Fugitive Thaksin To Increase Activities Ahead Of Thai Polls

[tijnebijn]

As a northern Thai, Mr. Super-Duper, he's probably a much better litmus test than you are. But, as you will see if you read my post, I was talking about my village in general.

now now khun 63 posts! I was simply balancing the 'Thailand hates Thaksin' rubbish - if this is true hold elections and find out!

Why so arrogant mr 1900 something posts ?

Better debate your differences with dialogue , then the I know better than You or I've got more posts than you , so I'm the all knowing King of nothingness .

( but he asked for it )

Congratulations both of you.

To stay on topic with my post , I agree with the fact that in my small village most are still Thaksin supporters , by droves in fact , but in Chiangmai itself its more like 60/40 again on the Thaksin side , approx , in the village they still see him as the one and only , only one and first Premier who ever did something for them , and in fact he did , thats the reason for his huge support by the rural , others who do not need the government to help them are mostly tired of all this , especially in CM , where business has been , also ours , so bad after the coup , I think many are not happy at all , but not sure if they ever will vote for the Demos .

Edited October 14, 2010 by tijnebijn

[ChiangMaiFun]

As a northern Thai, Mr. Super-Duper, he's probably a much better litmus test than you are. But, as you will see if you read my post, I was talking about my village in general.

now now khun 63 posts! I was simply balancing the 'Thailand hates Thaksin' rubbish - if this is true hold elections and find out!

Why so arrogant mr 1900 something posts ?

Better debate your differences with dialogue , then the I know better than You or I've got more posts than you , so I'm the all knowing King of nothingness .

( but he asked for it )

Congratulations both of you.

To stay on topic with my post , I agree with the fact that in my small village most are still Thaksin supporters , by droves in fact , but in Chiangmai itself its more like 60/40 again on the Thaksin side , approx , in the village they still see him as the one and only , only one and first Premier who ever did something for them , and in fact he did , thats the reason for his huge support by the rural , others who do not need the government to help them are mostly tired of all this , especially in CM , where business has been , also ours , so bad after the coup , I think many are not happy at all , but not sure if they ever will vote for the Demos .

I was going to actually say what I thought of your post - but had better not or get a 'holiday' suffice it to say its not exactly insightful nor intelligent.

Edited October 14, 2010 by ChiangMaiFun

[ChiangMaiFun]

^oHas he sold his story to HELLO magazine yet? They are always on the look out for failures who ant one last pay day before saling off into oblivion. Surely he must realize if he every comes back someone if going to knock him off. You have had your go, failed now on your bike, let someone else have ago.

'failed' are you crazy? he was toppled by an illegal coup

[ChiangMaiFun]

Bring on the Red Apologists,they havent posted for a long while.

Bring on the 'Yellow is Gold' we hate elections bleaters - they haven't bleated for a long while too - ever heard of democracy? no I thought not...

[dru2]

As a northern Thai, Mr. Super-Duper, he's probably a much better litmus test than you are. But, as you will see if you read my post, I was talking about my village in general.

now now khun 63 posts! I was simply balancing the 'Thailand hates Thaksin' rubbish - if this is true hold elections and find out!

Why so arrogant mr 1900 something posts ?

Better debate your differences with dialogue , then the I know better than You or I've got more posts than you , so I'm the all knowing King of nothingness .

( but he asked for it )

Congratulations both of you.

To stay on topic with my post , I agree with the fact that in my small village most are still Thaksin supporters , by droves in fact , but in Chiangmai itself its more like 60/40 again on the Thaksin side , approx , in the village they still see him as the one and only , only one and first Premier who ever did something for them , and in fact he did , thats the reason for his huge support by the rural , others who do not need the government to help them are mostly tired of all this , especially in CM , where business has been , also ours , so bad after the coup , I think many are not happy at all , but not sure if they ever will vote for the Demos .

I was going to actually say what I thought of your post - but had better not or get a 'holiday' suffice it to say its not exactly insightful nor intelligent.

On this I have to agree with ChiangMaiFun. If we "try to stay on topic", Tijnebijn, will you kindly try to become coherent?

