Israeli PM Netanyahu slams Palestine's unity efforts

[Jingthing]

Israel doesn't want peace. They are perfectly happy with the way things are. They have far too much to lose by making peace.

If by Israel you mean the current Israeli government, that is correct. However that doesn't mean all Israelis feel that way or that most global Jews feel that way.

It's the people that vote the government in..........

Not all the people. I never felt represented by Bush as an American. In a democracy, things can change. I feel it is important to separate the government from the people; otherwise in the case of Israel you would be painting all Israelis with the same brush as Netanyahu (or much worse, the far right politics of the settler movement) and that does not reflect the reality. A better example is Iran. Clearly, a huge portion of the Iranian people are not feeling represented by their current government.

Edited March 19, 2011 by Jingthing

[coma]

I don't agree with you, because I don't think anyone here seriously believes that talks between Netanyahu and whatever Palestinian coalition they might but probably won't cobble together, will ever come to anything.

Also, pressure from Russia means very little to Israel. Pressure from the USA means very much.

You are probably right, talks that involve Netanyahu will come to nothing.

Former Dutch PM tells Haaretz: European leaders can't trust Netanyahu ...

http://www.haaretz.c...anyahu-1.347806

Merkel chides Netanyahu for failing to make 'a single step to advance peace'

In a tense telephone call, PM tells German chancellor that he was disappointed by Germany's vote at UN, but assures her he intends to launch new peace plan soon; Merkel reportedly did not believe Netanyahu, saying he disappointed her.

http://www.haaretz.c...-peace-1.345539

Israel wary as Britain boosts Palestinian diplomatic status

Prior to British-Palestinian National Authority (PNA) talks set for Tuesday, British Foreign Secretary William Hague announced on Monday that his country was upgrading the diplomatic status of PNA representatives.

http://english.peopl...54/7313022.html

Europe's stand on Middle East peace

Benjamin Netanyahu's government gives every impression of believing this is as it should be. Only the other day it announced more illegal settlement-building in the West Bank. Mr Netanyahu has never shown serious intent about a peace accord; now he says that the upheavals in the region give further cause to hold back. The advance of democracy, the argument runs, has robbed Israel of "reliable" partners in the Arab world.

Israel's friends are taking a different view. Last month, Britain, France and Germany broke with Washington by backing a Security Council resolution condemning settlements in Jerusalem and the West Bank. The resolution drew the support of 14 of the 15 members – and a veto from a justly embarrassed Mr Obama.

http://www.ft.com/cm...l#axzz1H21IUmdu

Why does pressure from Russia means very little? Why does pressure from the USA means so much?

Because the ignorant Netanyahu is already isolated and Obama is the only friend he have left. So it goes if you think the opinion of other states just means very little to you or doesn't matter. You are at the mercy of a litte veto, but Obama cannot shrug the others so easily off like you do.

That sums it up very acurately. Let's just hope that Mr Netanyahu shows some intestinal fortitude and goes against popular opinion in his home land and comes to the party and gets serious about true peace in the Middle East. And gives his "permission" to the Paletinians to hold unity talks so as they can join as one and give birth the State of Palestine. Which I believe would be in the best interests of both party as well as the entire Middle East and world at large.

[bangkokeddy]

How much foreign/military aid does Russia give Israel? Israel is focused on their own survival and they do indeed face real serious threats; they understandably have trouble seeing the bigger global picture. It's funny, I am representing a very left wing but still pro existence of Jewish Israel point of view, but somehow that isn't anti-Israel enough for some. That says a lot, that indeed many of the critics of Israel don't want Israel to exist as a Jewish state in ANY form.

?

what means left wing? Isn't that an insult? Do you mean it as excuse?

If Israel becomes or already is international isolated it isn't because the international community denies Israel the right to exist in ANY form. It just means that nobody approves Israels current states of affair.

Is that to difficult to understand for a self declared left wing?

In my opinion and according to your statements here and demonstrated hatred of 'The muslim world' you are a pretty hardcore right wing nationalist/Zionist, but nowhere something i would call 'left'.

[coma]

How much foreign/military aid does Russia give Israel? Israel is focused on their own survival and they do indeed face real serious threats; they understandably have trouble seeing the bigger global picture. It's funny, I am representing a very left wing but still pro existence of Jewish Israel point of view, but somehow that isn't anti-Israel enough for some. That says a lot, that indeed many of the critics of Israel don't want Israel to exist as a Jewish state in ANY form.

