belg Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 they don't did any bids for software developpers to have actually something worth learning onto the tablets? or all they all enjoying angry birds ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferangled Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Ferangled said. "2 out of 2288 equates to 0.04% failure rate. I'm interested as to what you would consider an acceptable failure rate?" well maybe the government measure would be a good starter..which is "Under the rules of the inspection, Chinnaphat said 500 units would be selected randomly from every 35,000 units, and only seven units were allowed to fail the test for the 35,000-unit lot to pass." Personally it would depend on what is contracted as a failure rate. how many get replaced ? is it only 7 out of 35,000, 7 out of 500 or ALL faulty units. Ferangled said. You do like to throw out totally random made up statistics don't you?! Care to back this up with some actual figures rather than just throwing a random % out based purely on your imagination? Answer.. Phua Thai originally announced one tablet per child. Not one tablet per P1. Also note free wifi. dunno were that is. do you? Ferangled said. Your previous post is highly misleading in that the Nation actually reported 730,000 tablets, as did numerous other sources, while your Malaysian source, Bernama reported 73,000. Do you have any evidence to suggest which figure is correct or are you just cherry picking what suits your post best? I have no idea.. but based on prev statements from MOE they would be way ahead of shedule. Please try the quote function that has kindly been provided by the forum, it's rather handy and doesn't get into this he said, she said nonsense. You seem to be quoting me but not actually refuting or replying to any of my points. Please feel free to post whatever you like but don't make nonsense non-replies to my posts, it's pointless. I'll make it very simple for you... 2 out of 2288 equates to 0.04% failure rate - acceptable or not, yes or no - You do like to throw out totally random made up statistics don't you?! Care to back this up with some actual figures rather than just throwing a random % out based purely on your imagination? Hint, this was directly related to the post I replied to so by quoting it out of context it is meaningless! To answer this question requires some statistical reference and basic maths. You did neither, so no, it's not an answer, at least not to my question. We could go on for years on this basis... what colour is your cat? answer what colour is your dog? answer what colour is your cat? etc etc ad nauseum and to no benefit to anyone remotely.... Your previous post is highly misleading in that the Nation actually reported 730,000 tablets, as did numerous other sources, while your Malaysian source, Bernama reported 73,000. Do you have any evidence to suggest which figure is correct or are you just cherry picking what suits your post best? Hint, this was directly related to the post I replied to, which again you have lost by not using the quote function. A common theme but no, your answer doesn't get close to a reply. As the question was posed of another poster, I don't see why you deem yourself in a position to (not) answer this.... For my next trick I will have a conversation with a wall and try and provoke a stimulating and constructive conversation.... something tells me I may have a little more success with my concrete conversationalist.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 (edited) Ferangled said. "2 out of 2288 equates to 0.04% failure rate. I'm interested as to what you would consider an acceptable failure rate?" well maybe the government measure would be a good starter..which is "Under the rules of the inspection, Chinnaphat said 500 units would be selected randomly from every 35,000 units, and only seven units were allowed to fail the test for the 35,000-unit lot to pass." Personally it would depend on what is contracted as a failure rate. how many get replaced ? is it only 7 out of 35,000, 7 out of 500 or ALL faulty units. Ferangled said. You do like to throw out totally random made up statistics don't you?! Care to back this up with some actual figures rather than just throwing a random % out based purely on your imagination? Answer.. Phua Thai originally announced one tablet per child. Not one tablet per P1. Also note free wifi. dunno were that is. do you? Ferangled said. Your previous post is highly misleading in that the Nation actually reported 730,000 tablets, as did numerous other sources, while your Malaysian source, Bernama reported 73,000. Do you have any evidence to suggest which figure is correct or are you just cherry picking what suits your post best? I have no idea.. but based on prev statements from MOE they would be way ahead of shedule. Please try the quote function that has kindly been provided by the forum, it's rather handy and doesn't get into this he said, she said nonsense. You seem to be quoting me but not actually refuting or replying to any of my points. Please feel free to post whatever you like but don't make nonsense non-replies to my posts, it's pointless. I'll make it very simple for you... 2 out of 2288 equates to 0.04% failure rate - acceptable or not, yes or no - You do like to throw out totally random made up statistics don't you?! Care to back this up with some actual figures rather than just throwing a random % out based purely on your imagination? Hint, this was directly related to the post I replied to so by quoting it out of context it is meaningless! To answer this question requires some statistical reference and basic maths. You did neither, so no, it's not an answer, at least not to my question. We could go on for years on this basis... what colour is your cat? answer what colour is your dog? answer what colour is your cat? etc etc ad nauseum and to no benefit to anyone remotely.... Your previous post is highly misleading in that the Nation actually reported 730,000 tablets, as did numerous other