I'm sure this might be a case of a border-officer failing to use their stamp correctly, but due to VISA cancellation yaddayadda I went on a border-run to get some more days to get organized.

The land-border way is supposed to give on 15 days.

While today I check my PP is the day I was at the border towards the date stamped in the PP is clearly 14 days.

And also, the last day is supposed to be 'exit before' giving me an in reality 13 days (while they might not charge for the 'first day' overstay anyway).

So, did I misunderstand something or did the immigration do a bo-bo?

You left and then you return and get 15 days. One of those is the day you arrive and one is the latest day you should depart. So you have 13 full days in between. If this is not so they've done you out of a day but there's sod all you can do about it once you've left the office.

You can overstay one day and they, generally but I don't think it's a guarantee, won't charge you.

Yes, 15 days permission to stay on visa exempt entry at land border with the day of entry counting as Day 1.

So one has to remember that 15 days does infact mean '13 more days before next trip'.

(I'll make it 14 anyway, too late...)

Edited March 17, 201016 yr by TAWP

Yes it's a bu66er, if you go through immigration at five to midnight that day count off your exempted stay and if you depart five minuted after midnight yo lose another whole day. I think that's only possible at the airport though, I don't think the land borders keep those kind of hours.

Or do they?

land borders aint 24 hours,,,, 8-9pm the latest

Believe the land border checkpoints at Sadao and Pedang Besar and open 24x7.

...While today I check my PP is the day I was at the border towards the date stamped in the PP is clearly 14 days.

And also, the last day is supposed to be 'exit before' giving me an in reality 13 days...

No, it means 15 days. On the arrival stamp in your passport the date of your arrival and the date until which you are permitted to stay are given in the format day, month year, eg 17 MAR 2010. If you had taken the trouble to indicate the two dates in your post it would have been much easier to explain to you how you were indeed given 15 days. And where, pray tell, does it say "exit before" on your arrival stamp? Could you scan the stamp and post it here?

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Maestro

The info on the forum has always been 'exit before' i.e. that the date in the PP is not the last day you can be here but when you should have left. You are saying this is incorrect?

I.e. if the PP says 17 March, the tourist should leave on the 16th or is infact on 1 day overstay, according to info here.

Added: And as you know, the stamp says 'admitted until'.

Edited March 18, 201016 yr by TAWP

I might be wrong - but have always understood the date stamped to mean "admitted until the end of this day". I.e. the 17th is included in admitted stay. Cheers!

The info on the forum has always been 'exit before' i.e. that the date in the PP is not the last day you can be here but when you should have left. You are saying this is incorrect?

I.e. if the PP says 17 March, the tourist should leave on the 16th or is infact on 1 day overstay, according to info here.

Added: And as you know, the stamp says 'admitted until'.

The word on the forum is "enter" before. You can exit until the end of the permitted to stay until date indicated. But you must enter before the use by/before date of the visa.

The info on the forum has always been 'exit before' i.e. that the date in the PP is not the last day you can be here but when you should have left. You are saying this is incorrect?

I.e. if the PP says 17 March, the tourist should leave on the 16th or is infact on 1 day overstay, according to info here.

Added: And as you know, the stamp says 'admitted until'.

The word on the forum is "enter" before. You can exit until the end of the permitted to stay until date indicated. But you must enter before the use by/before date of the visa.

I was referring to a 15 day VISA Exempt stamp, so no 'enter before etc. I am referring to the actual stamp in the PP upon entry.

If doing border run and obtaining visa exempt stamp on re-entry, you can exit the country on the last day of your permission to stay.

Where you have to leave the day before is in situations where looking to squeeze multiple entry Non-Immigrant visa to obtain 'extra' stay (90 days on multiple entry non-immigrant visas except multiple entry Non O-A visa where you would get 12 months). And in those situations exit would have to be the day before your visa expires at the latest, not the day before your permission to stay expires.

Thank you for clearing that up!