PM Yingluck Asks For Prem's Help

[Skywalker69]

She and Youngyuth are wearing pink the Kings Birthday Colors.

A very obvious reference to the whole royal postion in Thailand and Prems relationship to that postion.

You also quite clearly see the Kings Royal Badge on Prems shirt. Making sure his representation is seen.

It seems there is a concerted effort to re-ingratiate themselves, and distance themselves from the Red Menace.

Fence mending certainly, but regardless of denials, the symbolism displayed is quite culturally political.

One Amart clique bowing to another, in hopes of a return to the fold... all driven by Thaksin needing to

be brought in from the cold, anyway he can be. 'No face without acceptance', he finally realizes.

But what of the grumblings of the red multi-headed hydra that Thaksins incantations have caused to rise from the primordial ooze and slither across the land. Will it be consigned to the dustbin of history after a time, or is it too far entrenched and out of control? They clearly must be realizing they have been used. Their attempts at asserting influence in Chaing Mai is proof that they feel that an end-run around them is afoot. But outside observers have seen there was always an end-run coming their way once their usefulness was finished.

According to this link there is a lot going on behind the scene.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/NC30Ae01.html

[hyperdimension]

I have heard that it´s also the color of love.

They just made that up as an excuse and it's quite a lame one as are their other statements (like meeting Prem just to discuss culture). Red is more universally known as the color of love, so they should have all worn red shirts if they really wanted to express love. Edited April 27, 2012 by hyperdimension

[Payboy]

She and Youngyuth are wearing pink the Kings Birthday Colors.

HRH King Bhumibol was born on a Monday - so his birthday color is Yellow.

[whybother]

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It's a positive sign, hopefully....I bet the hard line red shirts are loving this!

Interesting this meeting as many Red shirt supporters will be furious and left with a feeling of betrayal. They were so brainwashed in terms of Prem being the Devil and being responsible for their financial hardships, that it will take a complete decoding of their thinking. My wife translated night after night what, for example, the young Turks Nattawut and Jatuporn, said about Prem on the red shirts stages! Mostly lies of course, but the vulgarity and their choice of words were extremely insulting. My in laws, fervent red shirts, cannot believe what their princess Yingluck is doing now and their relative astonishment is maybe comparable as Obama heaving a cup of tea with Osama Bin Laden were he alive. For them Prem is the ultimate evil as preached through the red shirt tv stations!

They might be furious, but they've been told that they can't complain.

Red-shirts issue statement asking supporters not to criticize PM for meeting Gen Prem, slams Democrats for causing divide with govt /TANN

[webfact]

PM: I don't talk politics with Prem

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra on Friday confirmed she did not have political discussion with chief royal adviser General Prem Tinsulanonda during the yesterday's Songkran visit.

"Prem is beyond politics, hence we talked about projects to help the people," she said.

Yingluck said the talks were about Prem's projects to help the people in the strife-torn South.

Despite speculation whether Yingluck had raised the issues related to her fugitive brother Thaksin Shinawatra, the prime minister refused to comment.

Deputy Prime Minister Yuthasak Sasiprapha said the Prem-Yingluck meeting went well. He said Yingluck had sought and received Prem's permission for future talks in order to seek his advice.

He also revealed that Yingluck had offered to the government's involvement in Prem-initated projects but Prem just gave a smile and did not comment. He said several organisations in the private sector already took part in the projects.

-- The Nation 2012-04-27

[MunterHunter]

PM: I don't talk politics with Prem

She doesnt talk politics with anyone it would seem...

[Skywalker69]

I have heard that it´s also the color of love.

They just made that up as an excuse and it's quite a lame one as are their other statements (like meeting Prem just to discuss culture). Red is more universally known as the color of love, so they should have all worn red shirts if they really wanted to express love.

Agreed, but after this meeting there is a risk that the Red Shirt´s turn more red.

[Skywalker69]

She and Youngyuth are wearing pink the Kings Birthday Colors.

HRH King Bhumibol was born on a Monday - so his birthday color is Yellow.

But the PM couldn't ´t wear yellow?

[hyperdimension]

They might be furious, but they've been told that they can't complain.

Red-shirts issue statement asking supporters not to criticize PM for meeting Gen Prem, slams Democrats for causing divide with govt /TANN

I thought the Red Shirts supported democracy, in which freedom of speech is one of it tenets.

[hyperdimension]

Yingluck said the talks were about Prem's projects to help the people in the strife-torn South.

Despite speculation whether Yingluck had raised the issues related to her fugitive brother Thaksin Shinawatra, the prime minister refused to comment.

Deputy Prime Minister Yuthasak Sasiprapha said the Prem-Yingluck meeting went well. He said Yingluck had sought and received Prem's permission for future talks in order to seek his advice.

He also revealed that Yingluck had offered to the government's involvement in Prem-initated projects but Prem just gave a smile and did not comment. He said several organisations in the private sector already took part in the projects.

It all sounds like deal-making to me.

[Skywalker69]

They might be furious, but they've been told that they can't complain.

