Red-Shirt Leaders Turn Themselves In At National Police Office

[neverdie]

I seriously doubt that this crackdown or arrests will end anything. Central World reportedly on fire. So is Century Park Hotel. Here are some photos of Ubon: http://memock.wordpress.com/ a while ago. Khon Khaen riots in the streets. As well as Chiang Mai. Government building burning in Udon Thani.

Its a good start.

For civil war ?

Something any new prime minister should be proud of .... starting up a civil war.

Way to go Abhisit

Wern't you just a moment ago critising other posters of being clueless? Seem's you may have just missed a clue yourself........the unlawful seige of Bkk is over.

[ozzieman05]

SKY: Thai army declares end to operation against protesters, says troops are in control of capital http://bit.ly/902hB1

Have the Thai army got Mr Bean assessing the situation? In control of the capital? LOL! The Reds haven't even started their fight yet. End the operation? Why? Do the army think they've won because they've arrested some key Red leaders? Do they think the Reds only listen to these leaders in custody? They still don't know the Reds are fighting for a cause. How blind can a government and the Yellow movement be?

Once the head is gone

Its all over but the clean up

they are a mob

get courage from being a mob

there will be those that fight on

but with out the mob influence most will go back to what they did before

[CHdiver]

Seeing whats going on now I think the Leaders did turn them self in because they could not control the masses anymore. So at least they can not be made responsible for what happens now. However the cooling the Red Shirts down after heating them up for a long time may have been a little short. But hey, you cant know everything beforehand.

[maccaroni man]

Mate,go back to sleep and try again when you wake up

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You say they have killed dozen of innocent unarmed protesters,thats a non starter really isnt it as i could mention all the attatcks previously on innocent bangkok civilians who is resposible for their deaths then ?

So Abhisit and Suthep are no longer responsible for their involvment in the deaths over the last few days because........ some other people were killed by someone else previously ?

Since when are armed terrorists and insurgents considered "innocent civilians"?

Oh, so the italian reporter who got killed by the army is now an armed terrorist ?

there has been a report that the reds have declared to hunt down all media so who can prove the italian was killed by the govt? as far as this spreading throught bkk and thailand, i think we have seen already where in bkk the reds can set up without grief and that is in their own ghetto, when they tried to set up at the R uni they were run off by the locals, so if it does spread it will be in their own back yard where it belongs.

Now ive heard it all.

[BigBikeBKK]

Mate,go back to sleep and try again when you wake up

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You say they have killed dozen of innocent unarmed protesters,thats a non starter really isnt it as i could mention all the attatcks previously on innocent bangkok civilians who is resposible for their deaths then ?

So Abhisit and Suthep are no longer responsible for their involvment in the deaths over the last few days because........ some other people were killed by someone else previously ?

Since when are armed terrorists and insurgents considered "innocent civilians"?

Oh, so the italian reporter who got killed by the army is now an armed terrorist ?

Now ive heard it all.

You think the Thai Army is TARGETING journalists? Have ANY facts to back up that ludicrous accusation?

The red shirts are targeting journalists- it's quite well documented already. Where do you get your news?!

Here's just the most recent example:

TAN: INN: Dindaeng red-shirt protesters announce independence from main gathering and said it will hunt down members of the press.

[alby1234]

Abphisit has won for now. But it's not the end yet. He's won by tanks and military back up, not by the peace talk or negotiation. If he is a decent and honest man, he must keep his promise of new election, regardless the predictable outcome that he and his party will lose. MUST RESPECT THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION. The whole thing is not settled until the majority of Thais' voice are heard and taken very seriously. Abphisit may not turn his back to these rural poor, not any more. Political reform and education to all Thais must be his first priority To prevent another uprising. Red shirts for sure will regroup and be back. They are not done.

The whole world is watching. Abphisit and the army is using the same tactics as being used in Tiennamen Square 20 years ago to disperse and suppress its own people.

What do you mean "RESPECT THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION"? Wasn't the government that is in there now democratically elected?? the reds didn't seem to have a problem with disrespecting this outcome!!!

