Red Shirts To Commemorate Bangkok's 2010 Crackdown

[toenail]

Yes...and how did this whole mess get started?

[GentlemanJim]

I wonder how many Red Shirt supporters at this event will be protesting about:

[*]Nobody being held accountable for deaths, no truths being revealed about the deaths, and the proposed amnesty being used to whitewash everyone who may have been held accountable and should be prosecuted

Human Rights Watch organization called for the withdrawal of an amnesty bill submitted to Parliament that would protect those involved in the 2010 abuses from prosecution.

Director of the Asia Division of Human Rights Watch Brad Adams criticized the government for failing to hold military personnel accountable.

The ruling Pheu Thai Party and coalition partners proposed on March 27 an amnesty for all of those who were involved in the 2010 violence, including leaders and supporters of political movements, politicians, government officials, and members of the security forces.

http://thailand-busi...ts#.T7V_hFbTD1k

It'll be interesting to see how Thida's Reds rectify the above with the below :

"We want to state that the red shirts still exist, and we still want the truth to come out and justice for the dead"

Nearly right.

Have a look at the other paper.

So why is the 'other' paper right and this one wrong? Or is the right paper the one that suits your agenda?

[philw]

What might be the "agenda" of the other unmentionable Bangkok newspaper ????

[Siripon]

The DSI are saying the military were responsible for at least 25 of the deaths and the UDD for at least 12,

the evidence was not clear enough to place blame for the other 52 deaths.

So the UDD are responsible for almost half the deaths at present.

I hope they mention this at Ratchaprasong.

[GentlemanJim]

What might be the "agenda" of the other unmentionable Bangkok newspaper ????

The agenda is with you not the other paper.

Is your comprehension so poor that you did not see that or are you just being deliberately being aggressive and obtrusive?

Edited May 18, 2012 by GentlemanJim

[Woodcaulk]

One big joke to you isn't it?

The big joke...and it is a big sad joke, is the entire redturd movement (no pun intended). Manipulated by a convicted criminal, (even if you don't recognize as legitimate those who convicted him, you know dam_n well he was guilty of fraud,corruption and plundering the nation whose best interest he was supposed to be looking after) who wouldn't walk across the road to piss in their ear if what little brains they have were on fire.

And for what?...Those at the bottom of that food chain are only in it for a small short-lived handout that will do nothing of lasting substance to improve their quality of life. Those further up the chain covet the power to be corrupt as the one who manipulates them albeit on a smaller scale. Mingleing in their midst are dumb plow animals masquerading as foot-soldiers more than happy to foment violence regardless of the consequences that include destroying lives, lively-hoods, personal property and the general well-being of their fellow countrymen.....I wouldn't give a pinch of dried owl shit for the whole bunch of them or some on this site....the arm-chair anarchist and faithful followers of the religion of "anti". Anti-govt., anti-establishment, anti-anything that keeps them searching for meaning in their incomplete personalities, incomplete thought process and perpetually misguided lives.

Edited May 18, 2012 by Woodcaulk

[hyperdimension]

The DSI claims that of 89 deaths:

• 25 deaths may have been caused by state authorities
  
• At least 12 people died as a result of the actions of members of the UDD
  
• Responsibility for the other 52 deaths could not yet be determined
  

[AleG]

Thida: "We want to state that the red shirts still exist, and we still want the truth to come out and justice for the dead"

So they are going to give the names and descriptions of the armed men among them, right?

crickets

[phiphidon]

Human Rights Watch organization called for the withdrawal of an amnesty bill submitted to Parliament that would protect those involved in the 2010 abuses from prosecution.

Director of the Asia Division of Human Rights Watch Brad Adams criticized the government for failing to hold military personnel accountable.

