Red Shirts Stage Anti-Coup Rally In Khao Yai

[blows]

Nuremberg Rallies of the 1930s?

SA marschiert (walks for Hitler)

or even '1984 Apple's Macintosh Commercial'

[lungmi]

It's 5 1/2 years after the September-2006 coup, this is the third TRT/PPP/PTP-government to run the country after the military returned power to the electorate...

Why the talk of reducing the judiciary's independence,

You answer your own question in a way.It's quite clear that many millions of Thai do not really regard the judiciary as independent and indeed prone, on direction , to political meddling when the nation's choice doesn't meet the agreement of powerful unelected elites.It is now widely accepted that the military coup approach is counterproductive (though in my opinion the sheer boneheadedness of some senior generals is difficult to underestimate).Therefore the reds are understandably nervous about more frivolous judicial solutions (let's call it the TV cooking syndrome).Actually I think their fears are misplaced and in any case its more likely Thai style a deal will be stitched up behind the scenes.Shades of the final chapter of Animal Farm.

Many Thai regard the judiciary as not independent, they learn from Thaksin (2001)

Italien people took longtime to understand Berlustconi, now they kicked him out.

Thai people will kick out Thaksin, it will take more time.. PPT MP's already think about.

[phiphidon]

Have they finished yet?

[CalgaryII]

Red Shirts stage anti-coup rally in khao Yai, #1^

• More than 10,000 people had arrived at the venue before dusk. Police Major General Phanu Kerdlarpphol, head of Region 3 police, said 500 officers had been deployed for the concert.
  

Awright, lets play the numbers game.

A favorite trick of oppositional attempts to diminish red Shirt events, is to do the above.

Quote a partial figure, innocently claiming that it is at the outset. As if newsies are eager to report, and are already doing so as "people begin to gather".

But the intent is actually to fixate a low number in people's mind, and has nothing to do with reporting "at the outset of the event"

So how many people were at the Red Shirt event in Khao Yai, from which I returned home around 5:30 AM?

It is difficult estimating numbers, just based on what is in front of the stage. Huge numbers are wandering the grounds at the same time.

In front of the stage, people were gathered shoulder-to-shoulder in a semi-circle. From the back periphery of the semi-circle to the stage was around 500 meters, or 1/2 a kilometer. Add to that all those wandering the site, or those sitting by their personal encampments at their tents.

Another physical feature were the screen relay's outward from the stage. There were five layers of them spreading outward.

So what does all this mean?

It means a guestimate of 300,000.

Perhaps 300,000 is on the high side, but eliminate from your thinking the 10,000 figure from above quote.

Edited February 26, 2012 by CalgaryII

[lungmi]

Have they finished yet?

To finish something in Thailand takes time. I'm confident.

[CalgaryII]

Nuremberg Rallies of the 1930s?

No, a rally to put on notice, anyone out there playing with the coup notion.

A rally of mainstream Thai people who have recently elected a government, which previously has been 'couped' from them.

That was before they organized.

Different ball game now, and everyone should so be informed.

Edited February 26, 2012 by CalgaryII

[tlansford]

Nuremberg Rallies of the 1930s?

my guess is that the music is much better in Khao Yai

[CalgaryII]

How many did Jatuporn claiom would turn up - 100'000 + ?

I think he tripled that.

But those who wish to quible with this, maybe less....but not by much.

[lungmi]

Red Shirts stage anti-coup rally in khao Yai, #1^

• More than 10,000 people had arrived at the venue before dusk. Police Major General Phanu Kerdlarpphol, head of Region 3 police, said 500 officers had been deployed for the concert.
  

Awright, lets play the numbers game.

A favorite trick of oppositional attempts to diminish red Shirt events, is to do the above.

Quote a partial figure, innocently claiming that it is at the outset. As if newsies are eager to report, and are already doing so as "people begin to gather".

But the intent is actually to fixate a low number in people's mind, and has nothing to do with reporting "at the outset of the event"

So how many people were at the Red Shirt event in Khao Yai, from which I returned home around 5:30 AM?

It is difficult estimating numbers, just based on what is in front of the stage. Huge numbers are wandering the grounds at the same time.

In front of the stage, people were gathered shoulder-to-shoulder in a semi-circle. From the back periphery of the semi-circle to the stage was around 500 meters, or 1/2 a kilometer. Add to that all those wandsering the site, or those sitting by their personal encampments at their tents.

Another physical feature were the screen relay's outward from the stage. There were five layers of them spreading outward.

So what does all this mean?

It means a guestimate of 300,000.

Perhaps 300,000 is on the high side, but eliminate from your thinking the 10,000 figure from above quote.

May be 1 million fight for their government, or against. When they fight against dictatorship of Thaksin I agree.

