time to say goodbye", or "find a new place to live" or how ever you will call it.

abuse of power should have some consequences, or not?

anyway, that little short The Nation article cannot be really the basis for a deep exegesis.

[Sunderland]

I remain neutral based on the garbage being served up on a daily basis by both sides.

I think both sides need their heads banging together and then hopefully an adult will come into the equation who has qualities such as accountability, bravery and responsibility.

There are far too many cowards making big statements and hiding behind others. I see far better behaviour from primary school kids on a daily basis.

Hopefully any violence will bring the cretinous filth on both sides of the political divide, who lead their brainwashed followers by very poor example, to their knees and a new dawn will bring in people who truly believe in taking the country, rather than themselves, forward. The chances of this occurring remain very distant.

Edited March 10, 2010 by Sunderland

[Meridian007]

As I said earlier- with an even handed judiciary.

Really? Whoever is in power makes the rules, and neither side is corruption-free. Or do you forget what "justice" was like under Thaksin?

You said:

Excellent. The Abhisit government is sh*tting it's pants at the idea of recent judicial precedents being used against them. Bring on equal justice!

In light of the article in the op, it's difficult to see the parts of your comment that I have highlighted as anything other than anticipation of violence. I hope you're wrong, and that calm heads will prevail for the next while.

Edited March 10, 2010 by Meridian007

[neverdie]

Er, who mentioned violence, Mr. One Track?

"find a new place to live" it

was in the OP. How else do you think they are going to affect that without the use of violence?

it is ""find a new place to live" if he abused his power"

so if he abuse his power he should be somehow "removed", "looking for a new job", "time to say goodbye", or "find a new place to live" or how ever you will call it.

abuse of power should have some consequences, or not?

anyway, that little short The Nation article cannot be really the basis for a deep exegesis.

it was actually "find a new place to live, if he abused his power by enforcing the new security measures on the reds"

We all know what he meant boys

Edited March 10, 2010 by neverdie

[granuaile]

Er, who mentioned violence, Mr. One Track?

"find a new place to live" it

was in the OP. How else do you think they are going to affect that without the use of violence?

it is ""find a new place to live" if he abused his power"

so if he abuse his power he should be somehow "removed", "looking for a new job", "time to say goodbye", or "find a new place to live" or how ever you will call it.

abuse of power should have some consequences, or not?

anyway, that little short The Nation article cannot be really the basis for a deep exegesis.

My read on it was a threat against him if he enforced the law and maintained order in Bangkok. I think the government is justified in using whatever measures are necessary to counter any violence that occurs.

[frodo]

Er, who mentioned violence, Mr. One Track?

"find a new place to live" it

was in the OP. How else do you think they are going to affect that without the use of violence?

it is ""find a new place to live" if he abused his power"

so if he abuse his power he should be somehow "removed", "looking for a new job", "time to say goodbye", or "find a new place to live" or how ever you will call it.

abuse of power should have some consequences, or not?

anyway, that little short The Nation article cannot be really the basis for a deep exegesis.

My read on it was a threat against him if he enforced the law and maintained order in Bangkok. I think the government is justified in using whatever measures are necessary to counter any violence that occurs.

Agreed. Unfortunately, the UDD has set up a propaganda channel opening this evening on Lat Praew. They are offering huge awards to anyone that can produce videos or photos of military or police "brutality," at which time they will forward these to the US, UK, Japan, etc. Their whining of double standards certainly applies here. My take is that they feel they have a license to do whatever with no consequences, as has happened in the past. The moment any intervention occurs, they will be crying foul.

By all means, I feel as you do. The government is certainly justified to take whatever measures they need to prevent any violence, deaths, etc. Sadly, UDD doesn't want to play by the same rules.

[bangkokrick]

Er, who mentioned violence, Mr. One Track?

"find a new place to live" it

was in the OP. How else do you think they are going to affect that without the use of violence?

it is ""find a new place to live" if he abused his power"

so if he abuse his power he should be somehow "removed", "looking for a new job", "time to say goodbye", or "find a new place to live" or how ever you will call it.

abuse of power should have some consequences, or not?

anyway, that little short The Nation article cannot be really the basis for a deep exegesis.

it was actually "find a new place to live, if he abused his power by enforcing the new security measures on the reds"

We all know what he meant boys

I read it the same way Neverdie. A definite threat.