[rubl]

^oHas he sold his story to HELLO magazine yet? They are always on the look out for failures who ant one last pay day before saling off into oblivion. Surely he must realize if he every comes back someone if going to knock him off. You have had your go, failed now on your bike, let someone else have ago.

'failed' are you crazy? he was toppled by an illegal coup

Is there such a thing as a 'legal' coup ? Some are maybe welcomed by the people, which is a bit of a difference.

[rubl]

Bring on the Red Apologists,they havent posted for a long while.

Bring on the 'Yellow is Gold' we hate elections bleaters - they haven't bleated for a long while too - ever heard of democracy? no I thought not...

Yellows don't hate elections, they just see no reason to have one forced on them before the legal limit calls for it. Ever heard about democracy ?

[ChiangMaiFun]

^oHas he sold his story to HELLO magazine yet? They are always on the look out for failures who ant one last pay day before saling off into oblivion. Surely he must realize if he every comes back someone if going to knock him off. You have had your go, failed now on your bike, let someone else have ago.

'failed' are you crazy? he was toppled by an illegal coup

Is there such a thing as a 'legal' coup ? Some are maybe welcomed by the people, which is a bit of a difference.

Well... that's true - was this one? i say again: vote vote vote - the current government (which was not elected) say no,no,no - I think, come the general election, whatever the yelow government try to stage they will suffer a defeat - why? because they have not engaged the people.

[rubl]

Well... that's true - was this one? i say again: vote vote vote - the current government (which was not elected) say no,no,no - I think, come the general election, whatever the yelow government try to stage they will suffer a defeat - why? because they have not engaged the people.

The current government was put together by properly voted for MP's. As such the coalition is perfectly legal, just like the recent new governments in the UK and Australia.

The yellows will not suffer a defeat, their new party will probably not get many votes, is all. That doesn't bother the Dem's, or others.

[ChiangMaiFun]

Well... that's true - was this one? i say again: vote vote vote - the current government (which was not elected) say no,no,no - I think, come the general election, whatever the yelow government try to stage they will suffer a defeat - why? because they have not engaged the people.

The current government was put together by properly voted for MP's. As such the coalition is perfectly legal, just like the recent new governments in the UK and Australia.

The yellows will not suffer a defeat, their new party will probably not get many votes, is all. That doesn't bother the Dem's, or others.

nonsense - the government have benefited by the coup - they only gained power through MP's 'swapping' sides - nothing like the UK coalition - when i referred to 'yellows' I was thinking 'Dems'. The only proper election was when the reds gained power - then lost it again through the courts - not through votes.

[rubl]

Well... that's true - was this one? i say again: vote vote vote - the current government (which was not elected) say no,no,no - I think, come the general election, whatever the yelow government try to stage they will suffer a defeat - why? because they have not engaged the people.

The current government was put together by properly voted for MP's. As such the coalition is perfectly legal, just like the recent new governments in the UK and Australia.

The yellows will not suffer a defeat, their new party will probably not get many votes, is all. That doesn't bother the Dem's, or others.

nonsense - the government have benefited by the coup - they only gained power through MP's 'swapping' sides - nothing like the UK coalition - when i referred to 'yellows' I was thinking 'Dems'. The only proper election was when the reds gained power - then lost it again through the courts - not through votes.

No need to try to discuss with you. Bye.

[ChiangMaiFun]

Well... that's true - was this one? i say again: vote vote vote - the current government (which was not elected) say no,no,no - I think, come the general election, whatever the yelow government try to stage they will suffer a defeat - why? because they have not engaged the people.

The current government was put together by properly voted for MP's. As such the coalition is perfectly legal, just like the recent new governments in the UK and Australia.

The yellows will not suffer a defeat, their new party will probably not get many votes, is all. That doesn't bother the Dem's, or others.

nonsense - the government have benefited by the coup - they only gained power through MP's 'swapping' sides - nothing like the UK coalition - when i referred to 'yellows' I was thinking 'Dems'. The only proper election was when the reds gained power - then lost it again through the courts - not through votes.

No need to try to discuss with you. Bye.

I agree - you can't argue with facts and logic - bye

[rubl]

The current government was put together by properly voted for MP's. As such the coalition is perfectly legal, just like the recent new governments in the UK and Australia.

