Thai PM Abhisit Still Standing After Deadly Protests

[gl9999]

He will stand forever, and will win the next, and next, and next election.

He will be our PM until the day he dies.

He will indeed. As long as he sticks to the tried and true formula of guns, les magesty and media suppression, he has a chance.

In any event he is making Thaksin look amaturish.

I agree. Abhisit has shown that in terms of governing, he makes Thaksin look amateurish. Of course, that isn't a very hard thing to do...

[SomTumTiger]

Reconciliation is a nice buzz word - but completely unobtainable because nobody wants it. I want Thaksin in small jail, cell with a 500 lb pedophile named "Mr. Tickles", for about 3-5 years

[ozzieman05]

BANGKOK WARFARE

Military crackdown justified and meet international standard

By The Nation

Published on June 5, 2010

The Foreign Ministry said yesterday that the military crackdown in April and May, which left 89 dead and nearly 2,000 injured, was justified and met with international standards.

The crackdown was undertaken in accordance with the "United Nations Basic Principles on the Use of Firearms by Law-Enforcement Officials", the ministry said.

The statement was issued yesterday...

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Now we can close this case and move on with our live.

A non-comment if ever there was one.

The thing about 'this case' ie the Bangkok red violence is that it is now discredited.

So for Thaksin and his supporters what to do?

One of the tactics Thaksin is using is to distance his thugs from the violence by claiming that the violence was undertaken by fake reds.

This is exactly what Thaksin did after the Songkran 2009 events.

Note that the standard Thaksin tactic is always to attack the other side for what Thaksin's team are accused of.

So now that the blackshirt mud is sticking to him, let's push it off to the 'blues'.

Hey blue looks like black at night hey?

Thaksin Blames Newin for Arson Attacks

Former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra wrote on his Twitter page blaming Bhum Jai Thai de facto leader and leader of the blue-shirt group Newin Chidchob for the arson attacks in the capital after the red-shirt rally ended.

He claimed the red-shirt group was framed and he will fight until there is real reconciliation in Thailand.

Like the bit about 'real reconciliation' at the end?

As if.

If he can not blame it on the blue shirts

Maybe it was all his ex wife's fault

and she was helped by Farangs

[tw25rw]

Abhisit must do whatever it takes to delay elections for as long as possible. The way it stands he probably wont get elected, but he is right on track to win in a few years time. He is doing everything right - killing and jailing political opponents and leaders, he has the media reigned in and running scared, blocking all opposing voices and he has got huge financial backing and support from people in high places. All he needs now is time, and if he can rig the elections then its pretty much game over for the Thaksin era.

Don't need to rig it. Just need to have transparent funding of the parties and to be able to trace the money trail to stop any pro Thaksin parties in their tracks.

[Richard W]

nahh, to argue with the proportional vote (party list vote) is always somewhat misleading. Only 80 seats of the total 480 seats in the parliament got filled up this way.

It's still the closest there is to a direct vote for prime minister. Constituency votes are arguably votes for specific individuals, though the matter is complicated by the requirement for party affiliations.

In the south where the very popular ex-PM Chuan Leekpai was on top of the democrats party list the dems got 80% of the votes.

Was this significantly better than the constituency vote?

Anyway with the proportional vote PPP won 34 seats and the democrats 33 seats.

I was counting votes rather than seats.

And don't forget PPP was an absolute newcomer, with new faces as leader and subjected to anti-propaganda by the Junta unlike the democrats, a well known and established party.

What proportion of TRT-inclined voters were unaware Samak's claim to be Thaksin's proxy? Or do you think he lost out by voters realising that he wasn't 100% reliable.

As to the PPP being a newcomer, it was well-known as TRT Mark 2 - or are you saying that should be TRT (T) Mark 2, along the lines of India's 'Congress (I)' ('I' for Indira) v. 'Congress'.

[somchaibob]

Abhisit must do whatever it takes to delay elections for as long as possible. The way it stands he probably wont get elected, but he is right on track to win in a few years time. He is doing everything right - killing and jailing political opponents and leaders, he has the media reigned in and running scared, blocking all opposing voices and he has got huge financial backing and support from people in high places. All he needs now is time, and if he can rig the elections then its pretty much game over for the Thaksin era.

Don't need to rig it. Just need to have transparent funding of the parties and to be able to trace the money trail to stop any pro Thaksin parties in their tracks.