But I scare they don't know for what they fight.

[CalgaryII]

They may just as well organize an Anti-Burmese Kingdom invasion rally.

Huh?

[blows]

This country is rapidly becoming like a communist state. Where all are created equal but some are more equal than others.

Very sad that most of these red supporters can't see the bigger picture Toxsin has in store for them.

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Exactly, 'meet the new boss, same as the old boss', it is just about executing the current elite and replacing them with their elite, while the Thai majority still remain slaves.

[Reasonableman]

Good Heavens, perish be the thought!

This country is rapidly becoming like a communist state. Where all are created equal but some are more equal than others.

Very sad that most of these red supporters can't see the bigger picture Toxsin has in store for them.

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Exactly, 'meet the new boss, same as the old boss', it is just about executing the current elite and replacing them with their elite, while the Thai majority still remain slaves.

[tlansford]

How is it a coup, when it is removing someone illegally occupying the office of PM?

A coup d'état (English: /ˌkuːdeɪˈtɑː/, French: [ku deta]; plural: coups d'état; translation: strike (against the) state, literally: strike/blow of state)—also known as a coup, putsch,and overthrow—is the sudden, illegal deposition of a government,[1][2][3][4] usually by a small group of the existing state establishment—typically the military—to replace the deposed government with another body; either civil or military.

Seems to fit.

Funny how the last one was 1 month before elections, don't you think?

[blows]

How is it a coup, when it is removing someone illegally occupying the office of PM?

A coup d'état (English: /ˌkuːdeɪˈtɑː/, French: [ku deta]; plural: coups d'état; translation: strike (against the) state, literally: strike/blow of state)—also known as a coup, putsch,and overthrow—is the sudden, illegal deposition of a government,[1][2][3][4] usually by a small group of the existing state establishment—typically the military—to replace the deposed government with another body; either civil or military.

Seems to fit.

Funny how the last one was 1 month before elections, don't you think?

So you are admitting he was already deposed, which he would be since he was no longer in office legally. Who better to remove a political dictator than the military sworn to uphold the law.

[TackyToo]

I just had a look at the crystal ball. It says: Same Same but slightly different:

Same venue in August 2012, after mandatory alcohol- urine- and IQ testing

[CalgaryII]

Why do Red Shirt supporters fall for this style of brain-washing! It makes them look like a crowd of zombie's chanting the name of some god they worship...the God Thaksin.

I thought about this.

I mean the vociforous anti-Red Shirt opinionating as above.

The above one trying to reduce the Political awareness of these people to be one of association, lacking any sort of broad political self-interests. Other denigrating opinionating focusses on arrogant and contemptuously claiming their intellectual limitations, and by inference Oppositional conceit and exaggerated self-opinion.

In a nutshell, a fellow Poster previously summed them up as follows:

Tlansford, #458

"When I have through red Shirt protests, the protests were (1) huge, (2) peaceful, & (3) filled with a wide cross-section of Thai society".

That pretty well describes what I observed yesterday, and at every other rally I have attended.

But then I read these gross misrepresenting characterizations of Red Shirt by some people, and have come to the following conclusions:

1. They are from people who have never been near a RS rally, never had a meaningful interaction with them outside some accidental encounters with a stray RS here or there.
   
2. What they are in fact doing is Parroting what the enemies of the Red Shirt have told them, the Opposition, coupists.
   
3. But this parrotting has two types, the innocnet ones, and the devious ones:
   
   • The innocent parroting is done by those who will read a denigrating version, have other Posters reiterate that stuff, and have no alternative perspectives. They think it must be so.
     
   • The devious ones however, have an agenda of slandering and villifying the Red Shirts. Especially coupists whose only opposition came from these same Red Shirts, which they in turn vengefully and viciously attacked in order to protect their coup.
     

So having experienced these people up close and personal, Tlansfords description above fits the reality to a 'T', and will assign the Parroters parroting to its source, with some understanding of the innocent parroters.

BTW, to show how this Electoral majority political block concur's with their leaders constant vigilance to behind-the-scenes coupist activities, the huge backdrop sign on the stage showed a large hand in the stop mode, with the words "stop Coup".

These people are focussed.

Edited February 26, 2012 by CalgaryII

[phiphidon]

Nuremberg Rallies of the 1930s?

my guess is that the music is much better in Khao Yai

But the food and music was excellent at the Airport seizures, I hear.

[phiphidon]

Have they finished yet?

To finish something in Thailand takes time. I'm confident.

I meant the whiners.

[CalgaryII]

Thida said it was the first red-shirt rally since she officially took the position of chairperson, so she would announce proactive fighting plans for the group over the next two years.