The ruling Pheu Thai Party and coalition partners proposed on March 27 an amnesty for all of those who were involved in the 2010 violence, including leaders and supporters of political movements, politicians, government officials, and members of the security forces.

http://thailand-busi...ts#.T7V_hFbTD1k

It'll be interesting to see how Thida's Reds rectify the above with the below :

"We want to state that the red shirts still exist, and we still want the truth to come out and justice for the dead"

Things have moved on, slowly, since the publication of the HRW report

Despite initial progress by the commission, only 16 cases have so far been sent to the Department of Special Investigations (DSI) to the prosecutor to launch post-mortem inquests. The process has been slow, and to Adams, this indicates that “the military does not want these investigations to go further”.

It has now been found that the armed forces were "maybe" responsible for at least 25 of the deaths during the 2010 clashes. Still too slow, but a step in the right direction. Maybe some day we'll see some accountability on the military side....................

[hyperdimension]

Maybe some day we'll see some accountability on the military side....................

Probably not, and neither on Thaksin's side, as he wants a big whitewash of all sides.

[webfact]

Constitution Court delivering verdict at 10.30am on parliamentary status of UDD co-leader Jatuporn /MCOT

[dru2]

And here we go, chalk up those hit's for the thai visa advertising department.

Red Shirt leader Thida Thavornseth said more than 100,000 people from across the country could converge on Bangkok for the 12-hour gathering at the Ratchaprasong intersection, close to upmarket hotels and shopping malls.

http://www.channelne...1201891/1/.html

Thanks for adding the link. So now we have a "will" and a "could", makes you wonder what Ms. Thida said in Thai ?

Now you're thinking......................

edit to add, my last post on numbers, I'm bored already.

Good, because I've been bored with you for around two years now.

[phiphidon]

Maybe some day we'll see some accountability on the military side....................

Probably not, and neither on Thaksin's side, as he wants a big whitewash of all sides.

He may do but I can't speak for him and neither can you.

What is vitally important, for the first time in Thailands history of violent acts, mainly by the military, but obviously by some by red or black shirts (to be determined who actually was armed, reds or blacks or some mixed proportion thereof), accountability can be apportioned. There is a report available with names redacted, so someone has names of those responsible.

Of course what we don't know is what pressure is being applied as to whether those names will see the light of day and it is an easy and lazy argument to say that the PTP want an amnesty.

It may not be up to them or anyone else in the long run.

Edited May 18, 2012 by phiphidon

[phiphidon]

Now you're thinking......................

edit to add, my last post on numbers, I'm bored already.

Good, because I've been bored with you for around two years now.

see that ignore button.....................

[oldsailor35]

first time I read 102 died

not the first time I read 100,000 are supposed to come

.

I shall look forward to the numerous posts from the usual suspects crowing over the number of red shirts attending................

So someone dares to have an opinion in opposition to phipidon !..........what an arrogant self opinionated person you are.

[gand]

Human Rights Watch organization called for the withdrawal of an amnesty bill submitted to Parliament that would protect those involved in the 2010 abuses from prosecution.

Director of the Asia Division of Human Rights Watch Brad Adams criticized the government for failing to hold military personnel accountable.

The ruling Pheu Thai Party and coalition partners proposed on March 27 an amnesty for all of those who were involved in the 2010 violence, including leaders and supporters of political movements, politicians, government officials, and members of the security forces.

http://thailand-busi...ts#.T7V_hFbTD1k

It'll be interesting to see how Thida's Reds rectify the above with the below :

"We want to state that the red shirts still exist, and we still want the truth to come out and justice for the dead"

Things have moved on, slowly, since the publication of the HRW report

Despite initial progress by the commission, only 16 cases have so far been sent to the Department of Special Investigations (DSI) to the prosecutor to launch post-mortem inquests. The process has been slow, and to Adams, this indicates that “the military does not want these investigations to go further”.

It has now been found that the armed forces were "maybe" responsible for at least 25 of the deaths during the 2010 clashes. Still too slow, but a step in the right direction. Maybe some day we'll see some accountability on the military side....................

