rabo Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 I am not an attorney, but I am of the understanding that the decision of a criminal court to grant bail or not - and if so, in what amount - is based on its evaluation of risk of flight and/or potential harm to society as a result of release. These two are not worried. They're not going to do a runner on their own. They've been paid to follow the script, and that's exactly what they're going to do. Red shirt leaders are good guys, don't you know? Even if they do some time, their signing bonuses and payments to date are already safely in place offshore. And not in a way that will be easily traceable: paintings, gemstones, rare coins and stamps, precious and strategic metals, etc. I spent many, many years here as a consultant on government projects. Thaksin is running the red shirt project in the same style as he did when he was PM. A British Virgin Islands corporation leases a villa in Paris. The BVI company then hires a Swiss property management company to rent the property. The Swiss property management company hires a Luxembourg security company to guard the property. The contract with the security company has a clause that if the property is bigger than so and so and worth more than so and so, the security company has the right to place a representative of their choosing (and his/her family, if any) to reside on the premises. The security company then makes a independent contractor agreement with Somchai Wattanatham to reside on the premises from time to time. No money is ever paid to Somchai; he and his family just get use of villa and its staff in the course of fulfilling his private contractual obligation to reside there. How about the key and access documents and information for a safe deposit box containing a few 1 kg. rhodium bars. At today's price, about USD 2,500 per oz. that's USD 87,500 a bar. Really hard to trace, and believe me, these folks are in it big time and for the long term. As I have posted many times before, there is a kingdom at stake... I used to do a bit of work in the telecoms area, remember one guy who collected very rare wines. A bottle to say hello or a shipment that could be brought in from the south for more. You can put a lot of millions in a wine in a cellar. It would be ironic if in fact the court granted bail because Jatuporn could show evidence he was obligated to stay and overthrow the government. "Look, I'm not going anywhere!" Yes, there is a Kingdom at stake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard W Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 If you want to vote with your conscience next time run as an independent. I believe that's against the constitution. It was certainly against the 1997 constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker69 Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 How can you get bail on a TERRORISM charge? And this morning Jatuporn had the hide to threaten DSI officers with jail when 'the other side' gets into power. Disgusting. Welcome to Thailand, the most "amazing" country in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazeltov Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 some people have no clue how the judicial system works. The lawyers where sentenced to jail time because they where found guilty for contempt of the court. Not the government was disbanded, but the PPP was dissolved and Somchai banned from politics, because the court ruled they are guilty. (okay a result was the end of the government) Jatuporn and Karun are not found guilty yet, there wasn't a trail. DSI does just investigations, but not the judgements. detention while awaiting trial isn't a form of legal punishment. If the court see no reason that the accused pose an imminent danger for the society while in freedom and will not jump bail, why a detention? and that doesn't mean that they cannot be sentenced to jail or what ever penalty in a coming trail. Trying to bribe the courts is a bit contemptuous... The Supreme Court sentenced three key members of the legal team of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra to six months in prison each yesterday over the two-million-baht snack box incident.Lead lawyer Pichit Chuenban, legal assistant Supasri Srisawat and the coordinator of the legal team Thana Tansiri were found guilty by a panel of three judges of contempt of court in the precincts of the court.Each was given a six-month jail term.The trio also face criminal charges under Article 144 of the Criminal Code.The panel chaired by Supreme Court vice-president Mongkol Thapthiang suspects they were trying to give a bribe and has assigned the court secretary to lodge a police complaint. Source: Bribery and corruption court cases in Thailand As for the reds brothers, yes, if they can show they are not a public threat and are bound to stay by other factors, the court would not see a reason to deny bail. Jatuporn probably explained he could not leave because of his future arson/incitement engagements, and demonstrated he was not a public threat by promising not to burn down the courts, ... if released on bail. What is your point in quoting that article about that lawyer case? key words: "guilty by a panel of three judges of contempt of court " ... and "trio also face criminal charges ... suspects they were trying to give a bribe... lodge a police complaint" repeats what i have said: 'guilty for contempt of the court.' Do you know what happens to the criminal charges for trying to bribe the court? was a police complaint filed? was that followed by a trail? do we have a final judgement on this? Were the three lawyers found guilty violating the criminal code? What was the sentence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshiwara Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 some people have no clue how the judicial system works. The lawyers where sentenced to jail time because they where found guilty for contempt of the court. Not the government was disbanded, but the PPP was dissolved and Somchai banned from politics, because the court ruled they are guilty. (okay a result was the end of the government) Jatuporn and Karun are not found guilty yet, there wasn't a trail. DSI does just investigations, but not the judgements. detention while awaiting trial isn't a form of legal punishment. If the court see no reason that the accused pose an imminent danger for the society while in freedom and will not jump bail, why a detention? and that doesn't mean that they cannot be sentenced to jail or what ever penalty in a coming trail. Trying to bribe the courts is a bit contemptuous... The Supreme Court sentenced three key members of the legal team of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra to six months in prison each yesterday over the two-million-baht snack box incident.Lead lawyer Pichit Chuenban, legal assistant Supasri Srisawat and the coordinator of the legal team Thana Tansiri were found guilty by a panel of three judges of contempt of court in the precincts of the court.Each was given a six-month jail term.The trio also face criminal charges under Article 144 of the Criminal Code.The panel chaired by Supreme Court vice-president Mongkol Thapthiang suspects they were trying to give a bribe and has assigned the court secretary to lodge a police complaint. Source: Bribery and corruption court cases in Thailand As for the reds brothers, yes, if they can show they are not a public threat and are bound to stay by other factors, the court would not see a reason to deny bail. Jatuporn probably explained he could not leave because of his future arson/incitement engagements, and demonstrated he was not a public threat by promising not to burn down the courts, ... if released on bail. What is your point in quoting that article about that lawyer case? key words: "guilty by a panel of three judges of contempt of court " ... and "trio also face criminal charges ... suspects they were trying to give a bribe... lodge a police complaint" repeats what i have said: 'guilty for contempt of the court.' Do you know what happens to the criminal charges for trying to bribe the court? was a police complaint filed? was that followed by a trail? do we have a final judgement on this? Were the three lawyers found guilty violating the criminal code? What was the sentence? Oh! Oh! Oh! I am shocked I tell you, deeply shocked! ...to read that Thaksin's legal team could be guilty of attempted bribery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazeltov Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 Oh! Oh! Oh! I am shocked I tell you, deeply shocked! ...to read that Thaksin's legal team could be guilty of attempted bribery. yes - could be guilty. omfg! it is true. could be guilty. be guilty is a court decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KireB Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 yes - could be guilty. omfg! it is true. could be guilty. be guilty is a court decision. The same courts that have, according to you, double standards and are political instruments of the Elitists. You sound a lot like your man in Dubai, as you're full of double standards yourself. Jatuporn et al. should have been in prison a long long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siam Simon Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 yes - could be guilty. omfg! it is true. could be guilty. be guilty is a court decision. The same courts that have, according to you, double standards and are political instruments of the Elitists. You sound a lot like your man in Dubai, as you're full of double standards yourself. Jatuporn et al. should have been in prison a long long time ago. Jatuporn et al have not even had trials yet. Would you use the same yardstick against the army brass who colluded in the purchase of so many of those 50,000bt pieces of scrap metal that were mis-sold to the general public by the likes of Khun Pornthip as 'bomb detectors'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brahmburgers Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 Jatupon will split, laughing all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainarong Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 Well, what a shock this is , how predictable, the whole place is shonky, oh well , two business class tickets on BA should cure the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazeltov Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 PM testifies in court against Jatuporn Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva testified to the Pheu Thai Party MP Jatuporn Promphan in a defamation case Wednesday morning. The prime minister arrived at the criminal for the court hearing at 9 am. He sued Jatuporn for saying that he had improperly behaved during an audience with His Majesty the King. PM testifies in court against Jatuporn -- The Nation June 9, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazeltov Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 everybody should remember forum rule 15. 