Thousands Of Red Shirts Protest In Bangkok

[Siam Simon]

Well said and just to raise another bugbear why have there been no arrests, accusations, video footage released, in short zero progress in the pursuit of those persons who lit the buildings ??

Just who did it is increasingly uncertain.

The area was awash with troops, police, security guards and possibly some staff and concerned owners and video cameras..........

How come nothing to indicate anything has been released.

Yes, nothing. Not a cellphone video or photo, not a witness, nothing.

[Siam Simon]

Terribly sorry for a late reply, but I had to work today.

You still do not firmly say what you are convinced of or what not, even if it was a week ago. Now you have serious doubts, but I'm still not sure as to of what, because you do not state. That's the problem.

I can probably clarify things a little bit, IMHO of course, but well, for obvious reasons I'm not in a position to provide the clear answers you seek and I'd like to provide. For one I doubt you've got the right security clearance. With wikileaks being embarrassing I also have to watch my every single step and (as some have it) even my IP address. Go figure.

I might ask for people to check on you to get clearance, but that might not give the expected result. Anyway we try and will get in touch with you in due time.

Don't loose hope or faith in the mean time. Try to stay cool and keep smiling.

Uh.....Oh, You watched The Matrix last night as well.

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[SamritT]

Thousands? Really? So many? Must cost Thaksin quite a bit.

[AleG]

Well said and just to raise another bugbear why have there been no arrests, accusations, video footage released, in short zero progress in the pursuit of those persons who lit the buildings ??

Just who did it is increasingly uncertain.

The area was awash with troops, police, security guards and possibly some staff and concerned owners and video cameras..........

How come nothing to indicate anything has been released.

Yes, nothing. Not a cellphone video or photo, not a witness, nothing.

I did see footage on the news of some Red Shirts smashing in the windows on the Rama I (I think) side of Central World, they where throwing things into the fire or starting the fires themselves, that I can't remember clearly. For sure they where breaking the windows, throwing things in and there was fire inside.

But really, saying this was a false flag operation is the height of spinning. The Red Shirts threatened wide spread arson from the very beginning, they accumulated inflammable materials and then when the time came and the fires start, why, of course!, it must had been someone else doing the burning.

Did government agent provocateurs also start all the other other fires in Bangkok? Channel 3, Electricity Authority Building, Siam Theatre, etc, etc, etc...?

Edited December 15, 2010 by AleG

[whybother]

Except, with no evidence of the army being inside, an army conspiracy is clutching at straws.

grasping. Grasping at straws is the saying

Actually, they're interchangable.

[AleG]

Well, after looking around I could find I short clip of the footage (or something that looks like my recollection of it)

My link

It begins after the windows have been broken though, so it's not the full footage.

[rubl]

Well, after looking around I could find I short clip of the footage (or something that looks like my recollection of it)

My link

It begins after the windows have been broken though, so it's not the full footage.

With all the violence some wonder why no one stepped forward to confess. Go figure

[jdinasia]

Well said and just to raise another bugbear why have there been no arrests, accusations, video footage released, in short zero progress in the pursuit of those persons who lit the buildings ??

Just who did it is increasingly uncertain.

The area was awash with troops, police, security guards and possibly some staff and concerned owners and video cameras..........

How come nothing to indicate anything has been released.

Yes, nothing. Not a cellphone video or photo, not a witness, nothing.

Not true.

The foreigner that was initially accused in the CW fire stated unequivocally that he was NOT there, that he was at the Channel 3 fire with the reds but did not participate in the razing of that building.

[termsak]

Siam Simon...does it have to be spoon fed to you? How about using some common sense and logic? I'm sure if the Reds were about to burn your house and borrowed your lighter, you still would think it was a Government Black Ops...geez. Do these thing grow?

Edited December 15, 2010 by termsak

[Siam Simon]

So, we have a short video of some people (who?) appearing to stoke the fire in Zen (a promising start), and confirmation that one particular Red Shirt militant wasn't there (useless info wrt this discussion). Anything more? We might be onto something.

termsak,

Do you intend to add anything useful to this discussion at some point, or are you just going to continue hurling childish insults?

[termsak]

So, we have a short video of some people (who?) appearing to stoke the fire in Zen (a promising start), and confirmation that one particular Red Shirt militant wasn't there (useless info wrt this discussion). Anything more? We might be onto something.

termsak,

Do you intend to add anything useful to this discussion at some point, or are you just going to continue hurling childish insults?

Simon, so you are telling me that I don't add anything and that my comments are childish and useless? Do YOU think YOUR comments add anything useful? Because in MY opinion, your comments are so insulting to intelligence it's almost funny. Actually bordering to insanity..