Maybe some day we'll see some accountability on the 'red shirt' side. The Perps in that failed coup attempt.

[phiphidon]

first time I read 102 died

not the first time I read 100,000 are supposed to come

.

I shall look forward to the numerous posts from the usual suspects crowing over the number of red shirts attending................

So someone dares to have an opinion in opposition to phipidon !..........what an arrogant self opinionated person you are.

Have as many opinions as you like, I'm just saying that if it is anything like the times before there are endless posts arguing about how many people attended a rally. If you think that that makes for good forum reading, you'll be in your element.

And if you think me saying that makes arrogant and self opinionated, well that's your opinion, I'm not stopping you from having that opinion.

I really don't think we have anything more to say to each other, unless you have more insults for me.

edit to add : Oh and I've just realised who you were supporting...............

Edited May 18, 2012 by phiphidon

[phiphidon]

Things have moved on, slowly, since the publication of the HRW report

Despite initial progress by the commission, only 16 cases have so far been sent to the Department of Special Investigations (DSI) to the prosecutor to launch post-mortem inquests. The process has been slow, and to Adams, this indicates that “the military does not want these investigations to go further”.

It has now been found that the armed forces were "maybe" responsible for at least 25 of the deaths during the 2010 clashes. Still too slow, but a step in the right direction. Maybe some day we'll see some accountability on the military side....................

Maybe some day we'll see some accountability on the 'red shirt' side. The Perps in that failed coup attempt.

In case it escaped your attention several hundred red shirts have been through the justice system, served or are still serving their sentence/s and a large number of UDD leaders are on bail awaiting trial for "terrorism" and other charges.

On the Security Services side we have........................................

[gand]

Things have moved on, slowly, since the publication of the HRW report

Despite initial progress by the commission, only 16 cases have so far been sent to the Department of Special Investigations (DSI) to the prosecutor to launch post-mortem inquests. The process has been slow, and to Adams, this indicates that “the military does not want these investigations to go further”.

It has now been found that the armed forces were "maybe" responsible for at least 25 of the deaths during the 2010 clashes. Still too slow, but a step in the right direction. Maybe some day we'll see some accountability on the military side....................

Maybe some day we'll see some accountability on the 'red shirt' side. The Perps in that failed coup attempt.

In case it escaped your attention several hundred red shirts have been through the justice system, served or are still serving their sentence/s and a large number of UDD leaders are on bail awaiting trial for "terrorism" and other charges.

On the Security Services side we have........................................

When will Thaksin start serving his time? And face his other charges?

[hyperdimension]

In case it escaped your attention several hundred red shirts have been through the justice system, served or are still serving their sentence/s and a large number of UDD leaders are on bail awaiting trial for "terrorism" and other charges.

On the Security Services side we have........................................

When will Thaksin start serving his time? And face his other charges?

I think he'd prefer that he was as untouchable as the military have historically been, instead of everyone, no matter how powerful, being held accountable for any wrongdoings.

[Bluespunk]

Hey reddies, enjoy your little rally, just don't storm any hospitals looking for imaginary foes, fire grenades at BTS stations or try to burn down Bangkok while you're here.

[Buchholz]

Human Rights Watch organization called for the withdrawal of an amnesty bill submitted to Parliament that would protect those involved in the 2010 abuses from prosecution.

Director of the Asia Division of Human Rights Watch Brad Adams criticized the government for failing to hold military personnel accountable.

The ruling Pheu Thai Party and coalition partners proposed on March 27 an amnesty for all of those who were involved in the 2010 violence, including leaders and supporters of political movements, politicians, government officials, and members of the security forces.

http://thailand-busi...ts#.T7V_hFbTD1k

It'll be interesting to see how Thida's Reds rectify the above with the below :

"We want to state that the red shirts still exist, and we still want the truth to come out and justice for the dead"

Things have moved on, slowly, since the publication of the HRW report

HRW and Adams' comment's above are only hours old.

