When The Roads In Thailand Get Deadly: Seven Dangerous Days

[Deeral]

Why do people go on about OTHER drivers? - If you are a good driver there is no need.

If you climb a mountain and fall off - you don't blame the mountain -

But if you are just sat there minding your own business and a mountain falls on you, is it Ok to blame the mountain then?

You really haven't got to grips with this critical thinking thing that you like to trot out at every available opportunity, especially the thinking part.

If you applied just one principle of critical thinking to the posts here you'd realise how wide of the mark they are

[Deeral]

Just to put things in perspective, Australia's Christmas road toll equates to less than 9 per day ("IF" its population was also 60 million, the same as Thailand's)

Thailand had 26 per day. Considering the shockingly bad way Thai's drive and the enormous amount of money that Australia devotes to trying to bring the road toll down to zero, the statistics are not that bad! Makes you wonder about saturation points of trying to achieve the impossible = no deaths. Millions and millions are spent trying to achieve this in Australia every year but to no avail.

Just something to mull over..

Source: http://www.smh.com.a...0102-19d4c.html

Australia has appalling driving stats as does the States - just look at any world ranking figures.it's not just throwing money at the problem, it's looking at the causes.I've said it before a large part of the problem is traffic engineering - which is virtually non-existant in Thailand and pretty hopeless in Australia too

[Deeral]

Why do people go on about OTHER drivers? - If you are a good driver there is no need.

If you climb a mountain and fall off - you don't blame the mountain -

Being a good driver is irrelevant if someone goes through a red light and hits you ... along with all the other things bad drivers do that you have no control over but could kill you.

only a really poor driver would say that.

[Thaddeus]

Why do people go on about OTHER drivers? - If you are a good driver there is no need.

If you climb a mountain and fall off - you don't blame the mountain -

But if you are just sat there minding your own business and a mountain falls on you, is it Ok to blame the mountain then?

You really haven't got to grips with this critical thinking thing that you like to trot out at every available opportunity, especially the thinking part.

If you applied just one principle of critical thinking to the posts here you'd realise how wide of the mark they are

Really, explain?

[Richb2004v2]

Why do people go on about OTHER drivers? - If you are a good driver there is no need.

If you climb a mountain and fall off - you don't blame the mountain -

Got to be Thai, or at least Asian.

[whybother]

Why do people go on about OTHER drivers? - If you are a good driver there is no need.

If you climb a mountain and fall off - you don't blame the mountain -

Being a good driver is irrelevant if someone goes through a red light and hits you ... along with all the other things bad drivers do that you have no control over but could kill you.

only a really poor driver would say that.

A good driver can't control everything that other drivers do on the road. They can avoid some things, but not everything.

[Deeral]

Why do people go on about OTHER drivers? - If you are a good driver there is no need.

If you climb a mountain and fall off - you don't blame the mountain -

Being a good driver is irrelevant if someone goes through a red light and hits you ... along with all the other things bad drivers do that you have no control over but could kill you.

only a really poor driver would say that.

A good driver can't control everything that other drivers do on the road. They can avoid some things, but not everything.

Only a really poor driver would feel the need to state something like that.

[Thaddeus]

A good driver can't control everything that other drivers do on the road. They can avoid some things, but not everything.

Only a really poor driver would feel the need to state something like that.

Errr .... why?

[Deeral]

A good driver can't control everything that other drivers do on the road. They can avoid some things, but not everything.

Only a really poor driver would feel the need to state something like that.

Errr .... why?

It's becoming fairly evident by the standard of questions on this thread that several posters should never get behind the wheel of a car in any country.If you are a competent driver you know how to drive in any circumstances and that going on about how bad OTHER drivers are is just a symptom of their own failings

[MikeyIdea]

I normally avoid driving during the big holidays as I consider it too dangerous but I ended up having to anyway this year. Great grand father ended up in hospital and all public transport fully booked for 3 days and grand parents couldn’t get home

Out of Bangkok evening Thur 30, around Loei for a couple of days and back morning 3 January, totally 1,500 km. I was surprised how relatively safe it was. I only saw one single accident on the way up and only 3 on the way down, no dead, no blood, no incidents either. Enormous contrast to what I used to see 15 years ago.

Only 33 dead per day in average? I would have thought much much more. Bangkok post reported 24,000 dead in traffic accidents per in 1992 (no source, no year – probably for 1991), Bangkok post reported 37,000 dead in traffic accidents per in 1997 I think it was (again no source and no year – probably 1996). 10,717 last year? We don’t know how that is counted though and I still think that it is much more, 20,000 maybe? Wasn’t it Italy where deaths in traffic accidents used to be counted as traffic accident deaths only if the person died within the first 24 hours? What is it here?

In Loei, the police were out doing alcohol checks until 4AM this New Year, half freezing to death, wow

The point with this strange post is to point out how very much safer Thailand has become the last 20 years. Here’s some perspective: It is really really going in the right direction

[Thaddeus]

A good driver can't control everything that other drivers do on the road. They can avoid some things, but not everything.

Only a really poor driver would feel the need to state something like that.

Errr .... why?

It's becoming fairly evident by the standard of questions on this thread that several posters should never get behind the wheel of a car in any country.

