Red Shirts Told To Fight 'Attempts To Unseat Govt'

[bigbamboo]

name='tlansford' timestamp='1338732980' post='5358384']

what an evil man - all I see here is stiring hate

These are sad and bad times for Thailand, I just hope that my speculation is wrong

and for those that think there is a democracy here - well that is simply not the case, the infratructure is not there to support it and is open to abuse which is exactly what is taking place right now, I don't agree with military intervention but I am glad they are there when it all goes wrong - seems pretty obvious that is what is happening right now - it's all going wrong

so how do you fix it - well you install and interim government and let them place rigid structures to support democracy like a constitution and indipendant judicial system then at some point when it's all in place and provides a good solid base you proceed to the polls - oh wait hasn't that already happened and the new government is trying to dismantle it all - it seems the Thais just don't get it and quite a few on here don't get it either

Do you think Obama should be able to rewrite the Amercan constitution because he doesn't like some of it or it's incriminating his brother....ahem

Thais just haven't grasped the concept of democracy and that is the problem - they think if elected they can do whatever they want and that is dangerous and wrong - they must work within a set of rules and this government is trying to rewrite them to suit their own ends and that is just wrong

"I don't agree with military intervention but I am glad they are there when it all goes wrong - seems pretty obvious that is what is happening right now - it's all going wrong"

IOW, you don't agree with military intervention, but coups are still ok...

"... install and interim government and let them place rigid structures to support democracy like a constitution ..."

IOW, the charter changes are wrong, but an interim government in order to create a new constitution is still ok...

" ... Thais just haven't grasped the concept of democracy ..."

IOW, Amazing Thailand Farangs

[/u]

Thailand has a charter voted for by the people. Thailand has a government voted for by the people. That is democracy.

What is not democratic is to forcibly change the charter voted for by the people for the benefit of an individual. That is dictatorship.

[GentlemanJim]

In response to Gentleman Jim.

Sure, she is the PM and does not have to read every line of every piece of potential legislation prior to debate.

It is the duty of parliament to do that and to then to debate and accept or change such potential legislation, within the framework of the parliamentary rules.

Sadly, that appears to be too difficult for AV and his party who prefer boorish, thuggish and juvenile actions instead of debate and amendment.

No doubt they have their reasons for such tactics but they don't look very mature, responsible or parliamentarian.............

Clear now ?

A quite unbelievable response.

She stated she has not seen the Reconciliation bill, a piece of legislation bringing the country to the brink of civil war, and she is PM. Making an excuse for her (which I knew you would) is the height of folly. Thanks for not letting us down.

[letitbe]

to many quotes but in reply to this

If the people have made a mistake they will learn in time and next time vote the opposite way accordingly. I dont think the way forward is to get to the situation where the army just keep removing the government and istalling another one, even if it is better. This will just increase the resentment. In time people will see which party is the best for them, and vote accordingly. We cannot keep trying to force parties on people, they need to see their mistakes and change.]

and you really think if Taksin can get control of the army he wont just turn Thailand into his own 1 party state same as Mugabwie and the rest but hopefully the army will save thais from themselves

once again and id rather have the army than Taksin any day. You people have never lived through a Mugabwie or Pol Pot or rest and are IMO completely and dangerously naive but of ocurse

itf worse comes to worse you wont suffer will you

[OzMick]

In response to Gentleman Jim.

Sure, she is the PM and does not have to read every line of every piece of potential legislation prior to debate.

It is the duty of parliament to do that and to then to debate and accept or change such potential legislation, within the framework of the parliamentary rules.

Sadly, that appears to be too difficult for AV and his party who prefer boorish, thuggish and juvenile actions instead of debate and amendment.

No doubt they have their reasons for such tactics but they don't look very mature, responsible or parliamentarian.............

Clear now ?

The PM is the leader of the party and bears the ultimate responsibility for any legislation endorsed by her party. As this piece of legislation contains a massive self interest for both herself personally and for members of her party, you don't think it would be due diligence to read it before endorsing it?

As you consider that she is not required to read legislation, and she refuses to enter parliament to debate it, what exactly is her function? Puppet?

And before you say "to represent the people of Thailand", that is the function of the head of state or his appointed representative.

[thaicbr]

In response to Gentleman Jim.

Sure, she is the PM and does not have to read every line of every piece of potential legislation prior to debate.

It is the duty of parliament to do that and to then to debate and accept or change such potential legislation, within the framework of the parliamentary rules.

Sadly, that appears to be too difficult for AV and his party who prefer boorish, thuggish and juvenile actions instead of debate and amendment.

No doubt they have their reasons for such tactics but they don't look very mature, responsible or parliamentarian.............

Clear now ?

