bangkokboro Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 deejah i keep thinking your writing a poem the way you set your words out now back on topic please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaimite Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Lets face there is no standard way of speaking English, even amongst 1st language English speakers, Spoken English varies over short distances in the UK...ie Liverpool vs Manchester, Newcastle to Glasgow. Internationally we have American English, Austrialian English etc...even Singapore has its own version of English..named "Slinglish" My opinion after many years working internationally in multi-cultural/mutli-language enviroments were English is the contract languge, if the person concerned can make him/her self understood about what they are talking about in English....their English skills are good enough, irrespective of how they speak it. Do i think Thailand would benefit "internationally" having a certain degree/standard of English spoken widely across the country....Yes, If one looks at Cambodia, which was a French colony, one would expect French to be a "second language" but in fact its English and spoken for the most part at a higher level than is spoken in Thailand Food for thought... I agree 100%, and how good are the foreign language skills of us native English speakers? we are generally in no position to comment about another's Englsih skill until we are fluent in at least 1 other language Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaimite Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 deejah i keep thinking your writing a poem the way you set your words out now back on topic please. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SantiSuk Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 anyway its my problem apparently no one else has an issue with this Nail on the head time. Sorry but we seem to have no idea what you are talking about, although we probably all have some pet peeve that others would scratch their head over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bermondburi Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 alfieconn, robblok, soutpeel, bermondburi, you've all been very bad boys. Using "pigeon" (or even "pidgeon") instead of "pidgin". You should know that this is one of SBK's pet peeves, and she'll be round to smack your bottoms if you persist in this. She may even keep you in after school! she can smack my bottom any time !! I quite like that !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 alfieconn, robblok, soutpeel, bermondburi, you've all been very bad boys. Using "pigeon" (or even "pidgeon") instead of "pidgin". You should know that this is one of SBK's pet peeves, and she'll be round to smack your bottoms if you persist in this. She may even keep you in after school! she can smack my bottom any time !! I quite like that !! With a whip ...... I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejah Posted January 14, 2011 Author Share Posted January 14, 2011 (edited) anyway its my problem apparently no one else has an issue with this Nail on the head time. Sorry but we seem to have no idea what you are talking about, although we probably all have some pet peeve that others would scratch their head over. well said to clarify the thing i was picking up on was about ATTITUDE had absolutely nothing to do with ISSAN and absolutely nothing to do with ABILITY which most of the posts are about never mind but thanks so much for trying my faith in TV has been restored by some impressively erudite, polite, considerate, helpful and funny writers (thinly) sprinkled amongst the threads Edited January 14, 2011 by deejah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bermondburi Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 alfieconn, robblok, soutpeel, bermondburi, you've all been very bad boys. Using "pigeon" (or even "pidgeon") instead of "pidgin". You should know that this is one of SBK's pet peeves, and she'll be round to smack your bottoms if you persist in this. She may even keep you in after school! she can smack my bottom any time !! I quite like that !! With a whip ...... I don't think so. that's the way I like it baby !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bina Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 actually its my tern. pidgin is a linguistic term; pigeon is an aviary term... bina israel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcgodber Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 WHY FOR YOU KICK MY DOG ! HE BARK YOU ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjclark1 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 (edited) SBK has already told me off for pigeon, pidgin, pidgeon, I see you toucan get it wrong. The first is a bird The second is a daft way of talking The third is either a spelling mistake or an archaic spelling of the bird. So while complaining of their irritating ways of speaking, one should also consider ones own irritating ways of spelling. There you have it! Edited January 14, 2011 by pjclark1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSingh Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Off topic a little bit, but my daughter is learning English and gets told off if she speaks pidgeon english and then farangs come round and speak pidgeon English to her . My theory was/is i talk English & English only to my little one from day dot, & Mum talks Thai & Thai only to her.. Of course little one here's her Mum talking English to me ( that is when she talks to me, which isn't very much to be honest ) but in doing that littl elearns to differenciate between the 2 Languages immediately and as soon as she started to talk etc.. Same goes for Books, same Book for 2 nights, me one night, her Mum the next.. The difference between her command of BOTH Lnaguage at 4 Years old to some of my Pal's Kid's is incredible, hoenstly.. & i will not tolerate any one of my Pals talking that tripe to her, forget it, it ell them to shut up immediately & generaly humiliate them when i do so, so they won't do it again neither.