Red Shirts Promise Rally Of 'Unprecedented Numbers'

[whybother]

I'm not going to get in a peeing contest with you over numbers but at least get somewhere near the right figures though I'm sure it suits the agenda to report low numbers.

The Nation reported around 20,000

The Post reported Tens of Thousands

Agence France Presse AFP reported Police estimations of 25,000

I'm fairly sure the number would be somewhere around there - I couldn't be bothered going for further examples. There were around 5000 at a rally in Khon Kaen.

Still, not quite "unprecedented".

I suppose it makes it easier for their "larger" rallies though.

Maybe if they come out like last year, they will get their elections in November, as offered (just a different year), instead of June, as currently expected.

[phiphidon]

I'm not going to get in a peeing contest with you over numbers but at least get somewhere near the right figures though I'm sure it suits the agenda to report low numbers.

The Nation reported around 20,000

The Post reported Tens of Thousands

Agence France Presse AFP reported Police estimations of 25,000

I'm fairly sure the number would be somewhere around there - I couldn't be bothered going for further examples. There were around 5000 at a rally in Khon Kaen.

Still, not quite "unprecedented".

I suppose it makes it easier for their "larger" rallies though.

Maybe if they come out like last year, they will get their elections in November, as offered (just a different year), instead of June, as currently expected.

Not expected, predicted and guaranteed by Suthep. I won't be holding my breath. IMO, Abhisit didn't mean it then , he doesn't mean it now. Lets see how much longer they can keep the ISA going, along with a possible war on the Cambodian border and the "Insurgency" in the south, all reasons why the political situation is not stable as required (by Abhisit) for the calling of elections.

[phiphidon]

So,

Jatuporn's "Unprecedented Numbers" turned out to be about 10,000, a figure with lots of precedent.

So, Jatuporn is, proven wrong once again.

So case

as this thread should be

I'm not going to get in a peeing contest with you over numbers but at least get somewhere near the right figures though I'm sure it suits the agenda to report low numbers.

The Nation reported around 20,000

The Post reported Tens of Thousands

Agence France Presse AFP reported Police estimations of 25,000

I'm fairly sure the number would be somewhere around there - I couldn't be bothered going for further examples. There were around 5000 at a rally in Khon Kaen.

that's it huh? at least it is among the very few times they actually wear some new clothes that actually match!

Just when you thought you were safe, a new low in political debate, Bucholz, a picture please!

Edit to add "And not the photoshopped one of Thaksin in a red suit Per-Lease!"

Edited February 21, 2011 by phiphidon

[jdinasia]

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Not expected, predicted and guaranteed by Suthep. I won't be holding my breath. IMO, Abhisit didn't mean it then , he doesn't mean it now. Lets see how much longer they can keep the ISA going, along with a possible war on the Cambodian border and the "Insurgency" in the south, all reasons why the political situation is not stable as required (by Abhisit) for the calling of elections.

Sure --- on public television Abhisit states early elections. All the reds needed to do then was declare that they won and go home. They didn't. The second offer DID have more conditions .. as well they should have after the behaviour by the reds.

IMO the red leadership wanted blood (red blood) to flow freely to try and force the government out as had happened every other time in Thai history when the military fired on people in BKK. They had no intention of accepting ANYTHING offered by the government. They had what they asked for and threw it away (because it didn't let Thaksin control the military reshuffle in October!)

[whybother]

Not expected, predicted and guaranteed by Suthep. I won't be holding my breath. IMO, Abhisit didn't mean it then , he doesn't mean it now. Lets see how much longer they can keep the ISA going, along with a possible war on the Cambodian border and the "Insurgency" in the south, all reasons why the political situation is not stable as required (by Abhisit) for the calling of elections.

Agreed. The elections won't "be happening" until parliament is dissolved. There will always be something that might hold it up. But the same happens in any country where the government controls when an election occurs (before the legal time ofcourse).

I don't think the south will have any impact. The Cambodian issue is an unknown, but IMO won't last the months it needs to to affect the timing of an election.

Thaksin has said that Abhisit won't call an election for June. He's probably got the most control over when it's held.

[ianf]

"On February 19, the red shirts will show up in unprecedented numbers,"

unprecedented numbers?

15-20 then?

The red shirts promised 1 million for the April rallies. They failed.

So they promised 500000, they failed again.