The yellows will not suffer a defeat, their new party will probably not get many votes, is all. That doesn't bother the Dem's, or others.

nonsense - the government have benefited by the coup - they only gained power through MP's 'swapping' sides - nothing like the UK coalition - when i referred to 'yellows' I was thinking 'Dems'. The only proper election was when the reds gained power - then lost it again through the courts - not through votes.

No need to try to discuss with you. Bye.

I agree - you can't argue with facts and logic - bye

I have learned to recognize when a stage is reached where any remark is rejected and turned upside down. You may have fun with other posters, no problem. There are a few others who think like you and always need to come with the 'illegal, not elected government' ploy. Say that often enough and you start to believe it yourself. Have fun and keep smiling.

[ChiangMaiFun]

No need to try to discuss with you. Bye.

I agree - you can't argue with facts and logic - bye

I have learned to recognize when a stage is reached where any remark is rejected and turned upside down. You may have fun with other posters, no problem. There are a few others who think like you and always need to come with the 'illegal, not elected government' ploy. Say that often enough and you start to believe it yourself. Have fun and keep smiling.

I only reflect many peoples view - i am farang and as such it's not really my problem - but NO ONE has ever voted this government in - yes it's legal - but it was formed out of political expediency not by popular vote. You may claim, as do others, it's legal! yes and so was Stalin and Hitler (not saying these in any way relate to the current government - but they were legal). It is not enough to be 'legal' it must reflect the popular vote - and no it doesn't. This is my sincere view - not as a 'red' - but as an observer - I long for the next election - 'if' Dems win it (fairly) I shall support it. I guess I dislike 'deals' - I am British and I dislike also the coalition we now have but it cannot be compared to the 'dirty' politics here.

[letitbe]

As a northern Thai, Mr. Super-Duper, he's probably a much better litmus test than you are. But, as you will see if you read my post, I was talking about my village in general.

now now khun 63 posts! I was simply balancing the 'Thailand hates Thaksin' rubbish - if this is true hold elections and find out!

and lets hope you dont get what you want if you do you will learn and move quickly out of Thailand - Mr T is as evil as they come and you will only understand that to late if your wish comes true - but you wont suffer only the poor Thais

[ChiangMaiFun]

As a northern Thai, Mr. Super-Duper, he's probably a much better litmus test than you are. But, as you will see if you read my post, I was talking about my village in general.

now now khun 63 posts! I was simply balancing the 'Thailand hates Thaksin' rubbish - if this is true hold elections and find out!

and lets hope you dont get what you want if you do you will learn and move quickly out of Thailand - Mr T is as evil as they come and you will only understand that to late if your wish comes true - but you wont suffer only the poor Thais

evil is as evil does - i do not 'wish' for T to come back - I wish for a 'good man' to lead the Nation - but I don't see one

[TAWP]

the current government (which was not elected) //

It doesn't matter what you say when you don't have facts on your side.

Edited October 14, 2010 by TAWP

[GeorgeO]

and theyre both as corrupt as the day is long!!

Well, let's see: Thaksin sees himself as Mandela or Aung San Suu Kyi. Jatuporn likes to wear Gandhi teeshirts. Arisman sees himself as "a very parfait gentle knight". Meanwhile the Reds equate Abhisit with Hitler.

Is that comment an attempt to tar Abhisit with the same brush as Thaksin...?? If so, then you are talking absolute b...ocks!

There is sufficient proof of Thaksin's misdeeds to put him away for life ... or even worse. No-one has succeeded in finding any evidence of corruption against Abhisit, and it isn't for the want of trying!

I do wish people would post factual comments, as opposed to running off at the mouth before engaging their brain.

[howzat]

As a northern Thai, Mr. Super-Duper, he's probably a much better litmus test than you are. But, as you will see if you read my post, I was talking about my village in general.

now now khun 63 posts! I was simply balancing the 'Thailand hates Thaksin' rubbish - if this is true hold elections and find out!

