Hi all

Went on an excursion to Safari World today and have to say really enjoyed myself. Before anyone jumps down my throat about cruelty to animals or the problems this place has had with licenses, I understand all these things (actually think I joined animal lib and greenpeace one day when I was bored at uni ). Anyway, I pushed them to the back of my mind as the smiles on my children's faces takes precedence. If you have children or just want to see something different it's worth visiting. The orangutan boxing show had me and my ducklings in stitches, along with the dolphin and seal shows. I must admit was a bit worried about the polar bear feeding show - the bear looked very grumpy and it was quite hot today. Apart from that there are plenty of things to see and one can waste an entire day there. Once again sorry to the animal lovers who don't approve

yeah i had a good time when i was there, the bird show was excellent, alough i think something was to be desired of the russian dog circus......were they still there ?

./P

excuse my ignorance, but just where is Safari World?

Hi all

Went on an excursion to Safari World today and have to say really enjoyed myself. Before anyone jumps down my throat about cruelty to animals...

Once again sorry to the animal lovers who don't approve

Absolutely no reason to be sorry. I loved your lines.

You now, once the children are grown up and gone, you realize what you might have missed. Spend as much time as you can with them.

And forget this nonsense about cruelty. Most of the animals do enjoy to play in such shows, never mind what some old spinster in some SPCA says.

excuse my ignorance, but just where is Safari World?

You have to take a turn from Ram Intra Road. If you come from Sukhumvit Side then go to RamIntra Expresway from Ekamai and then you have to take a trun to Ram-Inthra Rd once you come down from the expressway. If you come from Vibhavadi-Ransith Rd, you have to go pass Sapan Mai Intersection and go straight to RamIntra Rd.

You will see the green raod signs directing you to Safari World on RamIntra Rd.

If you need more specific details, send me a PM with your telephone number. I can direct you exactly to this place.

It’s really worth the money and time. Specially for kids and not too bad for adults as well.

The place should be closed down.

WHY?

The place should be closed down.

Yes..I also think the same..

It is little disorganised right now..Better to move into a bigger location and to a place where you get easy access to Transport. I found it difficult to run from one show to another..

That live stunt show, about shooting each other is not suitable for the kids and for the theme of the park.

For all Animal Lovers..go and join protecting innocent people dying from Aids and getting killed everyday in I**q before making a big fuss over few Animals. Also stop eating Meat, Chicken, Burgers..Eggs..and all sort of stuff first. Otherwise it will be another show..

Only problem I have with Safari World is that they are on the blacklist of double-pricing establishments (or at least they were). Can someone confirm whether or not they still have such a policy?

Why so concerned about double-pricing? Is it still much cheaper in your home country? Is it if they charge everyone the same price, then it would be ok? Does that mean you are jealous of someone paying less?

Please think a bit further, if they were to charge everyone the farang price, then most of the Thais won't be able to enjoy the park. If they were to charge everyone the Thai price, then they won't have enough fund to maintain the park to a standard that you enjoy.

Afterall, is the western world really that fair in every aspects?

No inequality?

Please think a bit further, if they were to charge everyone the farang price, then most of the Thais won't be able to enjoy the park.  If they were to charge everyone the Thai price, then they won't have enough fund to maintain the park to a standard that you enjoy.

Afterall, is the western world really that fair in every aspects?

No inequality?

I like this one...

Well said.. Are you thai?

You missed one thing..Let me add more to this..

Hi PVTDICK..

Do you think that Thailand should lower your minimum Salary to the leval of a Thai Employee due to the fact that you live and work in Thailand?

What is your opinion about this.

I think the minimum salary of 60,000 up for a Farang is almost 3 times that a Thai person can get.

When a Thai Person work in your country, do you pay them the same amount you guys earn in your own home country for the same position.

Hope now you can make up your mind and pay double to keep this poor country up and running.

Thanks kwiz117, phom mai chai khon thai.

I am someone who grew up in Hong Kong and a very very lucky man to have married my thai wife. And also someone who likes Thailand very very much!

And PvtDick,

just pure discussion, no offense.

sawadee khrap!

I wonder why the polar bear was grumpy...The weather would have been nice and hot for him!

OK, the old double-pricing debate again.

Why? Because many of the Thais I see enjoying Safari World are richer than many of the foreigners there. Because not all foreigners come from richer countries than Thailand...a lot come from places that are poorer, like China, Vietnam, Laos. When you come down to it, ones nationality is no guarantor of how much disposable income one has.

I am a firm believer that items of equal value should have equal prices to all, regardless of their nationality. I can imagine the uproar if 7-11 started charging foreigners 25 baht for a Coke versus 13 baht for locals, or if the Skytrain charged farangs 20 baht for a 10 baht local ride. Would you agree with these pricing policies? If not, what is so different about places like Safari World that makes it OK?

And speaking of wages, in Thailand as everywhere else, no one gets a high salary just because one is a white. One gets a high salary because one's skill set, and qualifications demand it. A Thai person in my home country would not command any less salary than a local, if his skill set and qualifications were equal.

It is also worth remembering that these Safari World places discriminate against all FOREIGNERS, not just rich white foreigners, but non-THAIS. That means that if a Burmese garment worker making 50 baht a day wanted to go to Safari World, he would have to pay twice the price as a Thai garment worker making 170 baht a day.

"FOREIGNER" does not automatically mean "RICH"!

yeah i had a good time when i was there, the bird show was excellent, alough i think something was to be desired of the russian dog circus......were they still there ?

./P

I didn't see the russian dog show, but one of the other teachers mentioned she had seen it last year.

When it comes to the double-pricing issue, I wouldn't have a clue - my work paid for my entrance and while I was there was treated like evryone else (not sure why, prob cause I was surrounded by thai children ).