For the record I am not one of those people. I long for the day when Israel and Palestine live side by side as nieghbours, trade partners and friends that can assist each other when one is feeling pain and suffering. Just think of it is something special and beautiful.I hope this will happen in my life time.

[Jingthing]

In my opinion and according to your statements here and demonstrated hatred of 'The muslim world' you are a pretty hardcore right wing nationalist/Zionist, but nowhere something i would call 'left'.

Thanks for sharing your opinion. It completely misrepresents my actual politics, but you have every right to it. I get the feeling that someone like you can't tolerate balanced positions (freaks you out!), it's black or white, and if it actually isn't black or white, you insist on forcing people who aren't full on black or white into your limited holes. Again, you are welcome to your dogma, but please leave me out of it.

Yes, within the context of Israeli politics or American politics, I am indeed quite left wing. Also, please sit down for this, it is entirely possible to be a left wing Zionist.

Again, I happen to think BOTH sides are majorly FUBAR, but I fully support the right of BOTH sides to exist peacefully with their own sovereign states. How is that going to ever happen? I don't know and you don't know either.

Edited March 19, 2011 by Jingthing

[craigt3365]

Numerous posts, back and forth bickering, were removed from view.

Keep it civil guys. :jap:

[coma]

Again, I happen to think BOTH sides are majorly FUBAR, but I fully support the right of BOTH sides to exist peacefully with their own sovereign states. How is that going to ever happen? I don't know and you don't know either.

Sacrafice is the only way.

[Jingthing]

Sacrafice is the only way.

Sure, from both sides. Don't act like the majority view on the Palestinian street isn't complete "liberation" of Israel, in other words kick all the Jews out.

[bangkokeddy]

Sacrafice is the only way.

Sure, from both sides. Don't act like the majority view on the Palestinian street isn't complete "liberation" of Israel, in other words kick all the Jews out.

argg, here we go again ....

[coma]

Sacrafice is the only way.

Sure, from both sides. Don't act like the majority view on the Palestinian street isn't complete "liberation" of Israel, in other words kick all the Jews out.

Like I stated before.I don't hold that view and despite what you think I really believe the ordinary Joe Citizen on the streets of Gaza or the West Bank don't hold that view also. They just want somewhere to call home, go to work, bring up their children and sent them to school. Unfortunaley however there are large fundementist groups who do want to see the end of Israel. But no matter how large they are IMO they are in the monority.

Hopefully revolution bug will catch on with the people of Palestine and they will rise up against these groups in the near future and establish a more moderate form of Government that will preside over both West Bank and Gaza.

[Jingthing]

Sacrafice is the only way.

Sure, from both sides. Don't act like the majority view on the Palestinian street isn't complete "liberation" of Israel, in other words kick all the Jews out.

argg, here we go again ....

See page 46.

http://www.theisraelproject.org/atf/cf/%7B84dc5887-741e-4056-8d91-a389164bc94e%7D/NOV2010_PALESTINIANPOLLPOWERPOINTNEW.PDF

[bangkokeddy]

Sacrafice is the only way.

Sure, from both sides. Don't act like the majority view on the Palestinian street isn't complete "liberation" of Israel, in other words kick all the Jews out.

argg, here we go again ....

See page 46.

http://www.theisraelproject.org/atf/cf/%7B84dc5887-741e-4056-8d91-a389164bc94e%7D/NOV2010_PALESTINIANPOLLPOWERPOINTNEW.PDF

Can you tell me any country that supports Israel with the settlements? There you must start to count.

Or is in all your open mind attitude just Obama who counts and all other getting it wrong?

Zionists are Israels problem, left or right. The bunker mentality and the phobia and disrespect of the others.

Golda Meir is a prime example for this.

[Ulysses G.]

Actually, Israel's biggest problem is no willing peace parter.

[bangkokeddy]

Actually, Israel's biggest problem is no willing peace parter.

You could try with Chechnya, if all other and the Russian are against you.

The full international recognition of Palestine will come. And maybe some more UN resolution that are not in favor of Israel. The 'international community' don't trust Netanyahu. What you think how that comes?

Edited March 19, 2011 by bangkokeddy

[Jingthing]

Can you tell me any country that supports Israel with the settlements? There you must start to count.

Or is in all your open mind attitude just Obama who counts and all other getting it wrong?

Zionists are Israels problem, left or right. The bunker mentality and the phobia and disrespect of the others.

Golda Meir is a prime example for this.

The poll results I showed on page 46 had nothing to do with settlements. It was about the majority goal of Palestinians about what should eventually happen to ALL the land there.

