whybother Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 As of yesterday, the atty for the yellows has filed charges of negligence and/or favoritism against PM Apisit and all his ministers.... in terms of violating Thai Constitution bylaws specifically failing to exercise due diligence to safeguard Thai citizen rights to hold peaceful demonstration under the Thai Constitution.... and furthermore, Apisit and his ministers also concocted to institute temporary emergency rules trying to disrupt and/or disband the peaceful demonstration protected by Thai constitution.... The court has reviewed and found there are sufficient causes.... to schedule a pre-trial hearing.... sometimes in March (sorry, forgot the exact date)... If and/or when found guilty.... it will be good-bye PM Apisit and ministers.... The yellows are not being asked to stop protesting. They are being asked to not inconvenience the general public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 (edited) UDD acting chair Mrs Thida, who is Weng's wife, said although the key Red Shirt leaders have been granted temporary releases, the movement will continue with its next rally on March 12 at the criminal court, demanding the release of more than one hundred UDD supporters nationwide. Which the Red Shirt leadership has very noticeably been ignoring for months and months while they have vigorously pursued release for themselves: Dozens of impoverished red shirts detained since the May 19 dispersal of the red shirts' protest have been "virtually abandoned" with no visitors and some without defence lawyers, revealed Nitirat Sapsoomboon, a member of the National Human Rights Commission's subcommittee on citizen and political rights. At least 10 of them are women and Nitirat said red-shirt leaders and members should visit them and afford them with legal assistance. Posted 2010-08-08 Many red shirts 'abandoned' by their leaders its next rally on March 12 well, it didn't take long for them to get right back into the thick of things... 7 Recently Released Red Leaders to Join March 12 Rally Acting Chairman of the Red Shirt Movement Thida Tavornset has announced that the seven recently released red shirt leaders will join a scheduled rally on March 12 at the Democracy Monument. Meanwhile, red shirt supporters will gather for a merit making ceremony at the Phathum Wanaram Temple on February 27. -- Tan Network 2011-02-23 Edited February 23, 2011 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillybilly Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Maybe it has been writtern somewhere but I just havn`t seen it. Can anybody tell me then when the famous 7 are next due in court to agrue the charges?? I wonder if them appearing at the next rally will increase the numbers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robby nz Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Maybe it has been writtern somewhere but I just havn`t seen it. Can anybody tell me then when the famous 7 are next due in court to agrue the charges?? I wonder if them appearing at the next rally will increase the numbers... Yes, by seven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillybilly Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Maybe it has been writtern somewhere but I just havn`t seen it. Can anybody tell me then when the famous 7 are next due in court to agrue the charges?? I wonder if them appearing at the next rally will increase the numbers... Yes, by seven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini81 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 What's next? Red shirts will rally to ask for .......... (put your suggestion here) don't worry, they'll think of something! some more power, money, demagogue leaders back on the throne, and some handouts would be a probable start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emptyset Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 The Dems got more votes (not more seats and only seats matter ---- unless of course you mean that a single vote should represent the will of that voter) in 2007. Looking at the figures, they got around four million less votes than PPP in the constituency vote and two hundred thousand less in the party list vote. So how did they get more votes? Am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frodo Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Maybe it has been writtern somewhere but I just havn`t seen it. Can anybody tell me then when the famous 7 are next due in court to agrue the charges?? I wonder if them appearing at the next rally will increase the numbers... Yes, by seven. Add 3 more to that list. Seems that Jatuporn will be bringing back three more; Arisiman, Suporn, and Adisorn who fled the country rather than facing charges. "I will bring those people back to fight court cases in Thailand. They will surrender and should get bail so that they can join the red shirt movement's fight," said Jatuporn, who is also an MP from the opposition Pheu Thai Party." Guess Thailand has no laws in regards to an MP knowing the whereabouts of wanted fugitives on the run. Aiding and abetting? Fugitive Red Leaders To Return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 The Dems got more votes (not more seats and only seats matter ---- unless of course you mean that a single vote should represent the will of that voter) in 2007. Looking at the figures, they got around four million less votes than PPP in the constituency vote and two hundred thousand less in the party list vote. So how did they get more votes? Am I missing something? 