Thaksin: I'll Return At End Of Year

[Geeraphun]

I'm sorry but again I think many people here maybe did not read some of my previous posts. I was a member here a long time ago and just have new user name now again. I can appreciate the positive and negative comments but will say again, I am not red OR yellow. I am Thai people. When it is time for me to vote I can only hope that the votes are counted and fair. Whatever party wins we must accept that wether it is our vote or not. This will be the difficult for Thai people to accept.

As I say before, I am professor and have traveled many countries and most country I have been treated well. I would also like to see foreigners treated well in my country. Some post here they think that there is only red or yellow in Thailand but when you go out from the city you will find that most of us are just only Thai people. There is only very small amount or radicals in red and yellow and the elite is mostly in Bangkok so they are very small group and do not represent most of us.

I forget to mention in one post a person say that how can Thaksin be a PM because he take up another nationality but I want to also point out that Abhisit was born in UK and have UK Citizenship so...........

I can only say that in my opinion that I think most Thai people only want a fair election and want stability.

[whybother]

<snip>

I can only say that in my opinion that I think most Thai people only want a fair election and want stability.

Do you think that there will be stability with either result (PTP winning or Democrats winning)?

I don't.

[animatic]

Quite the influx of brand newly minted Thaksin Cheerleaders.

He must really think Thaivisa has an influence over someone out there, or why bother to go to such an effort.

Edited May 9, 2011 by animatic

[whybother]

Quite the influx of brand newly minted Thaksin Cheerleaders.

He must really think Thaivisa has an influence over someone out there, or why bother to go to such an effort.

I did see an anti-Thaksin newbie today.

But as long as they (pro or anti) have something constructive to say, it doesn't bother me.

It's the ones, new and old, that come in with their usually incorrect one liners, that are a waste of space.

[ETatBKK]

my straightforward mind also told me something like this as well ! yet, the most intersting things in the Thai politics, will change the rule of the game overnight !

will see just in couple of months ahead !

Maybe Thaksin thinks that the Pheu Thai will win the elections.

He will be welcomed back with open arms.

He is a convicted criminal.

Let the police put him in jail.

[Crushdepth]

It will be amusing to see if Thaksins party can get banned for electoral fraud a third time in a row.

[asiawatcher]

Thaksin has a hide thicker than the old fort on Chao Praya - he is a convicted criminal and thinks he can just waltz back in and all is forgiven. HIs wife did so, thus he figures immunity - but he does not take into account the otter six charges - far more severe than these minor one. He is totally delusional and certainly in leave of his senses thinking Thai people - even PTP - want this con man back.

It is also nice to see Khun Geeraphun's comments. I disagree in some thoughts and agree with others. But the most corrupt of all politicians to date has been Thaksin so why would you vote for him? He has stolen billions of USD (nay Baht) from your countrymen and yet still maintains the facade as their saviour? When will Thai people accept the charade and treat the criminal with the punishment befitting the crimes?

As far as the present Govt and Police are concerned the problem with the endemic corruption within cannot be solved through education - it has to be punishment, seizure of assets, and sever enough penalty to stamp out wayward thoughts and in the case of police, certainly better wages and conditions and a mandate to enforce laws no matter how feeble they may appear to them. Yes, it is also education [snip] as the pathetic excuse for democracy is a withering leaf run by crime gangs.

[animatic]

I'm sorry but again I think many people here maybe did not read some of my previous posts. I was a member here a long time ago and just have new user name now again. I can appreciate the positive and negative comments but will say again, I am not red OR yellow. I am Thai people. When it is time for me to vote I can only hope that the votes are counted and fair. Whatever party wins we must accept that wether it is our vote or not. This will be the difficult for Thai people to accept.

As I say before, I am professor and have traveled many countries and most country I have been treated well. I would also like to see foreigners treated well in my country. Some post here they think that there is only red or yellow in Thailand but when you go out from the city you will find that most of us are just only Thai people. There is only very small amount or radicals in red and yellow and the elite is mostly in Bangkok so they are very small group and do not represent most of us.

I forget to mention in one post a person say that how can Thaksin be a PM because he take up another nationality but I want to also point out that Abhisit was born in UK and have UK Citizenship so...........

I can only say that in my opinion that I think most Thai people only want a fair election and want stability.

Hi Professor, nice to seeing an high level teacher posting.

A coiple pf points.

Thaksin has lost all his Thai passports and actively take other citizenships.

Abhisit was born in England of Thai Nationals, and thus CAN choose

British citizenship and not be denied, but he has NOT actively chosen to,

and HAS actively chosen Thai citizenship.

And I discretely note another very highly seated person was also born

in Cambridge Mass USA, and is quite rightly in his position as a Thai.

