War On Drugs Becoming Regional Agenda: Chalerm

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War on drugs becoming regional agenda

BANGKOK, 31 March 2012 (NNT) - Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yubumrung has declared that the government’s fight on drugs will be promoted from the national level to a regional agenda as it requires international partnership to deal with the issue.

On 29 March, Deputy PM Chalerm, in his capacity as director of the National Center of Illicit Drugs Prevention and Suppression, chaired the meeting on Thailand’s partnership with international associations to find solutions to the problem of narcotics drugs. The meeting was attended by representatives of various domestic and international organizations.

Mr.Chalerm said integration of work and cooperation from all sectors in a systematic manner were integral to successful operations against drugs. Thailand planned cooperation with neighboring countries in suppressing narcotics production, trade and smuggling. The country has also set a target to form a regional anti-drug alliance, he added.

-- NNT 2012-03-31

[hellodolly]

Ya right Thailand is going to send there army in to Burma to stop the growing of poppies and Burma is going to send there army into Thailand to stop the distribution of drugs.

In other words there 80% reduction on drug abuse has failed.

Some of the biggest suppliers of the ingredients here in Thailand claim to have lost the pills.

If they really wanted to cut back on drug abuse they will have to set up many treatment center where people can be treated for the disease of addiction rather than like no body's. They will not only have to be treated for addiction but learn to respect them selves and others.

As long as there is a buyer there will be some one to sell them the drugs. As long as there is untouchable drug barons there will be some one to sell the drugs.

Thailand could make a start on cleaning up Thailand by looking at Portugal. They have had some success in working to a solution to the problem. Instead they look to the states and there war on drugs. A war that they are continually loosing. They did better in Viet Nam and we all know how that worked out for them.

[rafval]

these wars on drugs are not wars on drugs at all but just an attempt at monoplising profits, certainly thats the only effect they have ever had.

[MEL1]

Regional can be both interpeted as nationally or internationally.

If Chalerm Rubyourbum-g is proposing that the problem is regionally within Thailand, then that would suggest he will propose the regional areas to be concentrated on. That in return would hide any exposure that people in his immediate domain may possibly have any involvement in drug issues, whether they do or they don't, as those areas would be last on the agenda for investigation whilst all trails are cleared up.

Nice one!

-mel.

[anterian]

Ya right Thailand is going to send there army in to Burma to stop the growing of poppies and Burma is going to send there army into Thailand to stop the distribution of drugs.

In other words there 80% reduction on drug abuse has failed.

Some of the biggest suppliers of the ingredients here in Thailand claim to have lost the pills.

If they really wanted to cut back on drug abuse they will have to set up many treatment center where people can be treated for the disease of addiction rather than like no body's. They will not only have to be treated for addiction but learn to respect them selves and others.

As long as there is a buyer there will be some one to sell them the drugs. As long as there is untouchable drug barons there will be some one to sell the drugs.

Thailand could make a start on cleaning up Thailand by looking at Portugal. They have had some success in working to a solution to the problem. Instead they look to the states and there war on drugs. A war that they are continually loosing. They did better in Viet Nam and we all know how that worked out for them.

According to medical studies amphetamine addiction is worse than drugs like heroin or cocaine. Withdrawal symptoms are more intense and remission more common.

" Of all drug problems, amphetamine addiction has been found to be one of the most difficult types of addiction to treat.

sorry I cannot remove the black background.

http://amphetamine-addiction.com/amphetamine-addiction-withdrawal

[tragickingdom]

Chalerm is a ten times loser. Anyone who declares a war on drugs is a loser anyhow. You cannot win, but Chalerm is the last to care about the ordinary people whose freedom he is about to invade. Chalerm is one of those elitists who buy judges, prosecutors and police. Bet you that his sons were using drugs but of course that is different.

[geriatrickid]

Ya right Thailand is going to send there army in to Burma to stop the growing of poppies and Burma is going to send there army into Thailand to stop the distribution of drugs.

In other words there 80% reduction on drug abuse has failed.

Some of the biggest suppliers of the ingredients here in Thailand claim to have lost the pills.

