Interesting Link

[David006]

...was just looking up how to make virgin coconut oil ( after reading a thread on tv)and came across central america forum.

Did not know coconut plants needed SALT as a fertiliser!!.

The link is found by sticking in hyphens and adding dot com.

Lots of real interesting/good info worth a look for tropical farmers and gardeners!

cheer

david

[IsaanAussie]

I can imagine that finding any information of an form of virgin oil or anything related to Thailand may be a challenge with or without the punctuation.

[David006]

I can imagine that finding any information of an form of virgin oil or anything related to Thailand may be a challenge with or without the punctuation.

in Canada there is a saying that the only virgin you'll find is the ugly girl in grade 6.....yeah sick I know ...lol

[IsaanAussie]

David,

Not sick mate, a healthy sense of reality. I live in a village with a convicted rapist as Poo Yai and the extortionist trying to cause me problems a convicted pedafile. Sometimes life's twists and turns can only be laughed at.

IA

[soidog2]

http://central-america-forum.com/forum-topic/salt-coconut-fertilize

[WatersEdge]

Interesting site.

Truth is once again stranger than fiction.

Even though they say it's good to use Seawater or even Salt NaCl on the coconut trees,

they link Chlorine as the active fertilizer ingredient for Coconut,

not Sodium.

Note that Seawater is 0.35% Saline, a variety of salts, but mainly NaCl

Note that 0-0-60 Fertilizer is KCl Potassium Chloride

You get the Chlorine for the Coconuts,

and yet don't poison the soil for other things.

Sodium is never your friend.

There are plants which tolerate it, Beets, Date Palm, Asparagus but nothing actually wants it.

Secondly....

Note that Calcium Chloride CaCl2 is readily available cheaper than KCl

and carries two Chlorine for the weight of one Calcium.

Calcium is a friendly plant element just as Potassium

I have not searched for CaCl2 in Thailand,

but it is so abundant and cheap worldwide,

that I can't imagine it not being available here as well.

It is the waste by product from the Solvay process making Baking Soda.

In any country having Limestone and Salt, Baking Soda and Calcium Chloride is not far behind.

You could not possibly convince me to put Sodium on farm soil.

Grew up in the Nevada high desert,

have seen enough problematic Sodium ground to last me a lifetime.

There was a thread on the organic farm forum a while back about putting "salt" on trees.

At that time I tried to clarify the difference between completely different kinds of salts.

Salt is a general term of a chemical compound formed on reaction of an acid and a base,

not to be confused with the generic term Salt i.e. Table Salt NaCl Sodium Chloride

It was stated that salt found in Isaan was good for plants.

This is true, because there is a lot of KCl in Isaan salt,

but the NaCl portion is just as harmful as the KCl is beneficial.

One TV contributor in that thread categorically refused to allow

that putting salt on any ground was a good idea.

I agreed on Sodium salts.

This topic brings the concept to light again.

It is possible to separate the different salts if they happen to occur together in nature,

as is the case in Isaan.

The trash salt in Isaan is not necessarily as worhtless as it may first appear.

If anyone has a supply that is a problem, please do tell.

[David006]

Interesting site.

Truth is once again stranger than fiction.

Even though they say it's good to use Seawater or even Salt NaCl on the coconut trees,

they link Chlorine as the active fertilizer ingredient for Coconut,

not Sodium.

Note that Seawater is 0.35% Saline, a variety of salts, but mainly NaCl

Note that 0-0-60 Fertilizer is KCl Potassium Chloride

You get the Chlorine for the Coconuts,

and yet don't poison the soil for other things.

Sodium is never your friend.

There are plants which tolerate it, Beets, Date Palm, Asparagus but nothing actually wants it.

Secondly....

Note that Calcium Chloride CaCl2 is readily available cheaper than KCl

and carries two Chlorine for the weight of one Calcium.

Calcium is a friendly plant element just as Potassium

I have not searched for CaCl2 in Thailand,

but it is so abundant and cheap worldwide,

that I can't imagine it not being available here as well.

It is the waste by product from the Solvay process making Baking Soda.

In any country having Limestone and Salt, Baking Soda and Calcium Chloride is not far behind.

You could not possibly convince me to put Sodium on farm soil.

Grew up in the Nevada high desert,

have seen enough problematic Sodium ground to last me a lifetime.

There was a thread on the organic farm forum a while back about putting "salt" on trees.

At that time I tried to clarify the difference between completely different kinds of salts.

Salt is a general term of a chemical compound formed on reaction of an acid and a base,

not to be confused with the generic term Salt i.e. Table Salt NaCl Sodium Chloride

It was stated that salt found in Isaan was good for plants.

This is true, because there is a lot of KCl in Isaan salt,

but the NaCl portion is just as harmful as the KCl is beneficial.

One TV contributor in that thread categorically refused to allow

that putting salt on any ground was a good idea.

I agreed on Sodium salts.

This topic brings the concept to light again.

It is possible to separate the different salts if they happen to occur together in nature,

as is the case in Isaan.

The trash salt in Isaan is not necessarily as worhtless as it may first appear.

If anyone has a supply that is a problem, please do tell.

All good info mate...while I would agree that you are correct in saying salt is not a good idea for most plants ( post war Australia they irrigated land for farming..water table up and salt with it..killed everything and made the land useless).

We used to live behind the beach in N Queensland and it was covered with coconut palms...great coconuts ..Australian south sea islanders used to come most Sundays for their barbie etc and make their coconut milk on the spot from wind fall coconuts..learned a lot from watching and talking to them.

It is possible that the palms were also "fed" by fertiliser run off/leach in the streams from the sugar cane fields behind us...?

Edited September 2, 2011 by David006

[drtreelove]

Sodium is a major cation in soil chemistry and an important factor at the right concentration. To add it or not should be based on a soil test, not on general assumptions.

I am using Redmond Mineral Salt or sea-salt for some soil amendment situations, based on soil analysis and prescription.

Read "The Ideal Soil: A Handbook For the New Agriculture" by Michael Astera. e-book available www.soilminerals.com

Edited September 4, 2011 by drtreelove

[David006]

Sodium is a major cation in soil chemistry and an important factor at the right concentration. To add it or not should be based on a soil test, not on general assumptions.

I am using Redmond Mineral Salt or sea-salt for some soil amendment situations, based on soil analysis and prescription.

Read "The Ideal Soil: A Handbook For the New Agriculture" by Michael Astera. e-book available www.soilminerals.com

excellent link ..thanks..answers a lot of questions.. :jap: