Red-Shirt Pavilion Burnt Down In Songkhla

[hellodolly]

However much I dislike the red shirts or at least the more extreme ones burning their garden shed or whatever it's supposed to be isn't the answer nor is it right.

Ca someone explain to me what a red shirt village is exactly? How many or what proportion of the village have to be red supporters for it to be declared red? What if you aren't red? What is the legal basis for them? Honest answers only please. I can't tell how serious it is without knowing.

I have asked this question a few times. With no clear answer from anyone Red or otherwise . I would presume 100% but i doubt that in reality.

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I have often wondered myself.

Personally I don't know if we ever will know the answer.

In many villages if the head man says it is so it is so no matter what you believe.

[hellodolly]

It woudn't necessarily have to be any political party involved at all, as noted by bendejo, the Shinawatra family and the Red Shirts are less than popular in the South. Considering the fact that this is widespread knowledge, the motives of the red shirts in the South do seem questionable.

The South is not the only place, they aren't welcomed.

In the heart of Issan...

KHON KAEN – In Non Reuang, an unassuming Northeastern village located just 15 kilometers north of Khon Kaen city, fallow rice fields line pothole-ridden roads made dusty with windswept topsoil. Here, most residents are looking to have those roads repaved. Others are interested in having the local elementary school’s bathrooms renovated. These are the daily concerns of a small provincial town in which everyone knows everyone else.

But on December 23, Non Reuang made headlines when a group of concerned citizens successfully torpedoed plans to establish the community as a Red Village, just one day before its proposed inauguration ceremony. A village-wide vote saw 160 votes cast against the Red Village’s establishment and, as a result of a Red Shirt boycott, none cast in support.

The Red Village movement, conceived in the run up to last year’s July 3 election, has seen hundreds of villages throughout the Northeast name themselves “Red Villages for Democracy” in an attempt to demonstrate organizational power and scale. But in places like Non Reuang, the movement has strained community relations and deepened political divides.

http://isaanrecord.c...munity-divided/

A bit of a disappointing reference; classics graduates who couldn't find teaching jobs in the US came to Thailand, presumably to teach English and set up a website reporting on life in Isaan based on interviews carried out via an interpreter. With no professional journalistic experience or training, in a country with a completely different political system and political culture from their homeland, I don't think that their insights are of any particular worth

You make no sense what so ever. Read the article before you knock it.Not one mention of a English teacher.

The reason some people wanted it to become a red shirt village is explained in this paragraph I copied out of the article.

"However, just 50 meters down the road, at a house lined with Red flags and whose walls are decorated with a photo collage of a Red Shirt rally, a group of Red villagers have more to say. Sanong Chaiyatha, easily the most outspoken Red Shirt in the village, considers the Wang Taw concession to be totally inadequate. She had wanted to found the Red Village in Non Reuang as a way to receive donations from the movement’s considerable largesse in order to fix the village’s crumbling roads and renovate the elementary school’s dilapidated bathroom. Now that the Red Village proposal has been decisively quashed, her village will have greater difficulty finding funds from the Red Shirt movement."

She is thinking that the red shirts are going to give them what they want. She dosen't understand that civic improvements is not on the red shirt agenda.

Edited May 16, 2012 by hellodolly

[FOODLOVER]

Red out house doth not make a red village.

Sent from my butt.

Clearly.

Hope you washed it.

Which one?

[hyperdimension]

The reason some people wanted it to become a red shirt village is explained in this paragraph I copied out of the article.

"However, just 50 meters down the road, at a house lined with Red flags and whose walls are decorated with a photo collage of a Red Shirt rally, a group of Red villagers have more to say. Sanong Chaiyatha, easily the most outspoken Red Shirt in the village, considers the Wang Taw concession to be totally inadequate. She had wanted to found the Red Village in Non Reuang as a way to receive donations from the movement’s considerable largesse in order to fix the village’s crumbling roads and renovate the elementary school’s dilapidated bathroom. Now that the Red Village proposal has been decisively quashed, her village will have greater difficulty finding funds from the Red Shirt movement."

She is thinking that the red shirts are going to give them what they want. She dosen't understand that civic improvements is not on the red shirt agenda.