If they really wanted to cut back on drug abuse they will have to set up many treatment center where people can be treated for the disease of addiction rather than like no body's. They will not only have to be treated for addiction but learn to respect them selves and others.

As long as there is a buyer there will be some one to sell them the drugs. As long as there is untouchable drug barons there will be some one to sell the drugs.

Thailand could make a start on cleaning up Thailand by looking at Portugal. They have had some success in working to a solution to the problem. Instead they look to the states and there war on drugs. A war that they are continually loosing. They did better in Viet Nam and we all know how that worked out for them.

LOL Portugal, is a country teetering on financial collapse and dependent upon EU handouts with a very gloomy future.

Vietnam is a country developing quickly with a relatively stable economy and a bright future.

I'd rather be in a country where there is hope and prosperity then one with a large group of junkies sucking the lifeblood out of society.

[geriatrickid]

Chalerm is a ten times loser. Anyone who declares a war on drugs is a loser anyhow. You cannot win, but Chalerm is the last to care about the ordinary people whose freedom he is about to invade. Chalerm is one of those elitists who buy judges, prosecutors and police. Bet you that his sons were using drugs but of course that is different.

Maybe if hes kids did indeed have a run in with drugs, he knows as a parent what the costs are and is pursuing this agenda because he is trying to spare other families the same hardship.

I'm tired of being told that drugs shuld be legalized or subsidized. The people pushing this agenda are not the ones paying those costs, whether it be the subsidies or cleaning up the mess or in dealing with the cost of a drug community. Just as the war on drugs has not been successful to date, neither has been the stampede to legalization. Communities don't want "safe injection" sites in their midsts, nor do families welcome the ease at which drugs would then be available. If society could do it over again, tobacco would have been regulated as a serious poison.

[Skywalker69]

Ya right Thailand is going to send there army in to Burma to stop the growing of poppies and Burma is going to send there army into Thailand to stop the distribution of drugs.

In other words there 80% reduction on drug abuse has failed.

Some of the biggest suppliers of the ingredients here in Thailand claim to have lost the pills.

If they really wanted to cut back on drug abuse they will have to set up many treatment center where people can be treated for the disease of addiction rather than like no body's. They will not only have to be treated for addiction but learn to respect them selves and others.

As long as there is a buyer there will be some one to sell them the drugs. As long as there is untouchable drug barons there will be some one to sell the drugs.

Thailand could make a start on cleaning up Thailand by looking at Portugal. They have had some success in working to a solution to the problem. Instead they look to the states and there war on drugs. A war that they are continually loosing. They did better in Viet Nam and we all know how that worked out for them.

LOL Portugal, is a country teetering on financial collapse and dependent upon EU handouts with a very gloomy future.

Vietnam is a country developing quickly with a relatively stable economy and a bright future.

I'd rather be in a country where there is hope and prosperity then one with a large group of junkies sucking the lifeblood out of society.

So why are you in Thailand?

[maeab]

Ya right Thailand is going to send there army in to Burma to stop the growing of poppies and Burma is going to send there army into Thailand to stop the distribution of drugs.

In other words there 80% reduction on drug abuse has failed.

Some of the biggest suppliers of the ingredients here in Thailand claim to have lost the pills.

If they really wanted to cut back on drug abuse they will have to set up many treatment center where people can be treated for the disease of addiction rather than like no body's. They will not only have to be treated for addiction but learn to respect them selves and others.

As long as there is a buyer there will be some one to sell them the drugs. As long as there is untouchable drug barons there will be some one to sell the drugs.

Thailand could make a start on cleaning up Thailand by looking at Portugal. They have had some success in working to a solution to the problem. Instead they look to the states and there war on drugs. A war that they are continually loosing. They did better in Viet Nam and we all know how that worked out for them.

LOL Portugal, is a country teetering on financial collapse and dependent upon EU handouts with a very gloomy future.

Vietnam is a country developing quickly with a relatively stable economy and a bright future.

I'd rather be in a country where there is hope and prosperity then one with a large group of junkies sucking the lifeblood out of society.

So why are you in Thailand?

As long as weed remains legal everything will be alright.