sources, while your Malaysian source, Bernama reported 73,000. Do you have any evidence to suggest which figure is correct or are you just cherry picking what suits your post best? Hint, this was directly related to the post I replied to, which again you have lost by not using the quote function. A common theme but no, your answer doesn't get close to a reply. As the question was posed of another poster, I don't see why you deem yourself in a position to (not) answer this.... For my next trick I will have a conversation with a wall and try and provoke a stimulating and constructive conversation.... something tells me I may have a little more success with my concrete conversationalist.... It would probably be good if you had a conversation with a wall it may understand you and you may be able to change the question with out it noticing.. As far as answering you would actually have to be willing to read the answers. which you do not seem willing to do? oh i used the quote feature lovely waste of space, It's certainly easier just to write what you said if i'm only answering that small part. Edited July 25, 2012 by thaicbr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 (edited) Like it or not, the Government appears to be honouring this campaign promise. so far it seems they've honored around 1% of their promised 11,000,000 tablets. Only 99% more to go. . You do like to throw out totally random made up statistics don't you?! Care to back this up with some actual figures rather than just throwing a random % out based purely on your imagination? Your previous post is highly misleading in that the Nation actually reported 730,000 tablets, as did numerous other sources, while your Malaysian source, Bernama reported 73,000. Do you have any evidence to suggest which figure is correct or are you just cherry picking what suits your post best? http://www.nationmul...e-30186897.html http://news.thaivisu...mputers-arrive/ You do like to throw out totally random made up false comments about me, don't you? I'm being generous when I say there's been a total of around 100,000 tablets delivered... out of the 11,000,000 promised. What are the "numerous other sources" that say it's 730,000? Both of the links you posted are for the same source, The Nation's article. Here's another source quoting the 73,000 figure. It's TNA, the Thai News Agency. http://www.oananews....ed-thai-schools It's also common sense, as rubl points out earlier, that larger number isn't due for weeks. . Edited July 25, 2012 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferangled Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Like it or not, the Government appears to be honouring this campaign promise. so far it seems they've honored around 1% of their promised 11,000,000 tablets. Only 99% more to go. . You do like to throw out totally random made up statistics don't you?! Care to back this up with some actual figures rather than just throwing a random % out based purely on your imagination? Your previous post is highly misleading in that the Nation actually reported 730,000 tablets, as did numerous other sources, while your Malaysian source, Bernama reported 73,000. Do you have any evidence to suggest which figure is correct or are you just cherry picking what suits your post best? http://www.nationmul...e-30186897.html http://news.thaivisu...mputers-arrive/ You do like to throw out totally random made up false comments about me, don't you? I'm being generous when I say there's been a total of around 100,000 tablets delivered... out of the 11,000,000 promised. What are the "numerous other sources" that say it's 730,000? Both of the links you posted are for the same source, The Nation's article. Here's another source quoting the 73,000 figure. It's TNA, the Thai News Agency. http://www.oananews....ed-thai-schools It's also common sense, as rubl points out earlier, that larger number isn't due for weeks. . A notable lack of evidence to suggest that anyone has ever ordered or even proposed that 11,000,000 tablets have been promised within any defined time-frame... what a surprise. Regarding the 730,000 or 73,000 I take it you are retracting your statement that the Nation reported 73,000? There are multiple sources quoting 73,000 and 730,000, which is correct? And as for the larger number being on it's way then how exactly did you arrive at your initial 1% and again within what time-frame are we talking? The smoke and mirror tactics continue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferangled Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Ferangled said. "2 out of 2288 equates to 0.04% failure rate. I'm interested as to what you would consider an acceptable failure rate?" well maybe the government measure would be a good starter..which is "Under the rules of the inspection, Chinnaphat said 500 units would be selected randomly from every 35,000 units, and only seven units were allowed to fail the test for the 35,000-unit lot to pass." Personally it would depend on what is contracted as a failure rate. how many get replaced ? is it only 7 out of 35,000, 7 out of 500 or ALL faulty units. Ferangled said. You do like to throw out totally random made up statistics don't you?! Care to back this up with some actual figures rather than just throwing a random % out based purely on your imagination? Answer.. Phua Thai originally announced one tablet per child. Not one tablet per P1. Also note free wifi. dunno were that is. do you? Ferangled said. Your previous post is highly misleading in that the Nation actually reported 730,000 tablets, as did numerous other sources, while your Malaysian source, Bernama reported 73,000. Do you have any evidence to suggest which figure is correct or are you just cherry picking what suits your post best? I have no idea.. but based on prev statements from MOE they would be way ahead of shedule. Please try the quote function that has kindly been provided by the forum, it's rather handy and doesn't get into this he said, she said nonsense. You seem to be quoting me but not actually refuting or