200,000? go back and look again ... Dems got 13k more in proportional, and 3.5 million less in constituency. That 3,5 mil is an interesting number due to the 3 vote constituencies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robby nz Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Maybe it has been writtern somewhere but I just havn`t seen it. Can anybody tell me then when the famous 7 are next due in court to agrue the charges?? I wonder if them appearing at the next rally will increase the numbers... Yes, by seven. Add 3 more to that list. Seems that Jatuporn will be bringing back three more; Arisiman, Suporn, and Adisorn who fled the country rather than facing charges. "I will bring those people back to fight court cases in Thailand. They will surrender and should get bail so that they can join the red shirt movement's fight," said Jatuporn, who is also an MP from the opposition Pheu Thai Party." Guess Thailand has no laws in regards to an MP knowing the whereabouts of wanted fugitives on the run. Aiding and abetting? Fugitive Red Leaders To Return Yet another seeing is believing story from the master of B S Hay possibly its them thats making all the paper birds, could be they will bring them with them. "They are likely to come back soon, possibly before the concert at Bonanza," he said, referring to a "homecoming" party for the released red shirt leaders scheduled for March 26 at the Bonanza Khao Yai Resort in Nakhon Ratchasima. Wouldnt it be nice if instaed of having a party they used the money they will spend on it to help some of the poor reds who are still in jail because they cant raise bail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insight Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Reconciliation is the last thing on the mind of the red shirt leaders (read - leader). My prediction - Sanan will propose a national government before the next election. If that isn't accepted, the red shirts will go berserk again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patjem Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Maybe it has been writtern somewhere but I just havn`t seen it. Can anybody tell me then when the famous 7 are next due in court to agrue the charges?? I wonder if them appearing at the next rally will increase the numbers... Yes, by seven. Add 3 more to that list. Seems that Jatuporn will be bringing back three more; Arisiman, Suporn, and Adisorn who fled the country rather than facing charges. "I will bring those people back to fight court cases in Thailand. They will surrender and should get bail so that they can join the red shirt movement's fight," said Jatuporn, who is also an MP from the opposition Pheu Thai Party." Guess Thailand has no laws in regards to an MP knowing the whereabouts of wanted fugitives on the run. Aiding and abetting? Fugitive Red Leaders To Return Their cases are rather different, since bail would need convincing the court that they are not going to leave the country. If I remember correctly, Arisman is already released on bail from his 2009 arrest, the terms of which have been broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Their cases are rather different, since bail would need convincing the court that they are not going to leave the country. If I remember correctly, Arisman is already released on bail from his 2009 arrest, the terms of which have been broken. Nattawut or Nuttawut as it's sometimes transliterated, is on bail from 2007, 2009, and now 2010 charges. Same with a few other of the Red Shirt Leaders. Arisaman is also from 2009, but he was still a handsum singer back in 2007, it was later he went rogue and issued screaming threats to burn down all Muslim mosques in Thailand (among other targets) and hauling his fat arse over walls to scale down hotels while escaping police apprehension. interesting coincidence that I just posted his photo yesterday in relation to the other Red Shirt in the photo, Surachai, who was sent to jail yesterday: Surachai Danwattananusorn (center) and Arisamun Pongruenrong (right) sit before surrendering to Chon Buri police to face charges of storming into ASEAN meeting venue in Pattaya earlier this month. The Nation - April 29, 2009 come on back, Arisaman... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 (edited) Maybe it has been writtern somewhere but I just havn`t seen it. Can anybody tell me then when the famous 7 are next due in court to agrue the charges?? I wonder if them appearing at the next rally will increase the numbers... Yes, by seven. Add 3 more to that list. Seems that Jatuporn will be bringing back three more; Arisiman, Suporn, and Adisorn who fled the country rather than facing charges. "I will bring those people back to fight court cases in Thailand. They will surrender and should get bail so that they can join the red shirt movement's fight," said Jatuporn, who is also an MP from the opposition Pheu Thai Party." Guess Thailand has no laws in regards to an MP knowing the whereabouts of wanted fugitives on the run. Aiding and abetting? Fugitive Red Leaders To Return "I will bring those people back to fight court cases in Thailand. They will surrender and should get bail so that they can join the red shirt movement's fight," Jatuporn said. ?Staggering that they would actually expect to get bail after being international fugitives for 9 months ???! At least the ones that got bailed yesterday have been incarcerated since voluntarily surrendering at the time of the blow-up and they didn't flee and run around for all this time. Do these fugitive returning Red Shirts actually believe they should be treated the same as those that surrendered and have been locked up for the past 9 months ????! Can't they see the DOUBLE STANDARD at issue ? Can't they see themselves as textbook examples of "Flight Risks" ? . Edited February 23, 2011 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Also from the news article: The red shirt movement plans a charity golf competition titled "Golf 4 Freedom" this Saturday at the Dynasty Golf and Country Club in Nakhon Pathom. The winners get trophies given by former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, deputy House speaker Apiwan Wiriyachai, Jatuporn, and Nattawut. Oh good grief, does the Thaksin connection have to be this blatant where he's sending trophies to his Reds??? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emptyset Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 The Dems got more votes (not more seats and only seats matter ---- unless of course you mean that a single vote should represent the will of that voter) in 2007. Looking at the figures, they got around four million less votes than PPP in the constituency vote and two hundred thousand less in the party list vote. So how did they get more votes? Am I missing something? 200,000? go back and look again ... Dems got 13k more in proportional, and 3.5 million less in constituency. That 3,5 mil is an interesting number due to the 3 vote constituencies? OK... http://bangkokpundit.blogspot.com/2007/12/final-vote-count.html - as I said, PPP got around 200,000 more on the party list vote, not sure where your figures are from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaiChai Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I believe the government has made a big mistake releasing the red shirt leaders. In effect they can now reform/regroup to fight a stronger campaign against the government. Make no mistake, they are not interested in reconciliation; only in destabilizing so as topple the government so another party can gain control. It also shows the judiciary can be politically influenced; just like in Taksins time. The big problem in Thailand is the lack of law enforcement at all levels of society. Until this is resolved, it will remain like the wild west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 (edited) OK... http://bangkokpundit...vote-count.html - as I said, PPP got around 200,000 more on the party list vote, not sure where your figures are from? http://en.wikipedia....lection_results Party Constituency Proportional TOTAL Votes % Seats Votes % Seats People's Power Party 26,293,456 36.63 199 14,071,799 39.60 34 233 Democrat Party 21,745,696 30.30 132 14,084,265 39.63 33 165 Not sure why they are so different. Is there an official source somewhere? edit: the table looks fine when I'm editing. TV must delete all the spaces in between. Edited February 23, 2011 by whybother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdimension Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 edit: the table looks fine when I'm editing. TV must delete all the spaces in between. Try the code snippet tag: Party Constituency Proportional TOTAL Votes % Seats Votes % Seats People's Power Party 26,293,456 36.63 199 14,071,799 39.60 34 233 Democrat Party 21,745,696 30.30 132 14,084,265 39.63 33 165 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 edit: the table looks fine when I'm editing. TV must delete all the spaces in between. Try the code snippet tag: Party Constituency Proportional TOTAL Votes % Seats Votes % Seats People's Power Party 26,293,456 36.63 199 14,071,799 39.60 34 233 Democrat Party 21,745,696 30.30 132 14,084,265 39.63 33 165 I am working from the jpeg that makes it very clear .... The Dems scored slightly higher in the proportional vote and less in the 3 vote constituency votes, presumably because of being unable to run campaigns in some areas (but that is only my presumption) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emptyset Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 OK... http://bangkokpundit...vote-count.html - as I said, PPP got around 200,000 more on the party list vote, not sure where your figures are from? http://en.wikipedia....lection_results Party Constituency Proportional TOTAL Votes % Seats Votes % Seats