Would you say that under the current Government things have got better or worse than under previous administrations. Leaving aside the red shirt issues, corruption etc do you think the general feeling of well being by Thais has increased. The general consensus of opinion from ex pats who have lived here for longer than the 11 years I have been here is that "grenjai" consideration is disappearing from Thai's personality, and that rudeness and lack of consideration of others is becoming the order of the day. In fact it seems to me that Thailand does not really want to be part of a gobal world and is becoming more insular and inward looking and has no real interst in what is hapenning in the outside world and is becoming an every man for him self culture. Maybe it was always like this but I recall 11 years ago this was really the land of smiles

[ChiangMaiFun]

As a northern Thai, Mr. Super-Duper, he's probably a much better litmus test than you are. But, as you will see if you read my post, I was talking about my village in general.

now now khun 63 posts! I was simply balancing the 'Thailand hates Thaksin' rubbish - if this is true hold elections and find out!

Would you say that under the current Government things have got better or worse than under previous administrations. Leaving aside the red shirt issues, corruption etc do you think the general feeling of well being by Thais has increased. The general consensus of opinion from ex pats who have lived here for longer than the 11 years I have been here is that "grenjai" consideration is disappearing from Thai's personality, and that rudeness and lack of consideration of others is becoming the order of the day. In fact it seems to me that Thailand does not really want to be part of a gobal world and is becoming more insular and inward looking and has no real interst in what is hapenning in the outside world and is becoming an every man for him self culture. Maybe it was always like this but I recall 11 years ago this was really the land of smiles

I do believe you have it right on the button here - you have lived here much longer than most of us I'd think. I think, forgetting all the red/yellow junk, that Thailand is 'losing' that special 'something' it had before and generally becoming more and more selfish. I guess it's a 'given' that as a society becomes more 'westernised' it automatically becomse more 'commercialised and materialised' losing much of the 'spiritual' values it may have once held. It all stems from greed and avarice from those that exploit others. Thailand is desperate for a 'good' leader - it has never had a 'Ghandi' or 'Mandala' and promotion is rarely based on merit - it really is 'mai pen rai' meaning 'I don't care'.

I notice too that MLM is on the surge - creating selfish personas who's only wish is to climb the MLM ladder to riches on the backs of something that may cost 10 baht selling for 100 after all the 'agents' have had their cut. Not a good sign.

[inmysights]

Shame youve found evidence of this for all of us. Except the ones happy with his bribes.

Not sure about that. I was in Sathorn, just two streets away whilst all the rallying was going on and the entire soi had their radio /tv's switched on to the rallies day and night. All of the Issan workers in my building were pro Taksin, but none of them joined the rally. I tried to talk to them (I speak Thai) about what Taksin had done in the past and wanted to continue to do, and all I got was 'you farang, you don't understand'.

Whilst of course people were being shipped down from the pedominently Northern provinces, and being paid to do so, their sense of injustice was very real, and in my view, rightly so. Having said that I am no fan of Taksin and saw him for what he was from the start. But have become very disenchanted with Abbhisit also.

I agree with the poster who said he should've come back and served his jail time, which would almost certainly have been reduced to a fraction of that which was meted out, if at all. Instead he's now having many more and worse charges laid against him. He's obviously unaware of the saying 'when you're in a hole, stop digging'.

[rixalex]

I agree with the poster who said he should've come back and served his jail time, which would almost certainly have been reduced to a fraction of that which was meted out, if at all. Instead he's now having many more and worse charges laid against him. He's obviously unaware of the saying 'when you're in a hole, stop digging'.

This would have been a true master-stroke. People talk about what a great political player the man is, but simply coming back and facing charges would have created a massive dilemma for the authorities and put them in a very tight corner. Thank goodness the man is a coward.

[rubl]

Just the understand one side of the coin, check this collection of quotes from 'voice of thaksin'. Makes you wonder about the interpretation of 'elite', 'democracy' and 'justice'.

http://www.2bangkok.com/10/RedPublications1002b.shtml

Edited October 15, 2010 by rubl

[Ricardo]

I agree with the poster who said he should've come back and served his jail time, which would almost certainly have been reduced to a fraction of that which was meted out, if at all. Instead he's now having many more and worse charges laid against him. He's obviously unaware of the saying 'when you're in a hole, stop digging'.

This would have been a true master-stroke. People talk about what a great political player the man is, but simply coming back and facing charges would have created a massive dilemma for the authorities and put them in a very tight corner. Thank goodness the man is a coward.