As I said, please use some common sense and logic will ya? Have a re-read of my initial write up and try to think. Shouldn't be that hard. Maybe ask yourself: Why would the Government wait 2 months before burning our country's own buildings? Oh, probably because they wanted the red shirts to block traffic, storm a hospital with patients, throw some M79's at innocent citizens, hold people hostage in their own neighborhood before starting this "Black Ops". Geez!

Even the stray dogs around CTW knew it was the red terrorists doing the mayhem.

[Siam Simon]

So, we have a short video of some people (who?) appearing to stoke the fire in Zen (a promising start), and confirmation that one particular Red Shirt militant wasn't there (useless info wrt this discussion). Anything more? We might be onto something.

termsak,

Do you intend to add anything useful to this discussion at some point, or are you just going to continue hurling childish insults?

Simon, so you are telling me that I don't add anything and that my comments are childish and useless? Do YOU think YOUR comments add anything useful? Because in MY opinion, your comments are so insulting to intelligence it's almost funny. Actually bordering to insanity..

As I said, please use some common sense and logic will ya? Have a re-read of my initial write up and try to think. Shouldn't be that hard. Maybe ask yourself: Why would the Government wait 2 months before burning our country's own buildings? Oh, probably because they wanted the red shirts to block traffic, storm a hospital with patients, throw some M79's at innocent citizens, hold people hostage in their own neighborhood before starting this "Black Ops". Geez!

Even the stray dogs around CTW knew it was the red terrorists doing the mayhem.

So, following your latest insult-laden rant, are you now going to add anything useful to the debate?

[SamritT]

Are Red shirt communist? I am just wondering. If so, are communist legal?

[mkawish]

Are Red shirt communist? I am just wondering. If so, are communist legal?

Their current lady leader, wife of Dr. Weng, is currently holding a temporary core leader position of the reds, who recently given an interview.

She said that most people did not recognize her cause she was working on the background supporting the reds.

She also spearheaded the reds training schools of all sorts in Thailand and neighboring countries.

She is a expert in red doctrine, Mao's version, a sure fire communist doctrine that is not illegal in ideas which are tolerated in Thailand but it is illegal to carry out those communist ideas and actions within the territorial of Thailand. And so is her husband who has been politically incarcerated with dual standards.

It is undemocratic and double standard to hold her husband and others in jail.

She and her new followers will demonstrate to affect the immediate release of her husband et al.

She will also politicize to all free countries in the world regarding Thailand unfair treatment of her husband and others who only wants the best democracy for Thailand.

She will marshal all Northeastern supporters to come down to BKK to show their unity toward the release of her husband et al and for a better democratic government.

She does not know of any former pm financial support to the current or past redshirt leaders and movement.

She will continue toward the cause of new and better democratic govt even if it means having to show some unity and force which are common in the course of

progressing toward a more perfect govt.

Her husband did not burn down any building and did not commit any crime. It is a shame that he has been so seriously charged by current puppet govt.

She and her red shirt supporters from all over the country will be victorious, if and when there is a new true democratic and fair election next year.

Edited December 15, 2010 by mkawish

[Pi Sek]

Simon, so you are telling me that I don't add anything and that my comments are childish and useless? Do YOU think YOUR comments add anything useful? Because in MY opinion, your comments are so insulting to intelligence it's almost funny. Actually bordering to insanity..

As I said, please use some common sense and logic will ya? Have a re-read of my initial write up and try to think. Shouldn't be that hard. Maybe ask yourself: Why would the Government wait 2 months before burning our country's own buildings? Oh, probably because they wanted the red shirts to block traffic, storm a hospital with patients, throw some M79's at innocent citizens, hold people hostage in their own neighborhood before starting this "Black Ops". Geez!

Even the stray dogs around CTW knew it was the red terrorists doing the mayhem.

So, following your latest insult-laden rant, are you now going to add anything useful to the debate?

Where's the insult(s)? Not trying to stir you up, but I can't see one...? OK, some references and suggestion that your comments are hard for termsak to fathom, but no insult

[Pi Sek]

Their current lady leader, wife of Dr. Weng, is currently holding a temporary core leader position of the reds, who recently given an interview.

She said that most people did not recognize her cause she was working on the background supporting the reds.

She also spearheaded the reds training schools of all sorts in Thailand and neighboring countries.

She is a expert in red doctrine, Mao's version, a sure fire communist doctrine that is not illegal in ideas which are tolerated in Thailand but it is illegal to carry out those communist ideas and actions within the territorial of Thailand. And so is her husband who has been politically incarcerated with dual standards.