So she wanted her village to become a Red Shirt village just because of money. I think similarly there are many people who are Red Shirts just because of money; all the cries for "democracy" and "justice" are irrelevant to them. Those cries aren't genuine anyway as long as Thaksin and his clan continues to fund the Red Shirts, as for them it's about money too as well as power. To wealthy tyrants, money and power are part of a perpetual feedback loop - power opens up opportunities to obtain money via corruption, and disbursement of money to various people who matter buys their support which help to strengthen and consolidate power.

[animatic]

It seems announcing a villages is now a red village

doesn't take into consideration the actual feelings of the villagers themselves.

'We now anoint you a Red VIllage!'

See how nice we are?

Oh wait,

you don't WANT TO BE A RED VILLAGE!!!!!! (shock and awe?)

Well that MUST be a Democratic Party Conspiracy against reconciliation.

Edited May 17, 2012 by animatic

[hyperdimension]

late last evening one of the red-huggers on this forum posted something to the extent than an entire red village had been burnt to the ground somewhere down south. Today's facts didn't quite live up to last night's advertising - a bit like PTP election promises.

Here is that post:

If you read the BP now, you can see, for example, that a building in a newly oped Red Shirt village in Songkla province was burned down by opponents.

[Buchholz]

late last evening one of the red-huggers on this forum posted something to the extent than an entire red village had been burnt to the ground somewhere down south. Today's facts didn't quite live up to last night's advertising - a bit like PTP election promises.

Here is that post:

If you read the BP now, you can see, for example, that a building in a newly oped Red Shirt village in Songkla province was burned down by opponents.

pretty small building

Edited May 17, 2012 by Buchholz

[whybother]

pretty small building

Are you sure it's not just a bus shelter?

[Mosha]

They commandeered it.

[phiphidon]

The reason some people wanted it to become a red shirt village is explained in this paragraph I copied out of the article.

"However, just 50 meters down the road, at a house lined with Red flags and whose walls are decorated with a photo collage of a Red Shirt rally, a group of Red villagers have more to say. Sanong Chaiyatha, easily the most outspoken Red Shirt in the village, considers the Wang Taw concession to be totally inadequate. She had wanted to found the Red Village in Non Reuang as a way to receive donations from the movement’s considerable largesse in order to fix the village’s crumbling roads and renovate the elementary school’s dilapidated bathroom. Now that the Red Village proposal has been decisively quashed, her village will have greater difficulty finding funds from the Red Shirt movement."

She is thinking that the red shirts are going to give them what they want. She dosen't understand that civic improvements is not on the red shirt agenda.

So she wanted her village to become a Red Shirt village just because of money. I think similarly there are many people who are Red Shirts just because of money; all the cries for "democracy" and "justice" are irrelevant to them. Those cries aren't genuine anyway as long as Thaksin and his clan continues to fund the Red Shirts, as for them it's about money too as well as power. To wealthy tyrants, money and power are part of a perpetual feedback loop - power opens up opportunities to obtain money via corruption, and disbursement of money to various people who matter buys their support which help to strengthen and consolidate power.

How dare she want the crumbling roads fixed (I wonder if are crumbling because they were part of the BJP's corrupt "dust free roads project" under abhisits regime) and "renovate the elementary school’s dilapidated bathroom" which you incredibly corrupt into

"So she wanted her village to become a Red Shirt village just because of money"

Your bias is embarassing.

[phiphidon]

late last evening one of the red-huggers on this forum posted something to the extent than an entire red village had been burnt to the ground somewhere down south. Today's facts didn't quite live up to last night's advertising - a bit like PTP election promises.

Here is that post:

If you read the BP now, you can see, for example, that a building in a newly oped Red Shirt village in Songkla province was burned down by opponents.

Please tell how an alleged post from

"one of the red-huggers on this forum posted something to the extent than an entire red village had been burnt to the ground somewhere down south"

is transformed in your mind to be this post from Nick Nostitz

If you read the BP now, you can see, for example, that a building in a newly oped Red Shirt village in Songkla province was burned down by opponents.

building

noun structure, house, construction, dwelling, erection, edifice, domicile, pile

[hyperdimension]

So she wanted her village to become a Red Shirt village just because of money. I think similarly there are many people who are Red Shirts just because of money; all the cries for "democracy" and "justice" are irrelevant to them. Those cries aren't genuine anyway as long as Thaksin and his clan continues to fund the Red Shirts, as for them it's about money too as well as power. To wealthy tyrants, money and power are part of a perpetual feedback loop - power opens up opportunities to obtain money via corruption, and disbursement of money to various people who matter buys their support which help to strengthen and consolidate power.

