Remembrance Day

[Kan Win]

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [/url]Remembrance Day

Remembrance Day in Canada. The memorial at the McCrae House (detail view); two Canadian-style poppy pins can be seen resting on the sculpture.Official nameRemembrance DayAlso calledPoppy Day, Armistice DayObserved byCommonwealth of Nations (except Mozambique)TypeInternationalSignificanceCommemorates Commonwealth war deadDate11 NovemberObservancesParades, silencesRelated toVeterans DayRemembrance Day (also known as Poppy Day, Armistice Day or Veterans Day) is a memorial day observed in Commonwealth countries to remember the sacrifices of members of the armed forces and civilians in times of war, specifically since the First World War. This day, or alternative dates, are also recognised as special days for war remembrances in many non-Commonwealth countries.

It is observed on 11 November to recall the official end of World War I.

[planemad]

Thank you Kan Win, I know every year you post regarding Rememberance day. I believe today it is as important as ever. I hope you dont mind, but I enclose the entire poem from Laurence Binyon, many are aware of verse 4 as it is repeated many times at this time. I reiterate your comment "Lest we forget". Also, not just the fallen from England, but remember the fallen of all nations who fought along side in the name of freedom.

For The Fallen

With proud thanksgiving, a mother for her children,

England mourns for her dead across the sea.

Flesh of her flesh they were, spirit of her spirit,

Fallen in the cause of the free.

Solemn the drums thrill; Death august and royal

Sings sorrow up into immortal spheres,

There is music in the midst of desolation

And a glory that shines upon our tears.

They went with songs to the battle, they were young,

Straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow.

They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted;

They fell with their faces to the foe.

They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:

Age shall not weary them, nor the years contemn.

At the going down of the sun and in the morning

We will remember them.

They mingle not with their laughing comrades again;

They sit no more at familiar tables of home;

They have no lot in our labour of the day-time;

They sleep beyond England's foam.

But where our desires are and our hopes profound,

Felt as a well-spring that is hidden from sight,

To the innermost heart of their own land they are known

As the stars are known to the Night;

As the stars that shall be bright when we are dust,

Moving in marches upon the heavenly plain;

As the stars that are starry in the time of our darkness,

To the end, to the end, they remain.

We must NEVER forget!

KS

Edited November 10, 2010 by planemad

[Tonto21]

Thank you Kan Win and Planemad

Yes! 11/11/11. To fallen comrades and friends who died or now carry the world on there shoulders and the demons on there back.

Morn there passing celebrate there memory. They died not for there country's gutless politicians, but there comrades in the mud next to

them

In memory of old friends. “Lest we forget”

[cdnvic]

Thank you / Merci

[Forethat]

An interesting idea (and certainly valid judging from the lack of connection to Thailand) would be a separate forum, why not call it "Canadians and Canucks as a whole family"?

What say you!?

[JUDAS]

[Chalky]

Does anybody know which Bangkok bars will be showing the Service live later today please?

"Sua Tela Tonanti"

Lest we Forget.

[geriatrickid]

I remember and give thanks for the safe return of my family from WWI, WWII and Korea.

[Chalky]

Does anybody know which Bangkok bars will be showing the Service live later today please?

"Sua Tela Tonanti"

Lest we Forget.

Thanks Dinger, I will be at Chequers Bar later on Soi 4 as suggested.

Lest we forget

[mark45y]

An interesting idea (and certainly valid judging from the lack of connection to Thailand) would be a separate forum, why not call it "Canadians and Canucks as a whole family"?

What say you!?

In an age where heroes tend to be hard to find, where a man’s success is judged by his wealth, his influence and his power, it is sometimes worth taking a moment to remember that bravery is a great virtue and one which seems lacking in the safe and insular world in which we live today.

On 11th November at eleven minutes past the eleventh hour a ceremony is held every year at the Chiang Mai foreign cemetery, as indeed it is held in thousands of other locations around the globe. Originally marked as a day to remember the allied soldiers who lost their lives in combat during the Great War (First World War), the remembrance ceremony, together with the red roses of Flanders, has subsequently been extended to cover the dead of more recent wars. It is salutary when you take a moment out of your life to remember that the world is as it is today because millions have sacrificed their lives in combat to allow it to be so. And frankly we should all be more grateful.

This memorial in Chiang Mai is dedicated to the memory of the AVG Flying Tigers. On the side of the obelisk monument there is also an inscription which honours these men, their Commander Claire Lee Chennault, and the Free Thai.

