Thaksin - Will Interpol Act?

[sgtpeppers]

No suprise really. Only a few working braincells are needed to realise the arrest warrant is political.

Even inanimate objects know that Thaksin was funding and leading the reds.

Do you have proof ? Didn't think so.

Edited May 30, 2010 by sgtpeppers

[whybother]

No suprise really. Only a few working braincells are needed to realise the arrest warrant is political.

Even inanimate objects know that Thaksin was funding and leading the reds.

Do you have proof ? Didn't think so.

The fact that Thaksin has been charged means that the government must have plenty of evidence.

[sgtpeppers]

Actually Abhisit should be the one with a terrorism arrest warrant, since he was the one who was responsible for the assasination and murder of 80+ Thai people.

[sgtpeppers]

No suprise really. Only a few working braincells are needed to realise the arrest warrant is political.

Even inanimate objects know that Thaksin was funding and leading the reds.

Do you have proof ? Didn't think so.

The fact that Thaksin has been charged means that the government must have plenty of evidence.

Thanks for the laugh.

[jdinasia]

Do you have proof ? Didn't think so.

The fact that Thaksin has been charged means that the government must have plenty of evidence.

From Yesterday's closed news thread

Meanwhile, Al Jazeera recently reported that the Thai Criminal Court has approved the issuance of the arrest warrant for the former PM on the charges of terrorism.

The foreign press revealed that the court's decision was based on substantive evidence that Thaksin had displayed suspicious behavior, verbally threatened, and supported the recent terrorist acts in Thailand.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?s=...t&p=3650565

[sgtpeppers]

The thing with terrorism charges is that it won't matter if it has political overtones if the warrant is based upon substantive evidence.

Yes, they must have had a great deal of "substantive evidence"

and that must be why Interpol and other international observers have basically laughed off Abhisits politically motivated arrest warrent.

... all that "substantive evidence"

[jdinasia]

The thing with terrorism charges is that it won't matter if it has political overtones if the warrant is based upon substantive evidence.

Yes, they must have had a great deal of "substantive evidence"

and that must be why Interpol and other international observers have basically laughed off Abhisits politically motivated arrest warrent.

... all that "substantive evidence"

Hmmm a is that a lie I smell? No request for an international arrest warrant has been made yet to the best of my knowledge so obviously nothing has been "laughed off".

The ink isn't even dry on the arrest warrant.

But it is nice to see you discredit yourself by taking your shots at possibly the only balanced international reporting that went on in Thailand

BTW -- did you ever answer the question "What country are you posting from?"

[rabo]

No suprise really. Only a few working braincells are needed to realise the arrest warrant is political.

Even inanimate objects know that Thaksin was funding and leading the reds.

Do you have proof ? Didn't think so.

To bad Seh Daeng had just started explaining all about Thaksin's involvement and their plans to fight when someone blew his head off.

[jdinasia]

No suprise really. Only a few working braincells are needed to realise the arrest warrant is political.

Even inanimate objects know that Thaksin was funding and leading the reds.

Do you have proof ? Didn't think so.

To bad Seh Daeng had just started explaining all about Thaksin's involvement and their plans to fight when someone blew his head off.

It isn't exactly a secret that the US gave Thailand information regarding financial transfers and probably signals intercepts as well (communications). This plus public statements of various people including Thaksin himself as well as Sae Daeng and others is substantive enough for an arrest warrant and a trial.

[rabo]

Do you have proof ? Didn't think so.

To bad Seh Daeng had just started explaining all about Thaksin's involvement and their plans to fight when someone blew his head off.

It isn't exactly a secret that the US gave Thailand information regarding financial transfers and probably signals intercepts as well (communications). This plus public statements of various people including Thaksin himself as well as Sae Daeng and others is substantive enough for an arrest warrant and a trial.

Actually, it's beyond obvious. Here's a picture of the reds burning the whole city, here's the video of their leaders reading a list of targets. Here's the video of the leaders telling them to do it. Here's Seh Daeng telling everyone that he and Thaksin run the show along with the three leaders in the video.

The US likely does have communications because they have understood the players all along. Seeing the city burn, they may be willing to turn over such information. If anything, the Thais probably have to much.

