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Other than purely baiting for yet another one of your patented argumentative-squabbling-ending-up-deleted sessions, there are far more media posts discrediting Yingluck by simply quoting her than I could ever muster up.

Actually the responsible media reports do criticise the government where there has been poor decision making and slow responses.Entirely legitimate both in the press and on this forum

But for you it's all about piling on abuse

At a time of national emergency it's entirely appropriate to point this out, and to pinpoint your ridiculous excesses such as the post in question.

The level of abuse piled on by the more extreme side of the media with claims such as hoarding without even examining distribution and logistical difficulties, together with the part they played in creating panic and price increases, and seemingly cheerleading the BKK governor in everything he does while serially attacking anybody or person on the government side to spreading rumours is probably why I see people who are usually critical of the government actually more supportive right now and quite embarrassed at some of the things said and done by those they used to side with.

There is room for criticism of government etc but what has been seen in a lot of cases in recent weeks go far beyond that to what looks like a campaign to try and oust government by a group who seem to want things to get worse, and that is not missed by a lot of Thai people who want to see the government given room to do its job. And lets remember they will judged by the people at the next election, and that most of that will be based on how the recovery is handled rather than how a natural disaster was dealt with.

It is amazing how you manage to see things that other people don't. I'm undecided whether you have a 6th sense, hallucinations or self-delusion.

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With Yingluck saying these are the "worst floods ever in history", which incidentally no one else is saying, the 20-30 year time period you mention is probably under-evaluated. Disregarding Yingluck's bluster, most international media outlets are still assigning it 50 and 60 year time frames.

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By God I think you have nailed her now.So many posts throughout the emergency where your efforts have been focused on discrediting the PM.Finally you have done it with your magnificent discovery that Yingluck said the floods were the worst ever but in fact they were only the worst for 50 years.Well done.Carry on with observations of this sophistication and maturity and you will be able to destroy her utterly.Chaiyo.

Other than purely baiting for yet another one of your patented argumentative-squabbling-ending-up-deleted sessions, there are far more media posts discrediting Yingluck by simply quoting her than I could ever muster up.

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briliant reply - your info given to us readers is even more valueable. thx

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With Yingluck saying these are the "worst floods ever in history", which incidentally no one else is saying, the 20-30 year time period you mention is probably under-evaluated. Disregarding Yingluck's bluster, most international media outlets are still assigning it 50 and 60 year time frames.

By God I think you have nailed her now.So many posts throughout the emergency where your efforts have been focused on discrediting the PM.Finally you have done it with your magnificent discovery that Yingluck said the floods were the worst ever but in fact they were only the worst for 50 years.Well done.Carry on with observations of this sophistication and maturity and you will be able to destroy her utterly.Chaiyo.

Other than purely baiting for yet another one of your patented argumentative-squabbling-ending-up-deleted sessions, there are far more media posts discrediting Yingluck by simply quoting her than I could ever muster up.

brilliant reply - your info given to us readers is even more valuable. thx

Thank you. :wai:

I hope you don't mind I fixed the quotes.

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.......they couldn't be trusted to distribute bottles of water ..........

........let alone countless......and uncounted donations.................

.........add 900 billion.........who's counting???......who can stop them anyway......

....they can simply move away after all.....like others before them..........

......shameless, disgraceful......

Posted (edited)

There is room for criticism of government etc but what has been seen in a lot of cases in recent weeks go far beyond that to what looks like a campaign to try and oust government by a group who seem to want things to get worse

Could you share examples that lead you to believe that the overall disgruntlement of many, many Thais with their government is a coordinated campaign?

I do see lots of criticism in the media and social networks in English and Thai, but I've not seen anything to indicate it was all part of a larger coordinated plot to oust the government.

From what I see, it seems more like just a lot of people, of all walks, who are simply and genuinely upset with the government's abysmal response to the flooding and voicing that in Facebook, Pantip, Twitter, forums, etc.

What do you see differently that would indicate a conspiracy?

The media is certainly portraying more and more of what I was speaking of, but I am still not seeing the anger as a orchestrated campaign to topple the government in a conspiratorial manner that you speak of.

Thai flood frustration grows, cabinet eyes recovery

BANGKOK - Thai authorities tried to stem growing anger among flood victims on Tuesday as water swamped new neighbourhoods and the government began mapping out a plan costing billions of dollars to prevent a repeat disaster and secure investor confidence.

The floods began in July and have devastated large parts of the central Chao Phraya river basin, killed nearly 400 people and disrupted the lives of more than two million.

Continues:

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/11/2/worldupdates/2011-11-01T182154Z_01_NOOTR_RTRMDNC_0_-602376-2&sec=Worldupdates

Reuters - 36 minutes ago

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I am sure Yingluck is guilty of a Freudian slip in calling the project "The New Thailand Project". The writing is on the wall as far as Thaksin's intentions go but she didn't have to make it so obvious.

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why is the Thai government in Dubai and not in Thailand?

Floods are happening every year, but not as severe as this one. Ayutthaya for example. I know a family who's grandfather jumps into the floods directly from his house every year with 2m, this year 3m. The flood this year even got some help as if prepared for this particular event. I don't believe in coincidence, but the MP who ordered the stop of water from the dam(s) is probably just a patsy for someone. Who's patsy is he?