15) Not to use ThaiVisa.com to post any material which is knowingly or can be reasonably construed as false, inaccurate, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of any law. You also agree not to post negative comments criticizing the legal proceedings or judgments of any Thai court of law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brent Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 Warning Re: censorship in Thailand. The judgment of Thai courts may not be criticized. The maximum jail sentence for the offense is seven years. Technically the courts decision to grant bail could be interpreted as a judgment of the courts so beware. or am I wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 Actually, the court decision to grant bail should be greeted as good news for the Anti-Thaksin folks amongst us. How can people whine on and on about things not being fair for the reds when the courts rule according to law? They ruled according to the law in this instance and when they disbanded PPP and when they convicted Thaksin .... The courts are doing their job --- according to the laws of Thailand. Good for them! (Do I like Jatuporn being out on bail? No. The gov played either the wrong hand this time ... (could have not granted Jatuporn a bail hearing for a week had they used the SoE laws), or the govt is working on something better Who knows>? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaiChai Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 (edited) Jatuporn will be PM next! Don't forget to quote me when it happens. What a country. I can't believe people performing such terrorist acts can get away such little jail time. Not these two but all the others. There is just no deterrent to crime in this country. I believe the government needs to impose harsher penalties for these crimes. You are free to protest as in any other democracy, but committing terrorist acts should incur serious penalties as a deterrent and to protect the rest of us so we can live safe, peaceful lives. Thailand is not a safe place until those committing terrible crimes receive just punishment and thus those thinking about committing serious crimes are deterred. Edited June 9, 2010 by MaiChai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabo Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 Oh! Oh! Oh! I am shocked I tell you, deeply shocked! ...to read that Thaksin's legal team could be guilty of attempted bribery. yes - could be guilty. omfg! it is true. could be guilty. be guilty is a court decision. Long ago someone came in my house and stole items of value. After he was caught and I understood all circumstances, I choose not to file charges even though he was guilty of stealing my stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rucharee Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 Thai Criminal Court Grants Bail To Jatuporn, Karun IMHO, not a smart moves; but i am sure the court has its reasons. These alleged criminals are a embarrassment to the Society, and should send away to Australia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazeltov Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 Thai Criminal Court Grants Bail To Jatuporn, Karun IMHO, not a smart moves; but i am sure the court has its reasons. These alleged criminals are a embarrassment to the Society, and should send away to Australia. isn't Ko Samui the place where the embarrassment to the Society get shipped away to nowadays? Australia isn't that anymore what is was once used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 Remember TiT - maybe a deal was struck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazeltov Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 PM testifies in court against Jatuporn Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva testified to the Pheu Thai Party MP Jatuporn Promphan in a defamation case Wednesday morning. The prime minister arrived at the criminal for the court hearing at 9 am. He sued Jatuporn for saying that he had improperly behaved during an audience with His Majesty the King. PM testifies in court against Jatuporn -- The Nation June 9, 2010 Any of the experts and Abhisit specialist have a guess on the outcome of this process or knows more details about it? are there any more defamation cases filed by Abhisit? How many were there in the past, how many of them were won by Abhisit? anybody with more informations here? please share. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazeltov Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 Extended detention of Red News editor rejected BANGKOK, 11 June 2010 (NNT) - The Criminal Court has turned down the Center for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation’s (CRES) request to extend the detention of anti-government activist Somyot Prueksakasemsuk. The court ruled not to extend the detention of Mr Somyot as requested by the CRES, reasoning that the extension would be unjustifiable as the situation had returned to normalcy and acts of violence no longer existed. The CRES is required to release the detainee on the expiration date of his custody. The court earlier approved the prolongation of Mr Somyot’s detention for seven days until 13 June 2010. Mr Somyot, editor of the Red News magazine and core figure of the 24 June Group, along with Mr Suthachai Yimprasert, lecturer of Chulalongkorn University, last month turned themselves in to the authorities on the charge of violating the Emergency Decree. The two were detained at Adisorn military camp in Saraburi province. Mr Suthachai was later released. Extended detention of Red News editor rejected : National News Bureau of Thailand -- NNT 11 June 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roamer Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 Thai Criminal Court Grants Bail To Jatuporn, Karun IMHO, not a smart moves; but i am sure the court has its reasons. These alleged criminals are a embarrassment to the Society, and should send away to Australia. isn't Ko Samui the place where the embarrassment to the Society get shipped away to nowadays? Australia isn't that anymore what is was once used to be. Totally unfair. And I might add,extremely dangerous. We shipped them a few convicts and mow look whats happened. Even the pet rabbits turned into a plague. Now you want to ship politicians ? THAI politicians ? Reconsider, that place is like a fast-breeder reactor, the offspring that would come back will haunt you forever more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazeltov Posted June 12, 2010 Share Posted June 12, 2010 ^^ 55 difficult to get rid of politicians, they are already everywhere. it is a pandemic. Puea Thai petitions against Suthep over Samui land controversy BANGKOK, 10 June 2010 (NNT) - The opposition Puea Thai Party has filed complaints with the Department of Special Investigation (DSI) accusing Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban of illegal issuance of title deeds on Koh Samui. Puea Thai Party Spokesperson Prompong Nopparit today travelled to file a letter with DSI Director-General Tharit Pengdit asking him to lodge charges against Mr Suthep and his son, Mr Tan Thaugsuban, for transferring title deeds on Koh Samui in the southern province of Surat Thani to others illegally. At the same time, Mr Prompong believed that Mr Suthep also illegitimately possessed plots of land on the island but concealed them from the Office of the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC). The spokersperson also rushed the DSI to file lawsuits against Mr Suthep, state officers and people involved in this misconduct and to send the investigation results to the Department of Lands in order to withdraw their entitlement to the state properties. As a response, Mr Tharit pledged that the DSI would expeditiously process the impeachment complaints filed by the Puea Thai Party, saying that the issue must be considered step by step before a decision could be made whether to conduct an interrogation of the accused. Puea Thai petitions against Suthep over Samui land controversy : National News Bureau of Thailand -- NNT 10 June 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazeltov Posted June 12, 2010 Share Posted June 12, 2010 DEFAMATION SUIT PM gets proof to rebut Jatuporn By THE NATION Published on June 10, 2010 Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva yesterday displayed pictures of his three predecessors receiving a royal audience, to rebut charges by Pheu Thai MP Jatuporn Promphan who had accused him of misconduct by being seated on the same level as His Majesty the King. Speaking as plaintiff in his libel lawsuit at the Criminal Court, Abhisit contended Jatuporn had defamed him by saying he was the only prime minister to sit level with His Majesty while delivering a report. "The Royal Palace was responsible for arranging the settings for the royal audience and before being seated, I prostrated myself to pay respect to the King," he said. He said former PM Chuan Leekpai had confirmed every prime minister would be seated in accordance with the court protocols when granted a royal audience. He also sought and received the court's permission to show pictures depicting his predecessors, Banharn Silapa-archa, Anand Panyarachun and Samak Sundaravej seated in the same manner during their meetings with the King. A month after the government switch from Pheu Thai-led alliance to Democrat-led coalition, Jatuporn said last January the prime minister had acted as if he was an equal of the King, judging from the picture depicting his seating. The court has scheduled to hear the defence testimony on June 30. Jatuporn is expected to take the witness stand to testify in his own defence. In another development, the Criminal Court granted a one-week extension to the emergency detention for three red-shirt leaders, Veera Musigapong, weng Tojirakarn and Kokaew Pikulthong. The three are being detained at the Naresuan base of the Border Patrol Police in Cha-am, Phetchaburi until next Wednesday. For security reasons, the court hearing took place via video conference between Bangkok and Cha-am. The authorities cited the ongoing investigation into the unrest triggered by the red-shirt rally as grounds for detention. The three did not oppose being held under the emergency rule. PM gets proof to rebut Jatuporn -- The Nation June 10, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueTerrace Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 Meanwhile the UK and Aussie stooges rot in jail, sorry-o boys Thaksin does not give a flying fark about you halfwits. So true. 