Edited May 30, 2010 by rabo

[elliss]

Thailand has come the laughing stock of the western world. Charging him as a terrorist because he made speeches to the Red Shirts against the government is not terrorisms.

That's probably a bit much. But I don't think anyone who has looked into recent court rulings by the Supreme Court believe that Thailand has an independent judicial branch anymore.

If the Thai government is serious and they actually have proof of crimes, why don't they ask for Thaksin to be tried in an international court? But they don't have any. If they did, it would be posted all over the Internet already.

on BBC news yesterday ,

no request , has been made to INTERPOL ,

to arrest thaskin .

no suprise ,, if thaskin is brought back to thailand for a trial ,

then execution ,, the war , really starts ... bye

[sgtpeppers]

BTW -- did you ever answer the question "What country are you posting from?"

France...

What country are you posting from ?

[jdinasia]

BTW -- did you ever answer the question "What country are you posting from?"

France...

What country are you posting from ?

hmmmm Jerry?

All you need to do to see where I am posting from is look at the left side of my posts

And yes being outside of Thailand does make a difference ... just like not speaking the language does make a difference

[sgtpeppers]

No request will be made, the message from interpol is pretty clear - they won't be used for politically motivated reasons.

Abhisit will probably back off, but if he does push ahead its highly likely that the request will get formally rejected. Interpol is not stupid, they see what is really going on.

[sgtpeppers]

BTW -- did you ever answer the question "What country are you posting from?"

France...

What country are you posting from ?

hmmmm Jerry?

All you need to do to see where I am posting from is look at the left side of my posts

And yes being outside of Thailand does make a difference ... just like not speaking the language does make a difference

Indeed. Clearly this forum is proof that it does make a difference if you are exposed to goverment propaganda 24/7 and information on the net that doesnt support the governemtns grip is blocked

Btw, I can speak several languages fluently, Thai is one of them.

[jdinasia]

No request will be made, the message from interpol is pretty clear - they won't be used for politically motivated reasons.

Abhisit will probably back off, but if he does push ahead its highly likely that the request will get formally rejected. Interpol is not stupid, they see what is really going on.

No... There has been no message from Interpol about the Terrorism charge. They will not allow an excuse of "political motivation" when dealing with substantive evidence of terrorism.

As for your next post .... "yeah right"

[mazeltov]

Do they get to lock Thaksin up regardless of whether they get a conviction of terrorism? Yes. Does that mean they can proceed with the approximately 19 outstanding cases against Thaksin that require his presence in court at least once to proceed? Yes

Do you know of any definitive list of the outstanding charges against Thaksin JD? I haven't been able to find one.

Not sure how definitive this list is w2mc, but it came up in a thread last year and was said to have been sourced from The BP:

Acts of dishonesty:

1. (Purchase of land worth 772 million baht from the Bank of Thailand's Financial Institutions Development Fund.) - dealt with

2. Purchase of rubber saplings worth 1.44 billion baht by the Department of Agriculture, Ministry of Agriculture and Co-operatives.

3. Purchase of luggage conveyor belts and CTX 9000 bomb scanners.

Damage to state: 1.5 billion baht.

4. Issuance of two and three-digit lottery tickets by the Government Lottery Bureau.

Damage to state: 37.790 billion baht. +

5. Loans by Krung Thai Bank executives.

Damage to state: 5.185 billion baht.

Abuse of power to accumulate unusual wealth:

1. Change in agreement on revenue sharing for prepaid mobile phone services to benefit Advanced Info Service (AIS).

Damage to state: 71.667 billion baht.

2. Change in agreement on the rate of revenue sharing between TOT and AIS.

Damage to state: 700 million baht.

3. Issuing of an executive decree on telecommunications excise taxes, and a cabinet resolution turning concession fees into excise taxes.

Damage to state: 30.667 billion baht.

4. Instructing TOT to rent and invest unnecessarily in the satellite frequency of Shin Satellite.

Damage to state: 700 million baht.

5. Ordering Exim Bank to allow the Burmese government to draw loans amounting to 1 billion baht in order to buy products and services from Shin Satellite.