Red-shirts issue statement asking supporters not to criticize PM for meeting Gen Prem, slams Democrats for causing divide with govt /TANN

I thought the Red Shirts supported democracy, in which freedom of speech is one of it tenets.

Red democracy=Same,same, but different.

Edited April 27, 2012 by Skywalker69

[pastitche]

Fence mending. Good, I guess, but hardly front-page news. With all due respect, Ms Yingluck looks like she plasters on too much whitening cream and powder, and she could benefit from a few minutes in the sun. She's whiter than the white door at Prem's house.

With all do respect I would suggest they only take frontal pictures of her. Looks like a little dieting is in order from the side.

With all due respect I would suggest that your comment is neither relevant nor on topic

[otherstuff1957]

This is an interesting, but not unexpected development. Thaksin has always pursued multiple approaches to achieve his goals. For instance, the protesters at Ratchaprasong included both singing grandmothers and grenade shooting Men in Black. He funded the Red Shirts and had them engage in acts of civil disobedience and he also organised and funded the PT party.

Right now he is negotiating with Prem, but he still has the Red Shirts in reserve. If negotiations don't work out to his satisfaction, it may very well be time to unleash the dogs of war again.

[jayboy]

Body language in Thailand is very important as signals and responses culturally.

The supplicants come to see Prem have definitely submissive demeanors.

Even to the point of maintaining a Semi-Wai position, with inclined heads,

clasped hands, eyes focused on him.

While Prem is completely up right and gesticulating with his hands, and looking away.

And what's your point? Obviously she is the lower-status between them according to Thai culture - female, younger, his being the monarchy's representative. . .

Nothing to do with anything but that.

Precisely.Odd how some feel qualified to pontificate on complex political matters when they even absorbed the elementary basics of everyday Thai courtesy.A more mean spirited person might suggest this simply reflects the rather limited Thai circles they move in.

[hyperdimension]

Body language in Thailand is very important as signals and responses culturally.

The supplicants come to see Prem have definitely submissive demeanors.

Even to the point of maintaining a Semi-Wai position, with inclined heads,

clasped hands, eyes focused on him.

While Prem is completely up right and gesticulating with his hands, and looking away.

And what's your point? Obviously she is the lower-status between them according to Thai culture - female, younger, his being the monarchy's representative. . .

Nothing to do with anything but that.

Precisely.Odd how some feel qualified to pontificate on complex political matters when they even absorbed the elementary basics of everyday Thai courtesy.A more mean spirited person might suggest this simply reflects the rather limited Thai circles they move in.

I think animatic was just pointing out that the picture shows clearly who's boss. During Thaksin's time, he felt that he was boss, and hence did not feel the need to consult Prem on affairs. The fact that Yingluck has now "requested permission to consult" him on affairs of state may suggest that Thaksin now realizes that ignoring him can have dire consequences.

[siampolee]

Precisely.Odd how some feel qualified to pontificate on complex political matters when they even absorbed the elementary basics of everyday Thai courtesy.A more mean spirited person might suggest this simply reflects the rather limited Thai circles they move in.

You mean like Yingluck and Oak to name but two people in the above case sceanario?

[jayboy]

I think animatic was just pointing out that the picture shows clearly who's boss. During Thaksin's time, he felt that he was boss, and hence did not feel the need to consult Prem on affairs. The fact that Yingluck has now "requested permission to consult" him on affairs of state may suggest that Thaksin now realizes that ignoring him can have dire consequences.

Thaksin was as deferential as anyone when he came acoss Prem though obviously post coup the situation changed.Nevertheless he was very polite to Prem on his brief return from exile.Nevertheless you are correct to say that Thaksin as PM was perceived by some as setting up a rival base of influence, and again as you suggest there were dire consequences for Thaksin.However the situation has totally changed and despite the current rituals Prem is a shadow of his former eminence.Nobody will admit this openly but everybody knows it's true.

[TheCure]

Body language in Thailand is very important as signals and responses culturally.

The supplicants come to see Prem have definitely submissive demeanors.

Even to the point of maintaining a Semi-Wai position, with inclined heads,

clasped hands, eyes focused on him.

While Prem is completely up right and gesticulating with his hands, and looking away.

And what's your point? Obviously she is the lower-status between them according to Thai culture - female, younger, his being the monarchy's representative. . .

Nothing to do with anything but that.

Precisely.Odd how some feel qualified to pontificate on complex political matters when they even absorbed the elementary basics of everyday Thai courtesy.A more mean spirited person might suggest this simply reflects the rather limited Thai circles they move in.

I think animatic was just pointing out that the picture shows clearly who's boss. During Thaksin's time, he felt that he was boss, and hence did not feel the need to consult Prem on affairs. The fact that Yingluck has now "requested permission to consult" him on affairs of state may suggest that Thaksin now realizes that ignoring him can have dire consequences.

In a true democracy, the boss is the one that the people have chosen at the polling booth .

[animatic]

I think animatic was just pointing out that the picture shows clearly who's boss. During Thaksin's time, he felt that he was boss, and hence did not feel the need to consult Prem on affairs. The fact that Yingluck has now "requested permission to consult" him on affairs of state may suggest that Thaksin now realizes that ignoring him can have dire consequences.