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why is the Thai government in Dubai and not in Thailand?

Floods are happening every year, but not as severe as this one. Ayutthaya for example. I know a family who's grandfather jumps into the floods directly from his house every year with 2m, this year 3m. The flood this year even got some help as if prepared for this particular event. I don't believe in coincidence, but the MP who ordered the stop of water from the dam(s) is probably just a patsy for someone. Who's patsy is he?

elcent

You plucked those words right out of my head. What would be absolutely fascinating would be to know exactly who (MP) told the Royal Irrigation Department (I think that is the correct title of the organization responsible for the dams) not to release the water and why and who put the MP up to it? Why did the RID obey an order from an MP, what capacity and importantly authority was the MP acting under? Had the RID released water correctly on schedule it is unlikely that this disaster would have unfolded.

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Sarcasm noted. But I'm talking about real investment across the entire education system, new schools, higher wages, teaching and learning standards raised. A far better use of a loan than digging a set of tunnels which will remian unused for most of the year.

Education is no good to anyone if the country is flooded for 2-3 months every year.

Also, education doesn't just need money thrown at it. It needs a complete overhaul of attitudes.

The voice of reason.

Education should be upgraded and there is no two ways about that.

How ever if the floods still continue to control the country year after year no amount of education will help.

The knowledge is already here just a question of using it.

<deleted> - floods year after year - Okay please give details of floods which controlled the country in these years.

2000??

2001??

2002?

2003?

2004?

2005?

2006?

2007?

2008?

2009?

2010?

Exactly there weren't any floods these years (i could go back further but I think i've made my point) . Just because we have a single once in a lifetime / generation flood this year it's hardly an indicator of repeat of floods of this magnitude in subsequent years (2012, 2013 etc).

What this 800 Billion baht represents is very bad value for money for the the country which could be better spent elesewhere. And lets remember it's the tax payer or natives who foot the bill either with taxable contributions or reduced public services.

There were no floods in these years?????????

Please shgow us that other Thailand on the world map.

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Senator Anurak Niyomvech said yesterday he agreed with the New Thailand idea, but was concerned where the government would obtain the funding.

Yingluck's Energy Minister (which oddly seems to be the ministry running this "Project") said it would come from using up the Bank of Thailand's foreign reserves. No risks associated with depleting that, is there?

Oddly, he didn't say whether or not the Bank of Thailand's Investment Committee nor its Executive Committee had agreed to this. :ermm:

http://www.bot.or.th/ENGLISH/FINANCIALMARKETS/RESERVEMANAGEMENT/Pages/OfficialForeignReservesProcess.aspx

He also said that other countries have supposedly said they would help in funding this unstudied "Project."

Central Bank: Further Flood Relief Measures Unnecessary

The Bank of Thailand insisted there is no need for additional financial assistance to be issued for individuals and businesses hit by massive flooding, as existing measures are still adequate.

Bank of Thailand Governor Prasarn Trairatworakul said there is currently no need for further flood relief measures beyond those being implemented by commercial banks and other financial institutions.

He believes the measures to loosen loan repayment conditions as announced by commercial banks such as debt deferment and restructuring are sufficient.

Prasarn also affirmed that there is still enough money in circulation and agreed to the Thai Bankers Association's plan to cut or waive charges for ATM transactions.

He said the reduction or exemption of ATM fees will make it convenient for flood victims to withdraw money when they are away from their areas to escape the flooding.

The governor said the central bank will not make any further assessments on flood impacts and economic damages until the floodwater recedes.

However, he admitted that the floods have hindered economic activities.

The central bank will consider the impact of the flood on production, but will not factor in damage to costly assets whose values are difficult to be appraised.

The Monetary Policy Committee will continue to monitor the situation and reassess the impact at its next meeting scheduled for November 30.

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-- Tan Network 2011-11-03

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Democrat spokesman Chavanond Intarakomalsut called on the government to focus on the immediate task of tackling ongoing flood problems rather than a mega-project for the future.

Good to see there is at least some rational thought in Parliament.

Yingluck's, "A study was still needed to determine the project's details and required budget" and then proposing nearly a Trillion Baht for the unstudied "New Thailand Project" certainly isn't.

Yingluck spoke at a news conference today regarding the rehabilitation plan. She mentioned forming two committees to study the project... so it seems like it's a go now for spending the near trillion baht project (whatever it is).

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They also don't want any difficult questions from the opposition.

Pheu Thai urges Democrats to pass Budget Bill

The Nation

The Democrats should play a contructive role in order to push for a speedy passage of the 2012 Budget Bill in the face of the flood crisis, Pheu Thai spokesman Prompong Nopparit said on Tuesday.

The budget debate is scheduled for Wednesday and Thursday followed by a vote on the first reading of the bill.

"I call on the opposition MPs to deliberate on the Budget Bill in the constructive manner instead of playing politics," Prompong said.

He said the opposition should not turn the budget debate into a blame game to discredit the government on flood control.

Various opinion polls indicated that the people wanted to see the government and the opposition working together to overcome the flooding, he said.

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-- The Nation 2011-11-08

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