6. Using international trade negotiations to trade national interests for those of the satellite businesses of Shin Corp, adding considerable business value to Shin Satellite.

:facedesk:

its sourced from BP aka bpamela as in Pamela B.  and is nothing more than yellow trash propaganda but not actually some 'oustanding cases'

http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/bpamela/2009/06/12/entry-1

[mazeltov]

 

No request will be made, the message from interpol is pretty clear - they won't be used for politically motivated reasons.

Abhisit will probably back off, but if he does push ahead its highly likely that the request will get formally rejected. Interpol is not stupid, they see what is really going on.

No... There has been no message from Interpol about the Terrorism charge. They will not allow an excuse of "political motivation" when dealing with substantive evidence of terrorism.

As for your next post .... "yeah right"

 dream on. 5555

edit. changed a double post to a new entry.

Edited May 30, 2010 by mazeltov

[rixalex]

Not sure how definitive this list is w2mc, but it came up in a thread last year and was said to have been sourced from The BP:

Acts of dishonesty:

1. (Purchase of land worth 772 million baht from the Bank of Thailand's Financial Institutions Development Fund.) - dealt with

2. Purchase of rubber saplings worth 1.44 billion baht by the Department of Agriculture, Ministry of Agriculture and Co-operatives.

3. Purchase of luggage conveyor belts and CTX 9000 bomb scanners.

Damage to state: 1.5 billion baht.

4. Issuance of two and three-digit lottery tickets by the Government Lottery Bureau.

Damage to state: 37.790 billion baht. +

5. Loans by Krung Thai Bank executives.

Damage to state: 5.185 billion baht.

Abuse of power to accumulate unusual wealth:

1. Change in agreement on revenue sharing for prepaid mobile phone services to benefit Advanced Info Service (AIS).

Damage to state: 71.667 billion baht.

2. Change in agreement on the rate of revenue sharing between TOT and AIS.

Damage to state: 700 million baht.

3. Issuing of an executive decree on telecommunications excise taxes, and a cabinet resolution turning concession fees into excise taxes.

Damage to state: 30.667 billion baht.

4. Instructing TOT to rent and invest unnecessarily in the satellite frequency of Shin Satellite.

Damage to state: 700 million baht.

5. Ordering Exim Bank to allow the Burmese government to draw loans amounting to 1 billion baht in order to buy products and services from Shin Satellite.

6. Using international trade negotiations to trade national interests for those of the satellite businesses of Shin Corp, adding considerable business value to Shin Satellite.

:facedesk:

its sourced from BP aka bpamela as in Pamela B. and is nothing more than yellow trash propaganda but not actually some 'oustanding cases'

http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/bpamela/2009/06/12/entry-1

I can't (and am not) making any claims as to how accurate the list is. What i do know for certain is that there are a large number of outstanding cases against Thaksin that have been stalled by his cowardly fleeing act.

That a red supporter rushes to rubbish the list neither surprises me nor makes me any more certain as to its accuracy.

Perhaps you could enlighten us as to what the outstanding cases against Thaksin are. I assume you must know...

[NaiGreg]

Btw, I can speak several languages fluently, Thai is one of them.

You do not speak Thai fluently.

[LaoPo]

No request will be made, the message from interpol is pretty clear - they won't be used for politically motivated reasons.

Abhisit will probably back off, but if he does push ahead its highly likely that the request will get formally rejected. Interpol is not stupid, they see what is really going on.

They will not allow an excuse of "political motivation" when dealing with substantive evidence of terrorism.

Is there any link where this "substantive evidence" can be seen (or read) or do you have any idea if there is indeed evidence that the Thai authorities have and will send (or maybe already have sent) to Interpol ?

Did the government already show this evidence to the -Thai and/or International- Press and if so what exactly is/was the evidence ?

Were this clear documents in black-and-white from Banks for instance, proving that money was transfered from Thaksin's accounts to other Thai entities or individuals ?

I ask so because I have no idea about this so called evidence that everybody is talking about.

LaoPo

[Humungus]

No suprise really. Only a few working braincells are needed to realise the arrest warrant is political.