People's Power Party 26,293,456 36.63 199 14,071,799 39.60 34 233 Democrat Party 21,745,696 30.30 132 14,084,265 39.63 33 165 Not sure why they are so different. Is there an official source somewhere? edit: the table looks fine when I'm editing. TV must delete all the spaces in between. I don't know, but those figures must be wrong because PPP have one more party list seat, so it seems unlikely they would've gotten one extra seat by getting less votes... Bangkok Pundit used the figures from the EC website, but that might not be the final result given he wrote that the day after the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 OK... http://bangkokpundit...vote-count.html - as I said, PPP got around 200,000 more on the party list vote, not sure where your figures are from? http://en.wikipedia....lection_results Party Constituency Proportional TOTAL Votes % Seats Votes % Seats People's Power Party 26,293,456 36.63 199 14,071,799 39.60 34 233 Democrat Party 21,745,696 30.30 132 14,084,265 39.63 33 165 Not sure why they are so different. Is there an official source somewhere? edit: the table looks fine when I'm editing. TV must delete all the spaces in between. I don't know, but those figures must be wrong because PPP have one more party list seat, so it seems unlikely they would've gotten one extra seat by getting less votes... Bangkok Pundit used the figures from the EC website, but that might not be the final result given he wrote that the day after the election. I know it looks wonky .... but this is Thailand. I have never understood how PPP managed an extra seat but they did even though they got a slightly smaller vote count. It would be interesting to know exactly how that worked but tbh I don't have the time to check right now. Christchurch is my only priority at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emptyset Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 OK... http://bangkokpundit...vote-count.html - as I said, PPP got around 200,000 more on the party list vote, not sure where your figures are from? http://en.wikipedia....lection_results Party Constituency Proportional TOTAL Votes % Seats Votes % Seats People's Power Party 26,293,456 36.63 199 14,071,799 39.60 34 233 Democrat Party 21,745,696 30.30 132 14,084,265 39.63 33 165 Not sure why they are so different. Is there an official source somewhere? edit: the table looks fine when I'm editing. TV must delete all the spaces in between. I don't know, but those figures must be wrong because PPP have one more party list seat, so it seems unlikely they would've gotten one extra seat by getting less votes... Bangkok Pundit used the figures from the EC website, but that might not be the final result given he wrote that the day after the election. I know it looks wonky .... but this is Thailand. I have never understood how PPP managed an extra seat but they did even though they got a slightly smaller vote count. It would be interesting to know exactly how that worked but tbh I don't have the time to check right now. Christchurch is my only priority at the moment. Why do you believe the figures on Wikipedia, when three other sources give different figures (which all match)? Including the ECT, and they're the ones that should know. Anyway, read the Yoon piece posted on Thaivisa earlier, even he says that PPP won the party list and the popular vote, and the figures on Wiki come from The Nation! I'll have a look for the official figures later, don't have much time now either. I think they're the same as the ones I already linked though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Fast forwarding 38 months from the election discussion to the present topic... Another red released on bail The Criminal Court on Thurday approved the temporary release of red supporter Somchai Paiboon, held in remand for terrorism charges in connection with the last year's riots. The court set bail at Bt100,000. Somchai's release came in the wake of Tuesday's bail for seven red leaders and a supporter. The bail approval was based on the linkage of his case to those involved the seven leaders. Somchai is a former councillor from Bangkok's Bang Bon district before joining the red-shirt movement. -- The Nation 2011-02-24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robby nz Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Fast forwarding 38 months from the election discussion to the present topic... Another red released on bail The Criminal Court on Thurday approved the temporary release of red supporter Somchai Paiboon, held in remand for terrorism charges in connection with the last year's riots. The court set bail at Bt100,000. Somchai's release came in the wake of Tuesday's bail for seven red leaders and a supporter. The bail approval was based on the linkage of his case to those involved the seven leaders. Somchai is a former councillor from Bangkok's Bang Bon district before joining the red-shirt movement. -- The Nation 2011-02-24 Wonder who put up the bail? Probably himself or his family, certainly not the reds. They will need all their money for their party and golf tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Why