I am a fan of Abhisit as much as you are, but unless Abhisit jails or 'sacrifices' ALL his political opponents then a transparent election won't put him back in power. However in the case that he can't rig it, for whatever reason, then at least there is always the option of a coup and the generals placing him as PM again for another 5 years or for however long he can stretch it out again. I'd pretty much support any option at this stage as long as a Thaksin funded party (or whoever the Thai people end up voting for) are not put in power again.

[Rucharee]

Abhisit should call for an election now, before Thai people forgot about the arson attacks, and how must the Red-protest cause the nation.

[cyb]

Abhisit should call for an election now, before Thai people forgot about the arson attacks, and how must the Red-protest cause the nation.

To call an election now could be political suicide for Abhisit, He needs to show the poor of Thailand that he means well for them and not just to line his pockets like thaksin.

He can do this provided he does not have to spend most of his time thinking about what Thaksin is going to do next. That is what Thaksin wants to be able to take up all of Abhisits time and then claim.

What good is this guy he has done nothing for you all he has done is stop me your saviour from educating (dictating) to you.

[Rucharee]

Abhisit should call for an election now, before Thai people forgot about the arson attacks, and how must the Red-protest cause the nation.

To call an election now could be political suicide for Abhisit, He needs to show the poor of Thailand that he means well for them and not just to line his pockets like thaksin.

He can do this provided he does not have to spend most of his time thinking about what Thaksin is going to do next. That is what Thaksin wants to be able to take up all of Abhisits time and then claim.

What good is this guy he has done nothing for you all he has done is stop me your saviour from educating (dictating) to you.

But his popularity is at an all time high, after crushing the Red

[cyb]

Abhisit should call for an election now, before Thai people forgot about the arson attacks, and how must the Red-protest cause the nation.

To call an election now could be political suicide for Abhisit, He needs to show the poor of Thailand that he means well for them and not just to line his pockets like thaksin.

He can do this provided he does not have to spend most of his time thinking about what Thaksin is going to do next. That is what Thaksin wants to be able to take up all of Abhisits time and then claim.

What good is this guy he has done nothing for you all he has done is stop me your saviour from educating (dictating) to you.

But his popularity is at an all time high, after crushing the Red

That is true, But you have to think about the time it takes to set up an election, Abhisit needs to have a lot more irons in the fire to thwart any attempt by Thaksin to discredit him.

Thaksin did it by crook got the poor to give him a landslide victory, Now it's time for Abhisit to get the poor to give him the same by fair play not foul play.

[Samuian]

wannabe Usurpator Thaksin blaming now Bhum Jai Thai and Newin directly must feel very, very great and safe too!

Looks more and more that he is in desperate need for help...

[yoshiwara]

Abhisit should call for an election now, before Thai people forgot about the arson attacks, and how must the Red-protest cause the nation.

To call an election now could be political suicide for Abhisit, He needs to show the poor of Thailand that he means well for them and not just to line his pockets like thaksin.

He can do this provided he does not have to spend most of his time thinking about what Thaksin is going to do next. That is what Thaksin wants to be able to take up all of Abhisits time and then claim.

What good is this guy he has done nothing for you all he has done is stop me your saviour from educating (dictating) to you.

But his popularity is at an all time high, after crushing the Red

He has until the end of 2011 to call an election.

His timetable, not Thaksin's.

Not yours.

[cyb]

Abhisit should call for an election now, before Thai people forgot about the arson attacks, and how must the Red-protest cause the nation.

To call an election now could be political suicide for Abhisit, He needs to show the poor of Thailand that he means well for them and not just to line his pockets like thaksin.

He can do this provided he does not have to spend most of his time thinking about what Thaksin is going to do next. That is what Thaksin wants to be able to take up all of Abhisits time and then claim.

What good is this guy he has done nothing for you all he has done is stop me your saviour from educating (dictating) to you.

But his popularity is at an all time high, after crushing the Red

He has until the end of 2011 to call an election.

His timetable, not Thaksin's.

Not yours.

It is not his timetable as such, But the end of his period of office then he must be re-elected to stay in office.

He will be re-elected the people of Thailand have had enough of Thaksin and his terrorism antics

[Siripon]

Abhisit has said it would take 6 months to recover from the reds' rampage and yesterday in Vietnam he said an early election was likely, so I think we're looking at March or April next year,just before the annual red riots.

[mazeltov]

wannabe Usurpator Thaksin blaming now Bhum Jai Thai and Newin directly must feel very, very great and safe too!