1st Yingluck is asking the people to read and understand something she has not done herself. She is Prime Minister of Thailand at least in name if not action.

Also you can only debate a bill if your allowed the time to debate it rather than having said bill forced to a vote before time by a parliamentary speaker bought and paid for by the ruling Phua Thai party.

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[CockneyGit]

If just for once the PTP could see the bigger picture, if they distance themselves frm the entire Shinawatra family then they could be in power for a long time as they will always win the popular vote.

Thaksin is the main beef for the opposition, remove this "hot potato" and anything else they come up with would just look petty.

It's not rocket surgery!

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[GentlemanJim]

If just for once the PTP could see the bigger picture, if they distance themselves frm the entire Shinawatra family then they could be in power for a long time as they will always win the popular vote.

Thaksin is the main beef for the opposition, remove this "hot potato" and anything else they come up with would just look petty.

It's not rocket surgery!

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It's not rocket science either

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[bigbamboo]

In response to Gentleman Jim.

Sure, she is the PM and does not have to read every line of every piece of potential legislation prior to debate.

It is the duty of parliament to do that and to then to debate and accept or change such potential legislation, within the framework of the parliamentary rules.

Sadly, that appears to be too difficult for AV and his party who prefer boorish, thuggish and juvenile actions instead of debate and amendment.

No doubt they have their reasons for such tactics but they don't look very mature, responsible or parliamentarian.............

Clear now ?

The PM is the leader of the party and bears the ultimate responsibility for any legislation endorsed by her party. As this piece of legislation contains a massive self interest for both herself personally and for members of her party, you don't think it would be due diligence to read it before endorsing it?

As you consider that she is not required to read legislation, and she refuses to enter parliament to debate it, what exactly is her function? Puppet?

And before you say "to represent the people of Thailand", that is the function of the head of state or his appointed representative.

Obviously the PM is busy with overseas trips and probably finds politics a bit difficult but it doesn't excuse the fact that she is either being negligent or dishonest, neither of which is good enough.

[rixalex]

Pouring blood and throwing shoes at a picture......The gall of it !!!!

How dare they.

Not gall, stupidity and senselessness.

[ginjag]

Because the P.M. avoids her normal duties, swanning off at any appointment given,(all being important). Protecting her family and interests seems to be her priorities, aggravating a society into a hornets nest, and on the other hand is asking Thai people to unite together, ???? is the P.M. for real ???

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[volk666]

Does anyone expect the PM to sit down and read through all the four versions of Reconciliation Bill? She has people who can do that for her and give her the bullet points. If she doesn't want to burden her own staff, those bullet points were published in the newspapers for everyone to read and compare.

She said those things about not being familiar with the bill most likely on advice from her handlers and it was a message to her supporters and so should be judged on how successful it was with PTP voters. At the moment no one knows yet what people on the ground think of the latest developments.

It seems there's no limit to what kind of crap can be fed to reds. Dems and PAD opposing one single bill is presented as an attempt to overthrow the government and usurp power, and reds seem to be buying it. Thaksin phones in and mentions his 46 billion that need to be returned while Yingluck says it's not about the money. One day Thaksin tells them to go home and don't stir the pot, next day he needs them on the barricades to get back what was taken from him.

Are reds really that stupid to swallow all this, or is it just their leaders who think reds will happily support whatever outrageous BS they feed them?

Now, the optimists amongst us hope that one day reds will see through all these games and establish themselves as their own, democratic force. I'm a pessimist in this regard, I don't think they'll ever amount to anything but being pawns in political games and, occasionally, a real cannon fodder. If some of them go beyond that, they'll stop being reds.

I mean it from the POV that in every society there's a gullible class ready to be exploited, the society won't be complete without them, but only few political players leverage that class to the tilt to fight their battles, most notably communists and fascists.

[tlansford]

Wonderful that a poster who has been here but a short time is according to his mind an expert on Thai politics.

I recall that particular poster maligning The Nation a short while back for making comments on the French political situation when according to him The Nations reporters and its foreign feeds knew nothing at all and were in his view wannabe experts and had no right to pass comments on the matter.

Now that same poster is in the same light as the publication he criticized.

Thaksin and his family and their cronies are odious self serving despots nothing more nothing less yet these failed political activists from the west who still support that despotic group still can't or even refuse to understand those basic facts.

IOW, Amazing Thailand Farangs .

The expression, Pot,, kettle , black springs to mind.'.

LOL

You are hilariously OT and just plain wrong to boot.

But keep up the good work !

[volk666]

First poll results are in and they are not favorable for Reconciliation Bills at all.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Deferral-of-debate-wins-wide-support-30183449.html

[wildorchid]

I will take out my red shirt iron it and wear it with pride!!!, red flag infront of my business, and home.