[marquess]

War on Drugs, I recall Thaksin parading around with a large Thai flag about eight years ago saying that Thailand was now drug free. All governments are on a hiding to nothing when it comes to drug 'eradication' the best you can do is have some form of legalised control along with some policy that tries to reduce the root causes that lead to drug abuse-- whether they be psychological, social or some other undetermined cause; finally bearing in mind that there will always be people who will put their hands in the fire no matter what.

[TAWP]

Chalerm is a ten times loser. Anyone who declares a war on drugs is a loser anyhow. You cannot win, but Chalerm is the last to care about the ordinary people whose freedom he is about to invade. Chalerm is one of those elitists who buy judges, prosecutors and police. Bet you that his sons were using drugs but of course that is different.

Maybe if hes kids did indeed have a run in with drugs, he knows as a parent what the costs are and is pursuing this agenda because he is trying to spare other families the same hardship.

I'm tired of being told that drugs shuld be legalized or subsidized. The people pushing this agenda are not the ones paying those costs, whether it be the subsidies or cleaning up the mess or in dealing with the cost of a drug community. Just as the war on drugs has not been successful to date, neither has been the stampede to legalization. Communities don't want "safe injection" sites in their midsts, nor do families welcome the ease at which drugs would then be available. If society could do it over again, tobacco would have been regulated as a serious poison.

What cost?

Oh, you mean from junkies burglarizing to feed their habits?

I saw an interesting report on BBC the other day, about native settlements in norther Canada, and their huge problems with Oxicoton.

The base of the problems was that one pill goes for USD 20 south of Canada - but flown up to their settlements the price went up to 400-600 USD per pill.

You do the math - with a real price of under USD 2 - how much more junkies have to get together per day [any way possible] to get their fixes. Now imagine if they could merely pay the real price from any pharmacy...and we could take the winnings for society and spend it on treatments for junkies that are abusing - not using - it.

But o-no, some are just too stuck at the first symptom and don't really care about treating the problem.

[TAWP]

LOL Portugal, is a country teetering on financial collapse and dependent upon EU handouts with a very gloomy future.

Which is completely unrelated to any drug-problems, as their overall costs in regards to drug-problems have drastically decreased.

[garudatrade]

First of all - Portugals economic problems where caused by the Euro and the manipulation of there economy by the ECB. Not becuase of drugs. In fact in terms of drug use and drug related crime, decriminlization has been a HUGE success. In fact They have seen drug use and violence go down. Like my favorite candidiate Ron paul says : Would anyone in ths room do heroin, even if it was legal? Noone raises their hand. Drug addition is a Health problem - and its no more a crime than alcoholism. I do not encourage or condone drug use, but its a matter of liberty , and the better of two evils. Keeping it legal, inside clinics, and with doctors involved keeps it off the streets and away from criminals.

All the country's who have dealt with the drug problem sensibly like the swiss, dutch etc. have had success. Here the bottom line : People have been using substances to alter their mind , relieve stress, or for recreation since the begining of mankind. The senseless and immoral war on drugs has failed no matter what any one says. Drugs are cheaper, more plentiful, and available than any time before. The idea that prohibition works is nothing but a FAILED idea. Only if you put your head in the sand and don't want to listen to reason can you say the war on drugs has had any success.

Prohibition has never worked plain and simple. The countries which have made drugs available through a doctor and with a treament program, with clean needles, and uncut pure drugs, have had huge success. This means the addicts can still lead somewhat clean productive lives, away from the streets, prison, and causing harm to society. Just like in Switzerland, They come in to the clinics, get there fix, and then often go to work etc instead of stealing and killing for it. Eventually they can get cleaned up and off it entirely through treatment.

All prohibition does is put the drug market in the hands of criminals, and allow dangerous un regulated drugs on to the streets. In fact, heroin it self is not as harmful as they would have you believe. The reason people die and get messed up on it is several reasons.

1) The drug dealers cut it with all kinds of chemicals and poisons.

2) The dirty needles people share

3) The fact that its criminalised means junkies must steal, kill rob rape etc to get it

Who benefits from illegal drugs?

