Bangkok Governor Blamed On Flooding Mismanagement

[h90]

Of course they're blaming him! They after all need to divert the blame from their boss's sister. What a bunch of scumbags. When this crisis is over, I just can't wait for the Army to swoop in.

Most astute gl555 however don't think we will need to wait for the crisis to be over before the army moves. I wouldn't be surprised if this whole flood is just a great entry point for the army to assume rule under a state of emergency.

This whole flood scenraio will be more than just a natural disaster before this is all over

There won't be a SOE. There won't be a coup ...

... yet.

But, IMO, a coup would be the worst thing for Thailand now.

No the worst thing would be this government continues, pardon big brother, so he can come back and continue his dictatorship

[hanuman1]

Funny you should mention Rajprasong. As I recall, no one died the last time the Army swooped in to get rid of big brother. No buildings were burned down. Can you say the same when the Red Shirts tried to overthrow the government last year? The pro Reds on this forum are sooooo credible!

Of course they're blaming him! They after all need to divert the blame from their boss's sister. What a bunch of scumbags. When this crisis is over, I just can't wait for the Army to swoop in.

Advocating the illegal seizure of power through the threat of violence? You sound like Nattawut and Jatuporn on the red stage at Rajprasong. And in doing so, you make your rabidly anti-gov/red/Thaksin rants elsewhere on this forum look even less credible than they do at first, second and thirty-seventh glance.

I'm not saying the 'pro-reds' are any more or less credible.

I'm saying the more fanatical elements on either side - of which you are a part with your calls for criminal activity - are less credible as sources of pertinent (never mind balanced) opinion.

[sparebox2]

I was told it would be impossible to remove the Governor based on his bloodline/family connections.......more likely the government would be removed before the Governor.

Interesting little power struggle going on......

Before YS does anything, it is worth to check who is the grand-father of the current Governor.

[gl555]

Like someone else said, it's not criminal if its successful. And if anything, the mismangement of this crisis is really criminal.

Funny you should mention Rajprasong. As I recall, no one died the last time the Army swooped in to get rid of big brother. No buildings were burned down. Can you say the same when the Red Shirts tried to overthrow the government last year? The pro Reds on this forum are sooooo credible!

Of course they're blaming him! They after all need to divert the blame from their boss's sister. What a bunch of scumbags. When this crisis is over, I just can't wait for the Army to swoop in.

Advocating the illegal seizure of power through the threat of violence? You sound like Nattawut and Jatuporn on the red stage at Rajprasong. And in doing so, you make your rabidly anti-gov/red/Thaksin rants elsewhere on this forum look even less credible than they do at first, second and thirty-seventh glance.

I'm not saying the 'pro-reds' are any more or less credible.

I'm saying the more fanatical elements on either side - of which you are a part with your calls for criminal activity - are less credible as sources of pertinent (never mind balanced) opinion.

[hanuman1]

Like someone else said, it's not criminal if its successful. And if anything, the mismangement of this crisis is really criminal.

Funny you should mention Rajprasong. As I recall, no one died the last time the Army swooped in to get rid of big brother. No buildings were burned down. Can you say the same when the Red Shirts tried to overthrow the government last year? The pro Reds on this forum are sooooo credible!

Advocating the illegal seizure of power through the threat of violence? You sound like Nattawut and Jatuporn on the red stage at Rajprasong. And in doing so, you make your rabidly anti-gov/red/Thaksin rants elsewhere on this forum look even less credible than they do at first, second and thirty-seventh glance.

I'm not saying the 'pro-reds' are any more or less credible.

I'm saying the more fanatical elements on either side - of which you are a part with your calls for criminal activity - are less credible as sources of pertinent (never mind balanced) opinion.

Oh, okay, I see the reason for our misunderstanding. When I mentioned criminality - as in the coup you are calling for - I was referring to the laws of Thailand. When you mention criminality:

"

- it's not criminal if its successful

- the mismangement of this crisis is really criminal

"

you are referring to....what standards, exactly?