But had he stayed here, or returned after he went to watch the Olympics, then he could not have avoided all the other court-cases, and would (if found guilty of any of them) have been facing a much much longer time in jail.

[hammered]

Just the understand one side of the coin, check this collection of quotes from 'voice of thaksin'. Makes you wonder about the interpretation of 'elite', 'democracy' and 'justice'.

http://www.2bangkok.com/10/RedPublications1002b.shtml

The most amazing thing I found on that set of photos was the obsequiosness of the red leaders and publications in sucking up to Thaksin. Any talk of it not being about him is undermined almost totally in that collection. According to those present about 70-80% of the April to May rally speeches were praising Thaksin too or negatively comparing his enemies. The cult of personality is truly amazing. He must really be one of the biggest egomaniacs around right now. Maybe on a par with Murdoch

[virtualtraveller]

....But Thaksin is unlikely to return to Thailand even if the opposition wins the next election, he said.

"He has so many enemies. It would take time to wait until the hatred subsides and the people who hate him have money and weapons," said Pavin.

This sums it up really, but Thaksin is a fighter and willing to go on, besides he has a lot of others on his gravy train who 'want back into the system'.

Either he's

a) fighting to get his lot back in power so he can better negotiate the terms of pardon

he's got a judgement of blind faith that sooner or later he can return to power and Thailand be damned of the consequence

Personally, I think he's spent, he's not stupid, surely he knows that his returning to power will likely cause a headache much greater than the one the present govt has to deal with, he's probably just angling for the best (most influencial) deal he can.

I find it laughable when Chalerm tells everyone that if PT wins he'll bring Thaksin back, it's easier said than done, they will have to jump through legal hoops to achieve it. will be blocked at almost every turn by the 'system wielding the law books', and if they should do something as blatant as tearing up the rule book the public in Bangkok simply won't accept it, so we're likely to see a protracted stand off of PT channelling all their efforts fruitlessly into exonerating one man, so the course of history will go for the next few years in Thailand until an acceptable deal is struck and only after Thaksin realises the weakness of his position.

Another thing, if Thaksin is banned from politics for 5 years, what are the disciplinary procedures and punishments if it can be proved they were engaging in politics. A PT spokesman recently said that they had a vid-con meeting with Thaksin in which Thaksin was deciding who should be the party leader, in the spirit of the law this could easily be interpreted as engaging in politics. Well, I suppose the same could be said of Newin.

Again, it's all so laughable that PT regard themselves as the rightful governing party on the basis of having the largest support among the electorate and yet they are barely a political party, their official leader has no power, they have to defer to a convicted criminal and fugitive outside of the country (how can you effectively run a party from Dubai - you can't which is why PT is in disarray), the present nominations for future PM revolve around 'the most pliant, most pro-monarchy, most 'acceptable' person, sometimes an unknown who hasn't risen up through the party ranks and barely has the respect of the various factions. And this is the 'people's choice' for the next govt?

[slapout]

Ricardo states a fact which is overlooked/ignored by many of the T. supporters. There are enough charges waiting for his personal appearance to be filed that the 2 year sentence is probably the least of his problems. Not remembering the exact number, plus the other potential charges he skipped on, the potential incarceration he faces is substantial. Add probable family member involvement, cronies, and supporters, if he were ever brought to face the justice system, he would probably be hung out to dry, after the spin cycle.

[rubl]

To refresh anyones memory less we forget. From May 6 this year when the PM had just proposed a Nov'14 election and UDD had tentatively accepted.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/05/06/politics/Polls-set-date-for-House-dissolution-30128638.html

and the TV topic

[ogb]

To refresh anyones memory less we forget. From May 6 this year when the PM had just proposed a Nov'14 election and UDD had tentatively accepted.

http://www.nationmul...n-30128638.html

and the TV topic

http://www.thaivisa....-live-thursday/

The only politicians who avoid elections are the ones who know they are likely to lose - it's the same the world over.

[hyperdimension]

The only politicians who avoid elections are the ones who know they are likely to lose - it's the same the world over.

Governments are not obliged to hold snap elections every time a protesting mob of thugs / terrorists / misled poor people demand it.

There is already a set date by which the government is obliged to hold elections. The troublemakers could have simply waited in peace for some months instead of causing this whole violent mess.