Cheers, Rick

[tominbkk]

I think both sides need their heads banging together and then hopefully an adult will come into the equation who has qualities such as accountability, bravery and responsibility.

Hopefully any violence will bring the cretinous filth on both sides of the political divide, who lead their brainwashed followers by very poor example, to their knees and a new dawn will bring in people who truly believe in taking the country, rather than themselves, forward. The chances of this occurring remain very distant.

I find the government being extremely cautious so far, they have promised the Red Shits a place to gather and protest, providing they do it peacefully. It is the reds trying to stir it up.

[Sunderland]

Don't shoot the messenger.

Taken from Thai forum and translated into English on another forum that I am not allowed to provide a link to. If you want to search look at the news section of a forum that uses the name of the famous ruins in Cambodia, or imagine you are going 2 a forum in Bangkok.

Anyway, it lists locations of places that someone believes the UDD hardcore factions are going to plant bombs, launch or throw grenades at. Also mentions snipers around skytrain and subway stations, in addition to the 33 listed spots.

Apologies to anyone who feels upset at me posting this or believes it is scare-mongering. As I said, I am just passing on what I have read in another forum. These places may be the same as the 30-40 places the government's intelligence service has mentioned. I really don't know.

1 Supreme Court

2 Criminal Court in Ratchadaphisek ring

3 Bangkok Bank HQ at Silom

4 Bangkok Bank - Nana Branch

5 Kasikorn Thai Bank - Nana Branch

6 Siam Commercial Bank - Ratchayothin HQ and Phetburi HQ

7 Grand Place

8 Siriraj Hospital

9 Major Ratchayothin

10 Big C Rat Boorana - Southern terminal of Chao Phraya express

11 Central World - Main target for looting

12 Central Lad Phrao - Main target for looting

13 Phrannok Market

14 Minburi Market

15 Dao Khanong Market

16 Patthmawikorn Intersection

17 Arun Amarin Intersection

18 Rom Klao intersection - close to motorway and Suvarnabhumi Airport

19 Kaset - Nawamin

20 Kaset - Nawamin - Crossing Lad Pla Khao

21 Kaset - Nawamin - Crossing Pradit Manootham road.

22 Nawamin Intesection

23 Sathon Intersection (Narathiwat crossing Silom) - Chong Nonsee

24 Saladaeng Intersection to storm Chulalongkorn Hospital

25 Saphan Kwai Intersection

26 Klong Toei Intersection

27 Ram Khamhaeng road - from Lam Salee to Suwinthawongse

28 Minburi Intersection (Ram Indra Road crossing Suwinthawongse)

29 BMA Office at Giant Swing and Dindaeng

30 Lumphini Park

31 Pathumwan Princess Hotel - MBK

32 Pathumwan Vocation School - MBK

33 Uthenthawai Vocation school & possibly Chulalongkorn U.

Even if these are the places that exist on the list the government has and the UDD did have any intention of sabotage, it is highly unlikely they would be able to successfully storm or launch an attack on more than a few of these places. To successfully attack all 33 places would require an incredibly coherent strategy, a police force in retreat (possible!) and a far greater number of protesters.

Anyway, keep your eyes open and stay safe. Could yet be something or nothing.

Edited March 10, 2010 by Sunderland

[connel707]

Thaksins special message to his supporters....listen

[apex2000]

It seems that the majority of you 'yellows' assume that the 'reds' are all Thaksin supporters.

I submit that you are most likely wrong.

This story is much, much bigger than Thaksin.

It is about justice and equality.

These two things do not exist in Thailand.

We, as foreigners, have no rights politically but we are obviously allowed an opinion and the opportunity to express it on whichever forum will allow it within the rule of law.

My opinion is that if you think the 'yellows' of this country are justice-minded and fair, then you need your head examined.

In your opinion, I suppose it is fine for the 'yellows' to take over Government House and the airport and hold the country to ransom.

How many times has the verdict over the Government House takeover been postponed?

Do you think it would have been postponed if the takeover had been carried out by the 'reds'?

Justice is justice - it must be the same for one and all.