In other words; place of birth is only PART of the issue.

Who you are born too and what you choose later mean much much more.

Also, I 100% agree that MOST Thais are neither red nor yellow.

And I wish there were run off elections so that ONE party

could be confirmed winner between the 2 main candidates,

chosen by ALL Thai voters.

ie. 1st election all parties compete. if one ;arty gets 50.0000001% they form the government.

From this election all MP seats are chosen.

If NO party gets the magic majority of 50.0000001% then have a run off between the

top TWO vote getting parties, all the little parties are cut out,

BUT their voters are now free to choose again for EITHER of the largest two minority parties.

And the run off is for thew seats available between these TWO parties.

The little parties still keep their legislative seats, but the two largest groups remaining seats are up for grabs by equal competition.

This way the all Thai voters can have their voices heard choosing between the biggest parties.

And still have had their say voting for niche side line parties.

Of course this won't be pleasing to the likes of Newin, Sanoh, Banharn, etc.

[lannarebirth]

Maybe Thaksin thinks that the Pheu Thai will win the elections.

He will be welcomed back with open arms.

He is a convicted criminal.

Let the police put him in jail.

The problem is if the Phuea Thai do win the election they will be justifiably disbanded as they are so clearly undr the control of a figure that has been banished from politics. The evil amongst them will convince the stupid amongst them that, that equates to a "double standard", which in that case certainly wouldn't be true. back to square one. fortunately, it is my opinion at theis time PTP will not figure greatly in the elections.

[ginjag]

<snip>

I can only say that in my opinion that I think most Thai people only want a fair election and want stability.

Do you think that there will be stability with either result (PTP winning or Democrats winning)?

I don't.

Most Thai people want what they can get, MONEY yes greed so when it's voting time the same applies.

I have read your posts and most of what you say would be Ideal===BUT you have chosen the convict. You are Thai and you actually believe in this man, despite his record, well all I can say is amazing Thailand, I just don't believe that a well educated person full well knowing how much has happened, can speak about this person as though he is a martyr.

[Oberkommando]

If Puea Thai are disbanded after being victorious in the elections the country could plunge into widespread civil conflict which could trigger another coup and take us further from democracy than since pre-1976.

If only the military hadn't interfered in 2006, none of this would be happening.

Generals and politics don't mix, and I see another appointed general has become speaker of the house earlier today.

[lannarebirth]

If Puea Thai are disbanded after being victorious in the elections the country could plunge into widespread civil conflict which could trigger another coup and take us further from democracy than since pre-1976.

If only the military hadn't interfered in 2006, none of this would be happening.

Generals and politics don't mix, and I see another appointed general has become speaker of the house earlier today.

But you do agree they could be legitimately disbanded under prevailing laws do you not? The outfall from that could be just as you suggest but that doesn't make the case any less weak.

[rubl]

From the OP k. Thaksin said

""I will definitely come back at the end of this year. Just when my plane touches down at Suvarnabhumi Airport,""

the courts can finally dust off those dossiers concerning all the cases which were awaiting my return

Based on his initial conviction, he also has 730 days of this awaiting his plane touching down at Suvarnabhumi Airport

As said...

DPM Suthep not worried about Thaksin's planned return to Thailand in Nov; says he will have to go to jail once he lands in Thailand /TAN_Network

Don't tell anyone, but k. Suthep phones me sometimes

[mca]

Quite the influx of brand newly minted Thaksin Cheerleaders.

He must really think Thaivisa has an influence over someone out there, or why bother to go to such an effort.

Which, above all else, is indicative that he must be losing the plot reading some of the banal, repetitive, blinkered, moronic, downright mental and obsessive to the point of being terrifying posts the poster responsible most probably considers incisive political commentary. On all sides.

Edited May 9, 2011 by mca

[WAERTH]

Quite the influx of brand newly minted Thaksin Cheerleaders.

He must really think Thaivisa has an influence over someone out there, or why bother to go to such an effort.

Which, above all else, is indicative that he must be losing the plot reading some of the banal, repetitive, blinkered, moronic, downright mental and obsessive to the point of being terrifying posts the poster responsible most probably considers incisive political commentary. On all sides.

Nah all he is doing is digging out whom is against him. This so when he is back in power he can take measures against those people

[janverbeem]

If Puea Thai are disbanded after being victorious in the elections the country could plunge into widespread civil conflict which could trigger another coup and take us further from democracy than since pre-1976.

If only the military hadn't interfered in 2006, none of this would be happening.

Generals and politics don't mix, and I see another appointed general has become speaker of the house earlier today.

But you do agree they could be legitimately disbanded under prevailing laws do you not? The outfall from that could be just as you suggest but that doesn't make the case any less weak.