The people have voted,(spoken) fair and clearly win govt. and again, red shirts elected, that is power of the people, if anyone wants another party in power then vote, or if you are not able to vote (falang) then TUFF LUCK... welcome to democercy.

[Thaddeus]

I will take out my red shirt iron it and wear it with pride!!!, red flag infront of my business, and home.

The people have voted,(spoken) fair and clearly win govt. and again, red shirts elected, that is power of the people, if anyone wants another party in power then vote, or if you are not able to vote (falang) then TUFF LUCK... welcome to democercy.

I bet you don't even know what democercy means.

[MikeOboe57]

I will take out my red shirt iron it and wear it with pride!!!, red flag infront of my business, and home.

The people have voted,(spoken) fair and clearly win govt. and again, red shirts elected, that is power of the people, if anyone wants another party in power then vote, or if you are not able to vote (falang) then TUFF LUCK... welcome to democercy.

No problem with that. In many western countries a lot of blonde bimbos share the same feeling (getting screwed by a billionaire). The only difference is that they make money from it.

[rubl]

I will take out my red shirt iron it and wear it with pride!!!, red flag infront of my business, and home.

The people have voted,(spoken) fair and clearly win govt. and again, red shirts elected, that is power of the people, if anyone wants another party in power then vote, or if you are not able to vote (falang) then TUFF LUCK... welcome to democercy.

I bet you don't even know what democercy means.

But I can spell

[Buchholz]

Pouring blood and throwing shoes at a picture......The gall of it !!!!

How dare they.

Not gall, stupidity and senselessness.

And in the case of sloshing HIV+ blood around.... dangerous.

Stupid, senseless, and dangerous. Good summation of the movement.

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[metisdead]

Constant one liner troll posts are becoming increasingly tiresome, posts removed, stop trolling. A flame post was removed as well.

[rixalex]

I will take out my red shirt iron it and wear it with pride!!!, red flag infront of my business, and home.

The people have voted,(spoken) fair and clearly win govt. and again, red shirts elected, that is power of the people, if anyone wants another party in power then vote, or if you are not able to vote (falang) then TUFF LUCK... welcome to democercy.

Although i may have some issues with how they went about it, I don't question PTPs right to be in power, nor do i wish for them to be pushed out of power by the military or by mobs on streets.

What i do question is what they have a right to do with power. Democracy does not mean the winners get given carte blanche to do entirely as they please.

Before you do any further "democracy welcoming", why not take a minute to find out what it means?

[fullcave]

Hooray for Cambodian style democracy!

[philw]

Pouring blood and throwing shoes at a picture......The gall of it !!!!

How dare they.

Not gall, stupidity and senselessness.

And in the case of sloshing HIV+ blood around.... dangerous.

Stupid, senseless, and dangerous. Good summation of the movement.

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How long does the HIV virus survive in exposed blood ??

Please stop the scaremongering about what was essentially a bit of Thai political theater....

[rixalex]

Pouring blood and throwing shoes at a picture......The gall of it !!!!

How dare they.

Not gall, stupidity and senselessness.

And in the case of sloshing HIV+ blood around.... dangerous.

Stupid, senseless, and dangerous. Good summation of the movement.

.

How long does the HIV virus survive in exposed blood ??

Please stop the scaremongering about what was essentially a bit of Thai political theater....

They should have used red paint then.

[Yunla]

It was HEP+ as well as HIV+, and one certain danger is that they were doing extractions on a bit of pavement in hot and dirty setting, not in the sterile environment of a hospital. Local nurses came down to help out at one point, but infact when HIV/HEP+ needles and equipment were being used by untrained and often drunk people the risks of transfer of disease between redmob members seems high. It is also disrespectful to conduct oneself in such a manner at the gates of government, and a bad example to children regarding medical safety. There are other far better ways to have your voice heard than that grisly display.

Edited June 4, 2012 by Yunla

[Buchholz]

Not gall, stupidity and senselessness.

And in the case of sloshing HIV+ blood around.... dangerous.

Stupid, senseless, and dangerous. Good summation of the movement.

How long does the HIV virus survive in exposed blood ??

Please stop the scaremongering about what was essentially a bit of Thai political theater....

Proper concern over contaminated blood is not scaremongering, however, attempting to downplay its significance is apologetic behavior in the extreme.

There's a reason why hospitals world-wide spend millions of dollars to properly handle blood and to appropriately dispose of blood contaminated items. Scaremongering??

Additionally, HIV is but one of the concerns with whole blood being splattered about and mishandled.