Looks more and more that he is in desperate need for help...

Thaksin doing what exactly? Care to explain?

[mazeltov]

Abhisit has said it would take 6 months to recover from the reds' rampage and yesterday in Vietnam he said an early election was likely, so I think we're looking at March or April next year,just before the annual red riots.

Funny thing that Abhisit said exactly the same nearly exactly one year ago. he also said he wouldn't mind to dissolve the house and have snap elections.

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva yesterday pledged to resolve animosity between rival groups and foster reconciliation in six to eight months to pave the way for a snap election.

"If things proceed as anticipated, then I aim to steer the country out of the present turmoil and bring about normalcy in six to eight months, following which I won't mind dissolving the House," he said.

May 1, 2009,

The Nation

edit: total edit of a double post to a new post

[animatic]

Well Thaksin seems to have mastered the oxymoron.

" ...he will fight until there is real reconciliation in Thailand..."

Of course he is trying hard to 'Blame Newin', he hates Newin more than most now.

Except few, if anyone with an education, saw the same game play out last year and bought that line of crap.

Cause mayhem and then balme those you attack for being immoral for not giving in to your attack.

It is not the product of a rational mind.

[Insight]

Well Thaksin seems to have mastered the oxymoron.

" ...he will fight until there is real reconciliation in Thailand..."

Of course he is trying hard to 'Blame Newin', he hates Newin more than most now.

Except few, if anyone with an education, saw the same game play out last year and bought that line of crap.

Cause mayhem and then balme those you attack for being immoral for not giving in to your attack.

It is not the product of a rational mind.

Astounding they're actually trying this. Red shirts were given orders to burn everything. Everywhere the red shirts rampaged in BKK and in the provinces places there town halls and other buildings were set alight, there's video footage and eyewitness reports of red shirts cheering the burning of buildings, yet we're expected to believe that the fire in the building they had set up camp next to for two months was not done by them!?!

Here's an interesting vid from the 19th May:

icVXacOMpcM

[mazeltov]

Democrat downplays buying MPs to join govt

BANGKOK, 6 June 2010 (NNT) – The ruling Democrat Party has played down the allegation of spending more than 10 million THB to buy MPs from the opposition Puea Thai.

Spokesperson to the Democrat Party Leader, Thepthai Senpong, dismissed the news report alleged by Puea Thai Spokesperson, Prompong Nopparit. He said the ruling Democrat Party would not behave in such a manner, and stressed that the party would not need to buy MPs from other parties.

Mr Thepthai then questioned Mr Prompong back on the sources of such a news report. He said he would like to know which political party bought MPs from the opposition Puea Thai Party.

The change in the coalition government was made after some MPs in the coalition Puea Pandin Party were ousted due to a rift with another coalition Bhumjaithai over the no-confidence vote result. Some MPs from the opposition side at the same time defected to the government.

As for the cabinet reshuffle, the Democrat spokesperson said it was clear, precise, and suitable. He believed that everyone in his party would accept and respect the resolution of the Democrat Party executives because it was made mainly for political stability.

-- NNT 6 June 2010

Democrat downplays buying MPs to join govt : National News Bureau of Thailand

[alstaxi]

QUOTE "Abhisit is obviously concerned that he would lose an election and he'll delay it for as long as he can," said Walker.

Everybody knows that, not actually news.

This is news to me, I thought abhisit was doing a good job of a real shitty situation, not clinging to power.

[Roadman]

<!--quoteo(post=3668833:date=2010-06-06 00:26:50:name=tw25rw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tw25rw @ 2010-06-06 00:26:50) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=3668833"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=3667471:date=2010-06-05 06:00:35:name=somchaibob)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somchaibob @ 2010-06-05 06:00:35) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=3667471"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Abhisit must do whatever it takes to delay elections for as long as possible. The way it stands he probably wont get elected, but he is right on track to win in a few years time. He is doing everything right - killing and jailing political opponents and leaders, he has the media reigned in and running scared, blocking all opposing voices and he has got huge financial backing and support from people in high places. All he needs now is time, and if he can rig the elections then its pretty much game over for the Thaksin era.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Don't need to rig it. Just need to have transparent funding of the parties and to be able to trace the money trail to stop any pro Thaksin parties in their tracks.