[JacknDanny]

5 red-shirt leaders brought to undisclosed location; Jatuporn uses MP status to provide immunity from charges

http://twitter.com/TAN_Network

I hope and pray that there is a way around diplomatic immunity for that smarmy fat git Jatuporn

Does anyone have an indepth knowledge of Thai law that would give exemptions to Diplomatic Immunity.

Ways and Means Act of 2010 sounds good to me.

[k1w1]

All the reds: time to shut up now you terrorists losers,

An attitude like that (on both sides) is what led to all this chaos in the first place. Good will towards the seemingly deafeated enemy is what we need. If the "winners" don't reach out to the "losers" right now and instead prefer to beat on the Reds while they are down, this circle of violence will soon start over. Jail all radical leaders, especially the ones now on the run, push ahead with the yellow's trials as well to signal people that double standards are no longer tolerated, involve the red leaders that have some sense in them in the reconciliation process and treat them as equals in as much as possible.

If even for the moderates the only choices are jail for life or taking the fight underground for Thaksin there wont be any progress. There has to be an open door for anyone (yellwo or red) who honestly wants to make a joined effort for Thailands future without stirring up hate.

That would be my recipe for Thailand's future. The time of the hardliners on both sides is over, unless we want to see this repeated very soon.

They know all this already. There is no interest in making this happen. It's a global issue not a localised Thai problem. They want the poor people to kill each other to cut down on the population. They want a reason to kill them too so they can justify a massive killing spree when it happens.

Utter garbage...you should seek medical help!

You can deny reality but that will not change the consequences of reality...

The world is on the brink of a resource crunch, global energy consumption is still rising while energy production is in decline due to peak oil and coal reserves being passed or in the process of being passed. Population in growing exponetially at a 7% which means that every 10 years we effectively double the worlds population. By 2020 there will be 12billion people in this world at the current rate of growth. That means that with energy resources in decline we will have to share the dwindling amount of energy with twice as many people as we do today.

If you do the math you will see the reality of the current situation.

The solution the heriditary elite are pushing for is population control. Cleary one child policy is failing as chinas population is still growing. India is growing even faster than china. Where are all these people going to live when they run out of resources in their home countries? The obvious answer is they will die or migrate across the porous borders.

At current rates of growth Thailand will have 120million citizens by 2020. Who's gonna feed them and give them work when there isn't enough to go around now?

Wakey wakey, dream time is over.

[sgtpeppers]

Does anyone know what happened to the Yellow Shirt leaders, after they closed the airport in Dec 2008? I have not heard of any of them serving jail sentences right now (I could be wrong) if so, seems a bit unfair to me that they can close down the airport and get away scott free. Or could be something to do with the fact that their side came into government afterwards, so they escaped punishment?

It will be interesting to see what happens to the Red Shirt leaders

Yup, its pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain cell to see what is really going on, and the real reason why this pathetic government is holding on to power.

So what you are saying is that you can see what is really going on because you are armed with Half a brain cell?

Thanks for re-enforcing my point !

[WillArzonia]

I am happy those leaders came to their senses and did the right thing, both for their own followers and the other people of Thailand. I hope they get a fair trial and sentence.

like the yellow shirt leaders have??

You can somehow compare what the 'yellows' did with what the 'reds' have done so that's interesting in itself. But what is your point about the 'yellow shirt leaders?'

No, you cannot. The damages inflicted by the reds to this country is far more important that what the yellows did

Agree 100% - that was my point - how can he/she compare what the 'yellows' did with this? That he/she could stunned me

[Ireland2010]

It's not over til the fat lady sings. See what's going on at Udon Thani city hall, the crackdown has unleashed a monster of dissatisfaction which will go underground and the only way to return peace is a change in those in power.

Confrontations where both sides have each other by the neck are excellent opportunities to force both sides into a peace agreement. The reds now seem defeated in this battle but not the overall war and now have no reason to agree to any roadmap or long-term peace overtures. They will simply go away and regroup, learning from this lesson, while the govt itself might never recover in the long term having apparently murdered 50 people.