Fighting plans. Let me think. Would this include molotov cocktails, AK47, RPG, splashing blood on people's residence that don't support them, random illegal roadblocks stopping and searching vehicles, invading hospitals, burning shopping centers and city halls, burning city buses, parking an LPG tanker truck in a residential area threatening to blow it up? I guess we will just have to wait and see what the official chairperson comes up with.

Some of this stuff is an exaggeration, and some of the actions described are in dispute, with the Coupist armed aggressors violently creating the worst kind of havoc to discredit those who stood up to them.

For the rest of it, describing Protest activities as some sort of anarchic, anti-social outpouring, keep in mind protesters do such things. That is called 'protesting"

The last election totally validated their reasons for protesting. They knew they were the electoral majority being deprived of governance by an electoral minority.

Standing up to coupists is honorable.....coupists are dishonorable.

I dont buy into the following:

Anti-coup molotive cocktail thrower -- bad

Pro-coup gunmen --- good

The latter precipitated the former.

Edited February 26, 2012 by CalgaryII

[Jimi007]

Thida said it was the first red-shirt rally since she officially took the position of chairperson, so she would announce proactive fighting plans for the group over the next two years.

Fighting plans. Let me think. Would this include molotov cocktails, AK47, RPG, splashing blood on people's residence that don't support them, random illegal roadblocks stopping and searching vehicles, invading hospitals, burning shopping centers and city halls, burning city buses, parking an LPG tanker truck in a residential area threatening to blow it up? I guess we will just have to wait and see what the official chairperson comes up with.

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The last election totally validated their reasons for protesting. They knew they were the electoral majority being deprived of governance by an electoral minority.

<snip>

Yes a 53% majority... Is that a total validation?

[CalgaryII]

This country is rapidly becoming like a communist state. Where all are created equal but some are more equal than others.

Very sad that most of these red supporters can't see the bigger picture Toxsin has in store for them.

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Denigrating this mainstream Political Movement who elected the previous Govt. as being short of political acumen, is not right.

For the minority to try and deny them political space backfires totally.

Who is on the political sideline?

Coming off their arrogant contemptuous political highorse and becoming politically inclusive, would serve their self-righteous interests much better.

But this seems to be beyond them, and on the sidelines they remain.

Can you imagine the furor would have been created if Oppositional elements had been able to muster a gathering of this size?

The coupists would be demanding their armed element to deliver the country to them.......again.

[ballpoint]

Well at least we know where the contents of the stolen excrement truck got to. Ferwert and friends are spreading it over the forum.

[ScouseTommy]

This country is rapidly becoming like a communist state. Where all are created equal but some are more equal than others.

Very sad that most of these red supporters can't see the bigger picture Toxsin has in store for them.

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Denigrating this mainstream Political Movement who elected the previous Govt. as being short of political acumen, is not right.

For the minority to try and deny them political space backfires totally.

Who is on the political sideline?

Coming off their arrogant contemptuous political highorse and becoming politically inclusive, would serve their self-righteous interests much better.

But this seems to be beyond them, and on the sidelines they remain.

Can you imagine the furor would have been created if Oppositional elements had been able to muster a gathering of this size?

The coupists would be demanding their armed element to deliver the country to them.......again.

I take it you are a die hard red shirt supporter then? I also take it nothing we can say, no matter how fair minded, will stop you from promoting one side unconditionally, whilst labelling everyone else coupists? Everyone has a right to there own beliefs. However an intelligent and fair minded person can also stand up and admit that his side are not perfect. I can, can you?

[AleG]

This country is rapidly becoming like a communist state. Where all are created equal but some are more equal than others.

Very sad that most of these red supporters can't see the bigger picture Toxsin has in store for them.

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Exactly, 'meet the new boss, same as the old boss', it is just about executing the current elite and replacing them with their elite, while the Thai majority still remain slaves.

Some months ago I took the time to translate a short text that deals with that issue:

"If the people are not educated, if their rights are not explained, if every man does not know his own worth, what he is capable of and what is owed to him, new illusions will succeed the old ones, and after faltering for some time amid a thousand uncertainties, it may come to be that our fortune will be to replace tyrants without destroying tyranny."

Prologue of Mariano Moreno to Rousseau's "The Social Contract"

If the Calgaryll, as UDD/PTP/Thaksin mouthpiece is any indication, is obvious that the movement has no idea of what Democracy entails. They are under Thaksin & Co. perception management spell, thoroughly isolated in their Red Bubble kept angry and scared so as to be more easily manipulated. Fomenting paranoia and divisions in society.

[blows]

Thida said it was the first red-shirt rally since she officially took the position of chairperson, so she would announce proactive fighting plans for the group over the next two years.