So the maximum they reached was 110000.

Perhaps 'unprecedented numbers' means 110001.

I wonder if some of these red leaders read this forum.

If they do do they realise that the whole world thinks they are ignorant and foolish cretins?

[bulmercke]

They seriously need to call it a wrap. They are just embarrassing themselves now.

They should have ended it after they refused the elections offered on public TV ... zero credibility after that. Then again since the object wasn't new elections, but apparently to force the government into spilling blood (under direct provocation) they got what they thought they wanted. Unlike any time in the past though ... this government survived after having to stop the reds in BKK through force.

jdinasia - you know very well - last April and May - that the Red-Shirt leaders weren't able to come even close to negotiating a deal with the government over elections - all the time those preposterous terrorism charges were stll being levelled against them.

In effect - they were totally divorced from that miniscule extremist element that was mingling amongst the vast majority of the decent - civil and law-abidding protesters. Individuals over which they had absolutely no control or influence.

The government - in short - last year - had absolutely no intention - whatsoever - of cementing a deal with the Reds - although on the surface it looked like they were genuine and sincere in their negotiations. It was all a sham.

[phiphidon]

"On February 19, the red shirts will show up in unprecedented numbers,"

unprecedented numbers?

15-20 then?

The red shirts promised 1 million for the April rallies. They failed.

So they promised 500000, they failed again.

So the maximum they reached was 110000.

Perhaps 'unprecedented numbers' means 110001.

I wonder if some of these red leaders read this forum.

If they do do they realise that the whole world thinks they are ignorant and foolish cretins?

In reality the TV Forum is popular but not quite representative of the opinions of "The Whole World"

[jdinasia]

They should have ended it after they refused the elections offered on public TV ... zero credibility after that. Then again since the object wasn't new elections, but apparently to force the government into spilling blood (under direct provocation) they got what they thought they wanted. Unlike any time in the past though ... this government survived after having to stop the reds in BKK through force.

jdinasia - you know very well - last April and May - that the Red-Shirt leaders weren't able to come even close to negotiating a deal with the government over elections - all the time those preposterous terrorism charges were stll being levelled against them.

In effect - they were totally divorced from that miniscule extremist element that was mingling amongst the vast majority of the decent - civil and law-abidding protesters. Individuals over which they had absolutely no control or influence.

The government - in short - last year - had absolutely no intention - whatsoever - of cementing a deal with the Reds - although on the surface it looked like they were genuine and sincere in their negotiations. It was all a sham.

HUH?

PUBLICLY nationally televised ..... the offer placed right there in front of the entire population (and the world!) .... a public offer that all the reds need do is say "yes" and go home and they would have had at least SOME credibility .. and if the elections didn't happen they would have had some moral authority to return to BKK and could possibly have had bigger numbers!

Your positioning on the charges against the leaders at the time of the nationally televised negotiations is also far from being truthful since it happened in MARCH. That is before the reds started tossing petrol bombs on April 9th. There were no "terrorism" charges laid against them at the time. There was an active warrant for Arisaman amongst others.

time line leading to the televised negotiations available at this BBC link http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8591373.stm

As for "civil" 000 that's crap when your leaders are calling for you to burn down BKK and you clap .... as for "law abiding" ... they weren't that either. After April 10th there were NO civil and lawabiding protesters --- and it can be quite reasobaly argued with Arsiaman calling for them to bring bottles to fill with petrol to burn BKK down, and the people showing up to the rally .. that there never were.

[hyperdimension]

"unprecedented" means "never before seen or done" (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/unprecedented).

So every one of their protests that they have ever had have been unprecedented because they have had different numbers each time. It would be practically impossible to ever have precedented numbers, unless some time in the future numbers reduce to, say, 10 to 20 people.

So they actually fulfilled their promise!

Edited February 21, 2011 by hyperdimension

[AleG]

"unprecedented" means "never before seen or done" (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/unprecedented).

So every one of their protests that they have ever had have been unprecedented because they have had different numbers each time. It would be practically impossible to ever have precedented numbers, unless some time in the future numbers reduce to, say, 10 to 20 people.

So they actually fulfilled their promise!

That I would call unprecedented.