So, what next? A low level terrorist campaign against the govt that is based more on angst and revenge rather than forcing an election, therefore becoming unsolveable, an 'unseen' enemy which you can't negotiate with, and eventually an election which hands power to an equally terrible lot without either side doing anything to resolve the underlying problems and finding common agreement on rules for clean political engagement.

The PT are going to virtually bring parliamentary sessions to a standstill with their stubborn insistence that the govt take responsibility, meanwhile the investigation and charge against the instigators in this will not be able to proceed so long as it's queueing up behind the prosecution of 'yellow leaders'.

Good old Thailand, don't find solutions, just fight and find lose-lose options.

A very accurate assessment of the situation

[brianb1944]

Shame on this government, Thailand is back to middle age !

One post too many bpa

[neverdie]

Everything else, not funny at all.

Som Nom Na, lilredkitty

[xenomorph]

Would be interesting to know which regular ID:s all these newly created ID:s here belongs to.

Seems like a several red-shirt supporters in here tends to use newly ID:s just to hide their regular ones. What are you afraid of? Why can't you stand by your word and not cowardly hide behind newly created signatures? Is this an honest way to stand for "democracy"?

[brianb1944]

Does anyone know what happened to the Yellow Shirt leaders, after they closed the airport in Dec 2008? I have not heard of any of them serving jail sentences right now (I could be wrong) if so, seems a bit unfair to me that they can close down the airport and get away scott free. Or could be something to do with the fact that their side came into government afterwards, so they escaped punishment?

It will be interesting to see what happens to the Red Shirt leaders

Yup, its pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain cell to see what is really going on, and the real reason why this pathetic government is holding on to power.

So what you are saying is that you can see what is really going on because you are armed with Half a brain cell?

Thanks for re-enforcing my point !

Yup half a brain cell

[sgtpeppers]

I seriously doubt that this crackdown or arrests will end anything. Central World reportedly on fire. So is Century Park Hotel. Here are some photos of Ubon: http://memock.wordpress.com/ a while ago. Khon Khaen riots in the streets. As well as Chiang Mai. Government building burning in Udon Thani.

Its a good start.

For civil war ?

Something any new prime minister should be proud of .... starting up a civil war.

Way to go Abhisit

Wern't you just a moment ago critising other posters of being clueless? Seem's you may have just missed a clue yourself........the unlawful seige of Bkk is over.

wow you seem so proud of yourself what a great clue you should be a detective for the thai police

[ridgydidge]

"Please heed my call for an end to the rally so that we can continue fighting to advance democracy for the future," he said.

PRICELESS quote......continue fighting to advance democracy, yeah right. PATHETIC attempt. next?

Funnier still, this government boycotted an election, most probably will get caught out for electoral fraud shortly, are responsible for killing dozens of unarmed protesters and unarmed foriegn reporters, muzzle the media, got into power via a parlimentary deal rather then through elections , and only because the opposition was disqualified for a cooking show. And the most ironic thing of all, is that these people call themselves the DEMOCRATS !

At least the foriegn media for the most part knows that this goverment is full of sh## , pity some of the expats are still clueless though.

Many of the expats that live in Thailand and never learn the language don't really have a clue whats going on. They're just pissed that Nana was shut down!

With the government controling the media and putting out anti Thaksin statements continuosly its hard not to be braiwashed by it eventually. I myself fell victim of it untill I started digging deeper.

The truth is Thaksin was becoming so powerfull that another 'very powerfull' figure in Thailand became upset by it, hence the 2006 coup.

All the problems in Thailand are because a group of people want to keep Thailand in the dark ages. Now who could that be???

WHO? WHO? Like in the Harry Potter moveis... He who must not be named!!

[yoshiwara]

Shame on this government, Thailand is back to middle age !

hello!

A new red friend.

'Thailand is back to middle age'

Almost funny.