<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I am a fan of Abhisit as much as you are, but unless Abhisit jails or 'sacrifices' ALL his political opponents then a transparent election won't put him back in power. However in the case that he can't rig it, for whatever reason, then at least there is always the option of a coup and the generals placing him as PM again for another 5 years or for however long he can stretch it out again. I'd pretty much support any option at this stage as long as a Thaksin funded party (or whoever the Thai people end up voting for) are not put in power again. <img src="http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

Has the thought occurred that he and the Army will honour the democratic process they are trying to re-install as long as it is not being high jacked by thiefs again?

I am sure Abhisit will take it on the chin if he is in opposition and that is not the short odds given it was prior to the Reds sh!tting in even their own beds.

Edited June 7, 2010 by Roadman

[yoshiwara]

<!--quoteo(post=3668833:date=2010-06-06 00:26:50:name=tw25rw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tw25rw @ 2010-06-06 00:26:50) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=3668833"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=3667471:date=2010-06-05 06:00:35:name=somchaibob)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somchaibob @ 2010-06-05 06:00:35) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=3667471"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Abhisit must do whatever it takes to delay elections for as long as possible. The way it stands he probably wont get elected, but he is right on track to win in a few years time. He is doing everything right - killing and jailing political opponents and leaders, he has the media reigned in and running scared, blocking all opposing voices and he has got huge financial backing and support from people in high places. All he needs now is time, and if he can rig the elections then its pretty much game over for the Thaksin era.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Don't need to rig it. Just need to have transparent funding of the parties and to be able to trace the money trail to stop any pro Thaksin parties in their tracks.

<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I am a fan of Abhisit as much as you are, but unless Abhisit jails or 'sacrifices' ALL his political opponents then a transparent election won't put him back in power. However in the case that he can't rig it, for whatever reason, then at least there is always the option of a coup and the generals placing him as PM again for another 5 years or for however long he can stretch it out again. I'd pretty much support any option at this stage as long as a Thaksin funded party (or whoever the Thai people end up voting for) are not put in power again. <img src="http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

A non-comment, but with a sting.

The reds have been selling to their supporters the idea that they cannot lose.

In the event that they do, they will cry foul.

We have always said that the reds have never been interested in democracy.

Only the return of Thaksin (However much they demure)

This comment is an early marker that they think they might lose and that it will be only because the other side cheated.

Note that some reds are really trying ever so hard to disguise who they are.

Bobbing and weaving.

[cardholder]

Abhisit should call for an election now, before Thai people forgot about the arson attacks, and how must the Red-protest cause the nation.

I also thought an election now (i.e. before the end of 2010) would enable Abhisit to benefit from his rise in popularity.

However, on reflection, I think he needs to get a number of ducks in a row if he is to oversee open, transparent and free elections(i.e. no vote buying - as far as possible). I doubt this can be achieved in the next 12 months. Thaksin is alienated but if more can be done to distance him from the Thai political scene, all the better.

Rucharee has switched sides (or at least confirmed allegiance to the Democrats) - I just wonder if enough rank and file Thais have been persuaded to put their "X" in the Democrat box as a result of what they saw happen in Bangkok.

[Siam Simon]

<snip>We have always said that the reds have never been interested in democracy.<snip>

Do you suffer from multiple personality disorder, or are you posting on TV as part of a team?

[Siam Simon]

<!--quoteo(post=3668833:date=2010-06-06 00:26:50:name=tw25rw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tw25rw @ 2010-06-06 00:26:50) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=3668833"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=3667471:date=2010-06-05 06:00:35:name=somchaibob)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somchaibob @ 2010-06-05 06:00:35) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=3667471"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Abhisit must do whatever it takes to delay elections for as long as possible. The way it stands he probably wont get elected, but he is right on track to win in a few years time. He is doing everything right - killing and jailing political opponents and leaders, he has the media reigned in and running scared, blocking all opposing voices and he has got huge financial backing and support from people in high places. All he needs now is time, and if he can rig the elections then its pretty much game over for the Thaksin era.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Don't need to rig it. Just need to have transparent funding of the parties and to be able to trace the money trail to stop any pro Thaksin parties in their tracks.

<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I am a fan of Abhisit as much as you are, but unless Abhisit jails or 'sacrifices' ALL his political opponents then a transparent election won't put him back in power. However in the case that he can't rig it, for whatever reason, then at least there is always the option of a coup and the generals placing him as PM again for another 5 years or for however long he can stretch it out again. I'd pretty much support any option at this stage as long as a Thaksin funded party (or whoever the Thai people end up voting for) are not put in power again. <img src="http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

Has the thought occurred that he and the Army will honour the democratic process they are trying to re-install as long as it is not being high jacked by thiefs again?