Terrorism is often a political offense. The Thai extradition act also prevents a person from being extradited for political offenses, however there are some exceptions.

1. extradition would not otherwise be contrary to Thai law and the offense is not political or military in nature (political offenses do not include the commission of an act of violence against the King, Queen or the Heir-Apparent or any head of state, government leader or member of a family of any of them or the commission of any crime not defined as a political offense under any applicable extradition treaty),

Fortunately Thaksin doesn't seem to have many working braincells and has committed crimes that are serious enough to extradite him for. If there is evidence that he organized and funded terrorist attacks I don't think many countries will be eager to protect him.

[chantorn]

No suprise really. Only a few working braincells are needed to realise the arrest warrant is political.

Terrorism is often a political offense. The Thai extradition act also prevents a person from being extradited for political offenses, however there are some exceptions.

1. extradition would not otherwise be contrary to Thai law and the offense is not political or military in nature (political offenses do not include the commission of an act of violence against the King, Queen or the Heir-Apparent or any head of state, government leader or member of a family of any of them or the commission of any crime not defined as a political offense under any applicable extradition treaty),

Fortunately Thaksin doesn't seem to have many working braincells and has committed crimes that are serious enough to extradite him for. If there is evidence that he organized and funded terrorist attacks I don't think many countries will be eager to protect him.

Terrorist = Freedom fighter.

The different is which side you are with.

[chantorn]

No request will be made, the message from interpol is pretty clear - they won't be used for politically motivated reasons.

Abhisit will probably back off, but if he does push ahead its highly likely that the request will get formally rejected. Interpol is not stupid, they see what is really going on.

They will not allow an excuse of "political motivation" when dealing with substantive evidence of terrorism.

Is there any link where this "substantive evidence" can be seen (or read) or do you have any idea if there is indeed evidence that the Thai authorities have and will send (or maybe already have sent) to Interpol ?

Did the government already show this evidence to the -Thai and/or International- Press and if so what exactly is/was the evidence ?

Were this clear documents in black-and-white from Banks for instance, proving that money was transfered from Thaksin's accounts to other Thai entities or individuals ?

I ask so because I have no idea about this so called evidence that everybody is talking about.

LaoPo

I think Kasit has misplace Interpol fax number.

[Humungus]

If the opposition parties do well, they will demand a general election. Mr Luksic, who is widely seen as a possible successor if Mr Djukanovic steps down (as he has repeatedly promised), perhaps next year, is against that. He suggests one bright way to lift the gloom: to persuade Thaksin Shinawatra, a billionaire former Thai prime minister who has now become a citizen of Montenegro, to invest. We are rich in opportunities, Mr Luksic insists. But before most foreign investors will be prepared to take any of them up, his country needs to do more to improve its reputation.

http://www.economist.com/world/europe/disp...ory_id=16063930

Looks like the Montenegroes need cash as much as the red shirts, sorry reds but if Thaksin wants to stay in Montenegro looks like they want his cash, so no more for you.

[kissdani]

To bad Seh Daeng had just started explaining all about Thaksin's involvement and their plans to fight when someone blew his head off.

It isn't exactly a secret that the US gave Thailand information regarding financial transfers and probably signals intercepts as well (communications). This plus public statements of various people including Thaksin himself as well as Sae Daeng and others is substantive enough for an arrest warrant and a trial.

Public statements from Seh Daeng? He said that the black shirts with the guns were send by a secret government operation to create evidence to blame the red shirt people. He said furthermore that the security forces used snipers on April 10 to kill reds shirt protesters.

The US gave Thailand information regarding financial transfers and also taped the communication of the red shirts and Thaksin?

Can i read the full story somewhere? Do you have a link to a source?

[rabo]

No request will be made, the message from interpol is pretty clear - they won't be used for politically motivated reasons.

Abhisit will probably back off, but if he does push ahead its highly likely that the request will get formally rejected. Interpol is not stupid, they see what is really going on.

They will not allow an excuse of "political motivation" when dealing with substantive evidence of terrorism.

Is there any link where this "substantive evidence" can be seen (or read) or do you have any idea if there is indeed evidence that the Thai authorities have and will send (or maybe already have sent) to Interpol ?