1) The criminal and evil drug cartels and other criminals benefit from a black market. It keeps the prices high.

They can always find more dumb mules to carry them, politicians/police to bribe, or another cartel to take the place.

2) The prison industrial complex that makes money per head they deprive of their freedoms. Its one of the most vile and evil

enterprises next to the cartels in the world today.

3) The police departments who get to destroy peoples freedom, while taking money from federal governments, while using

there powers to trample peoples rights, destroy lives, kill innocent people, and sieze assets.

4) The politicials who get elected by talking tough on drugs.

Any person who thinks prohibition works is not only fooling themself, they are perpetuating the loss of liberty and helping

the terrorist criminal cartels. Some of the most evil and vile organizations on earth. These groups would be put out of business

instantly should they legalze and regulate. No more profits for them if the people caught n the 50's/reagan era thinking would

wake up and see legalization for what it is - the better of two evils, and a way more realistic approach to fixing this problem.

Case in point :

leap dot cc

also youtube federal judges say legalize drugs

[garudatrade]

To follow up - governments should take a policy of Harm reduction and addiction managment instead of prohibition. There is no silver bullet to fix the drug problem. But legalization is the best use of our resources - consider how many violent crimes go unsolved. Wasting precious law enforment resources on non violent drug users is the real crme here.

Other youtube videos to watch:

Eric Sterling wrote the Reagan drug laws, now slams them

Seattle Police Chief Says Legalize Drugs

The War on Drugs with John Stossel Unintended Consequences of Prohibition

Youtube channel :

copssaylegalisedrugs

Edited March 31, 2012 by garudatrade

[maeab]

To follow up - governments should take a policy of Harm reduction and addiction managment instead of prohibition. There is no silver bullet to fix the drug problem. But legalization is the best use of our resources - consider how many violent crimes go unsolved. Wasting precious law enforment resources on non violent drug users is the real crme here.

Other youtube videos to watch:

Eric Sterling wrote the Reagan drug laws, now slams them

Seattle Police Chief Says Legalize Drugs

The War on Drugs with John Stossel Unintended Consequences of Prohibition

Youtube channel :

copssaylegalisedrugs

That geriatric kid is a real bafoon.

[garudatrade]

Yes typical of people who don't understand the way the world really works. They live in a 1950's beaver family idealism.

The problem is not drugs, its the violence and money from drug prohibition.

The cost of treatment and education is NOTHING compared to how much they spend on prohibition. Most of that would be more than pad for by taxation and regulation. Does that mean I think any one over 21 should be allowed to buy cocaine at 7-11? No harder drugs other than marijuana should be available through clinics. I think the marijuana dispensary model is the best one. It's a health matter between people and there doctors. It should still be illegal to drive under the influence etc.

What they don't realise is prohibtion creates the profits funding terrorism, (Look at afghanistan, where US soldiers are guarding opium crops) and the worst and even more violent terrorists the Cartels. I mean the horrific things they do to people there is sickening.

This draconian, authoritarian policy for the last 40 years is what has caused this!

Even Pat Robertson, big time conservative, is calling for the legalization of Marijuana. So people across the spectrum are waking up.

Check his videos on youtube. Even right wing conservatives are saying enough enough.

If you check on the videos I mentioned earlier even better! Cops are tired of cleaning up the mess caused by bothched drug raids, innocent people being killed, lives being destroyed, people sent to prison, liberties taken away - there has to be a better way. And there is if you look at what a lot of countries in Europe have already done. Crowding prisons with non violent drug offenders just creates more hardened criminals, and another opportunity for a kid to be the next dealer.

Drugs are a bad thing - but if you don't want them . don't do them. If they where as cheap as cigarettes would they be killing eachother over them?

No! When was the last time you saw a drive by at a legal pharmacy? Or killing over packs of cigarettes etc No only over the illegal ones and the profits they offer on the black market. Same with prostitution. It;'s only bad when its illegal and driven underground. You can't stop human vices you can regulate them , keep them clean and above board. If these activites offend you - don't do them and leave people there right to put in there body what they want. Drugs where legal in the US until the early 20th century. The only trouble was cause by these busy body so called moralists who tried to control some one elses right ot live as they choose - assuming you do no harm to others.