'No rank' idiots like Purcell and Jaffa Jeff get jail, the leaders go home. What a sorry pair of tools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hideki Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 Several Appeals Concerning Red-shirts Scheduled for Today UPDATE : 18 June 2010 In another case, the Department of Special Investigation (DSI) is going to ask the court to revoke bail for red-shirt leader Jatuporn Prompan. The DSI reasoned his behavior has violated his bail condition. Jatuporn's lawyer will be submitting a motion to counter the DSI's request. Thai-ASEAN News Network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hideki Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 Court to decide whether to revoke Jatuporn's bail The Criminal Court has scheduled Friday's afternoon to decide whether to revoke the bail of Pheu Thai MP and red-shirt leader Jatuporn Prompan. In an earlier session this morning, the court has already ruled in favour of the Department of Special Investigation to grant the remand Jatuporn charged for terrorism. Following the ruling, the defence has lodged the bail application. The DSI has opposed the temporary release on the ground that Jatuporn has continued to cause disturbances, such as his involvement in inciting the red shirts to block the transport of the 11 red-shirt leaders to their remand facilities on Wednesday. The Nation Court to decide whether to revoke Jatuporn's bail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 Court to decide whether to revoke Jatuporn's bail The Criminal Court has scheduled Friday's afternoon to decide whether to revoke the bail of Pheu Thai MP and red-shirt leader Jatuporn Prompan. In an earlier session this morning, the court has already ruled in favour of the Department of Special Investigation to grant the remand Jatuporn charged for terrorism. Following the ruling, the defence has lodged the bail application. The DSI has opposed the temporary release on the ground that Jatuporn has continued to cause disturbances, such as his involvement in inciting the red shirts to block the transport of the 11 red-shirt leaders to their remand facilities on Wednesday. The Nation Court to decide whether to revoke Jatuporn's bail On the 23rd the court will read the verdict. Things take time. No idea if anything K. Jatuporn says till then will be held against him. Some remarks almost as good as those by the two red-shirt foreigners. maybe add a few weeks for 'contempt of court' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hideki Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 Court Approves Detention of Red-shirt MPs UPDATE : 18 June 2010 The Criminal Court has ruled in favor of investigators' request for detention of two opposition MPs for their involvement in the red-shirt protests and consequent unrest. Investigators of the Department of Special Investigation, or DSI, have filed a petition with the Criminal Court, seeking 12-day detention of two Pheu Thai MPs, Jatuporn Prompan and Karun Hosakul. The two are facing terrorism charges for their role in the red-shirt group's unruly protests and ensuing unrest but their MP status bestows them legal immunity against detention. In their petition, investigators reasoned that despite his pending criminal cases, Jatuporn of late led red-shirt protesters to stage a gathering at the Criminal Court on June 15 to put pressure on the court during its deliberation on further detention of 11 red-shirt core leaders. Red-shirt lawyer Winyatti Chatmontri, meanwhile, argued that the protesters gathered at the court on their own accord and that Jatuporn did not convince or ask them to assemble there. Jatuporn is also preparing to file a lawsuit against DSI investigators. After hearing arguments from both sides, the court approved investigators' request for the detention. The defense lawyer has submitted a bail request and the court is now in the deliberation process. Thai-ASEAN News Network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hideki Posted June 18, 2010 Share Posted June 18, 2010 Second detention of Jatuporn, Karun endorsed BANGKOK, 18 June 2010 (NNT) - The Criminal Court has approved the police investigator's request to detain two key anti-government leaders for another 12 days for further investigation. The Department of Special Investigation (DSI) on Friday sought the second detention of Puea Thai Party MPs and core figures of the United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) Jatuporn Prompan and Karun Hosakul on the charge of terrorism. As a consequence, the court sentenced both to 12-day detention during 20 June-1 July 2010. The DSI also opposed bail for Mr Jatuporn, citing his inappropriate action when he led anti-government supporters to rally at the Criminal Court on Tuesday during the court’s deliberation on the detention of another 11 UDD core figures. The 11 anti-government leaders recently put in police custody for 12 days for terrorism comprise Mr Veera Musikapong, Mr Nattawut Saikua, Mr Kwanchai Praipana, Mr Wiphuthalaeng Phatthanaphumthai, Mr Yosawarit Chuklom, Mr Nisit Sinthuprai, MD Weng Tochirakarn, Mr Korkaew Pikulthong, Mr Bhumkitti Sukchindathong, Mr Sombat Makthong and Mr Amnat Intarachote. Second detention of Jatuporn, Karun endorsed : National News Bureau of Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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