[sjaak327]

Always highly entertaining to read comments advocating a coup, which by defenition is always illegal and unconstitutional, not to mention highly undemocratic. Comments made by people who are merely guests in this country. It is clear to me that the current government isn't the only one failing here, the actions of the bma are equally poor or probably more so. Their reluctance to drain as much as possible not only prolongs the suffering upstream, it is now also turning bkk into an expanding swimming pool. The level of saen saeb speaks volumes, or are they now sacrifying bangkapi?

[whybother]

Always highly entertaining to read comments advocating a coup, which by defenition is always illegal and unconstitutional, not to mention highly undemocratic. Comments made by people who are merely guests in this country. It is clear to me that the current government isn't the only one failing here, the actions of the bma are equally poor or probably more so. Their reluctance to drain as much as possible not only prolongs the suffering upstream, it is now also turning bkk into an expanding swimming pool. The level of saen saeb speaks volumes, or are they now sacrifying bangkapi?

Ummm ... Bangkok is flooding ... don't you think they would be trying to drain as much of that as possible?

Obviously, the Bangkok klongs are unable to drain much of the flood water, otherwise it wouldn't currently be flooding.

[hammered]

Easy arguement for PTP to sell in the areas that support them

[whybother]

Easy arguement for PTP to sell in the areas that support them

Yep. The areas that support them don't really care much about facts.

[OzMick]

Always highly entertaining to read comments advocating a coup, which by defenition is always illegal and unconstitutional, not to mention highly undemocratic. Comments made by people who are merely guests in this country. It is clear to me that the current government isn't the only one failing here, the actions of the bma are equally poor or probably more so. Their reluctance to drain as much as possible not only prolongs the suffering upstream, it is now also turning bkk into an expanding swimming pool. The level of saen saeb speaks volumes, or are they now sacrifying bangkapi?

Always? - the first coup brought democracy to Thailand, the last removed a would-be dictator, and his return will probably trigger the next. Hopefully they will have learnt a lesson about misplaced compassion.

[sjaak327]

Always highly entertaining to read comments advocating a coup, which by defenition is always illegal and unconstitutional, not to mention highly undemocratic. Comments made by people who are merely guests in this country. It is clear to me that the current government isn't the only one failing here, the actions of the bma are equally poor or probably more so. Their reluctance to drain as much as possible not only prolongs the suffering upstream, it is now also turning bkk into an expanding swimming pool. The level of saen saeb speaks volumes, or are they now sacrifying bangkapi?

Ummm ... Bangkok is flooding ... don't you think they would be trying to drain as much of that as possible?

Obviously, the Bangkok klongs are unable to drain much of the flood water, otherwise it wouldn't currently be flooding.

I am aware bkk is flooding as I am currently there, saen saeb's water level is surprisingly low, both at pratunam and at ekamai.

[gl555]

There is no misunderstanding. The laws of Thailand are amended frequently to suit whomever is in power.

As for the mismanagement of this crisis, I think the results speak for themselves.

Oh, okay, I see the reason for our misunderstanding. When I mentioned criminality - as in the coup you are calling for - I was referring to the laws of Thailand. When you mention criminality:

"

- it's not criminal if its successful

- the mismangement of this crisis is really criminal

"

you are referring to....what standards, exactly?

[Buchholz]

Furthermore, Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yubamrung commented that the Interior Ministry can exercise its authority to discharge the Bangkok Governor owing to his inefficiency.

the invisible one returns from oblivion to chastise others for their inefficiency???

Spot on!

Mr. Happy Toilet for Governor!

.

[whybother]

Ummm ... Bangkok is flooding ... don't you think they would be trying to drain as much of that as possible?

Obviously, the Bangkok klongs are unable to drain much of the flood water, otherwise it wouldn't currently be flooding.