But they should take legal action now and not wait till after the election.

[jdinasia]

If Puea Thai are disbanded after being victorious in the elections the country could plunge into widespread civil conflict which could trigger another coup and take us further from democracy than since pre-1976.

If only the military hadn't interfered in 2006, none of this would be happening.

Generals and politics don't mix, and I see another appointed general has become speaker of the house earlier today.

But you do agree they could be legitimately disbanded under prevailing laws do you not? The outfall from that could be just as you suggest but that doesn't make the case any less weak.

If only the military had not interfered in 2006, Thaksin would still be plundering Thailand ..... the first 2500+ casualties in the war on drugs would have been repteated a few times, Tak Bai and Thaksin's strategy for the South would have exploded even worse, the very last of the checks and balances of democracy would have been eroded instead of being set aside for a year, Thaksin's family members that are generals..... etc etc .. cronyism and nepotism would be worse than they were before ..... but hey, at least AIS would have the monopoly on 3G!

[ginjag]

If Puea Thai are disbanded after being victorious in the elections the country could plunge into widespread civil conflict which could trigger another coup and take us further from democracy than since pre-1976.

If only the military hadn't interfered in 2006, none of this would be happening.

Generals and politics don't mix, and I see another appointed general has become speaker of the house earlier today.

But you do agree they could be legitimately disbanded under prevailing laws do you not? The outfall from that could be just as you suggest but that doesn't make the case any less weak.

If only the military had not interfered in 2006, Thaksin would still be plundering Thailand ..... the first 2500+ casualties in the war on drugs would have been repteated a few times, Tak Bai and Thaksin's strategy for the South would have exploded even worse, the very last of the checks and balances of democracy would have been eroded instead of being set aside for a year, Thaksin's family members that are generals..... etc etc .. cronyism and nepotism would be worse than they were before ..... but hey, at least AIS would have the monopoly on 3G!

Well put. Trouble is they all know it out there, so why the dickens are some of them sticking up for the man.

Helping the Issan people, 55555 Ha -- welcome to never never land.

[rubl]

There is news for Suthep. Prayuth and Abhisit too. They will go to jail too for mass murder on innocent demonstrators. Suthep is very very afraid that PT wins a overwhelming majority. A second war on drugs is not a happy thought either for many many people in the government and military who use their complete salary right now to buy petrol for their far too big cars.

Start reading the HRW report first. Just quoting 'government/army to blame' doesn't help your case

[thailand49]

Now let me get this right from what I just read!

Coming back expects no jail time! plans to get back into politics using the War on drugs as his excuse by paying the cops on the table instead of under. Plan on getting the big fish and allowing the little fish to go? Now I put two and two together seems like he is going to sleep with the drug dealers to get his support back into the country! At least they have a real army in the Golden triangle to fight for him?

As long as the baht depreciates I don't really care so another snow job while the Thai people suffers!

[mrjohnno]

It's so simple. The poor people want Thaksin back even though they knew he was corrupt because he helped them. The middle and upper class don't want him back because they know THEY will have to pay. The middle and upper class also know that whoever is in charge (other than Thaksin and his ilk) is corrupt but THEY are safe.

[Jirapa]

Maybe the Thai got to learn from USA in practicing true Democracy!!!!

Is that a joke?

[Jirapa]

It's so simple. The poor people want Thaksin back even though they knew he was corrupt because he helped them. The middle and upper class don't want him back because they know THEY will have to pay. The middle and upper class also know that whoever is in charge (other than Thaksin and his ilk) is corrupt but THEY are safe.

Taksin's no fool! He wouldn't be coming back if he thought be'd be banged up for many years after his arrival

[meelousee]

I am going to weigh in on this topic at a risk.

I know many of you were inconvenienced when the long Red Shirt protest extended itself into mayhem. I will tell you that the mayhem was orchestrated from within the ruling party, by how much I dont know but I do know that they Killed the Thai General that was nick named after the Red Shirt movement, Suea Dang, he was murdered plain and simple.

So the two items to consider.

1. Taksin ordered that all capitol purchases by the military would include as payment a 50% barter for agriculture products, and parliament passed the measure. This did not take 50% of the tea money away from the military this dissolved it entirely. This made the platform for a coup.

2. Taksin left Thailand to address the UN general assembly on two fronts, one was the Prah Verah temple and the other was the true border. He is well known to be good friends with Hun Sin there was to be a consensuses of 50-50 share of tourist traffic a new road linking the 3/4 disputed temples, a hotel and a casino. He was actually going to pull the thorn out of Thailand's side that has been much discomfort since 1965. This was then his coup to prevent him from stopping the flow of drugs, money, and people trafficking from Cambodia. I think it would have worked :jap:

So flame away, I am sure you will hard facts and truth always gets a rise out of social networking.