At 4 a.m. on 24th March, 1942, ten P-40 Tomahawks lifted off into the darkness from a small British auxiliary field in Burma. Three of the pilots had never flown at night before and only one had been to Chiang Mai. They were heading to the new Japanese air bases in the Chiang Mai valley. Flying at ten thousand feet in pitch darkness in a blinding haze using only time and direction as their navigation tool.

In total Charlie Bond made four daring passes that morning, and twenty planes were destroyed before the squadron headed back for safety.

At a time when the allied war against Japan was fought on the defensive this was a major victory for allied morale and a great blow to the Japanese.

Flight Leader William ‘Black Mac’ McGarry’s plane was struck by ground fire just before the end of the raid but he managed to parachute into the jungle near Mae Hong Son before his plane crashed into the hills of Chiang Mai. He wandered the jungle for 28 days before being found by Thais, who then turned him over to the Japanese.

Sadly, the leader of the AVG’s Second Squadron, John Van Kuren ‘Scarsdale Jack’ Newkirk’s plane was hit by ground fire and crashed near Lamphun as he was leading the squadron on a separate attack on a Japanese airfield at Lamphun. He was not so fortunate as to walk away.

The above taken from an article in “Chiang Mai City Life.”

[ignoramus]

Well done people. Thanks to those who died so young I have lived far longer than I deserve to, It's still the 11th here, and at 11am the news was made to wait.

[Moonrakers]

[sarahsbloke]

To have taken part in WW1, you would need to be over 100 years old.

To have taken part in WW2, you would have to be over 80 years old.

The only living person I know of, who took part is the current Pope, a former member of the Hitler youth who participated by helping shoot down allied aircraft.

Do we need to be reminded each year, how 'evil the Germans' were, how 'cruel the Japanese' were.

How much longer will remembrance day continue?

How relevant is it to a Thailand forum?

Surely time to forgive and forget!

What do German and Japanese members of TV think of this thread?

Edited November 11, 2010 by sarahsbloke

[Moonrakers]

To have taken part in WW1, you would need to be over 100 years old.

To have taken part in WW2, you would have to be over 80 years old.

The only living person I know of, who took part is the current Pope, a former member of the Hitler youth who participated by helping shoot down allied aircraft.

Do we need to be reminded each year, how 'evil the Germans' were, how 'cruel the Japanese' were.

How much longer will remembrance day continue?

How relevant is it to a Thailand forum?

Surely time to forgive and forget!

What do German and Japanese members of TV think of this thread?

Go to google and read a little before posting in this thread again.

Surely time to forgive and forget!

You have missed the point entirely

[streetlife]

Do we need to be reminded each year, how 'evil the Germans' were, how 'cruel the Japanese' were.

How much longer will remembrance day continue?

How relevant is it to a Thailand forum?

Surely time to forgive and forget!

You deserve a slap.

[JUDAS]

To have taken part in WW1, you would need to be over 100 years old.

To have taken part in WW2, you would have to be over 80 years old.

The only living person I know of, who took part is the current Pope, a former member of the Hitler youth who participated by helping shoot down allied aircraft.

Do we need to be reminded each year, how 'evil the Germans' were, how 'cruel the Japanese' were.

How much longer will remembrance day continue?

How relevant is it to a Thailand forum?

Surely time to forgive and forget!

What do German and Japanese members of TV think of this thread?

Remembrance Day has nothing to do with forgiving old enemies. It's purpose is to pay respect, honor and remember those who lost their lives defending ours. IMO it in no way glorifies war but actually reminds us all of the huge human cost.

As for other countries, it's up to them how they wish to commemorate their huge lose of life in war.

[Moonrakers]

I think some are forgetting that it isn't just about the losses in WWI and WW2. But losses, both civilian and military, in warfare up until this very day.

I think perhaps that is what SB is missing here.

[tmd5855]

To have taken part in WW1, you would need to be over 100 years old.

To have taken part in WW2, you would have to be over 80 years old.

The only living person I know of, who took part is the current Pope, a former member of the Hitler youth who participated by helping shoot down allied aircraft.

Do we need to be reminded each year, how 'evil the Germans' were, how 'cruel the Japanese' were.

How much longer will remembrance day continue?

How relevant is it to a Thailand forum?

Surely time to forgive and forget!

What do German and Japanese members of TV think of this thread?

Your post had me stuck for words?

You have had many replies pointing out quite correctly the error of your post and why.