Now many south and central american governments are about to bail from these US police state policies. There has been alot of regional conferences amongst leaders from those countries stating this fact. The winds of change are on us and it would be insanity to continue these failed and insane drug policies.

It ties into foreign policy in the sense the US has no right to go around to other countries telling them what to do. Hopefully the empire will fall soon. This is coming from a US expat - and I believeif the USA decriminilized it, other countries such as Thailand, would make more permissive policies. Its our undue influence on the world I protest as well. I mean here in Thailand - Death for ganja???? Can you believe its worse than the dark ages here.

At least the cambodians leave you alone for it. This outrageous drug crasading mentality is a crime against humanity. Look at all the lives lost in the war over what someone puts into there body. Look at the horrific narco terrorist state this created in mexico? The most dangerous place on earth. All from drug prohibition. So if you think someone puffing a joint is more harmful than the cartels and you like perpatuating violence, autoritarianism, death, destruction, and loss of liberty, keep supporting the drug war - which has costs us trillions and gotten us nowhere.

Edited March 31, 2012 by garudatrade

[MAJIC]

Ya right Thailand is going to send there army in to Burma to stop the growing of poppies and Burma is going to send there army into Thailand to stop the distribution of drugs.

In other words there 80% reduction on drug abuse has failed.

Some of the biggest suppliers of the ingredients here in Thailand claim to have lost the pills.

If they really wanted to cut back on drug abuse they will have to set up many treatment center where people can be treated for the disease of addiction rather than like no body's. They will not only have to be treated for addiction but learn to respect them selves and others.

As long as there is a buyer there will be some one to sell them the drugs. As long as there is untouchable drug barons there will be some one to sell the drugs.

Thailand could make a start on cleaning up Thailand by looking at Portugal. They have had some success in working to a solution to the problem. Instead they look to the states and there war on drugs. A war that they are continually loosing. They did better in Viet Nam and we all know how that worked out for them.

LOL Portugal, is a country teetering on financial collapse and dependent upon EU handouts with a very gloomy future.

Vietnam is a country developing quickly with a relatively stable economy and a bright future.

I'd rather be in a country where there is hope and prosperity then one with a large group of junkies sucking the lifeblood out of society.

So why are you in Thailand?

As long as weed remains legal everything will be alright.

Including the side effects?

[TeddyFlyfisherDavis]

Lip service...Plain and simple...In the land of make believe and miracles.

Edited March 31, 2012 by TeddyFlyfisherDavis

[garudatrade]

All things have side effects - including prescription drugs. Prescription drugs and the medical establstment kill more people than almost anything.

Why don't you let someone decide for themselves if the side effects of the drugs they take are harmful to them.

What gives you or anyone else to decide what side effect are good or bad for anyone else? Nothing because you don't have the right to do that.

[garudatrade]

We believe that drug prohibition is the true cause of much of the social and personal damage that has historically been attributed to drug use. It is prohibition that makes these drugs so valuable – while giving criminals a monopoly over their supply. Driven by the huge profits from this monopoly, criminal gangs bribe and kill each other, law enforcers, and children. Their trade is unregulated and they are, therefore, beyond our control.

History has shown that drug prohibition reduces neither use nor abuse. After a rapist is arrested, there are fewer rapes. After a drug dealer is arrested, however, neither the supply nor the demand for drugs is seriously changed. The arrest merely creates a job opening for an endless stream of drug entrepreneurs who will take huge risks for the sake of the enormous profits created by prohibition. Prohibition costs taxpayers tens of billions of dollars every year, yet 40 years and some 40 million arrests later, drugs are cheaper, more potent and far more widely used than at the beginning of this futile crusade.

We believe that by eliminating prohibition of all drugs for adults and establishing appropriate regulation and standards for distribution and use, law enforcement could focus more on crimes of violence, such as rape, aggravated assault, child abuse and murder, making our communities much safer. We believe that sending parents to prison for non-violent personal drug use destroys families. We believe that in a regulated and controlled environment, drugs will be safer for adult use and less accessible to our children. And we believe that by placing drug abuse in the hands of medical professionals instead of the criminal justice system, we will reduce rates of addiction and overdose deaths.