It is undemocratic and double standard to hold her husband and others in jail.

She and her new followers will demonstrate to affect the immediate release of her husband et al.

She will also politicize to all free countries in the world regarding Thailand unfair treatment of her husband and others who only wants the best democracy for Thailand.

She will marshal all Northeastern supporters to come down to BKK to show their unity toward the release of her husband et al and for a better democratic government.

She does not know of any former pm financial support to the current or past redshirt leaders and movement.

She will continue toward the cause of new and better democratic govt even if it means having to show some unity and force which are common in the course of

progressing toward a more perfect govt.

Her husband did not burn down any building and did not commit any crime. It is a shame that he has been so seriously charged by current puppet govt.

She and her red shirt supporters from all over the country will be victorious, if and when there is a new true democratic and fair election next year.

Their current lady leader, wife of Dr. Weng, is currently holding a temporary core leader position of the reds, who recently given an interview.

"Temporary core leader position?"

It is undemocratic and double standard to hold her husband and others in jail.

I disagree. I think it is very democratic to incarcerate anyone who forcefully puts the rights of a small number of people ahead of the rights of everyone else.

As for the double standards, I agree to an extent - as "anyone who forcefully puts the rights of a small number of people ahead of the rights of everyone else" must include some in the governments of Thaksin, Samak, Somchai and Abhisit (the list I'm sure doesn't stop there), the army, the police, the UDD, the PAD - but I don't agree you can apply it here as the incarceration of the UDD leaders has saved lives. In other words - the UDD's violent protest movement (the was a larger peaceful one, too, by the way) caused death, and the imprisonment of their leaders caused this death to cease. If the airport siege got bloody, I would have imagined we would have seen Chamlong et al in prison.

She and her new followers will demonstrate to affect the immediate release of her husband et al.

She will also politicize to all free countries in the world regarding Thailand unfair treatment of her husband and others who only wants the best democracy for Thailand.

She will marshal all Northeastern supporters to come down to BKK to show their unity toward the release of her husband et al and for a better democratic government.

But the current government is entirely democratic. I've heard all the arguments that it isn't, but they're all based on fiction. Sorry, this government was elected in the same manner as ALL of the previous ones (except Surayudh's coup-appointed one in 2006 of course) - the leading coalition party did not have enough votes for an outright majority so they formed a coalition with smaller parties - just like the UK. It is simply ridiculous to claim otherwise or "double standards".

Dr Weng can scream about this all he wants, but an economy-crippling 3-month protest saying "we only want democracy" can't apply to a democratic country. Especially when about 100,000 people are incoveniencing, bullying and terrorising millions of others. That, by the way, is the antithesis of democracy, sorry to say.

Besides, 'marshalling all Northeastern supporters to come down to BKK to show their unity toward the release of her husband et al' is not democratic at all!

She does not know of any former pm financial support to the current or past redshirt leaders and movement.

Regardless of what she knows or doesn't know, the agenda of the UDD's chief donor cannot be ignored. Though I like her attempt to separate the Red Shirts from Thaksin, I just hope it's not the same guff we heard from Nattawut, Jatuporn and so on - but I'm understandably skeptical.

She will continue toward the cause of new and better democratic govt even if it means having to show some unity and force which are common in the course of progressing toward a more perfect govt.

That's a bit undemocratic don't you think? "Having to show unity and force which are common in the course of progressing toward a more perfect govt?" I mean, some violent revolutions in history have produced a "more perfect govt", but certainly it's hard to make an argument for this anywhere in the world within the last 200 years. And no violent revolution can be considered democratic, even if it has the backing of the people - just like an army coup. Is democracy really on the UDD agenda - or is it a "necessary evil" in revolution, as a means to an end?

Her husband did not burn down any building and did not commit any crime. It is a shame that he has been so seriously charged by current puppet govt.

He did not burn down the building but he was a leader in an organisation one of whose policies was to incite others to commit matt arson. That makes him, in any court in the world, MORE guilty of "conspiracy to commit arson" than the ones with the torches in their hands.

She and her red shirt supporters from all over the country will be victorious...

From all over the country? I know of very few where I'm from, in fact they're considered lower than dogs for the destruction they have caused to the country (rather than the fact that they are mostly from the North-east, as you pointed out above). As for whether they will be victorious - I doubt it given the fact that they have lost so much support - but nonetheless, I hope they won't be victorious because they still don't actually have a plan of how to fix the country's problems. The current government does.

...if and when there is a new true democratic and fair election next year.

Aha - got you! So we agree there will finally be a truly democratic and fair election in Thailand? For the first time since 2001? Not under Abhisit's watch, surely?