You are a lucky person to have the freedom to question, nay ignore the sacrifice that others have given so you have the freedom to sit in comfort and question all things with "Why"

Just consider who gave you the right to free speech, peaceful society to live among within a democracy.

Sleep in your own bed without shouts outside your door because of your politics, religion or your colour.

You can do so since many, many people who were terrified and wanted to be somewhere else put themselves in harms way. Just so you could continue living your life as you want.

We are remembering these poor souls that never came home from harms way.

Never came home to those that loved them.

Instead they may have died a painful and lonely death in some godforsaken land.

Please consider them for 1 minute. They gave their lifetime of minutes.

Shame on you if you cannot give 60 seconds?

[purplehaze]

enough said.:jap:

[mark45y]

History is like a child and a flame. If the child forgets the flame is hot he gets burned. If we forget history we are doomed to repeat it.

There was evil in the world during the second world war. There were the evil forces and the good. Those that fought against evil and those that fought against the good. There were no abstentions. If you weren't for the side of good you were on the side of evil.

People should remember. Young people should be taught that appeasing a tyrant does not work. It only leads to more tyranny.

What relevance to Thailand?

It is especially important for Thailand to remember what happened and what could have happened. Japanese forced Thai children who siphoned gas from their vehicles to drink the gasoline until they died. Thai people did little to prevent thousands of Allied deaths in prison camps. Even with that the Americans pulled their butts out of the fire after the war or thousands would have starved like a million Vietnamese starved in Hanoi after the war. Thais should remember who are their friends. Who were their friends even in adversity and with plentiful evidence of wrong doing.

What is not relevant is to say, "It happened before I was born and does not make any difference to me."

Forgiveness is fine. Forgetting is only inviting it to happen again.

[roamer]

To have taken part in WW1, you would need to be over 100 years old.

To have taken part in WW2, you would have to be over 80 years old.

The only living person I know of, who took part is the current Pope, a former member of the Hitler youth who participated by helping shoot down allied aircraft.

Do we need to be reminded each year, how 'evil the Germans' were, how 'cruel the Japanese' were.

How much longer will remembrance day continue?

How relevant is it to a Thailand forum?

Surely time to forgive and forget!

What do German and Japanese members of TV think of this thread?

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

George Santayana.

[Tonto21]

To have taken part in WW1, you would need to be over 100 years old.

To have taken part in WW2, you would have to be over 80 years old.

The only living person I know of, who took part is the current Pope, a former member of the Hitler youth who participated by helping shoot down allied aircraft.

Do we need to be reminded each year, how 'evil the Germans' were, how 'cruel the Japanese' were.

How much longer will remembrance day continue?

How relevant is it to a Thailand forum?

Surely time to forgive and forget!

What do German and Japanese members of TV think of this thread?

I would expect any German and Japanese reading this topic would realise, and have the good grace to back away quietly. (Obviously over the top of your head) this is about paying tribute to fallen comrades and friends, not about glorifying armed conflict.

Fact is a soldier is a soldier, is a soldier, be he friend of foe, good and bad. 98% of front line troops from any army would sooner let someone else do the fighting, and most defiantly would prefer someone else do the dying!

No soldier lays down his life for his country, he has it ripped from his physical body.

I survived physically and mentally pretty much intact from my experiences, many did/have not. You say we should should walk away from the memory of these service-personnel and civvies who gave it all to spare any possible discomfort to a few.

Sarahsbloke, You are a said act! Unfortunately your not alone, your kind gave my country's flag to a bunch of racist bas**d, the BMP, and Lotto money to every ethnic lesbians woman group you could find, but reject funding for old soldiers (what would be for many there last chance) to visit and pay there last respect to fallen comrades on the 50^th anniversary of D-day.

[sarahsbloke]

In answer to your posts

War is wrong, there is no justification for killing another human being for any reason.

Thou shalt not kill

Make love, not war.

[Moonrakers]

In answer to your posts

War is wrong, there is no justification for killing another human being for any reason.

Thou shalt not kill

Make love, not war.

So you are suggesting the allied civilians and soldiers who died did something wrong?

[roamer]

In answer to your posts

War is wrong, there is no justification for killing another human being for any reason.

Thou shalt not kill

Make love, not war.

By that reasoning we should never have fought WW11 and should have just let the Nazi killing machine roll on until when exactly ?

[kennkate]

Sarahsbloke.. Forgive yes But never Forget

[sarahsbloke]

@transam

Only one person ever died for me, his name was Jesus.