replying to any of my points. Please feel free to post whatever you like but don't make nonsense non-replies to my posts, it's pointless. I'll make it very simple for you... 2 out of 2288 equates to 0.04% failure rate - acceptable or not, yes or no - You do like to throw out totally random made up statistics don't you?! Care to back this up with some actual figures rather than just throwing a random % out based purely on your imagination? Hint, this was directly related to the post I replied to so by quoting it out of context it is meaningless! To answer this question requires some statistical reference and basic maths. You did neither, so no, it's not an answer, at least not to my question. We could go on for years on this basis... what colour is your cat? answer what colour is your dog? answer what colour is your cat? etc etc ad nauseum and to no benefit to anyone remotely.... Your previous post is highly misleading in that the Nation actually reported 730,000 tablets, as did numerous other sources, while your Malaysian source, Bernama reported 73,000. Do you have any evidence to suggest which figure is correct or are you just cherry picking what suits your post best? Hint, this was directly related to the post I replied to, which again you have lost by not using the quote function. A common theme but no, your answer doesn't get close to a reply. As the question was posed of another poster, I don't see why you deem yourself in a position to (not) answer this.... For my next trick I will have a conversation with a wall and try and provoke a stimulating and constructive conversation.... something tells me I may have a little more success with my concrete conversationalist.... It would probably be good if you had a conversation with a wall it may understand you and you may be able to change the question with out it noticing.. As far as answering you would actually have to be willing to read the answers. which you do not seem willing to do? oh i used the quote feature lovely waste of space, It's certainly easier just to write what you said if i'm only answering that small part. Sorry I have changed my original questions posed to Buchholz in what way? I appreciate you trying to reply for him but you haven't actually answered any of the questions, just engaged in more misdirection... answering a question with another question or "I have no idea" is just a total waste of time for all involved, hence my comment about talking to a wall, your reply was equally constructive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chotthee Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 The machines, while it is a hoo haa for poor rural Thai kids, most BKK chinese kids won't want to touch them. As they already have the new iPad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 (edited) so far it seems they've honored around 1% of their promised 11,000,000 tablets. Only 99% more to go. . You do like to throw out totally random made up statistics don't you?! Care to back this up with some actual figures rather than just throwing a random % out based purely on your imagination? Your previous post is highly misleading in that the Nation actually reported 730,000 tablets, as did numerous other sources, while your Malaysian source, Bernama reported 73,000. Do you have any evidence to suggest which figure is correct or are you just cherry picking what suits your post best? http://www.nationmul...e-30186897.html http://news.thaivisu...mputers-arrive/ You do like to throw out totally random made up false comments about me, don't you? I'm being generous when I say there's been a total of around 100,000 tablets delivered... out of the 11,000,000 promised. What are the "numerous other sources" that say it's 730,000? Both of the links you posted are for the same source, The Nation's article. Here's another source quoting the 73,000 figure. It's TNA, the Thai News Agency. http://www.oananews....ed-thai-schools It's also common sense, as rubl points out earlier, that larger number isn't due for weeks. . A notable lack of evidence to suggest that anyone has ever ordered or even proposed that 11,000,000 tablets have been promised within any defined time-frame... what a surprise. Regarding the 730,000 or 73,000 I take it you are retracting your statement that the Nation reported 73,000? There are multiple sources quoting 73,000 and 730,000, which is correct? And as for the larger number being on it's way then how exactly did you arrive at your initial 1% and again within what time-frame are we talking? ... The name of the scam is a clue.... OTPC (one table per child).... It's not OTPP1C (one tablet per prathom 1 child).... it's not OTP12C (one tablet per 12 children - only one grade out of 12 grades total). We've been over this before several times before on the forum, but I don't mind re-quoting again for the come-lately newbies full of vitriol, steam, and obfuscation: The numbers and time frame: ===================================================================================== Every student should have a tablet PC by May: Woravat The government's One Tablet PC per Child policy will be fully implemented by May, Education Minister Woravat Auapinyakul pledged yesterday. "We will try to give tablet PCs to all students in primary and secondary school," he said, adding that vocational students would also get the tablets. http://www.thaivisa....by-may-woravat/ ================================================================================== I have nothing to retract as I never said that The Nation quoted 73,000. Just the opposite, they say 730,000 while Bernama and TNA say 73,000. Again you say "multiple sources" say 730,000... but the only source linked you provided was The Nation's article. I would tend to side with the accuracy of the latter two based on past experiences with their reporting versus The Nation's reporting. As said, that huge number isn't consistent with what the previous goal timelines were and the manufacturer's stated capacity of producing 12,228 units per day. My initial 1% comes from