[brahmburgers]

Abphisit has won for now. But it's not the end yet. He's won by tanks and military back up, not by the peace talk or negotiation. If he is a decent and honest man, he must keep his promise of new election, regardless the predictable outcome that he and his party will lose. MUST RESPECT THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION. The whole thing is not settled until the majority of Thais' voice are heard and taken very seriously. Abphisit may not turn his back to these rural poor, not any more. Political reform and education to all Thais must be his first priority To prevent another uprising. Red shirts for sure will regroup and be back. They are not done. The whole world is watching. Abphisit and the army is using the same tactics as being used in Tiennamen Square 20 years ago to disperse and suppress its own people.

Did you have your tin pot hat on while writing that rant above? The Reds have already proven they can't abide by a fair election or campaigning (they don't even know what that is). They've actively threatened bodily harm to anyone who comes to their regions to campaign. If, even after doling out harassment, the Reds lose, you can be sure they'll make a big ugly fuss again - with violent rallies, etc.

Abhisit is under no compulsion to have early elections. He probably will offer that, however, because he's too nice of a guy. The Reds gambled with turning down both of A's generous offers, and chose to riot instead. They gambled and lost. Losers don't get their way.

Edited May 19, 2010 by brahmburgers

[yoshiwara]

SKY: Thai army declares end to operation against protesters, says troops are in control of capital http://bit.ly/902hB1

Have the Thai army got Mr Bean assessing the situation? In control of the capital? LOL! The Reds haven't even started their fight yet. End the operation? Why? Do the army think they've won because they've arrested some key Red leaders? Do they think the Reds only listen to these leaders in custody? They still don't know the Reds are fighting for a cause. How blind can a government and the Yellow movement be?

You so right this is a cause.

The Thaksin cause.

So even when the Red leaders have been arrested and the bank accounts of Thaksin and his cronies have been frozen, you still think they're ONLY fighting for Thaksin? OMG! How blind can these pro government people be?

What was in the suitcases when he left Thailand.

Dirty underwear?

[ThisIsMadness]

Mate,go back to sleep and try again when you wake up

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You say they have killed dozen of innocent unarmed protesters,thats a non starter really isnt it as i could mention all the attatcks previously on innocent bangkok civilians who is resposible for their deaths then ?

So Abhisit and Suthep are no longer responsible for their involvment in the deaths over the last few days because........ some other people were killed by someone else previously ?

Great, thanks for your input. Go back to sleep.

Yes go back to sleep and take your blinkers off as I have more faith in Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch who are pretty scathing about the hard handed military approach which has resulted in so many deaths. If this was happening in China all you government sympathisers would be blaming the communist state and not the majority of innocent protesters putting thier lives on the line for long lasting political security and change. Shame on you!

And what do you know about amnesty international,is this the organisation that recently fired one of its staff recently for criticizing the taliban on its human rights record.Or as a well respected writer recently remarks

"It looks very much as if Amnesty’s leadership is suffering from a kind of moral bankruptcy, and has lost the ability to distinguish right from wrong".

I am sorry to say ,you have no idea about Amnesty or HRW

Please research your subjects,before making statements that are in effect meaningless

[whybother]

Does anyone know what happened to the Yellow Shirt leaders, after they closed the airport in Dec 2008? I have not heard of any of them serving jail sentences right now (I could be wrong) if so, seems a bit unfair to me that they can close down the airport and get away scott free. Or could be something to do with the fact that their side came into government afterwards, so they escaped punishment?

It will be interesting to see what happens to the Red Shirt leaders

When the yellow shirts stopped their rally at the airport, they stopped it voluntarily, they didn't get violent and throw grenades everywhere, the airport was running again with in 2 days, and the leaders were charged and went to court.

The yellows didn't start burning the airport. The yellows around the country didn't burn government buildings.

What the yellows did was illegal and extremely bad for Thai tourism and the economy.

What the yellows did pales in significance to what the reds are doing now.