I am sure Abhisit will take it on the chin if he is in opposition and that is not the short odds given it was prior to the Reds sh!tting in even their own beds.

I will go with your suggestion that Abhisit would like to see a more honest Thailand. But the army? Where you florm, mistah?

[jdinasia]

Well Thaksin seems to have mastered the oxymoron.

" ...he will fight until there is real reconciliation in Thailand..."

Of course he is trying hard to 'Blame Newin', he hates Newin more than most now.

Except few, if anyone with an education, saw the same game play out last year and bought that line of crap.

Cause mayhem and then balme those you attack for being immoral for not giving in to your attack.

It is not the product of a rational mind.

Astounding they're actually trying this. Red shirts were given orders to burn everything. Everywhere the red shirts rampaged in BKK and in the provinces places there town halls and other buildings were set alight, there's video footage and eyewitness reports of red shirts cheering the burning of buildings, yet we're expected to believe that the fire in the building they had set up camp next to for two months was not done by them!?!

Here's an interesting vid from the 19th May:

icVXacOMpcM

[/url]

In Thaksin's mind he would have been whitewashed of all his crimes and back in Thailand by now if the friends of Newin faction of PPP had not defected when PPP was disbanded.

Anyone knowing Newin and his history would have anticipated this defection. Can anyone really see Newin playing second fiddle behind Thaksin indefinatly?

Thaksin no longer has the loyalty of the majority of the regional power brokers/political machines that he managed (somehow ) to cobble together at one time.

[animatic]

Well Thaksin seems to have mastered the oxymoron.

" ...he will fight until there is real reconciliation in Thailand..."

Of course he is trying hard to 'Blame Newin', he hates Newin more than most now.

Except few, if anyone with an education, saw the same game play out last year and bought that line of crap.

Cause mayhem and then balme those you attack for being immoral for not giving in to your attack.

It is not the product of a rational mind.

Astounding they're actually trying this. Red shirts were given orders to burn everything. Everywhere the red shirts rampaged in BKK and in the provinces places there town halls and other buildings were set alight, there's video footage and eyewitness reports of red shirts cheering the burning of buildings, yet we're expected to believe that the fire in the building they had set up camp next to for two months was not done by them!?!

Here's an interesting vid from the 19th May:

icVXacOMpcM

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=icVXacOMpcM

In Thaksin's mind he would have been whitewashed of all his crimes and back in Thailand by now if the friends of Newin faction of PPP had not defected when PPP was disbanded.

Anyone knowing Newin and his history would have anticipated this defection. Can anyone really see Newin playing second fiddle behind Thaksin indefinatly?

Thaksin no longer has the loyalty of the majority of the regional power brokers/political machines that he managed (somehow ) to cobble together at one time.

Newin's defection happened the night in Hong Kong, when Thaksin and Potjamin announced their sham divorce,

and handed PTP's reigns to Chalerm, thus letting Newin know he would not get any control and spoils to speak of

because he and Chalerm aren't exactly close....And Chalerm is greedy as hel_l. The parting of the ways, just wasn't

announced till the voting was ready to happened. Newin doesn't play his cards too far from the chest.

So Thaksin shot himself in the foot , yet again, by marginalizing a strong player like Newin.

He has made his bed and now Thailand must, for the moment, sleep in it with him,

till he has that stroke in the night and they carry him off.

[yoshiwara]

<snip>We have always said that the reds have never been interested in democracy.<snip>

Do you suffer from multiple personality disorder, or are you posting on TV as part of a team?

'We' as in those of us who have consistently argued that the red cheerleaders put the word 'democracy' on their banners but just for show.

[SomTumTiger]

<snip>We have always said that the reds have never been interested in democracy.<snip>

Do you suffer from multiple personality disorder, or are you posting on TV as part of a team?

'We' as in those of us who have consistently argued that the red cheerleaders put the word 'democracy' on their banners but just for show.

No need to banter with a troll Yosh. Better to ignore and move on.

[djlest]

As much as i think Abhiset is still the best out of a very bad bunch of candidates...

I feel he definiteley SHOULD go ahead with NOV Elections...

I have only stood for him because i believed he was more honest and fair than others..

however if he goes back on his word for NOV elections...

He will be branded another snake and strengthen the reds Claims...

I hope he can be an honorable man and win, rather than go against his word... and lose trust...