the, (being generous again) 100,000 thus far delivered out of the 11,000,000 pledged. It's actually less than 1%, but I rounded up..... to be generous to Yingluck. "All primary, secondary, and vocational students" ≈ 11,000,000 , Edited July 25, 2012 by Buchholz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferangled Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 The name of the scam is a clue.... OTPC (one table per child).... It's not OTPP1C (one tablet per prathom 1 child).... it's not OTP12C (one tablet per 12 children - only one grade out of 12 grades total). We've been over this before several times before on the forum, but I don't mind re-quoting again for the come-lately newbies full of vitriol, steam, and obfuscation: The numbers and time frame: ===================================================================================== Every student should have a tablet PC by May: Woravat The government's One Tablet PC per Child policy will be fully implemented by May, Education Minister Woravat Auapinyakul pledged yesterday. "We will try to give tablet PCs to all students in primary and secondary school," he said, adding that vocational students would also get the tablets. http://www.thaivisa....by-may-woravat/ ================================================================================== I have nothing to retract as I never said that The Nation quoted 73,000. Just the opposite, they say 730,000 while Bernama and TNA say 73,000. Again you say "multiple sources" say 730,000... but the only source linked you provided was The Nation's article. I would tend to side with the accuracy of the latter two based on past experiences with their reporting versus The Nation's reporting. As said, that huge number isn't consistent with what the previous goal timelines were and the manufacturer's stated capacity of producing 12,228 units per day. My initial 1% comes from the, (being generous again) 100,000 thus far delivered out of the 11,000,000 pledged. It's actually less than 1%, but I rounded up..... to be generous to Yingluck. "All primary, secondary, and vocational students" ≈ 11,000,000 , Thanks for the link, your first post on that thread seems to contradict that this was the initial scheme... Buchholz Exemplary Member Advanced Members 11,224 posts Posted 2011-12-15 06:54:26 The ever-changing goal posts. This is a far cry from the latest previous change to issuing tablet computers to only selected first graders. The new change will encompass around providing some 11 million tablet computers.... and in six months. Something tells me this is not the last change in plans for the scheme. and the article gives us no indication of time-frame. Could it not be that ....and pointedly you admit that there is no indication of time-frame. Just thinking rationally here, I realise that's quite a shock being in Thailand, but if you were responsible for implementing such a scheme, would the prudent thing not be to start with 1st graders, issuing each year so that gradually the promise becomes a reality, rather than a mass handout to every single student in one hit? Seems logical to me... My issue being that you start the thread unsure of whether 73,000 or 730,000 tablets have been delivered... perhaps..... it's actually only 10% of what The Nation reported. And then start to conjure up statistics based on "facts" that you are loosely interpreting... so far it seems they've honored around 1% of their promised 11,000,000 tablets. Only 99% more to go. Actually you don't know how many tablets have been delivered or how many are to be delivered this year, next year or the following year, neither do I, how could we? We don't even know the numbers of this shipment due to the conflicting reports but from that you start fabricating statistics and throwing them out there as proof that campaign promises are not being kept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 The name of the scam is a clue.... OTPC (one table per child).... It's not OTPP1C (one tablet per prathom 1 child).... it's not OTP12C (one tablet per 12 children - only one grade out of 12 grades total). We've been over this before several times before on the forum, but I don't mind re-quoting again for the come-lately newbies full of vitriol, steam, and obfuscation: The numbers and time frame: ===================================================================================== Every student should have a tablet PC by May: Woravat The government's One Tablet PC per Child policy will be fully implemented by May, Education Minister Woravat Auapinyakul pledged yesterday. "We will try to give tablet PCs to all students in primary and secondary school," he said, adding that vocational students would also get the tablets. http://www.thaivisa....by-may-woravat/ ================================================================================== I have nothing to retract as I never said that The Nation quoted 73,000. Just the opposite, they say 730,000 while Bernama and TNA say 73,000. Again you say "multiple sources" say 730,000... but the only source linked you provided was The Nation's article. I would tend to side with the accuracy of the latter two based on past experiences with their reporting versus The Nation's reporting. As said, that huge number isn't consistent with what the previous goal timelines were and the manufacturer's stated capacity of producing 12,228 units per day. My initial 1% comes from the, (being generous again) 100,000 thus far delivered out of the 11,000,000 pledged. It's actually less than 1%, but I rounded up..... to be generous to Yingluck. "All primary, secondary, and vocational students" ≈ 11,000,000 , Thanks for the link, your first post on that thread seems to contradict that this was the initial scheme... Buchholz Exemplary Member Advanced Members 11,224 posts Posted 2011-12-15 06:54:26 The ever-changing goal posts. This is a far cry from the latest previous change to issuing tablet computers to only selected first graders. The new change will encompass around providing some 11 million tablet computers.... and