[Just another BOF]

One major difference between the Red Shirts and Yellow Shirt demonstrationas is that he Yellow shirts had the tacit support of the army and establishment. It is far easier to protest peacefully when you are not under any threat.

If, as is likely, revenge is the driving force behind whatever happens to the reds, then, economically, Thailand will go the way of Burma (which was once the second strongest economy ib S.E. Asia).

As it is I don't think the outlook for Thailand is rosy even if common sense prevails. Thaksin isn't the only person with ill - gotten gains to protect.

[brianb1944]

Friendly reminder to the red horde, it's pillage THEN burn, you idiots started right away with the torching.

Who's this red horde your refering to? We all want peace and not the murder of innocents by a well armed security force. Okay a few buildings on fire, who cares? Life has more value than bricks and morter and I'd be pretty pissed if an unarmed family member was gunned down indiscriminately by the military. Get it in perspective!

Its your perspective that is sadly distorted, there are no innocents involved in rioting, looting and arson,armed or not

[angiud]

There is no proof that the Italian reporter was killed by friendly fire

[yoshiwara]

"Please heed my call for an end to the rally so that we can continue fighting to advance democracy for the future," he said.

PRICELESS quote......continue fighting to advance democracy, yeah right. PATHETIC attempt. next?

Funnier still, this government boycotted an election, most probably will get caught out for electoral fraud shortly, are responsible for killing dozens of unarmed protesters and unarmed foriegn reporters, muzzle the media, got into power via a parlimentary deal rather then through elections , and only because the opposition was disqualified for a cooking show. And the most ironic thing of all, is that these people call themselves the DEMOCRATS !

At least the foriegn media for the most part knows that this goverment is full of sh## , pity some of the expats are still clueless though.

Many of the expats that live in Thailand and never learn the language don't really have a clue whats going on. They're just pissed that Nana was shut down!

With the government controling the media and putting out anti Thaksin statements continuosly its hard not to be braiwashed by it eventually. I myself fell victim of it untill I started digging deeper.

The truth is Thaksin was becoming so powerfull that another 'very powerfull' figure in Thailand became upset by it, hence the 2006 coup.

All the problems in Thailand are because a group of people want to keep Thailand in the dark ages. Now who could that be???

WHO? WHO? Like in the Harry Potter moveis... He who must not be named!!

Yes, we know where you are coming from.

But now you are reduced to torching shopping centres.

And revenge.

[reenatinnakor]

dam_n. Does that mean the sex tourists will come flooding back again? And house prices will go back up?

[MGiacomoCM]

You sound like a decent fellow. I can't say the same about me. Maybe it's the heat of the moment, but I'd like to see the Red leaders and the combatants get the book thrown at them. No leniency.

Ha Ha... I guess there's time for both 'decent' and 'non-decent' fellows. You NEED hardliners to get things like this done, but afterwards decisions have to be made by more cool-headed folks if don't want things to go down the drain. Just as western history shows neither uncompromising action nor peace talks in goodwill alone lead to long term stability. You need both.

[yoshiwara]

Friendly reminder to the red horde, it's pillage THEN burn, you idiots started right away with the torching.

Who's this red horde your refering to? We all want peace and not the murder of innocents by a well armed security force. Okay a few buildings on fire, who cares? Life has more value than bricks and morter and I'd be pretty pissed if an unarmed family member was gunned down indiscriminately by the military. Get it in perspective!

Its your perspective that is sadly distorted, there are no innocents involved in rioting, looting and arson,armed or not

They never wanted peace.

Just a propaganda tool.

Now they taste defeat.

Not in the Thaksin script.

Oh dear.

[givenall]

This is the end for the RED.

This is the end for Thaksin.

This is the end for TRT/PPP/PT.

This is the end of Thai democracy fight.

.

It is unfortunate for a lot of regular people, but I think one of the reason why the Government acted slowly was to make sure everyone know about the Red and Thaksin movement, which is nothing about democracy. So ever if the election to be held today they will lose miserably, especially now their money is frozen and they can buy votes