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejah Posted January 14, 2011 Author Share Posted January 14, 2011 back OT a thai fellow explained it to me tonight he said it was because he was excited and happy and that is why he talked like that i think it is kind of like when they say YOU YOU or HEY YOU loudly to us it can sound rude but to thais it is not rude and they dont mean to be rude at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanukJoeII Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 back OT a thai fellow explained it to me tonight he said it was because he was excited and happy and that is why he talked like that i think it is kind of like when they say YOU YOU or HEY YOU loudly to us it can sound rude but to thais it is not rude and they dont mean to be rude at all Quotes of posters on this thread, probably native English speakers. "I should of told them...." "He is suppose to be ...." "pidgeon" "your writing a poem " As a foreigner (Dutchman) I'm often shocked by the lack of correct English by those who have been surrounded by English from the day they were born. Now this thread about the way Thais/Isan use English language. I can't believe it. If OP doesn't understand something Thais do he should consider it is him who lacks understanding of Thais and not Thais being "irritating" as he stated. Language is a communication tool, the better you can communicate the more fluent you can call your ability to speak the language. It is not important how you use a language as long as you can make clear what you mean. The same works for Thais: as long as they can make clear what they mean they have control of the language. Exception of course for one's own language, that should be correct. Education in Isan is not on a high level, in my rural village school are three Thai teachers for English, two of them cannot have a conversation with me as their English is not sufficient.... That's one reason I'm always delighted when Isan people try to speak English, no matter how they do it, if they manage to make me understand (and mostly they do) what they mean they are the heroes. Speaking of foreign languages: how many languages do e.g. Cambrian farmers/Sheffield coal miners speak? You want to hear them speak French, German? No, of course not. But you want Isan people speak English, and not pigeon English (BTW the right word, not pidgin Papua or pidgeon) but correct English! An insult! Oh, before throwing stones at me, I am fluent in four languages and I know how difficult it is to transform grammar into spoken language. Nice example of communication and simplification of a language: English: "Could it be I used one or more words that have slightly irritated you and in a way that you are kind of upset with me now?" Isan: "You angry me?" Great ability, great people! Cheers Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saraburioz Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 I have a friend who teaches English at a university. He comes round to my house and speaks pidgin to my kids my wife and me. When those guys start saying stupid things like "cheu arai?" to my kids i tell them immediately to stop. Also my kids think they're idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary A Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 For SOME of us, speaking is an attempt to effectively communicate. The Thai language is primary words then modifiers. This makes speaking Thaiglish or pidgin English more effective thus easier to understand. What do I care if English purists are offended and look down on me? For the purists, the best way to avoid listening to crude pidgin English is to learn to speak Thai fluently and simply close your ears and not listen to some of us who are too lazy to learn to speak pure Thai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejah Posted January 15, 2011 Author Share Posted January 15, 2011 (edited) mods can you put this back in general please!!!!! this is not about issan it was a tongue in cheek title with a question on it back OT a thai fellow explained it to me tonight he said it was because he was excited and happy and that is why he talked like that i think it is kind of like when they say YOU YOU or HEY YOU loudly to us it can sound rude but to thais it is not rude and they dont mean to be rude at all i actually left out a few details i was trying to finish this topic on a good note but first i was thinking there ought to be a rule on these forums you need to read the whole thread before you post like that is going to fly on TV this thread is not about issan or ability or pidgin i wish you guys contributed to my pidgin thread where i was condoning it of all things!!! i dont mind it i dont care and i use it (no surprise to some of you) where were all of you then??????? STORY PRELUDE anyway the guy comes up to me and starts yelling HELLO YOU ORDER ME BLAH BLAH BLAH so i look around for someone else to serve me no one so ti is clear i am going to have to deal with him YOU ORDER ME I WANT BIG TIP so i say pood bow bow good service good tip and then he calms down and explains to me the above post so he may even have been telling me a white lie but we really got on well after that i didn't like the food, they took it back, i got better, gave very big tip everyone happy!!!!! (this was an upscale joint, i dont normally send food back at thai joints) (the charm to