in six months. Something tells me this is not the last change in plans for the scheme. and the article gives us no indication of time-frame. Could it not be that ....and pointedly you admit that there is no indication of time-frame. Just thinking rationally here, I realise that's quite a shock being in Thailand, but if you were responsible for implementing such a scheme, would the prudent thing not be to start with 1st graders, issuing each year so that gradually the promise becomes a reality, rather than a mass handout to every single student in one hit? Seems logical to me... My issue being that you start the thread unsure of whether 73,000 or 730,000 tablets have been delivered... perhaps..... it's actually only 10% of what The Nation reported. And then start to conjure up statistics based on "facts" that you are loosely interpreting... so far it seems they've honored around 1% of their promised 11,000,000 tablets. Only 99% more to go. Actually you don't know how many tablets have been delivered or how many are to be delivered this year, next year or the following year, neither do I, how could we? We don't even know the numbers of this shipment due to the conflicting reports but from that you start fabricating statistics and throwing them out there as proof that campaign promises are not being kept. Weren't you just chastising another member for not using the quote function properly? Please learn how to quote a post from another thread. We do know how many have arrived from a collection of various threads. I was just rounding to be easy on the math. It's been 105 + 5,000 + 73,000. I'm going with 73,000 because, as already explained, it seems to be from historically more accurate news sources than the solitary The Nation quote. Surely you've seen the bashing The Nation gets for its inaccuracies in other threads. It's posted on every day in just about every news thread. At the end of the day, we have 78,105 tablets in late July compared with the 11,000,000 tablets pledged for last May. Yep, they're doing great. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 A statement by ICT Minister Anudith Nakornthap on the 10th of this month has 61,000 already delivered. So I guess we now have about 134,000 in total. The Minister also mentioned: "As of now, 61,000 tablets have been delivered and the ICT Ministry started checking them yesterday. It will check all tablets on a lot-by-lot basis, with 500 picked for a random check. It expects to spend five days on checking each lot of 50,000 tablets. "Once the tablets have been checked they will be passed on to the Education Ministry for delivery," Anudith said, adding that the first lot of 400,000 units - which the ICT Ministry had signed the contract for on May 10 - will be delivered by August 18. "We are behind schedule in terms of delivery because we spent a lot of time thoroughly checking the first lot of 2,000 units," Anudith said." http://www.thaivisa....blets-thailand/ I guess that means we still have a few more months to ensure that the remaining 9% of schools get electricity and the <unknown %> get internet access. Early January it was said, no delivery to schools which are not 'ready'. Does anyone have any idea what the plan is to make those schools ready, how many schools are in that category and how many P1 kids does it effect? Oh and BTW, the Thai school year ends somewhere in February/March each year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellodolly Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Ist graders are 6 years old? none odf the kids at the local government scchool can read at that age. Why bring up little unimportant details. The kids will just find games that they don't have to read to play. Simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellodolly Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Under the rules of the inspection, Chinnaphat said 500 units would be selected randomly from every 35,000 units, and only seven units were allowed to fail the test for the 35,000-unit lot to pass.A senior education official in Kanchanaburi, Jamnong Yordkham, said only two units out of 2,288 distributed locally did not work after their batteries failed to recharge. It used to be 7 out of 500 picked from 50,000. Good to see the thumbscrews have been put on. Mind you the 2 out of 2288 suggest tests may need to be adjusted a wee bit. I'm pleasantly surprised close to 800,000 units have arrived already. Wasn't 18th of August a deadline? Amazing China. Of course with (alomst) all tabletPCs for P1 kids having arrived the 2000+ schools without electricity become a bit of a bother. No Internet access I see as only minor issue with programs already downloaded unto the tablets I see the big problem being that they are receiving them two or three years before they should. They should learn problem solving abilities before they are given machines to do it for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellodolly Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 They announced a week ago that they wll be delivering the tablets to 8 provinces, including Khon Kaen. I'm in Khon Kaen province and none have arrived at the local school as yet. Yes the school has electricity and air conditioning. According to ferangled some little village by Udon Thani has them and all the kids are hooked into the internet. The village has a colored TV in every home. Funny I went to a friends wedding 2 years ago in a little village by Udon Thani and their was not one TV in the whole village. They didn't even have electricity in their school. I took this from his post It's clear that much of the rural North of Thailand has been deliberately marginalised and ignored for centuries; I find it quite ridiculous that somehow the current Government are expected to either magically solve the issues created by previous administrations and instantly modernise and improve vast swathes of infrastructure or deliberately take focus off improving the vast majority of schools that do have electricity and internet access, in favour of focusing on