Question:

How long can a virus live outside of the body

Answer:

Each type of virus will respond differently depending on the environmental conditions. In the following the words "live" or "die" are used, although, these terms are slightly inaccurate since a virus is not a living organism. Viruses do have the need for a host, to keep them able to infect other hosts and so they can reproduce, otherwise they are destroyed or neutralized in the environment eventually, except in rare circumstances as mentioned below.

How long will vary depending on multiple factors of environment, type of virus, and type of host. Some scientists give a generalization of a period around 48 hours outside of a host in the air or on surfaces. Others say, under the right circumstances (moist, warm area, low sunlight), a virus can live considerably longer (up to six days). And there are others who speak of some types under some conditions that can live even up to two weeks or more.

Influenza viruses have estimates that range from two hours, to two days, to two weeks. And the Rhinovirus of the common cold is similar.

Still other viruses can survive for long periods of time, in the harshest of environments, even space. They enter a "starvation" state or drying, where they become mostly inactive, however they can still be re-active once inside a host or under the right conditions.

http://wiki.answers....ide_of_the_body

Edited June 4, 2012 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

They should have used red paint then.

After being roundly condemned by most sensible and knowledgeable people, that's exactly what they did subsequent to the Great Blood Splashing of March 2010.

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[Buchholz]

It was HEP+ as well as HIV+, and one certain danger is that they were doing extractions on a bit of pavement in hot and dirty setting, not in the sterile environment of a hospital. Local nurses came down to help out at one point, but infact when HIV/HEP+ needles and equipment were being used by untrained and often drunk people the risks of transfer of disease between redmob members seems high. It is also disrespectful to conduct oneself in such a manner at the gates of government, and a bad example to children regarding medical safety. There are other far better ways to have your voice heard than that grisly display.

and once again, it was the Red Shirts misuse/abuse of children in their actions that many find most deplorable:

Link to Photo:

http://photo-journ.com/about-photo-journalist-john-le-fevre-contact-details/my-2010-fcct-photo-competition-entries/#axzz1wmoYaS32

To demonstrate their willingness to spill their own blood to achieve political reform, thousands of red-shirt protesters donated blood that was later to be spilled at the gates of the parliament, amongst them this 11-year-old boy

[nottocus]

And the path to civil war continues.

Hope you got your affairs in order people because it ain't gonna be pretty.

Don't be such a drama queen.

It's gonna go off baby...it's gonna go off. Just hope there aren't too many refugees spilling into, and consequently spoiling surrounding countries.

[wildorchid]

I will take out my red shirt iron it and wear it with pride!!!, red flag infront of my business, and home.

The people have voted,(spoken) fair and clearly win govt. and again, red shirts elected, that is power of the people, if anyone wants another party in power then vote, or if you are not able to vote (falang) then TUFF LUCK... welcome to democercy.

I bet you don't even know what democercy means.

DEMOCRACY,

noun (plural democracies)

(mass noun)

a system of govenment by the whole population or all of the eligible members of the state, typically through elcted representatives:

a system of parliamentary

• (count noun) a state goverend under a system of democracy amultiparty democracy
  
• control of an organization or group by the majority of its members: the intended extension of industrial democracy
  
• the practice or priciples of social equaity; demands for greater democracy
  

(origin): late 16th centuary from frence d'emocratie, via late Latin Greek demokratia, from demos "the people" + - kratia 'power, rule.

"Oxford dictionaries"

• "Government of the people, for the people, by the people"
  
• US president Abraham Lincon (1809-1865)
  

I belive that is ,game set and match, checkmate, your down for the count!!!

[MikeOboe57]

I will take out my red shirt iron it and wear it with pride!!!, red flag infront of my business, and home.

The people have voted,(spoken) fair and clearly win govt. and again, red shirts elected, that is power of the people, if anyone wants another party in power then vote, or if you are not able to vote (falang) then TUFF LUCK... welcome to democercy.

I bet you don't even know what democercy means.

DEMOCRACY,

noun (plural democracies)

(mass noun)

a system of govenment by the whole population or all of the eligible members of the state, typically through elcted representatives:

a system of parliamentary

• (count noun) a state goverend under a system of democracy amultiparty democracy
  
• control of an organization or group by the majority of its members: the intended extension of industrial democracy
  
• the practice or priciples of social equaity; demands for greater democracy
  

(origin): late 16th centuary from frence d'emocratie, via late Latin Greek demokratia, from demos "the people" + - kratia 'power, rule.

"Oxford dictionaries"

• "Government of the people, for the people, by the people"
  
• US president Abraham Lincon (1809-1865)
  

I belive that is ,game set and match, checkmate, your down for the count!!!

It isn't, as you needed a dictionary to explain it. Even Jatuporn could have managed that.