I am aware bkk is flooding as I am currently there, saen saeb's water level is surprisingly low, both at pratunam and at ekamai.

And a few kilometres down the klong it is threatening to overflow and flood Bang Chan industrial estate.

It is also one of the last drainage defenses before the water coming down Vipivhardi-Rangsit and from Lad Phrao gets to central Bangkok.

[ARGUSEYE]

--Quote-- "Members of the Pheu Thai Party meeting yesterday threatened to discharge the Bangkok Governor for failing to handle the flood crisis effectively." - - unquote

So, according to this headline, in Thailand members of the ruling party can just "DISCHARGE" the governor of the most important province.

Is that true?? What kind of a constitution is that?? Isn't he an elected man in his province??

Can somebody help me here?

Edited November 9, 2011 by metisdead
Bold font removed.

[bkkjames]

--quote-- "Members of the Pheu Thai Party meeting yesterday threatened to discharge the Bangkok Governor for failing to handle the flood crisis effectively." - - unquote

So, according to this headline, in Thailand members of the ruling party can just "DISCHARGE" the governor of the most important province.

Is that true?? What kind of a constitution is that?? Isn't he an elected man in his province??

Can somebody help me here?

I think (but could be wrong) a bunch of them will show up at the BMA office and start protesting?

[sjaak327]

There is no misunderstanding. The laws of Thailand are amended frequently to suit whomever is in power.

As for the mismanagement of this crisis, I think the results speak for themselves.

Oh, okay, I see the reason for our misunderstanding. When I mentioned criminality - as in the coup you are calling for - I was referring to the laws of Thailand. When you mention criminality:

"

- it's not criminal if its successful

- the mismangement of this crisis is really criminal

"

you are referring to....what standards, exactly?

Of course, if the army abolishes the constitution it is not criminal, as opposed to trying to amend the constitution by an elected government, and in accordance by that same constitution.

[givenall]

Pass the buck, can imagine if a former Gov was in charge of it how it would be going?

We need someone like Jon Stewart here to go and show all thevideo from PM showing how stupide she or her decisions as well as her saying “IAm Sorry” .

But again, Thai people how elected her probably don’t wantto lose face fo electing incompetent government

[whybother]

--quote-- "Members of the Pheu Thai Party meeting yesterday threatened to discharge the Bangkok Governor for failing to handle the flood crisis effectively." - - unquote

So, according to this headline, in Thailand members of the ruling party can just "DISCHARGE" the governor of the most important province.

Is that true?? What kind of a constitution is that?? Isn't he an elected man in his province??

Can somebody help me here?

In Australia, elected local (district) council's can be sacked by the State government.

Bangkok is the only "province" that has an elected governor, so it is possible that the laws allow for the country's government to sack the Bangkok governor.

I would think they would need to find some pretty damning evidence to sack a democratically elected official though.

[aaacorp]

Always highly entertaining to read comments advocating a coup, which by defenition is always illegal and unconstitutional, not to mention highly undemocratic. Comments made by people who are merely guests in this country. It is clear to me that the current government isn't the only one failing here, the actions of the bma are equally poor or probably more so. Their reluctance to drain as much as possible not only prolongs the suffering upstream, it is now also turning bkk into an expanding swimming pool. The level of saen saeb speaks volumes, or are they now sacrifying bangkapi?

Always? - the first coup brought democracy to Thailand, the last removed a would-be dictator, and his return will probably trigger the next. Hopefully they will have learnt a lesson about misplaced compassion.

What a joke! If there is a next coup it won t be bloodless...the last coup may have removed the woudl be dictator but was far from brought the democracy

[Crushdepth]

Of course they're blaming him! They after all need to divert the blame from their boss's sister. What a bunch of scumbags. When this crisis is over, I just can't wait for the Army to swoop in.

Advocating the illegal seizure of power through the threat of violence? You sound likte Nattawut and Jatuporn on the red stage at Rajprasong. And in doing so, you make your rabidly anti-gov/red/Thaksin rants elsewhere on this forum look even less credible than they do at first, second and thirty-seventh glance.