this story is how a bad situation can become a good situation so easily here with the right ATTITUDE most if not any and all problems i have had with thais i was able to easily reconcile wish i could say that about farang) please read all of MY posts on this thread and you will have a better idea of where i have been coming from i really ought to say this somewhere else because this thread is not my pride AT ALL it is a shame because there are other ideas i want to share with the general TV community here i am ashamed at how many posts on TV in general are tit for tat someone points out something they are uncomfortable with or they dont like and want insight and clarity and others just point out something they dont like about the person who posted or their post not only is it off topic it is immature and i think we can do better thanks again chook dee i know some feathers were ruffled mods can you put this back in general please!!!!! THIS REALLY IS NOT ABOUT ISSAN it was a tongue in cheek title with a question on it Edited January 15, 2011 by deejah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isanbirder Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 (edited) mods can you put this back in general please!!!!! this is not about issan it was a tongue in cheek title with a question on it back OT a thai fellow explained it to me tonight he said it was because he was excited and happy and that is why he talked like that i think it is kind of like when they say YOU YOU or HEY YOU loudly to us it can sound rude but to thais it is not rude and they dont mean to be rude at all i actually left out a few details i was trying to finish this topic on a good note but first i was thinking there ought to be a rule on these forums you need to read the whole thread before you post like that is going to fly on TV this thread is not about issan or ability or pidgin i wish you guys contributed to my pidgin thread where i was condoning it of all things!!! i dont mind it i dont care and i use it (no surprise to some of you) where were all of you then??????? STORY PRELUDE anyway the guy comes up to me and starts yelling HELLO YOU ORDER ME BLAH BLAH BLAH so i look around for someone else to serve me no one so ti is clear i am going to have to deal with him YOU ORDER ME I WANT BIG TIP so i say pood bow bow good service good tip and then he calms down and explains to me the above post so he may even have been telling me a white lie but we really got on well after that i didn't like the food, they took it back, i got better, gave very big tip everyone happy!!!!! (this was an upscale joint, i dont normally send food back at thai joints) (the charm to this story is how a bad situation can become a good situation so easily here with the right ATTITUDE most if not any and all problems i have had with thais i was able to easily reconcile wish i could say that about farang) please read all of MY posts on this thread and you will have a better idea of where i have been coming from i really ought to say this somewhere else because this thread is not my pride AT ALL it is a shame because there are other ideas i want to share with the general TV community here i am ashamed at how many posts on TV in general are tit for tat someone points out something they are uncomfortable with or they dont like and want insight and clarity and others just point out something they dont like about the person who posted or their post not only is it off topic it is immature and i think we can do better thanks again chook dee i know some feathers were ruffled mods can you put this back in general please!!!!! THIS REALLY IS NOT ABOUT ISSAN it was a tongue in cheek title with a question on it Nice post, Deejah! You!! We live in Thailand, we have to understand why Thais behave the way they do, not mouth off about them. I try never to take offence when Thais shout at me (they shout at each other the same way, except it sounds natural in Thai). Just as, I don't judge farangs in general by the negative posters in TV; pity them Deejah, they have nothing better to do. Oh yes, and I forgot. Pidgin is a particular brand of English developed in certain parts of the world. e.g. China coast pidgin, now dying out, which developed as a means of communication between the Chinese and their farang masters (charming expressions like 'makee learnee"); the only one, as far as I know, which has become an official language is in Papua New Guinea, where even the daily newspaper is called 'Nugini TokTok' (sorry if this is slightly wrong; I've never been to TPNG, so this is hearsay + a fallible memory). There is no pidgin in Thailand. Edited January 15, 2011 by isanbirder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejah Posted January 15, 2011 Author Share Posted January 15, 2011 mods can you put this back in general please!!!!! this is not about issan it was a tongue in cheek title with a question on it back OT a thai fellow explained it to me tonight he said it was because he was excited and happy and that is why he talked like that i think it is kind of like when they say YOU YOU or HEY YOU loudly to us it can sound rude but to thais it is not rude and they dont mean to be rude at all i actually left out a few details i was trying to finish this topic on a good note but first i was thinking there ought to be a rule on these forums you need to read the whole thread before you post like that is going to fly on TV this thread is not about issan or ability or pidgin i wish you guys contributed to my pidgin thread where i was condoning it of all things!!! i dont mind it i dont care and i use it (no surprise to some of you) where were all of you then??????? STORY PRELUDE anyway the guy comes up to me and starts yelling HELLO YOU ORDER ME BLAH BLAH BLAH