[rubl]

I am going to weigh in on this topic at a risk.

... middle removed ...

So flame away, I am sure you will hard facts and truth always gets a rise out of social networking.

Although your post might be called trolling, let's just assume you're seriously interested in this subject. May I suggest you read the HRW report from one/two weeks ago? When you still have questions or remarks after, just post them here

[jdinasia]

I am going to weigh in on this topic at a risk.

... middle removed ...

So flame away, I am sure you will hard facts and truth always gets a rise out of social networking.

Although your post might be called trolling, let's just assume you're seriously interested in this subject. May I suggest you read the HRW report from one/two weeks ago? When you still have questions or remarks after, just post them here

Getting a few of the facts right wouldn't hurt either......

[whybother]

If Puea Thai are disbanded after being victorious in the elections the country could plunge into widespread civil conflict which could trigger another coup and take us further from democracy than since pre-1976.

If only the military hadn't interfered in 2006, none of this would be happening.

Generals and politics don't mix, and I see another appointed general has become speaker of the house earlier today.

Yep, if the military hadn't interfered in 2006, Thaksin would be the dictator that he wanted to be already.

[TAWP]

The way to stop or at least begin to stop corruptin in Thailand is to give good salaries and so people can live good life. This way there will be less chance of corruptions. When my childrens come from University they can only get low paying jobs.

I thought salaries should be given on performance, not something else?

If children can finish University and get a good job that give them enough money to live a decent life then it will help their journy in life to take the middle path and go away from direction of corruption.

No offense, but I know a lot of Thai's that have finished university and earn good salaries.

Of course, they didn't graduate with a 2.3 GPA average and with a complete lack of knowledge in the subject they were majoring in...

I am 50 year Thai and think government must start with:

1. Education at International standards for ALL Thai. Not only rich. English language must be good.
2. Good health care for ALL Thai people.
3. Thailand MUST have good internet if we want to compete Internationally.
4. Labor standards to be set so people can be to make good money for future
5. Stop corruption in Thailand at the same time as raising salaries.
6. Stop drugs here and even if people need to die. The drug dealers will know a law and if continue then they know have death penalty.
7. Have better anf fast system set up to help victoms of disasters because it seems to happen more these days.
8. Make peace with our neighbours even if it mean to give temple rights away in Cambodia and allow access for tourist.

I also have many foreign friend who complain about the visa rules etc so maybe if government can take the fee for visas and apply it direct to Education or war on drugs then the foreigner can feel good about where the visa money goes.

I know in the world all government have corruption but when Thaksin was our PM he did not hide it like many other governments. I can accept this. Maybe if Abhisit have more money and experience he could have done the good job but it is proved that he did not and he have his chance already.

You suggestions show the usual lack of understanding of how the world works that is expected from someone that have no problem in seeing people dying so your moral agenda can prevail.

Excuse me while I go outside and puke a bit...

[letitbe]

<snip>

I can only say that in my opinion that I think most Thai people only want a fair election and want stability.

Do you think that there will be stability with either result (PTP winning or Democrats winning)?

I don't.

Most Thai people want what they can get, MONEY yes greed so when it's voting time the same applies.

I have read your posts and most of what you say would be Ideal===BUT you have chosen the convict. You are Thai and you actually believe in this man, despite his record, well all I can say is amazing Thailand, I just don't believe that a well educated person full well knowing how much has happened, can speak about this person as though he is a martyr.

maybe the election will do it maybe it wont but in end no way is Mr T coming back. It will be stopped by wither a coup or disbanding whatever it takes and then maybe in a few years if this evil nasty dangerous vampire is finally gone someone honest and real can be a proper voice for poor in this country. If I am wrong and Mr t is able somehow to ever get back in power then maybe people of Thailand just don't deserve a voice IMHO better a coup or anything than then nightmare which would follow. But best outcome would be for Democrats to get most votes most seats but not a majority and form another coalition then rats who support Mr T will desert in droves knowing game is up

[letitbe]

If Puea Thai are disbanded after being victorious in the elections the country could plunge into widespread civil conflict which could trigger another coup and take us further from democracy than since pre-1976.

If only the military hadn't interfered in 2006, none of this would be happening.

Generals and politics don't mix, and I see another appointed general has become speaker of the house earlier today.

i really hope so Taksin is or would be if he was allowed to be an evil dictator akin to Mugabwe Hussain Hitler and others. He would ruin this country and I for one while not welcoming any coup would welcome one which stopped him ever getting any chance to do what Mugabwe did to that once beautiful country. If military had not interfered in 2006 you would not even be allowed an election by now except by a one party system ruled by great man. Look at history you fool