Did the government already show this evidence to the -Thai and/or International- Press and if so what exactly is/was the evidence ?

Were this clear documents in black-and-white from Banks for instance, proving that money was transfered from Thaksin's accounts to other Thai entities or individuals ?

I ask so because I have no idea about this so called evidence that everybody is talking about.

LaoPo

The evidence would all be at DSI. Criminal evidence is rarely made public unless courts or prosecution do it to benefit the case. Extradition is not a matter of public opinion. Police, Interpol, and foreign governments will decide whatever they decide based on evidence provided in the case and pretty much ignore the public media.

The Thais might eventually make some public purely of local Thai consumption.

There were a few news articles in February/March about the government looking into large sums of money transferred over a 6 month period to a number of bogus recipients, some with identical addresses, but no detail.

Edited May 30, 2010 by rabo

[jdinasia]

No request will be made, the message from interpol is pretty clear - they won't be used for politically motivated reasons.

Abhisit will probably back off, but if he does push ahead its highly likely that the request will get formally rejected. Interpol is not stupid, they see what is really going on.

They will not allow an excuse of "political motivation" when dealing with substantive evidence of terrorism.

Is there any link where this "substantive evidence" can be seen (or read) or do you have any idea if there is indeed evidence that the Thai authorities have and will send (or maybe already have sent) to Interpol ?

Did the government already show this evidence to the -Thai and/or International- Press and if so what exactly is/was the evidence ?

Were this clear documents in black-and-white from Banks for instance, proving that money was transfered from Thaksin's accounts to other Thai entities or individuals ?

I ask so because I have no idea about this so called evidence that everybody is talking about.

LaoPo

The evidence would all be at DSI. Criminal evidence is rarely made public unless courts or prosecution do it to benefit the case. Extradition is not a matter of public opinion. Police, Interpol, and foreign governments will decide whatever they decide based on evidence provided in the case and pretty much ignore the public media.

The Thais might eventually make some public purely of local Thai consumption.

There were a few news articles in February/March about the government looking into large sums of money transferred over a 6 month period to a number of bogus recipients, some with identical addresses, but no detail.

Yesterday's closed news thread has an article that Al Jazeera / foreign press called "substantive evidence" was presented for the warrant.

[jdinasia]

To bad Seh Daeng had just started explaining all about Thaksin's involvement and their plans to fight when someone blew his head off.

It isn't exactly a secret that the US gave Thailand information regarding financial transfers and probably signals intercepts as well (communications). This plus public statements of various people including Thaksin himself as well as Sae Daeng and others is substantive enough for an arrest warrant and a trial.

Public statements from Seh Daeng? He said that the black shirts with the guns were send by a secret government operation to create evidence to blame the red shirt people. He said furthermore that the security forces used snipers on April 10 to kill reds shirt protesters.

The US gave Thailand information regarding financial transfers and also taped the communication of the red shirts and Thaksin?

Can i read the full story somewhere? Do you have a link to a source?

LOL Yeah --- that explains the black shirts wandering unmolested throughout the reds on April 10th.

but here you go .. with plenty of his statements

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1005/S00086.htm

It has quite the collection of SehDaengisms .... all but the last one just after Sae Daeng said in his final interview "They'll never get me in here!" which I suspect was followed by "ooooooops"

Feel free to look at the threads here on Thai Visa about the funds transfers and signals intercepts are mentioned in the same threads.

Where he claims to have trained the ronin

Where he claims they fight for the reds

Where he denies he is thier leader (ooops he trained them, he's the new generation Red leader, they fight for the reds ... he must have appointed another leader for them

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1005/S00086.htm

edit --- you need to go back and read what I wrote about Signal intercepts that you failed to accurately represent in your reply.

Edited May 30, 2010 by jdinasia

[sgtpeppers]

Yesterday's closed news thread has an article that Al Jazeera / foreign press called "substantive evidence" was presented for the warrant.

Al Jazeera isn't exactly the most credible foreign source. They are completely bias and blatently pro-goverment - probably in the payroll of the government propaganda machine along with most of the local media.