so i look around for someone else to serve me no one so ti is clear i am going to have to deal with him YOU ORDER ME I WANT BIG TIP so i say pood bow bow good service good tip and then he calms down and explains to me the above post so he may even have been telling me a white lie but we really got on well after that i didn't like the food, they took it back, i got better, gave very big tip everyone happy!!!!! (this was an upscale joint, i dont normally send food back at thai joints) (the charm to this story is how a bad situation can become a good situation so easily here with the right ATTITUDE most if not any and all problems i have had with thais i was able to easily reconcile wish i could say that about farang) please read all of MY posts on this thread and you will have a better idea of where i have been coming from i really ought to say this somewhere else because this thread is not my pride AT ALL it is a shame because there are other ideas i want to share with the general TV community here i am ashamed at how many posts on TV in general are tit for tat someone points out something they are uncomfortable with or they dont like and want insight and clarity and others just point out something they dont like about the person who posted or their post not only is it off topic it is immature and i think we can do better thanks again chook dee i know some feathers were ruffled mods can you put this back in general please!!!!! THIS REALLY IS NOT ABOUT ISSAN it was a tongue in cheek title with a question on it Nice post, Deejah! You!! We live in Thailand, we have to understand why Thais behave the way they do, not mouth off about them. I try never to take offence when Thais shout at me (they shout at each other the same way, except it sounds natural in Thai). Just as, I don't judge farangs in general by the negative posters in TV; pity them Deejah, they have nothing better to do. Oh yes, and I forgot. Pidgin is a particular brand of English developed in certain parts of the world. e.g. China coast pidgin, now dying out, which developed as a means of communication between the Chinese and their farang masters (charming expressions like 'makee learnee"); the only one, as far as I know, which has become an official language is in Papua New Guinea, where even the daily newspaper is called 'Nugini TokTok' (sorry if this is slightly wrong; I've never been to TPNG, so this is hearsay + a fallible memory). There is no pidgin in Thailand. thanks cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrybankruad Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 mods can you put this back in general please!!!!! this is not about issan it was a tongue in cheek title with a question on it back OT a thai fellow explained it to me tonight he said it was because he was excited and happy and that is why he talked like that i think it is kind of like when they say YOU YOU or HEY YOU loudly to us it can sound rude but to thais it is not rude and they dont mean to be rude at all i actually left out a few details i was trying to finish this topic on a good note but first i was thinking there ought to be a rule on these forums you need to read the whole thread before you post like that is going to fly on TV this thread is not about issan or ability or pidgin i wish you guys contributed to my pidgin thread where i was condoning it of all things!!! i dont mind it i dont care and i use it (no surprise to some of you) where were all of you then??????? STORY PRELUDE anyway the guy comes up to me and starts yelling HELLO YOU ORDER ME BLAH BLAH BLAH so i look around for someone else to serve me no one so ti is clear i am going to have to deal with him YOU ORDER ME I WANT BIG TIP so i say pood bow bow good service good tip and then he calms down and explains to me the above post so he may even have been telling me a white lie but we really got on well after that i didn't like the food, they took it back, i got better, gave very big tip everyone happy!!!!! (this was an upscale joint, i dont normally send food back at thai joints) (the charm to this story is how a bad situation can become a good situation so easily here with the right ATTITUDE most if not any and all problems i have had with thais i was able to easily reconcile wish i could say that about farang) please read all of MY posts on this thread and you will have a better idea of where i have been coming from i really ought to say this somewhere else because this thread is not my pride AT ALL it is a shame because there are other ideas i want to share with the general TV community here i am ashamed at how many posts on TV in general are tit for tat someone points out something they are uncomfortable with or they dont like and want insight and clarity and others just point out something they dont like about the person who posted or their post not only is it off topic it is immature and i think we can do better thanks again chook dee i know some feathers were ruffled mods can you put this back in general please!!!!! THIS REALLY IS NOT ABOUT ISSAN it was a tongue in cheek title with a question on it Nice post, Deejah! You!! We live in Thailand, we have to understand why Thais behave the way they do, not mouth off about them. I try never to take offence when Thais shout at me (they shout at each other the same way, except it sounds natural in Thai). Just as, I don't judge farangs in general by the negative posters in TV; pity them Deejah, they have nothing better to do. Oh yes, and I forgot. Pidgin is a particular brand of English developed in certain parts of the world. e.g. China coast pidgin, now dying out, which developed as a means of communication between the Chinese and their farang masters (charming expressions like 'makee learnee"); the only one, as