It is becoming more evident that some posters should not sit at a keyboard.

And you didn't answer the question.

[webfact]

UPDATE

New Year road toll rises to 325 after six days

The accumulated death toll caused by road accidents from December 29 until Monday has reached 325, the road accident prevention centre announced Tuesday.

Sorayuth Phettrakul, an assistant to the interior minister, said so far 3,453 people were injured in 3,227 accidents during the first six day of the seven deadly New Year holidays.

On Monday alone, 46 people were killed and 362 people were injured in 346 accidents.

-- The Nation 2011-01-04

[JetsetBkk]

Road safety remains a major concern in Thailand

Okay, the article starts with a load of 'hot air' & bullshite. I refer to the above quote. Its a load of nonesense.

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So what's wrong with having U-turns in the fast lane going straight back into the fast lane on the other side?

Seems pretty safe to me.

[MikeyIdea]

So what's wrong with having U-turns in the fast lane going straight back into the fast lane on the other side?

Seems pretty safe to me.

Please advice how you want to solve the problem of allowing cars to make u-turns then - come with solutions, not problems jetset

[apetley]

A good driver can't control everything that other drivers do on the road. They can avoid some things, but not everything.

Only a really poor driver would feel the need to state something like that.

Errr .... why?

It's becoming fairly evident by the standard of questions on this thread that several posters should never get behind the wheel of a car in any country.If you are a competent driver you know how to drive in any circumstances and that going on about how bad OTHER drivers are is just a symptom of their own failings

So if a yaabaa'd up bus driver slams into the back of me whilst I'm stationary at a set of lights I'm a poor driver am I? Can't control that can I.

If when I'm crossing an intersection at green drunken Somchai races through at 120 kph on the outside of traffic and t-bones me I'm a poor driver am I?

Can't control that can I.

[apetley]

So what's wrong with having U-turns in the fast lane going straight back into the fast lane on the other side?

Seems pretty safe to me.

Please advice how you want to solve the problem of allowing cars to make u-turns then - come with solutions, not problems jetset

Properly engineered u-turn solutions are not rocket science just more expensive. The question is how many deaths does it take before the more expensive solution is implemented?

[MikeyIdea]

So what's wrong with having U-turns in the fast lane going straight back into the fast lane on the other side?

Seems pretty safe to me.

Please advice how you want to solve the problem of allowing cars to make u-turns then - come with solutions, not problems jetset

Properly engineered u-turn solutions are not rocket science just more expensive. The question is how many deaths does it take before the more expensive solution is implemented?

Correct, it's about money

[Payboy]

Seven Dangerous Days

Seven dangerous days to drive on the roads in Thailand are Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday & Saturday.

[JetsetBkk]

So what's wrong with having U-turns in the fast lane going straight back into the fast lane on the other side?

Seems pretty safe to me.

Please advice how you want to solve the problem of allowing cars to make u-turns then - come with solutions, not problems jetset

Properly engineered u-turn solutions are not rocket science just more expensive. The question is how many deaths does it take before the more expensive solution is implemented?

Correct, it's about money

Actually, MikeyIdea (and I've been wanting to say this for a long, long time - so thanks for giving me the opportunity) "advice" is the noun, "advise" is the verb, so you should have asked me "please advise how.."

So here's my advice (noun): build roundabouts ("circles" as our American friends call them) or "jug-handles" or traffic lights or even U-turn flyovers.

But, as you say, it's all about the money. Always is.

In Phuket, the major road from the airport goes from 3 lanes to 1 at certain places at rush-hour. The 2 outer lanes are for U-turners. They even stop the cross-traffic at the Heroines monument roundabout, forcing more people to U-turn further up - and down - the road. Total madness.

And in Chalong, they force people from Patong to turn north and then U-turn, rather than let them continue east or south across the roundabout. More madness.

[Thaddeus]

So here's my advice (noun): build roundabouts ("circles" as our American friends call them) or "jug-handles" or traffic lights or even U-turn flyovers.

But, as you say, it's all about the money. Always is.

Roundabouts are the cheapest option, but you must have observed the locals trying to use one.

[MikeyIdea]

So here's my advice (noun): build roundabouts ("circles" as our American friends call them) or "jug-handles" or traffic lights or even U-turn flyovers.

But, as you say, it's all about the money. Always is.

Roundabouts are the cheapest option, but you must have observed the locals trying to use one.

Many deaths happen at u-turns on major inter-city roads, good samples are Bangkok - Chieng Mai, Bangkok - South and hundreds of other inter-city roads. There are good reasons why roundabouts aren't implemented on those roads, it almost looks like - The more the road needs something to make it decently safe, the more it costs to make it so. And that is how it is

Which is the main problem, back to money

[MikeyIdea]

Actually, MikeyIdea (and I've been wanting to say this for a long, long time - so thanks for giving me the opportunity) "advice" is the noun, "advise" is the verb, so you should have asked me "please advise how.."

So here's my advice (noun): build roundabouts ("circles" as our American friends call them) or "jug-handles" or traffic lights or even U-turn flyovers.

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Thanks, really appreciated that

Not joking here - I'm a not a native English speaker so I'm always looking for information to improve my English