PvtDick,

Yes! Not all foreigners are rich. But why at the first place is that poor foreigner there? A poor tourist?

Why? Because many of the Thais I see enjoying Safari World are richer than many of the foreigners there

Yes! There certainly are a lot of rich thais! But how the h*ll are they going to tell who is rich and who is poor?

a lot come from places that are poorer, like China, Vietnam, Laos.

You mean they are tourists but are poor?

I am a firm believer that items of equal value should have equal prices to all, regardless of their nationality. I can imagine the uproar if 7-11 started charging foreigners 25 baht for a Coke versus 13 baht for locals, or if the Skytrain charged farangs 20 baht for a 10 baht local ride. Would you agree with these pricing policies? If not, what is so different about places like Safari World that makes it OK?

There is a point here. Perhaps the difference is the Safari World is not everyday life.

But still it's their country and if I do not like it I might just have to leave.

Anyway, you have the right to believe what you believe and I respect it.

170 baht! Shit! It is so fukcing cheap! It's going to cost a 100 pounds in London!

By the way, it cost me more than 50 pounds to get my wife a fukcing visa to visit the UK! What a greedy government! 50 pounds for some bloody ink!

Double-pricing is a subject that's discussed in Thailand for years.

One hint was given previously in here. Show your Thai driver's licence and you get Thai price.

I found the same in Penang, China and Vietnam. For sure in more countries I just did not realize.

China charges far higher prices for domestic airline - tickets unless you hold a pp from HKG or Taiwan. Vietnam wants to abolish double pricing for their domestic flights by 2004 or 05. I forgot when, Saigon - Hanoi I fly via HKG, which is cheaper for me.

My point is very easy, if it is there, I do not go, if I can avoid it.

My own choice.

My problem with Safari Park is the Rhinos in the electric fence enclosure under the baking sun all day with no shade.

Bob, are you just joking?

And speaking of wages, in Thailand as everywhere else, no one gets a high salary just because one is a white. One gets a high salary because one's skill set, and qualifications demand it. A Thai person in my home country would not command any less salary than a local, if his skill set and qualifications were equal.

No comments from me as it will go off the topic. But I do not agree with the above statement…

A bit of a cop-out to disagree and not state why.

Wages are determined by a person's capabilities and the market supply-demand for those capabilities. Race has little to do with it. Farangs teaching English make more than Thai teachers do because 1) they are native speakers -- a specialized capability, and 2) their supply is limited.

The company I work for cares only about the job getting done. The last thing they are interested in is paying any more for anything than they have to. If they could find a local whose skill set was the same as mine and who would work for less than I do, they'd hire that person in a flash. As it turns out (luckily) they can't, and they therefore must pay what the market demands.

I truly understand the logic in you(and agree with you) and it would be ideal if everything in this world goes that way, but the reality is another thing.

Inequalities exist in every corner in this world. Do you think women in India have enough human rights? Do you think the Africans deserves the haunt of poverty and famines? What is fairness? A simple question; there are 2 men and a piece of cake. Should it be fair that they share it evenly or the stronger person get the whole piece?

Another example; a garment worker in the US of A could easily save up enough to spend a holiday like a king in Thailand, whilst his Thai counterpart........?????? Where is the fukcing logic? The words: BEING RICH, FUTURE, FAMILY PLANNING, HOLIDAYS, RETIREMENT.... don't exist

Ohhh.... what a lucky bastard I am! I think of holidays all the time!

I am actually VERY amazed that, given the circumstances that an average farang tourist in Bangkok symbolises a fukcing mobile bank with no security(months or years of wages of an average Thai), it still feels so fukcing safe! (Tom,Tom, where u go last night, I LOVE MUEANG THAI but not patpong....)

I have always thought it being funny that someone could go travelling around with a backpack, no money but a specialised skill known as English! I am sure that there are plenty of specialists in the prisons of UK & USA.

Finally, I apologise to all for making a big fuss out of this double-pricing subject hence changing the original topic.

And speaking of wages, in Thailand as everywhere else, no one gets a high salary just because one is a white.  One gets a high salary because one's skill set, and qualifications demand it.  A Thai person in my home country would not command any less salary than a local, if his skill set and qualifications were equal.

No comments from me as it will go off the topic. But I do not agree with the above statement…

the oportunity to get a well-paid job in MY country, that is 3 times the average salary for me, or my friends, if youre a dark-skinned 'farang' there, is like ZERO.

so what was the problem?

And speaking of wages, in Thailand as everywhere else, no one gets a high salary just because one is a white.  One gets a high salary because one's skill set, and qualifications demand it.  A Thai person in my home country would not command any less salary than a local, if his skill set and qualifications were equal.

No comments from me as it will go off the topic. But I do not agree with the above statement…

the oportunity to get a well-paid job in MY country, that is 3 times the average salary for me, or my friends, if youre a dark-skinned 'farang' there, is like ZERO.

so what was the problem?

not that I consider it MY country, as if it is mine, but ...

DOH!

its the time.. zzz

And speaking of wages, in Thailand as everywhere else, no one gets a high salary just because one is a white.  One gets a high salary because one's skill set, and qualifications demand it.  A Thai person in my home country would not command any less salary than a local, if his skill set and qualifications were equal.

No comments from me as it will go off the topic. But I do not agree with the above statement…

the oportunity to get a well-paid job in MY country, that is 3 times the average salary for me, or my friends, if youre a dark-skinned 'farang' there, is like ZERO.

so what was the problem?

not that I consider it MY country, as if it is mine, but ...

DOH!

its the time.. zzz

Your skill level, intentions and the fact of your white skin reflects well here by answering and trying to continue a dialog on Salaries under a topic related to Safari World in Thailand.

Keep it up.. You will find someone here soon..