Specifically --

Second Statement: The real goal should be to

start with two states but then move to it all

being one Palestinian state.

Why bother including a quote when your reply has NOTHING to do with it?

http://www.theisraelproject.org/atf/cf/%7B84dc5887-741e-4056-8d91-a389164bc94e%7D/NOV2010_PALESTINIANPOLLPOWERPOINTNEW.PDF

I think voices critical of Israel should be very welcome here. I am very critical myself of many Israeli policies. However, it would be better if this was limited to COHERENT voices, rather than classic dodgeball players.

Edited March 19, 2011 by Jingthing

[bangkokeddy]

Can you tell me any country that supports Israel with the settlements? There you must start to count.

Or is in all your open mind attitude just Obama who counts and all other getting it wrong?

Zionists are Israels problem, left or right. The bunker mentality and the phobia and disrespect of the others.

Golda Meir is a prime example for this.

The poll results I showed on page 46 had nothing to do with settlements. It was about the majority goal of Palestinians about what should eventually happen to ALL the land there.

Specifically --

Second Statement: The real goal should be to

start with two states but then move to it all

being one Palestinian state.

Why bother including a quote when your reply has NOTHING to do with it?

http://www.theisraelproject.org/atf/cf/%7B84dc5887-741e-4056-8d91-a389164bc94e%7D/NOV2010_PALESTINIANPOLLPOWERPOINTNEW.PDF

I think voices critical of Israel should be very welcome here. I am very critical myself of many Israeli policies. However, it would be better if this was limited to COHERENT voices, rather than classic dodgeball players.

Is it that difficult to understand?

If you check and look only for data that prove your alarmist worst scenario paranoia, the "TRUTH" (in your caps) and muslimphobia you will fail to see those you can held peace talks with.

Don't be surprise if with such arrogant bunker partisans nobody wants play no more.

And i just checked if on the international level anybody believes Netanyahu is willing for peace talks. Found nobody.

[Ulysses G.]

And i just checked if on the international level anybody believes Netanyahu is willing for peace talks. Found nobody.

Sorry but worldjihad.com is not exactly a credible source.

[bangkokeddy]

And i just checked if on the international level anybody believes Netanyahu is willing for peace talks. Found nobody.

Sorry but worldjihad.com is not exactly a credible source.

No worry. according to jimmything its not important what the international community things. He is a left wing Zionist that makes him like an angel and you can just repeat your meme Netanyahu is peace.

The Palestinian will try to establish some unity. I wish them all the best.

And what does the international community according to Jerusalem Post or the Israeli Foreign minister? they are working all together, globally, with on goal:

Lieberman: 'World supporting creation of terror state'

By JPOST.COM STAFF 03/19/2011 12:43

Foreign minister instructs diplomats to file complaint in UN over morning barrage of mortars from Gaza; follows complaint over 'Victoria.'

Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman instructed Israel's diplomats in New York to lodge a complaint in the United Nations against a heavy barrage of mortar fire from the Gaza Strip Saturday morning.

Lieberman said that international support for the establishment of a Palestinian state is actually "support for the establishment of a terror state whose primary aim is the destruction of Israel."

...

http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=212844

LOL. the whole world conspires against them. How it comes? P.A.R.A.N.O.I.A. the unfunny part is that it makes even worse for Israel. Its bad when you got zionist and see 'enemies' everywhere.

Edited March 19, 2011 by bangkokeddy

[Ulysses G.]

If you check and look only for data that prove your alarmist worst scenario paranoia, the "TRUTH" (in your caps) and muslimphobia you will fail to see those you can held peace talks with.

"Paranoia" like this?

Hamas fires dozens of rockets at Israel

JERUSALEM — Israeli police say Hamas militants in Gaza have launched the heaviest shelling in more than two years on Israeli border communities.

A Gaza Health Ministry official said Israel's subsequent airstrikes killed a member of Hamas and injured two others.

Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman says he will file a complaint at the U.N. after Saturday's unusually large barrage of rockets.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42165280/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa

[philw]

If you check and look only for data that prove your alarmist worst scenario paranoia, the "TRUTH" (in your caps) and muslimphobia you will fail to see those you can held peace talks with.

"Paranoia" like this?

Hamas fires dozens of rockets at Israel

JERUSALEM — Israeli police say Hamas militants in Gaza have launched the heaviest shelling in more than two years on Israeli border communities.

A Gaza Health Ministry official said Israel's subsequent airstrikes killed a member of Hamas and injured two others.

Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman says he will file a complaint at the U.N. after Saturday's unusually large barrage of rockets.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42165280/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa

Any hits ???

[kuffki]

Isi it relevant if there were any hits????what is relevant is that 50 rockets were fired

[philw]

Isi it relevant if there were any hits????what is relevant is that 50 rockets were fired

Perhaps the relevance is the damage caused.

Was there any ??

If not, it was just ineffectual.

More Israeli Drama queens overstating the obvious might be the case here.

[kuffki]

So again in some twisted way it's israels fault?

[kuffki]

Since firing rocket into Israel is acceptable because there is no damage, there should not be a problem with continuing settlements since Israel does not do ant damage and there really is NO need for 2 state solution because there is no damage. And no need to recognize Palestine BECAUSE there is no damage

[brahmburgers]

I'm a pacifist and I think Netanyahu is ok. If that sounds like contradiction, then so be it.

I'd like to see all sorts of inducements for birth control throughout the Middle East. Pay people to not have babies, or whatever it takes. The region is desert. It doesn't have the carrying capacity for 1/20th the number of people trying to claw out a living there. It's no wonder there's incessant conflict.

[geriatrickid]

My understanding is that these "new" homes are actually apartments in existing Israeli places of abode on the West Bank specifically, Gush Etzion, Ma'ale Adumim, Ariel, and Kiryat Sefer. Although some are against these dwellings, there is a big difference between new location construction of single family dwellings and high density apartment blocks in an existing center of population. The intent is to send a message to the PLA that one can kill Israelis, but they will not go away. It is a political statement of resolve.

And what is your position the Palestinian families being evicted from their houses on thier own land whilst these new Israeli dwellings are being erected. Is that fair?

My understanding is that there are no evictions in respect to these apartments as they are being constructed in locations where the Israelis are present. Are you saying that Arabs are being evicted? Can you please tell me who and where in respect to these apartments.

Thank you.

[geriatrickid]

If you check and look only for data that prove your alarmist worst scenario paranoia, the "TRUTH" (in your caps) and muslimphobia you will fail to see those you can held peace talks with.

"Paranoia" like this?

Hamas fires dozens of rockets at Israel

JERUSALEM — Israeli police say Hamas militants in Gaza have launched the heaviest shelling in more than two years on Israeli border communities.

A Gaza Health Ministry official said Israel's subsequent airstrikes killed a member of Hamas and injured two others.

Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman says he will file a complaint at the U.N. after Saturday's unusually large barrage of rockets.

http://www.msnbc.msn...mideastn_africa

Any hits ???

Well, I'm sure it's a hit with the armchair lefties and right wing aluminum pie tin wearing crowd, By hit, do you mean did the Israeli defensive actions hit anyone? I believe the article gives the answer. What I don't understand is how Mr. Abbas thinks Israel is going to accept Hamas joining the PLA as long as Hamas fires rockets. Would you embrace a person trying to kill you?

[LaoPo]

I'm a pacifist and I think Netanyahu is ok.

In another context the newspaper Haaretz concluded different....:

"But in Jerusalem we don't have a government like that."

From the article:

A responsible government would calm, not escalate

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/a-responsible-government-would-calm-not-escalate-1.349046

LaoPo

[coma]

My understanding is that these "new" homes are actually apartments in existing Israeli places of abode on the West Bank specifically, Gush Etzion, Ma'ale Adumim, Ariel, and Kiryat Sefer. Although some are against these dwellings, there is a big difference between new location construction of single family dwellings and high density apartment blocks in an existing center of population. The intent is to send a message to the PLA that one can kill Israelis, but they will not go away. It is a political statement of resolve.

And what is your position the Palestinian families being evicted from their houses on thier own land whilst these new Israeli dwellings are being erected. Is that fair?

My understanding is that there are no evictions in respect to these apartments as they are being constructed in locations where the Israelis are present. Are you saying that Arabs are being evicted? Can you please tell me who and where in respect to these apartments.

Thank you.

Sorry. My point is more of the line that Palestinians are being eveicted from their own home on the own land then that very home is then given to an Israeli family.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,536183,00.html

Do you think this is a fair situation? Enjoy the read please. It saddens me.

[coma]

Israel doesn't want peace. They are perfectly happy with the way things are. They have far too much to lose by making peace.

At the end of the day this statement hits the nail on the head. Israel has a hell of alot more to lose by cutting a peace deal than the Palestinians, who would be awarded quite significant gains in land and freedom to trade and travel as they please. I dream of the day when it becomes a reality.