.

[Buchholz]

Maybe some day we'll see some accountability on the military side....................

Probably not, and neither on Thaksin's side, as he wants a big whitewash of all sides.

Amnesty for all says the PTP.

Not sure what they'll tell the dead Red Shirt family members who expect something different.

.

[phiphidon]

Things have moved on, slowly, since the publication of the HRW report

HRW and Adams' comment's above are only hours old.

.

The new HRW article, Thailand: Two Years After Crackdown, Still No Justice is dated 14th May was posted/tweeted on the 15th May. The link you posted was an article by Yukari Sekine dated indeed the 17th July.

However from the original HRW article dated 14th May has this quote

The investigation by the Department of Special Investigations (DSI) has progressed slowly. Of the more than 90 known deaths, only 16 cases have been sent by the DSI to the prosecutor to launch post-mortem inquests.

which is fair enough as they had written and published the article before the DSI announcement of 25 deaths "maybe" attributable to the security forces and 12 deaths attributable to the red/black shirts on the 17th May.

So yes, HRW and Adams' comment's above are only hours old, about 48 hours + old.

[metisdead]

A post containing a video with graphic images has been removed.

[webfact]

Update

Police, red shirts prepare for second anniversary commemoration

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Police plan to deploy more than 1,000 police to the red shirts' commemoration of the second anniversary of the political violence at Ratchaprasong intersection on Saturday.

Pol Maj Gen Methee Kusonsang, deputy metropolitan commissioner, said bomb squad police will be deployed on Friday to screen the area. He added that police deployed to the ceremony would come from several police departments, including special forces, crime suppression as well from 191 emergency hotline respondents.

He said police had already talked with and sought cooperation from red shirt chief Thida Thavornset and Ratchaprasong traders' chief, Chai Srivikorn, about the organisation of the event.

It is estimated there may be more than 50,000 red shirts joining the commemoration, which will start in the afternoon.

Thida claimed earlier that there would be about 100,000 people coming to Ratchaprasong Road in memory of those who died. "We want to state that the red shirts still exist, and we still want the truth to come out and justice for the dead," she said.

Methee told reporters that police have asked for cooperation in not allowing parking of vehicles in the area of the event to provide space for those attending the commemoration.

Four checkpoints operated by police and red shirts' guards would be set up at the Chidlom intersection in front of Mater Dei School, Pratunam, Chalermpao and Rajadamri Intersections.

"There will be more than 1,000 police deployed to provide safety for the commemoration," he said.

The red shirts are asked not to set up a stage at the Ratchaprasong intersection to allow traffic to flow on Rama I Road, he said, adding that the stage will face the Pratunam area.

The tentative schedule of the ceremony will include a video link by fugitive ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra at 8pm and a candle-lit ceremony at 9pm.

-- The Nation 2012-05-18

[TheCure]

Well all the revisionists on this site who claimed that the army never shot anyone, got a big slap on their faces today when the DSI confirmed that at least 26 of the 92 deaths have been caused by the Army .

Shame on you for negating the obvious for so long .

[whybother]

Well all the revisionists on this site who claimed that the army never shot anyone, got a big slap on their faces today when the DSI confirmed that at least 26 of the 92 deaths have been caused by the Army .

Shame on you for negating the obvious for so long .

"all the revisionists on this site who claimed that the army never shot anyone"

All 2 of them?

[AleG]

Well all the revisionists on this site who claimed that the army never shot anyone, got a big slap on their faces today when the DSI confirmed that at least 26 of the 92 deaths have been caused by the Army .

Shame on you for negating the obvious for so long .

"all the revisionists on this site who claimed that the army never shot anyone"

All 2 of them?

More like 0... the ones inside TheCure's head don't count.

[GentlemanJim]

so have the reds started turning up yet in Bangkok, has anybody been past the area to see?