How dare she want the crumbling roads fixed (I wonder if are crumbling because they were part of the BJP's corrupt "dust free roads project" under abhisits regime) and "renovate the elementary school’s dilapidated bathroom" which you incredibly corrupt into

"So she wanted her village to become a Red Shirt village just because of money"

How is her statement not about money?:

She had wanted to found the Red Village in Non Reuang as a way to receive donations from the movement’s considerable largesse

This is logically interpreted as: She knew that the Red Shirts have a lot of money (most likely from Thaksin), so becoming a Red Shirt village would have been a way to get some of it. Nowhere does she state that her desire for the village to become Red was to uphold democracy, or fight against drugs or coups. It was about money.

Your bias is embarassing.

I don't try to hide my bias like some others and I'm not and have no reason to be ashamed of it. Edited May 17, 2012 by hyperdimension

[Moruya]

How munificent it was for these red shirted folks to find the time and money to travel to the deep south and erect such a truly awesome edifice in this village.

Had it not fallen victim to a match, an electrical fault (surely not with such a quality construction) or perhaps simply sponaneously combusted it would surely by now be listed as one of the wonders of the modern world.

Perhaps the reds overlloked that fact that their beloved leader was as responsible for the deaths of as many people at Tak Bai as Aphisit was for the deaths 2 years ago.

[hyperdimension]

Please tell how an alleged post from

"one of the red-huggers on this forum posted something to the extent than an entire red village had been burnt to the ground somewhere down south"

is transformed in your mind to be this post from Nick Nostitz

It was the only post that I had come across outside of this thread that mentioned any burning by opponents of the Red Shirts. If there is another post that mentions burning of an entire village by opponents of the Red Shirts then I'd be happy to be corrected.

Edited May 17, 2012 by hyperdimension

[hyperdimension]

Perhaps the reds overlloked that fact that their beloved leader was as responsible for the deaths of as many people at Tak Bai as Aphisit was for the deaths 2 years ago.

Their beloved leader is responsible for the deaths at both incidents.

Edited May 17, 2012 by hyperdimension

[rubl]

Sirichok also noted the involvement in the Red Villages by other government employees citing that Pheu Thai MP Jatuporn and Pheu Thai MP Weng were going to be speakers for a training course on the Red Villages next month as well as Police Colonel Tawee (mentioned above) also participating as a speaker during the conference.

The keynote speaker giving the address at the conclusion of the training course was going to be Deputy Agriculture Minister and Pheu Thai MP Natthawut.

I guess some Pheu Thai MP's including a Dept Min. have nothing else to do. May I assume that the gentlemen will be speakers 'a titre personel' (or simply as UDD leaders) rather than as (Pheu Thai) MP? I mean what do MP's know about 'training courses on red villages'. PM's may not be otherwise employed and paid, but that restriction obviously doesn't apply to MP's

EDIT: ADD: some answered "Meanwhile, Deputy Prime Minister Yongyuth Wichaidit said red-shirt villages could be established as long as the aim is to promote democracy, but insisted that the government is not involved in red-shirt villages nor has it ever provided funding for them."

Edited May 17, 2012 by rubl

[OzMick]

Here is that post:

If you read the BP now, you can see, for example, that a building in a newly oped Red Shirt village in Songkla province was burned down by opponents.

Please tell how an alleged post from

"one of the red-huggers on this forum posted something to the extent than an entire red village had been burnt to the ground somewhere down south"

is transformed in your mind to be this post from Nick Nostitz

If you read the BP now, you can see, for example, that a building in a newly oped Red Shirt village in Songkla province was burned down by opponents.

building

noun structure, house, construction, dwelling, erection, edifice, domicile, pile

Actually that does seem to be the post I read, rather late at night. What my sketchy memory of the rather small item in a larger post has done to cause your moral outrage, or why it's directed at someone helping jog my memory, I'm not sure. But do go on, enjoy yourself.

[GentlemanJim]

This whole story is ludicrous. The structure that was burned was similar to what you would find someone selling Pineapples in or somewhere that motorbike taxi drivers sit during the day. Someone has stuck a couple of red flags on there and a ,' welcome to our red village' sign and suddenly it is afforded the status of a 'red pavillion' and there is an inter party fight about it. This place is mind boggling sometimes.

[FOODLOVER]

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Edited May 17, 2012 by FOODLOVER