widespread improvements in the North which they would then be attacked on, for focusing on their own supporter base and not those in Bangkok and the South... it's a vicious non-nonsensical circle. For some reason he is justafing the lack of electricity in these schools He is saying that it would take away from the rest of the nation. So I guess he is saying don't give to the really needy ones. It will take away some thing from the one's who all ready have lot's. In my opinion all schools should be given equal treatment. That means bring the standards up in many of the schools even if it means they have to lower the standards in some of the schools. All children should be given equal opportunities to learn. If people feel their kids deserve more than the poor kids put them in a private school don't ask the tax payers for special treatment of your little darlings. I wonder if the fact that he has only been here for 5 months has any thing to do with his attitude towards the poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 He's also forgetting that this is just the current incarnation of the Shinawatra government. They have been in power for what 10 years. Longest serving government blah blah blah. 1st 4 years were fairly impressive. They just got a bit (lot) power hungry and it started falling apart on the clever ideas front. Now its regurgitation. sent from my Wellcom A90+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 A statement by ICT Minister Anudith Nakornthap on the 10th of this month has 61,000 already delivered. So I guess we now have about 134,000 in total. The Minister also mentioned: ah yes, forgot the 10th announcement. At 134,000.... they've passed the 1% mark of their stated pledge and are well on their way to 2%. Keep it up, Yingluck. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamlet07 Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Ist graders are 6 years old? none odf the kids at the local government scchool can read at that age. Or like yourself-spell ! LOL.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKKdreaming Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Has anyone had seen one of these tablets ? Quality ? what is loaded on them when delivered ? Where can I buy one BK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonarax Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 (edited) Don't feed the outsiders. Can you fools stop correcting each other's spelling and grammar, cause you both suck at it. Edited July 26, 2012 by Sayonarax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferangled Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 They announced a week ago that they wll be delivering the tablets to 8 provinces, including Khon Kaen. I'm in Khon Kaen province and none have arrived at the local school as yet. Yes the school has electricity and air conditioning. According to ferangled some little village by Udon Thani has them and all the kids are hooked into the internet. The village has a colored TV in every home. Funny I went to a friends wedding 2 years ago in a little village by Udon Thani and their was not one TV in the whole village. They didn't even have electricity in their school. I took this from his post It's clear that much of the rural North of Thailand has been deliberately marginalised and ignored for centuries; I find it quite ridiculous that somehow the current Government are expected to either magically solve the issues created by previous administrations and instantly modernise and improve vast swathes of infrastructure or deliberately take focus off improving the vast majority of schools that do have electricity and internet access, in favour of focusing on widespread improvements in the North which they would then be attacked on, for focusing on their own supporter base and not those in Bangkok and the South... it's a vicious non-nonsensical circle. For some reason he is justafing the lack of electricity in these schools He is saying that it would take away from the rest of the nation. So I guess he is saying don't give to the really needy ones. It will take away some thing from the one's who all ready have lot's. In my opinion all schools should be given equal treatment. That means bring the standards up in many of the schools even if it means they have to lower the standards in some of the schools. All children should be given equal opportunities to learn. If people feel their kids deserve more than the poor kids put them in a private school don't ask the tax payers for special treatment of your little darlings. I wonder if the fact that he has only been here for 5 months has any thing to do with his attitude towards the poor. You're post is full of inaccuracies, what a surprise. My quote pointedly didn't mention tablets at all and was a general indication of the rate of infrastructure improvement in the rural North, the author having visited said village once under the Democrats and again under the current administration and was noting the changes. You miss the point that these infrastructure improvements are taking place... I was simply explaining to those with somewhat limited powers of critical thinking that holding up the development of the vast majority of schools because a minority of rural schools still haven't even got electricity is madness. The infrastructure changes in these remote places will take time, the changes are happening as the quote suggests, but these aren't minor works that will happen overnight, also pointedly the current lack of facilities in these schools can't be blamed on the current administration who have been in power less than a year... well I guess they can be if you're completely blinkered and ignore common sense... Your equal opportunities ideal is great but it is just that, an ideal, a dream, and as is evidenced by nations with much better existing infrastructures than Thailand this is not a reality anywhere. The rich do get better opportunities the world over, there are poor parts of countries and there are affluent areas. I never said these schools should be deprived of electricity and kept in the dark ages, as has suited the ruling classes for centuries, that was your "take" Dolly... your idea of lowering standards in other schools to create a level playing field is just insanity. Yes because a handful of schools don't have electricity we should cut the feeds to all school's in Thailand! Great idea... your logic is faultless! The changes are happening, improvements are being noticed and time will tell whether the Thai electorate will respond by re-electing their chosen party. They're far from perfect but they certainly seem to be taking steps in the right direction albeit being held back by continual in-fighting and a less than functional opposition... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chotthee Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Has anyone had seen one of these tablets ? Quality ? what is loaded on them when delivered ? Where can I buy one BK Coming to the pawn shop near you. Soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 They announced a week ago that they wll be delivering the tablets to 8 provinces, including Khon Kaen. I'm in Khon Kaen province and none have arrived at the local school as yet. Yes the school has electricity and air conditioning. According to ferangled some little village by Udon Thani has them and all the kids are hooked into the internet. The village has a colored TV in every home. Funny I went to a friends wedding 2 years ago in a little village by Udon Thani and their was not one TV in the whole village. They didn't even have electricity in their school. I took this from his post It's clear that much of the rural North of Thailand has been deliberately marginalised and ignored for centuries; I find it quite ridiculous that somehow the current Government are expected to either magically solve the issues created by previous administrations and instantly modernise and improve vast swathes of infrastructure or deliberately take focus off improving the vast majority of schools that do have electricity and internet access, in favour of focusing on widespread improvements in the North which they would then be attacked on, for focusing on their own supporter base and not those in Bangkok and the South... it's a vicious non-nonsensical circle. For some reason he is justafing the lack of electricity in these schools He is saying that it would take away from the rest of the nation. So I guess he is saying don't give to the really needy ones. It will take away some thing from the one's who all ready have lot's. In my opinion all schools should be given equal treatment. That means bring the standards up in many of the schools even if it means they have to lower the standards in some of the schools. All children should be given equal opportunities to learn. If people feel their kids deserve more than the poor kids put them in a private school don't ask the tax payers for special treatment of your little darlings. I wonder if the fact that he has only been here for 5 months has any thing to do with his attitude towards the poor. You're post is full of inaccuracies, what a surprise. My quote pointedly didn't mention tablets at all and was a general indication of the rate of infrastructure improvement in the rural North, the author having visited said village once under the Democrats and again under the current administration and was noting the changes. You miss the point that these infrastructure improvements are taking place... I was simply explaining to those with somewhat limited powers of critical thinking that holding up the development of the vast majority of schools because a minority of rural schools still haven't even got electricity is madness. The infrastructure changes in these remote places will take time, the changes are happening as the quote suggests, but these aren't minor works that will happen overnight, also pointedly the current lack of facilities in these schools can't be blamed on the current administration who have been in power less than a year... well I guess they can be if you're completely blinkered and ignore common sense... Your equal opportunities ideal is great but it is just that, an ideal, a dream, and as is evidenced by nations with much better existing infrastructures than Thailand this is not a reality anywhere. The rich do get better opportunities the world over, there are poor parts of countries and there are affluent areas. I never said these schools should be deprived of electricity and kept in the dark ages, as has suited the ruling classes for centuries, that was your "take" Dolly... your idea of lowering standards in other schools to create a level playing field is just insanity. Yes because a handful of schools don't have electricity we should cut the feeds to all school's in Thailand! Great idea... your logic is faultless! The changes are happening, improvements are being noticed and time will tell whether the Thai electorate will respond by re-electing their chosen party. They're far from perfect but they certainly seem to be taking steps in the right direction albeit being held back by continual in-fighting and a less than functional opposition... When will you understand the current administration is just an extension of Shinawatra governments going back to 2001. The Dems were in power for 18 months while contending with the Red shirt rallies making them less than functional (but that was OK.right) About schools. There ARE some schools that have a MUCH larger budget. Such as the university demonstration schools. Mahidol demonstration school for example has a HUGE lecture hall with all the bells and whistles. It is used infrequently. Level playing field. That would be good. Sent from my GT-P1010 using Thaivisa Connect App 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferangled Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Weren't you just chastising another member for not using the quote function properly? Please learn how to quote a post from another thread. We do know how many have arrived from a collection of various threads. I was just rounding to be easy on the math. It's been 105 + 5,000 + 73,000. I'm going with 73,000 because, as already explained, it seems to be from historically more accurate news sources than the solitary The Nation quote. Surely you've seen the bashing The Nation gets for its inaccuracies in other threads. It's posted on every day in just about every news thread. At the end of the day, we have 78,105 tablets in late July compared with the 11,000,000 tablets pledged for last May. Yep, they're doing great. . I'll ignore your deliberate childish distraction and focus on your faulty arithmetic and factually incorrect numbers... "We do know how many have arrived from a collection of various threads. I was just rounding to be easy on the math. It's been 105 + 5,000 + 73,000.