Now there are 500 people dead. How many people must die because of this crazy government until a coup is justified?

(by the way a coup is only illegal if it is unsuccessful.)

The government isnt going to be removed for being incompetent, and there is no popular support for a coup at the moment. If one eventuates it wil be after/because Mr T. returns and resumes trying to turn Thailand into a dictatorship. He's made some progress already with the installation of relatives into key positions such as PM, Justice Minister, Chief of Police but he has to wind up the wanton abuse of power before he starts aggravating the populace enough to build support to throw him out again.

[Babcock]

Always highly entertaining to read comments advocating a coup, which by defenition is always illegal and unconstitutional, not to mention highly undemocratic. Comments made by people who are merely guests in this country. It is clear to me that the current government isn't the only one failing here, the actions of the bma are equally poor or probably more so. Their reluctance to drain as much as possible not only prolongs the suffering upstream, it is now also turning bkk into an expanding swimming pool. The level of saen saeb speaks volumes, or are they now sacrifying bangkapi?

Ummm ... Bangkok is flooding ... don't you think they would be trying to drain as much of that as possible?

Obviously, the Bangkok klongs are unable to drain much of the flood water, otherwise it wouldn't currently be flooding.

They were explaining on channel 3 last night that they are reluctant to allow the run-off from the north into San Saeb as they fear this would overflow and could lead to the flooding of Sukhumvit, Silom etc. Phra Kanong near us is low and unmoving. They're using an underround tunnel over to the west to release the water.

[MengWan]

Finally, beside the (boring) blame-game, did Bangkok get their pumps or not ?

[siampolee]

Furthermore, Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yubamrung commented that the Interior Ministry can exercise its authority to discharge the Bangkok Governor owing to his inefficiency.

One can but only presume that the deputy P.M who has been conspicuous by his absence during the current crisis was looking in the mirror and was actually quoting from a missive he had received saying that which had been said to him concerning his inactivity and his removal from his inactive post..

Edited November 9, 2011 by metisdead

[Buchholz]

--Quote-- "Members of the Pheu Thai Party meeting yesterday threatened to discharge the Bangkok Governor for failing to handle the flood crisis effectively." - - unquote

So, according to this headline, in Thailand members of the ruling party can just "DISCHARGE" the governor of the most important province.

Is that true?? What kind of a constitution is that?? Isn't he an elected man in his province??

Can somebody help me here?

The administration of Bangkok does not fall under the constitution.

It would seem the Interior Minister does have the authority to do so under the Bangkok Metropolis Organisation Act of 2528 (1985).

.

Edited November 9, 2011 by Buchholz

[DocN]

Always highly entertaining to read comments advocating a coup, which by defenition is always illegal and unconstitutional, not to mention highly undemocratic. Comments made by people who are merely guests in this country. It is clear to me that the current government isn't the only one failing here, the actions of the bma are equally poor or probably more so. Their reluctance to drain as much as possible not only prolongs the suffering upstream, it is now also turning bkk into an expanding swimming pool. The level of saen saeb speaks volumes, or are they now sacrifying bangkapi?

Always? - the first coup brought democracy to Thailand, the last removed a would-be dictator, and his return will probably trigger the next. Hopefully they will have learnt a lesson about misplaced compassion.

Yes! Always! Just because you somehow like the outcome of a specific action, doesn't make that action legal!

...or good! ...or right!

[473geo]

Simple problem management in most Western countries:

1. Identify problem
2. Find Fix or workaround for problem
3. Implement fix or workaround
4. Define how to prevent problem happening again

Problem management Asian style:

1. Find someone to blame
2. Hope problem goes away

I guess I am seeing a lot of posts on this forum from asians...........all apportioning blame, and very little, if any effort, allocated to the four problem management ideals you place in the 'westerners' camp........didn't realise we had so many asian members

[h90]

Of course they're blaming him! They after all need to divert the blame from their boss's sister. What a bunch of scumbags. When this crisis is over, I just can't wait for the Army to swoop in.