Please don't suggest differently.

Edited November 11, 2010 by sarahsbloke

[roamer]

@transam

Only one person ever died for me, his name was Jesus.

Please don't suggest differently.

And he's probably wondering if it was worthwhile.....

[Moonrakers]

@transam

Only one person ever died for me, his name was Jesus.

Please don't suggest differently.

For crying out loud.

If your god is so wonderful anyway then why do wars happen in the first place?

Take your religious crap elsewhere SB. It doesn't belong here.

[geriatrickid]

To have taken part in WW1, you would need to be over 100 years old.

To have taken part in WW2, you would have to be over 80 years old.

The only living person I know of, who took part is the current Pope, a former member of the Hitler youth who participated by helping shoot down allied aircraft.

Do we need to be reminded each year, how 'evil the Germans' were, how 'cruel the Japanese' were.

How much longer will remembrance day continue?

How relevant is it to a Thailand forum?

Surely time to forgive and forget!

What do German and Japanese members of TV think of this thread?

I had written a longer post on my 1st go around but opted for a 1 liner because I figured most people would understand. Unfortunately, it seems you do not get it, so I am going to give you a response that will perhaps impress upon you why some of us remember.

1. One of my family members served in the trenches in WWI. He was a simple factory worker in civilian life. He did his duty and watched the gas warfare. He wasn't a soldier. Another of my relatives was in the German army on the eastern front, drafted out of medical school. He had no idea what he was doing and left Germany right after the war because he couldn't handle what he called the descent into madness. He was an idealistic socialist. He wasn't a soldier.

2. In WWII, I am grateful that my family member survived the Battle of the Gulf of the St Lawrence and North Atlantic because the German U boats had been sinking any and all shipping, including civilian non combatant vessels, in Canadian waters. From the start of the Japanese involvement until early 1943, the RCN and RCAF was the only thing between between the Germans and North America as the US had moved most of its assets to the west coast to defend against the Japanese. The Canadians were the ones running 40% of the convoys that kept Great Britain alive until the US Liberty ship program got into full swing. Thousands of Canadian and British sailors and merchant marine crew drowned or burnt to death during those convoys. Hundreds of Australians, South Africans and New Zelanders were flying out of Canada keeping those convoys going, keeping Great Britain alive and bringing orphans and other children to safety.. Many died when their boats were sunk by U boats. They are deserving of respect.

When I see the sacrifice of the men in my father's and grandfather's regiment made on the ground in Europe, some of whom were shot in the back after capture, I remember

. I remember the kindness and compassion shown by US servicemen when they liberated the Nazi concentration camps.

3. My great uncle had been a young rmedical resident in the US when the Japanese attacked. He volunteered for service in the South Pacific and was on hand when POWS were liberated from the camps. He wouldn't talk about it and I always thought he was such a quiet and kind guy. I only found out after he died that he was screwed up because of all the time spent with those POWs and the Japanese concentration camp survivors. I remember the US POWs and the Commonwealth servicemen that survived the Japanese death camps, all but forgotten by the general public. The Canadian veterans of the Hong Kong catastrophe never received the apology or redress they deserved for the years of torture and suffering they received in the Japanese POW camps. I remember the tens of thousands of Chinese citizens that were sacrificed in cruel sadistic Japanese experiments to see how much pain could be inflicted or to wtach the effect of gangrene or to see if someone could survive with missing parts. etc. etc.

I am grateful for the sacrifice of US and Commonwealth forces that liberated part of my family from the Japanese occupation in China. The Japanese were not very nice to some of my family members.

4. I give thanks because I never had to deal with thousands of communists running at undermanned undergunned positions in Korea or in being so overwhelmed that one was dropping arillery barrages into allied positions. At least that family member came back alive.

5. I remember my classmates that served in the Persian Gulf and in Afghanistan. I give thanks that I never had to go through what they did.

6. Whenever I look at the images of the WWI and WWII tombstones, I note the ages. 17, 18, 19, 20, 21. All so young. All so many from small towns and villages. All that they could have been or might have been stopped, so that an insensitive prat like you could say, why should they be remembered, and what does their sacrifice matter. They died so that you could sit there and disrespect them. Sorry, but too many members of my family have done their duty for King and Country and all my freedoms and all my rights today I owe them.

Sarahsbloke, if you want to be an arse and play the devil's advocate, take it to another thread please.

Edited November 11, 2010 by geriatrickid