far as I know, which has become an official language is in Papua New Guinea, where even the daily newspaper is called 'Nugini TokTok' (sorry if this is slightly wrong; I've never been to TPNG, so this is hearsay + a fallible memory). There is no pidgin in Thailand. Pidgin English is a type of lingua franca, in other words a language that is developed so the speakers of different tongues can communicate There are many examples throughout the World. As has been mentioned before in P.N.Guinea, Swahili in Kenya and Tanzania, "Fanigalo" in southern Africa, Nepalese in Nepal, I'm sure there are many more. ASs far as I am concerned, however a Thai speaks to me I don't mind as long as I understand, I however will always try to speak correct English to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citizen33 Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 I'm another one who can't quite work out the Isaan connection. My guess is that the thread is really about the limited English picked up by people from the NE working in low-paid service jobs in tourist resorts. Of course, there are plenty of well-educated professionals from the NE who can speak pretty good English. My guess though is that those who haven't shaken off their NE accents may have more trouble with certain English language sounds than central Thais. The 'r' sound is one obvious example, and I fancy that there may be problems with 'ch' and 'th'. What do other people think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejah Posted January 16, 2011 Author Share Posted January 16, 2011 (edited) OP should be doing something more useful story of my life on TV maybe something good has come of this i got off of general and pattaya into a new forum perhaps with a bit higher class one can only hope :jap: Edited January 16, 2011 by deejah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 A couple of posts using unusual bold fonts have been removed. Please take a few minutes and familiarize yourself with forum netiquette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejah Posted January 16, 2011 Author Share Posted January 16, 2011 A couple of posts using unusual bold fonts have been removed. Please take a few minutes and familiarize yourself with forum netiquette. good one thanks i need to read that a bit more often metisdead would you mind changing the title to thais who speak loudly to farang in english and move back to general if it is not too much trouble thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Post has been re-named and moved. However, I think the topic is rather tenuous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejah Posted January 16, 2011 Author Share Posted January 16, 2011 (edited) yes i agree this thread sucks topic, title, and some of what i wrote and some responses live and learn however there are some things that i posted that are very relevant to the TV community about thailand and about posting i hope they were not posts deleted (perhaps a gentle reminder rather than deleting them might have sufficed unfortunately it is not my call and i am not privy to the history behind those decisions so i must except the deletions and i do):jap: i hope what posts that are available, that i wrote, are a constructive contribution to those that take the time to read them this is the first and only forum that i am an active member of and the process itself has been very educational to me, if not a total waste of time happy posting chook dee Edited January 16, 2011 by deejah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejah Posted January 16, 2011 Author Share Posted January 16, 2011 ps and off topic but perhaps insightful and helpful (my middle names) oddly doing a search this topic with my id does not give you all of my posts in this thread perhaps a bug perhaps a user error i also have tried a search this forum / all threads with my id and the result was not all of my topics nor all of my posts so use those features with that in mind or even better what is the cause and cure for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PingManDan Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 I dislike anyone who has to over power anyone with a loud annoying voice, be them Thai or Farang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJIC Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 (edited) My wife and I have a language policy with our Daughter,she speaks to her for the most part in Thai, and I only speak to her in English,so she never hears "Pidgin English"and my poor attempts at Thai, the result is she is fluent in both languages. As for those that speak too loudly,its a way of domineering a conversation. whichever Nationality,its very irritating ,regardless of whether the content is of any interest or not. Edited January 16, 2011 by MAJIC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJIC Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 (edited) I'm another one who can't quite work out the Isaan connection. My guess is that the thread is really about the limited English picked up by people from the NE working in low-paid service jobs in tourist resorts. Of course, there are plenty of well-educated professionals from the NE who can speak pretty good English. My guess though is that those who haven't shaken off their NE accents may have more trouble with certain English language sounds than central Thais. The 'r' sound is one obvious example, and I fancy that there may be problems with 'ch' and 'th'. What do other people think? Problems with L too, hence Footbon & Schoon (sic) and most noticeable spoken from Thai School Teachers. Edited January 16, 2011 by MAJIC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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