SameSame Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 Ok, so my sis-in-law is in BK. She called yesterday to say she was involved in some type of street fight (not directly, as in the physical contact - but more yelling) and apparently called a Thai police some name that is not socially acceptable in Thailand. She was asking for $6000US to get out of jail on bail. Is this possible? If she is in jail, really, would bail be set so high? If, instead, it has something to do with drugs(I do not know that it DOES, I am just trying to think this through - I suspect we are not getting the whole story) - how does Thai law apply to US citz.? Hope this thought is coherant and someone can shed some light on it for me. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersurch Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 Oh lord! That is a crap load of Benjamins. There is more to the arrest than just name-calling. Call the US embassy in Bangkok to find out how to deal with this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxexile Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 how does Thai law apply to US citz.? in the same way as u.s. law applies to thai citizens when in the u.s.a. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fox Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 When a person is in any country........ (whether local or foreign) , YOU are subjected to their laws, particularly " Criminal Laws " . For example, if a person is caught and convicted for serious drugs offences in Malaysia, he/she will face the mandatory death penalty. You cannot say, " I am from Timbuktu..... and in Timbuktu, I will only go to jail for that offence. " I hope that " US " citizen understand what I am trying to say with regards to Thai laws or any laws in any countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sing_Sling Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 US citizens are exempt from any laws in any country other than their own, unless thay are wealthy and can afford exceptional attorneys - then they are above the law even in their country. (well, actually they are not any different to anyone else in this world - they are subject to the same laws as anyone else) Imagine the sh!t you'd be in, verbally abusing a cop in Chicago, or wherever . . . What a bizarre question . . . . Call the US Embassy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinN Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 That sure is some question alright,,why do some people think that because they are a US citz. that they can do as they please and will get off because they are from the USA,,if anything they will get the same or worse treatment because they posed to have the bread to pay. In a traffic accident they are usually at fault in any other country,cause if they was home where they belonged the wreck wouldn't have happened. So anyone in a foreign country should be on their best behavior,and what was a farang doing getting mixed up with the cops for in the first place.?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchFARANGbkk Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 Ok, so my sis-in-law is in BK. She called yesterday to say she was involved in some type of street fight (not directly, as in the physical contact - but more yelling) and apparently called a Thai police some name that is not socially acceptable in Thailand. She was asking for $6000US to get out of jail on bail.Is this possible? If she is in jail, really, would bail be set so high? If, instead, it has something to do with drugs(I do not know that it DOES, I am just trying to think this through - I suspect we are not getting the whole story) - how does Thai law apply to US citz.? Hope this thought is coherant and someone can shed some light on it for me. Thanks 6000 usd? Yes, it seems to be the price for something about drug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbk Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 Agreed with frenchfarang, that is a seriously large bail, someone I know was arrested with a marijuana joint and his bail was only 50,000 baht (less than $1500). Don't know what your sister is up to, but it isn't yelling at a cop! She needs the embassy involved and she needs a lawyer, if she is really in this much trouble. Just make sure you know exactly whats up before you western union her $6000, talk to the US embassy. US Embassy in Thailand will have all the relevant phone numbers etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun ? Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 I would say that policeman has alot of (face) pride to extort that much. Let her use here credit card at western union for a cash advance. Stay out of it, she will be sober by the time the holidays are over and free as a bird most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_Pat_Pong Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 I would say that policeman has alot of (face) pride to extort that much. it is said to be bail Khun... B A I L ...not extortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidm Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 Let's not forget, Doctor, over here the police usually get to keep the bail even if the accused does not run away. This is extortion, although possibly justified as we don't know what offences have been committed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest IT Manager Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 Not sure where your information comes from David but a friend of mine was banged up a couple of years ago and he was bailed for 40K baht, which I got for him and it was returned on the cort date, by the police, in a very polite way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SameSame Posted December 22, 2003 Author Share Posted December 22, 2003 Update: Embassy now confirms SIL in jail for many charges. They tell us next to nothing due to privacy laws. Part of her charges are for theft and they believe the money originally requested was for a payoff of some sort to the police. KevinN, SlingSling, fox, taxexile - I misworded my first post and want to clarify. I did not mean to imply she would be above Thai law. I only wondered if she would go to some sort of national/international court as opposed to a BKK local court. At this point, I do not believe that is the case. Can anyone comment on jail conditions in BKK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf5370 Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 Think this amount is almost definatly a 'buy out of jail'. Had to 'bail' my brother-in-law out a few times for motorcycle offences. He';s Thai, so the cost is less (I paid through his sister - my wife - so they didn't see the farang connection), but there was no record kept after the 'bail' changed hands, no fine or court date. SameSame, you do not want to know what Thai prisons are like believe me! I think you can visit BKK Hilton, if so check it out for yourself. Old saying: "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 Update: Embassy now confirms SIL in jail for many charges. They tell us next to nothing due to privacy laws. Part of her charges are for theft and they believe the money originally requested was for a payoff of some sort to the police.KevinN, SlingSling, fox, taxexile - I misworded my first post and want to clarify. I did not mean to imply she would be above Thai law. I only wondered if she would go to some sort of national/international court as opposed to a BKK local court. At this point, I do not believe that is the case. Can anyone comment on jail conditions in BKK? Maybe you should travel to Thailand and see your sister, arrange a laywer and try to minimize her stay behind bars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gentleman Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 I think she did more than say something mate and you said they wouldnt say nothing due to privacy laws - theres no privacy laws in Thailand, especially when it relates to farangs - I bet you a mil, I could go and find out all for nothing as they have no privacy laws at all - i would do as George says mate (if your that worried) - saying something, is a misdemeanor, it would not carry a $6,000 bond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gentleman Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 P.S if she said Yet ......., yes she could be jailed for it - her defence is I dont speak Thai (at all or very well) and said something else....... Ask her what she said, if you can contact her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_Pat_Pong Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 Can anyone comment on jail conditions in BKK? Horrific. She will be dealt with by the normal Thai Courts. Were you expecting some sort of special arrangements for her ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SameSame Posted December 23, 2003 Author Share Posted December 23, 2003 Dr. I only know what I read here and what I can research on the internet. According to the Department of Corrections - Ministry of Justice -Thailand, there is a treaty between the US and Thailand in which convicted prisoners can be transferred to serve time in their own country. See website: http://www.correct.go.th/Innovation.htm#In...0of%20Prisoners Our situation has not gone this far yet. My SIL has not been formally charged yet (there are charges pending) but if convicted, we are all concerned to see her return to the states to serve out whatever sentence is given out. We were very concerned originally that this arrest could have drug implications, but apparently that is not the case (not that theft is any better/worse, just more surprising than a drug charge would have been) I appreciate all of you who have responded. Thanks for your imput. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fox Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 Hi Same Same: Your Quote " I only wondered if she would go to some sort of national/international court as opposed to BKK local court. " Sorry to say that the answer is definitely " No " ..... unless that person has committed " War Crimes " Just for your info on the notorious Bangkok Hilton, you can key into this website :http://home.freeuk.com/mounsey/bkt6.htm#e. Get a good lawyer and good luck. All the best. With warm regards, fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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