[Pi Sek]

They should have ended it after they refused the elections offered on public TV ... zero credibility after that. Then again since the object wasn't new elections, but apparently to force the government into spilling blood (under direct provocation) they got what they thought they wanted. Unlike any time in the past though ... this government survived after having to stop the reds in BKK through force.

jdinasia - you know very well - last April and May - that the Red-Shirt leaders weren't able to come even close to negotiating a deal with the government over elections - all the time those preposterous terrorism charges were stll being levelled against them.

In effect - they were totally divorced from that miniscule extremist element that was mingling amongst the vast majority of the decent - civil and law-abidding protesters. Individuals over which they had absolutely no control or influence.

The government - in short - last year - had absolutely no intention - whatsoever - of cementing a deal with the Reds - although on the surface it looked like they were genuine and sincere in their negotiations. It was all a sham.

What an unbelievable reply!

Aren't you the one who said the CentralWorld fire was started by the army and/or govt and the Reds were nowhere near it? Someone on here did, and if my memory serves me correctky, it was you. The only other person that I have heard take this viewpoint is Jatuporn, but it follows that Amsterdam will probably bring it up as soon as there is a 0.00001% chance that someone, somewhere, will believe it. Until that point, we're stuck with the two of you!

I hope you don't mind me asking, but are you a conspiracy theorist? What are your thoughts about aliens abducting people and putting telescopic radars up their bums? Have they got you yet?

I hope you see the funny side here... I reckon everyone else does, even the pro-Reds.

[plachon]

They seriously need to call it a wrap. They are just embarrassing themselves now.

They should have ended it after they refused the elections offered on public TV ... zero credibility after that. Then again since the object wasn't new elections, but apparently to force the government into spilling blood (under direct provocation) they got what they thought they wanted. Unlike any time in the past though ... this government survived after having to stop the reds in BKK through force.

jdinasia - you know very well - last April and May - that the Red-Shirt leaders weren't able to come even close to negotiating a deal with the government over elections - all the time those preposterous terrorism charges were stll being levelled against them.

In effect - they were totally divorced from that miniscule extremist element that was mingling amongst the vast majority of the decent - civil and law-abidding protesters. Individuals over which they had absolutely no control or influence.

The government - in short - last year - had absolutely no intention - whatsoever - of cementing a deal with the Reds - although on the surface it looked like they were genuine and sincere in their negotiations. It was all a sham.

Bulmerke, I'm sorry but you seem to have lost the plot altogether. You've been slipping in deeper and deeper into the Red mire, but you now seem to be in over your head. It must be a rather bleak place, when you have to totally reinvent history a la Jatuporn or Samak Sundaravej to make a point. Shame really, at one time in the past you seemed relatively rational.

[Buchholz]

"On February 19, the red shirts will show up in unprecedented numbers,"

unprecedented numbers?

15-20 then?

The red shirts promised 1 million for the April rallies. They failed.

So they promised 500000, they failed again.

So the maximum they reached was 110000.

Perhaps 'unprecedented numbers' means 110001.

I wonder if some of these red leaders read this forum.

If they do do they realise that the whole world thinks they are ignorant and foolish cretins?

Whatever the actual number of attendees was, Jatuporn assured the world from the stage that it was "the biggest Red Shirt rally ever."

To someone honest, that would mean in excess of 100,000 showed up.

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Edited February 21, 2011 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

jdinasia - you know very well - last April and May - that the Red-Shirt leaders weren't able to come even close to negotiating a deal with the government over elections - all the time those preposterous terrorism charges were stll being levelled against them.

In effect - they were totally divorced from that miniscule extremist element that was mingling amongst the vast majority of the decent - civil and law-abidding protesters. Individuals over which they had absolutely no control or influence.

The government - in short - last year - had absolutely no intention - whatsoever - of cementing a deal with the Reds - although on the surface it looked like they were genuine and sincere in their negotiations. It was all a sham.

Bulmerke, I'm sorry but you seem to have lost the plot altogether. You've been slipping in deeper and deeper into the Red mire, but you now seem to be in over your head. It must be a rather bleak place, when you have to totally reinvent history a la Jatuporn or Samak Sundaravej to make a point.

Shame really, at one time in the past you seemed relatively rational.

I took a look peek into the past, and agree the change is noteworthy:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=search&andor_type=&sid=74c4b40c4888259f11129c9079d81614&search_author=bulmercke&search_term=thaksin&search_app=forums&st=375

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Edited February 21, 2011 by Buchholz