Fighting plans. Let me think. Would this include molotov cocktails, AK47, RPG, splashing blood on people's residence that don't support them, random illegal roadblocks stopping and searching vehicles, invading hospitals, burning shopping centers and city halls, burning city buses, parking an LPG tanker truck in a residential area threatening to blow it up? I guess we will just have to wait and see what the official chairperson comes up with.

Some of this stuff is an exaggeration, and some of the actions described are in dispute, with the Coupist armed aggressors violently creating the worst kind of havoc to discredit those who stood up to them.

For the rest of it, describing Protest activities as some sort of anarchic, anti-social outpouring, keep in mind protesters do such things. That is called 'protesting"

The last election totally validated their reasons for protesting. They knew they were the electoral majority being deprived of governance by an electoral minority.

Standing up to coupists is honorable.....coupists are dishonorable.

I dont buy into the following:

Anti-coup molotive cocktail thrower -- bad

Pro-coup gunmen --- good

The latter precipitated the former.

[The last election totally validated their reasons for protesting. They knew they were the electoral majority being deprived of governance by an electoral minority.]

The last election validated that the MAJORITY of the Thai people did NOT vote RED SHIRT.

[AleG]

[The last election totally validated their reasons for protesting. They knew they were the electoral majority being deprived of governance by an electoral minority.]

The last election validated that the MAJORITY of the Thai people did NOT vote RED SHIRT.

The numbers I've seen say that about 17% of the Thai population identifies as being Red Shirt.

[CalgaryII]

Ricardo, #11

It's 5 1/2 years after the September-2006 coup, this is the third TRT/PPP/PTP-government to run the country after the military returned power to the electorate, and yet it's still necessary to hold an Anti-Coup Rally ?

Returned power to the electorate? last years election effectively does away with that bit of 'history torturing".

With the Oppositions continuing running to the judges with coupist intentions, anti-coup rallies are very necessary. Apparently 300,000 people yesterday think so.

The judges things is only one indicator. Trying to preserve their coup-constitution filled with their coup-bomblets against reform, is another powerful indicator.

'Is this really the way to encourage reconciliation,"

Forget about reconciliation. It is a hollow concept, as long as R'song murder perps are not brought to account.

Elections will sort things out.

The CDA will now be working on amendments to the 2007-Constitution, if there are faults then that is the place to raise them,

Bringing some 'oomF' to those discussions with a clear indication of majority voter block sentiments, diminishes coupists space to obstruct and obfuscate.

What's absolutely essential IMO is that, as with the 2007-version, any new Constitution is ratified by the people directly, in a Referendum.

This will occur, but with validity this time. It will not be a referendum conducted under the auspices of an unelected coupist administration.

Any attempt to claim that the July-2011 election, whose result was based upon undeliverable 'pre-election promises' as well as any reaction to the violence of previous years, somehow gives Parliament the right to steam-roller over the result of the promised-Referendum, or to allow Thaksin's return from self-exile scot-free, would be about as undemocratic as you could get.

>Undeliverable elction promises?....Voters will render their judgment around three years from now.

>Reaction to violenec of previous years?.........The coupists are on notice not to try that trick again.

>Right of Parliament to steamroller.......A right granted by electoral victories in Thailand's form of Government, as opposed the the gridlock USA model. The next election witll give voters a chance to render judgement on the actions of the Government. Overiding minority Oppositional stuff is a given, and is not 'steamrolling"

>Thaksin's return from self-exile......cannot be prevented by those who forced such a self-exile. Criminalizing those who win too many elections is seen for what it is, albeit not by the Oppositional choir.

All of the above is Democratic.

Meanwhile one hopes that the people enjoyed their 'concert-in-the-park' !

Absolutely. But to the chagrin of the Opposition and coupists......a concert with biting political intentions.

There is a strong bond between these people that would rival any other political movement anywhere. Evidence is the massive turnout.

A bond that even allows them to uncritically clap along with Jatuporn's god-awful singing. If there is anything unique about Thai political gatherings of this sort, is the sprinkling throughout headline speakers speeches with singing interludes. Ya wouldn't experience that anywhere else I think

Edited February 26, 2012 by CalgaryII

[CalgaryII]

"Only mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the noonday sun."

dam_n it was hot.

[CalgaryII]

How many did Jatuporn claiom would turn up - 100'000 + ?

Maybe they weren't paying out enough.

What good is money if you can't buy democracy with it?

To reduce the motivations of these people to attend an event of this magnitude to money and not political awareness and objectives, is some more conceited, arrogant ipinionating by Oppositional elements. Who claim unto themselves as being the only purveyors of pure and valid political thinking.

And such arrogance rightfully puts them on the sidelines

[OzMick]

"Only mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the noonday sun."

dam_n it was hot.

I assumed that you were Canadian.