Not one law for the rich, privileged elite and another for the rest of society.

People say this is 'Thai' democracy.

Well, I say there is no such thing as 'Thai' democracy.

There is only 'democracy' and part of democracy is freedom of speech, justice and one law for all - equality.

If such things do not exist, then it is not democracy.

I do not take any side - and it would not matter if I did as I have no rights here - but the people involved in politics are worse than a bunch of jealous schoolgirls fighting over the most handsome boy - in this case money.

Even the people on this forum are 'fighting' like kids.

What is it all for?

No matter what we think, nothing changes.

No matter what happens, corruption will continue until the politicians' asses heal up.

The best way, if you want to stay here, is enjoy the food, enjoy the beer, enjoy the weather, enjoy whatever turns you on, and leave the clawing and backbiting to those who are best at it.

I'm looking forward to my weekend and I really do not care what happens at the red rally.

However, I would be really pleased if it resulted in a fair election (remember that the current government was not elected) and those in charge of running this country were those that the majority of people chose.

That is democracy.

Amen

[siampolee]

Apex I've been here for twenty years and I was a regular visitor for some 15 years prior to that. Thai democracy hasn't changed one bit over the 35 years I've known this country.

Thai democracy is all about how fat the politicians wallet is at the time of an election and how fat it will become after an election.

The affluent become more effluent.

The common man just gets fed more effluent by the effluent affluent

Edited March 10, 2010 by siampolee

[animatic]

Er, who mentioned violence, Mr. One Track?

"find a new place to live" it

was in the OP. How else do you think they are going to affect that without the use of violence?

By Thailand standards that was an unequivocal threat of violence towards Suthep from Jatuporn.

And of course Jatuporn would reserve to himself the judgment of whether Suthep "abused his authority".

hel_l, by the standards in most countries I have lived in that was a clear threat of violence.

[landofthefree]

It seems that the majority of you 'yellows' assume that the 'reds' are all Thaksin supporters.

I submit that you are most likely wrong.

This story is much, much bigger than Thaksin.

It is about justice and equality.

These two things do not exist in Thailand.

We, as foreigners, have no rights politically but we are obviously allowed an opinion and the opportunity to express it on whichever forum will allow it within the rule of law.

My opinion is that if you think the 'yellows' of this country are justice-minded and fair, then you need your head examined.

In your opinion, I suppose it is fine for the 'yellows' to take over Government House and the airport and hold the country to ransom.

How many times has the verdict over the Government House takeover been postponed?

Do you think it would have been postponed if the takeover had been carried out by the 'reds'?

Justice is justice - it must be the same for one and all.

Not one law for the rich, privileged elite and another for the rest of society.

People say this is 'Thai' democracy.

Well, I say there is no such thing as 'Thai' democracy.

There is only 'democracy' and part of democracy is freedom of speech, justice and one law for all - equality.

If such things do not exist, then it is not democracy.

I do not take any side - and it would not matter if I did as I have no rights here - but the people involved in politics are worse than a bunch of jealous schoolgirls fighting over the most handsome boy - in this case money.

Even the people on this forum are 'fighting' like kids.

What is it all for?

No matter what we think, nothing changes.

No matter what happens, corruption will continue until the politicians' asses heal up.

The best way, if you want to stay here, is enjoy the food, enjoy the beer, enjoy the weather, enjoy whatever turns you on, and leave the clawing and backbiting to those who are best at it.

I'm looking forward to my weekend and I really do not care what happens at the red rally.

However, I would be really pleased if it resulted in a fair election (remember that the current government was not elected) and those in charge of running this country were those that the majority of people chose.

That is democracy.

Amen

Apex, these are indeed words of wisdom, well put!

[chantorn]

Jatuporn Neverdie my hero.

[ozzieal]

I think both sides need their heads banging together and then hopefully an adult will come into the equation who has qualities such as accountability, bravery and responsibility.

Hopefully any violence will bring the cretinous filth on both sides of the political divide, who lead their brainwashed followers by very poor example, to their knees and a new dawn will bring in people who truly believe in taking the country, rather than themselves, forward. The chances of this occurring remain very distant.