Thaksin was as deferential as anyone when he came acoss Prem though obviously post coup the situation changed.Nevertheless he was very polite to Prem on his brief return from exile.Nevertheless you are correct to say that Thaksin as PM was perceived by some as setting up a rival base of influence, and again as you suggest there were dire consequences for Thaksin.However the situation has totally changed and despite the current rituals Prem is a shadow of his former eminence.Nobody will admit this openly but everybody knows it's true.

His "eminence" remains intact,

his intentional relaxation of the reigns of control in his retirement years

is a natural progression in life. But without a doubt, he raises one finger and people snap to.

[JurgenG]

Body language in Thailand is very important as signals and responses culturally.

The supplicants come to see Prem have definitely submissive demeanors.

Even to the point of maintaining a Semi-Wai position, with inclined heads,

clasped hands, eyes focused on him.

While Prem is completely up right and gesticulating with his hands, and looking away.

And what's your point? Obviously she is the lower-status between them according to Thai culture - female, younger, his being the monarchy's representative. . .

Nothing to do with anything but that.

Good to see some people in this forum who understand Thai culture.

[h90]

In a true democracy, the boss is the one that the people have chosen at the polling booth .

In a fair election without vote buying.

[jayboy]

His "eminence" remains intact,

his intentional relaxation of the reigns of control in his retirement years

is a natural progression in life. But without a doubt, he raises one finger and people snap to.

If you seriously believe that Prem's barami, quite apart from his advancing years, remains at pre-coup levels there's not much futher to say.I'm not saying he doesn't have significant influence, simply that it is very much diminished

[metisdead]

Off topic posts and nonsense posts have been removed as well as the replies.

[drdoom6996]

"General Prem gave his blessing to the prime minister and wished her good health. He also asked her to take good care of the people," Yongyuth said.

He said the prime minister also asked Prem for permission to meet with him for future consultations as Prem was a senior respected figure in the country and a former prime minister with extensive political experience.

Yongyuth reiterated that Yingluck's meeting with Prem had no political significance. "There was only a cultural dimension, no political one," he said.

Seems to me upon reading the comments above that it is a classical case of, '' the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing.''

Yingluck is willing or wanting to meet again for, ''consultations.'' Yet Yonguth states that it is purely a cultural matter.

Would this suggest that the knowledge concerning the Thai cultural heritage is somewhat lacking in the Prime Minister or possibly that Yongyuth is being sidelined along with Chalerm who has been somewhat less vocal and rabid of late too ? .

The Very Merry month of May is approaching rapidly and the shop soiled tawdry politicians are about to burst upon the scene again.

No doubt that there are old scores to be settled regarding who sold who down the river., perchance that some of the current puppets are about to find themselves relegated to the props box due to the return of the aforementioned tainted clique.

Internal family squabbles are not unknown anywhere in this world, perhaps having tasted the fruits of power someone is trying to stave off a potential problem and a loss of face, hence the cosying up to the enemies of the Red Shirted P.T.P pawns.. foot soldiers is a self protective move ?

Desperate means lead to desperate ends

We all know what the right hand is doing. It's the left one that we are worried about. Nobody seems to know whhere it it opr what it is doing. Maybe it will come back someday.

[drdoom6996]

In a true democracy, the boss is the one that the people have chosen at the polling booth .

In a fair election without vote buying.

+1

[KireB]

In a true democracy, the boss is the one that the people have chosen at the polling booth .

In some 'Democracies' you would be absolutely right, but as you probably know, Thailand is a Constitutional Monarchie.

Just as many other countries. Wikipedia has the complete list of tens of other 'democracies' in which the people do not choose the boss at the polling stations. Directly that is.

[hyperdimension]

In a true democracy, the boss is the one that the people have chosen at the polling booth .

In Thailand, various unelected people historicaly have had and still do have power and influence.

[ratcatcher]

She and Youngyuth are wearing pink the Kings Birthday Colors.

HRH King Bhumibol was born on a Monday - so his birthday color is Yellow.

Since we are being precise here, it would be H.M.(His Majesty) King Bhumibol as the title H.R.H. (His Royal Highness) is reserved for Prince Maha Vajiralongkorn.

[philw]

His "eminence" remains intact,

his intentional relaxation of the reigns of control in his retirement years

is a natural progression in life. But without a doubt, he raises one finger and people snap to.

If you seriously believe that Prem's barami, quite apart from his advancing years, remains at pre-coup levels there's not much futher to say.I'm not saying he doesn't have significant influence, simply that it is very much diminished

He's only 90 something and yet he is totally in touch with the current political mood of Thailand and completley aware and responsive to the feelings and aspirations of a political underclass who are perhaps waking up ..........

"You've never had it so good............"

Who said that and what happened to him ???

[TheCure]

In a true democracy, the boss is the one that the people have chosen at the polling booth .

In Thailand, various unelected people historicaly have had and still do have power and influence.

The Thai delusion in full swing .