[noitom]

Is the pseudoephedrine hospital thefts included n the "war on drugs" in Thailand?

[OzMick]

To follow up - governments should take a policy of Harm reduction and addiction managment instead of prohibition. There is no silver bullet to fix the drug problem. But legalization is the best use of our resources - consider how many violent crimes go unsolved. Wasting precious law enforment resources on non violent drug users is the real crme here.

Other youtube videos to watch:

Eric Sterling wrote the Reagan drug laws, now slams them

Seattle Police Chief Says Legalize Drugs

The War on Drugs with John Stossel Unintended Consequences of Prohibition

Youtube channel :

copssaylegalisedrugs

That geriatric kid is a real bafoon.

Did you mean buffoon or bassoon?

[endure]

To follow up - governments should take a policy of Harm reduction and addiction managment instead of prohibition. There is no silver bullet to fix the drug problem. But legalization is the best use of our resources - consider how many violent crimes go unsolved. Wasting precious law enforment resources on non violent drug users is the real crme here.

Other youtube videos to watch:

Eric Sterling wrote the Reagan drug laws, now slams them

Seattle Police Chief Says Legalize Drugs

The War on Drugs with John Stossel Unintended Consequences of Prohibition

Youtube channel :

copssaylegalisedrugs

That geriatric kid is a real bafoon.

Did you mean buffoon or bassoon?

Or baboon?

[BookMan]

To follow up - governments should take a policy of Harm reduction and addiction managment instead of prohibition. There is no silver bullet to fix the drug problem. But legalization is the best use of our resources - consider how many violent crimes go unsolved. Wasting precious law enforment resources on non violent drug users is the real crme here.

Other youtube videos to watch:

Eric Sterling wrote the Reagan drug laws, now slams them

Seattle Police Chief Says Legalize Drugs

The War on Drugs with John Stossel Unintended Consequences of Prohibition

Youtube channel :

copssaylegalisedrugs

That geriatric kid is a real bafoon.

Did you mean buffoon or bassoon?

Sounds like he doesn't like his tune

[redroo]

Decriminalize weed

Shut down the tobacco industry

And make " hard drugs " a medical isue.

It will take about a year before things start too settledown.

The big drug cartels will hafto go back to

being politions and creating wars for sales of arms

in third worlds

[lannarebirth]

Chalerm is a ten times loser. Anyone who declares a war on drugs is a loser anyhow. You cannot win, but Chalerm is the last to care about the ordinary people whose freedom he is about to invade. Chalerm is one of those elitists who buy judges, prosecutors and police. Bet you that his sons were using drugs but of course that is different.

Maybe if hes kids did indeed have a run in with drugs, he knows as a parent what the costs are and is pursuing this agenda because he is trying to spare other families the same hardship.

I'm tired of being told that drugs shuld be legalized or subsidized. The people pushing this agenda are not the ones paying those costs, whether it be the subsidies or cleaning up the mess or in dealing with the cost of a drug community. Just as the war on drugs has not been successful to date, neither has been the stampede to legalization. Communities don't want "safe injection" sites in their midsts, nor do families welcome the ease at which drugs would then be available. If society could do it over again, tobacco would have been regulated as a serious poison.

Everything from Gulf of Thailand oil deposits to Drugs to Songkran Festivals has become a "regional agenda" with these folks. Wake up man, there's something bigger going on here.

[varun]

Chalerm is a ten times loser. Anyone who declares a war on drugs is a loser anyhow. You cannot win, but Chalerm is the last to care about the ordinary people whose freedom he is about to invade. Chalerm is one of those elitists who buy judges, prosecutors and police. Bet you that his sons were using drugs but of course that is different.

Judging by the drivel that comes out of his mouth, he has to be on SOMETHING!

[cloudhopper]

Wake up man, there's something bigger going on here.

Not enough Viagra to go around?

[Ricardo]

Wake up man, there's something bigger going on here.

Not enough Viagra to go around?

it's awfully hard to be good, but awfully good to be hard, as the old joke puts it !