Advocating the illegal seizure of power through the threat of violence? You sound likte Nattawut and Jatuporn on the red stage at Rajprasong. And in doing so, you make your rabidly anti-gov/red/Thaksin rants elsewhere on this forum look even less credible than they do at first, second and thirty-seventh glance.

Now there are 500 people dead. How many people must die because of this crazy government until a coup is justified?

(by the way a coup is only illegal if it is unsuccessful.)

The government isnt going to be removed for being incompetent, and there is no popular support for a coup at the moment. If one eventuates it wil be after/because Mr T. returns and resumes trying to turn Thailand into a dictatorship. He's made some progress already with the installation of relatives into key positions such as PM, Justice Minister, Chief of Police but he has to wind up the wanton abuse of power before he starts aggravating the populace enough to build support to throw him out again.

Well the people in Bangkok are already upset. I don't know what more to come: unemployment, diseases? But you are right, it is not a real trigger. If there are demonstrations and violence on the street, even relative small scale it might be enough. Lets wait and see.....

[OzMick]

Always highly entertaining to read comments advocating a coup, which by defenition is always illegal and unconstitutional, not to mention highly undemocratic. Comments made by people who are merely guests in this country. It is clear to me that the current government isn't the only one failing here, the actions of the bma are equally poor or probably more so. Their reluctance to drain as much as possible not only prolongs the suffering upstream, it is now also turning bkk into an expanding swimming pool. The level of saen saeb speaks volumes, or are they now sacrifying bangkapi?

Always? - the first coup brought democracy to Thailand, the last removed a would-be dictator, and his return will probably trigger the next. Hopefully they will have learnt a lesson about misplaced compassion.

What a joke! If there is a next coup it won t be bloodless...the last coup may have removed the woudl be dictator but was far from brought the democracy

I agree that the major mistake was that they didn't shoot the mongrel.

[Babcock]

Always highly entertaining to read comments advocating a coup, which by defenition is always illegal and unconstitutional, not to mention highly undemocratic. Comments made by people who are merely guests in this country. It is clear to me that the current government isn't the only one failing here, the actions of the bma are equally poor or probably more so. Their reluctance to drain as much as possible not only prolongs the suffering upstream, it is now also turning bkk into an expanding swimming pool. The level of saen saeb speaks volumes, or are they now sacrifying bangkapi?

Always? - the first coup brought democracy to Thailand, the last removed a would-be dictator, and his return will probably trigger the next. Hopefully they will have learnt a lesson about misplaced compassion.

Yeah Pridi Banomyong. Let's name Thailand's hero falsely accused by Seni and banished after the death of well guess. He stood against the japanese. Thailand's lamentable history. On the one hand the militarists, the pro nazi. pro japanese empire; those for whom Thailand can never be ready for democracy. Those for whom the people are well just not educated enough and ranged against them perhaps some who wish to see real change, real democracy like Pridi.

That was way back then but I get the feelig a lot of the posters on here are stuck in the 1970's or maybe the 1980's, perhaps since when they arrived. Anti Blair. Anti Bush. Anti socialist. Anti communist. Pro the tea party. Such values.Expat and out of touch. The vitriol says it all. They haven't observed the Banking catastrophe and then the Arab spring this last year. Certainly they're not interested. The capitalist system on the rack. The corruption at the heart of the banking system. Corruption. What happened to the 160 billion baht flood relief program over the last 4 years? Where did the money go? I found coming here an eye opener. A challenge to my received wisdom. The problem the democrats have is they can't tailor their policies to appeal to the people as it goes agaist their vested interests leaving a clear field for Thaksin or whoever else. It took a hundred years for democracy to take root in europe. We're notionally 60 years down the track here but this is asia.