I find the government being extremely cautious so far, they have promised the Red Shits a place to gather and protest, providing they do it peacefully. It is the reds trying to stir it up.

and they have every right, elected by the people of thailand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

get some balance in your argument

[tooninthai]

Apex I've been here for twenty years and I was a regular visitor for some 15 years prior to that. Thai democracy hasn't changed one bit over the 35 years I've known this country.

Thai democracy is all about how fat the politicians wallet is at the time of an election and how fat it will become after an election.

The affluent become more effluent.

The common man just gets fed more effluent by the effluent affluent

True words and well said.

I note that no-one really seems to care that they are all corrupt. Politicians from both sides, Police, Amphurs and so many more. And no-one wants to stop the corruption as they are happy with it. It pays for their lifestyle.

At one local election last year politicians on all sides who had money were paying people to vote so the people got paid at least twice. I heard no complaints from any side.

[surangw]

He also reminded Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thuagsuban to "find a new place to live" if he abused his power in enforcing the security measures against the red shirts.

Seems like a nice sort of fellow, little threats via the media, nice touch.

Excellent. The Abhisit government is sh*tting it's pants at the idea of recent judicial precedents being used against them. Bring on equal justice!

the mob is actually shitting in bags to fling at the police

[johncitizen]

"Don't shoot the messenger"

Here's a media release from the UDD International Media spokesperson, Sean Boonpracong.

Facebook group: http://www.facebook.com/UDDThailand

UDD Media release- For immediate release

THAILAND: THE STATE OF FEAR

George Orwell taught us that, “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act,” and in Thailand, such revolutionaries are to be done away with. The twisted path toward democracy in Thailand is littered with the bodies of the honest. Today, we recognise that these people were guilty only of refusing to remain silent- but at the time the authorities claimed they were dangerous agitators who had to be suppressed for the sake of national security. They were branded malcontents and traitors, and enemies of the Nation, Religion and the Monarchy, so as to gain the peoples silent consent as they were arrested or killed. In the land where history tends to repeat itself, these accusations remain the weapons of choice for the dictators who fear democracy.

It appears that democracy is the very thing that the Abhisit regime fears the most. It masks this reality behind a wall of deceit and a baffling array of stunts aimed at turning Thais against Thais- but people are beginning to see through their insincerity, and the wall of deceit is beginning to crumble. As the wall crumbles, so the regime becomes more fearful, and in its fear, it reveals its true nature- a right-wing military dictatorship that is as disdainful of democracy as it is of equal justice.

The United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship invites those who still believe in democracy to renounce military rule and join us in our call for immediate, internationally monitored general elections. This weekend, we will take to the streets of Bangkok armed with nothing but truth and our sincerity. We will demand an end to the era of military-aristocratic interference in our government, as well as the recognition by such forces that the People are the sovereign rulers of Thailand. We do so in the hope that there will come a time when its citizens will no longer fear oppression or disenfranchisement, but will live as free equals in a truly democratic constitutional monarchy.

If our motives are to be questioned, let those who question them come and see our rally with their own eyes. If our objectives are to be opposed, let them be opposed at the ballot box as in any other civilised nation, not through the suspension of our human rights to free speech or assembly. But if the Abhisit government is as much a puppet for a hardline military junta as we suspect, let it continue down the path it appears to have chosen. But let it not be mistaken in the belief that the Thai people will thank them for it in the end.

[jdinasia]

Please don't post the same linked drvel in every thread.

[anotherpeter]

Apex I've been here for twenty years and I was a regular visitor for some 15 years prior to that. Thai democracy hasn't changed one bit over the 35 years I've known this country.

Thai democracy is all about how fat the politicians wallet is at the time of an election and how fat it will become after an election.

The affluent become more effluent.

The common man just gets fed more effluent by the effluent affluent

True words and well said.

I note that no-one really seems to care that they are all corrupt. Politicians from both sides, Police, Amphurs and so many more. And no-one wants to stop the corruption as they are happy with it. It pays for their lifestyle.

At one local election last year politicians on all sides who had money were paying people to vote so the people got paid at least twice. I heard no complaints from any side.

The problem in Thailand is corruption, not democracy. Thaksin is the worst of them, but it happens on both sides, at all levels. A lot of Thais don't care that Thaksin was corrupt, "because everyone is".