do you believe the figures on Wikipedia, when three other sources give different figures (which all match)? Including the ECT, and they're the ones that should know. Anyway, read the Yoon piece posted on Thaivisa earlier, even he says that PPP won the party list and the popular vote, and the figures on Wiki come from The Nation! I'll have a look for the official figures later, don't have much time now either. I think they're the same as the ones I already linked though. I can't imagine why wikipedia would be wrong with basic information like that, but as you said, it was sourced from the Nation, so we don't know the context or time of that. Similarly, with your previous BP link, do we know if anything changed after that (even with the "it seems final now")? The Election Commission results would be the ones I would believe, but I can't find them. Do you have a link? I would rather refer to that than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) Now the other paper is reporting that the terror of Udon Thani, Leader of the Love Udon Thai group and recently freed Red Shirt Leader Kwanchai is saying that all of the seven freed Red Shirt Leaders will be contesting the upcoming election as Pheu Thai Party candidates. They will run as Party-list MP's. One of the incentive he indicated is that if they are MP's they will enjoy Parliamentary immunity while their cases are processed and remain free from incarceration as Jatuporn is now. hmmmm.... rolling on with Thaksin = PTP = Red shirts . Edited February 24, 2011 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Fast forwarding 38 months from the election discussion to the present topic... Another red released on bail The Criminal Court on Thurday approved the temporary release of red supporter Somchai Paiboon, held in remand for terrorism charges in connection with the last year's riots. The court set bail at Bt100,000. Somchai's release came in the wake of Tuesday's bail for seven red leaders and a supporter. The bail approval was based on the linkage of his case to those involved the seven leaders. Somchai is a former councillor from Bangkok's Bang Bon district before joining the red-shirt movement. -- The Nation 2011-02-24 Wonder who put up the bail? Probably himself or his family, certainly not the reds. They will need all their money for their party and golf tournament. Something tells me that even though Somchai Paiboon came in at 15th place during the Bangkok Governor race in 2008 with a whopping 0.02% of the vote, he and the Paiboon family can easily raise the $3,262 bail to free himself from confinement on terrorism charges. Probably used a Platinum Visa card. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) The happy couple reunited... Thai anti-government "red shirt" leader Weng Tojirakarn gestures during an interview with Reuters at the red-shirt headquarters in Bangkok February 23, 2011. and Thida Tojirakarn, acting chairwoman of the "red shirts", smiles during an interview with Reuters at the "red-shirt" headquarters in Bangkok February 23, 2011. Tojirakarn told Reuters she saw no need to hold any prolonged protests following the release on bail of the movement's leaders REUTERS http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//110224/482/urn_publicid_ap_org352279e4867e464eb96a6367d8073120/#photoViewer=/110223/ids_photos_wl/r3911848698.jpg Does Weng's gesture reflect what returning home is about and if that's a Thida "smile", I'd hate to see her snarl. I guess she also forgot to mention to Reuters about the other "protests" that she has already scheduled. . Edited February 24, 2011 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 DSI warns 8 UDD core leaders not to instigate public disturbance BANGKOK, 1 March 2011 (NNT) – The Department of Special Investigation (DSI) has threatened to seek a court order suspending temporary release of the eight core figures of the United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) once they violate bail conditions. The eight UDD key figures had been detained on terrorism charge for over nine months at the Bangkok Remand Prison as a result of the UDD protest last summer. They were released on bail a week ago. The eight include Mr Nattawut Saikua, Medical Doctor Weng Tojirakarn, Mr Korkaew Pikulthong, Mr Nisit Sinthuprai, Mr Kwanchai Praipana, Mr Wiphuthalaeng Phatthanaphumthai, Mr Yosawarit Chuklom and Mr Phumkitti Sukchindathong. All of them have recently announced they will take the UDD stage and participate in the UDD’s movement. DSI Director-General Tharit Pengdit stressed that those UDD members could risk violating bail conditions by provoking their supporters to cause public disturbance; if they did so, the DSI would lodge a petition with the court against their bails immediately. Regarding the participation of those eight figures in a recent merit making ceremony arranged by the anti-government group at Pathum Wanaram Monastery in Bangkok, Mr Tharit viewed that their participation did not violate the bail conditions. -- NNT 2011-03-01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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