@ Really? You know this for sure despite already conceding that 73,000 could be 730,000... you also seem to be missing a batch here... "ah yes, forgot the 10th announcement. At 134,000.... they've passed the 1% mark of their stated pledge and are well on their way to 2%." Yes, clearly you were and still are just guessing at the numbers in the current batch... how does that fit in with your former assertions you were defending so vehemently?! You were, again by your own admission, incorrect and giving out false statistics,which is exactly what I picked up on with my first post! Clearly my original point was accurate, you are simply conjuring up statistics! 2% of what? In what time-frame? 11,000,000 pledged for last May? What are you going on about? Last May? Complete inaccuracy & fabrication of "facts" seems to be a running trend in your posts... Incidentally it's not just been reported at 730,000 by the Nation, that figure's been seized on by a number of sources... google is your friend Bulchholz.! I agree 73,000 would seem to fit the production capacity of the Chinese supplier better but we don't know for sure do we? So we are back to your false statistics, based on guess work and fabricated totals attached to a fabricated time-frame... Are you sure that you don't work for the Nation?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferangled Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 They announced a week ago that they wll be delivering the tablets to 8 provinces, including Khon Kaen. I'm in Khon Kaen province and none have arrived at the local school as yet. Yes the school has electricity and air conditioning. According to ferangled some little village by Udon Thani has them and all the kids are hooked into the internet. The village has a colored TV in every home. Funny I went to a friends wedding 2 years ago in a little village by Udon Thani and their was not one TV in the whole village. They didn't even have electricity in their school. I took this from his post It's clear that much of the rural North of Thailand has been deliberately marginalised and ignored for centuries; I find it quite ridiculous that somehow the current Government are expected to either magically solve the issues created by previous administrations and instantly modernise and improve vast swathes of infrastructure or deliberately take focus off improving the vast majority of schools that do have electricity and internet access, in favour of focusing on widespread improvements in the North which they would then be attacked on, for focusing on their own supporter base and not those in Bangkok and the South... it's a vicious non-nonsensical circle. For some reason he is justafing the lack of electricity in these schools He is saying that it would take away from the rest of the nation. So I guess he is saying don't give to the really needy ones. It will take away some thing from the one's who all ready have lot's. In my opinion all schools should be given equal treatment. That means bring the standards up in many of the schools even if it means they have to lower the standards in some of the schools. All children should be given equal opportunities to learn. If people feel their kids deserve more than the poor kids put them in a private school don't ask the tax payers for special treatment of your little darlings. I wonder if the fact that he has only been here for 5 months has any thing to do with his attitude towards the poor. You're post is full of inaccuracies, what a surprise. My quote pointedly didn't mention tablets at all and was a general indication of the rate of infrastructure improvement in the rural North, the author having visited said village once under the Democrats and again under the current administration and was noting the changes. You miss the point that these infrastructure improvements are taking place... I was simply explaining to those with somewhat limited powers of critical thinking that holding up the development of the vast majority of schools because a minority of rural schools still haven't even got electricity is madness. The infrastructure changes in these remote places will take time, the changes are happening as the quote suggests, but these aren't minor works that will happen overnight, also pointedly the current lack of facilities in these schools can't be blamed on the current administration who have been in power less than a year... well I guess they can be if you're completely blinkered and ignore common sense... Your equal opportunities ideal is great but it is just that, an ideal, a dream, and as is evidenced by nations with much better existing infrastructures than Thailand this is not a reality anywhere. The rich do get better opportunities the world over, there are poor parts of countries and there are affluent areas. I never said these schools should be deprived of electricity and kept in the dark ages, as has suited the ruling classes for centuries, that was your "take" Dolly... your idea of lowering standards in other schools to create a level playing field is just insanity. Yes because a handful of schools don't have electricity we should cut the feeds to all school's in Thailand! Great idea... your logic is faultless! The changes are happening, improvements are being noticed and time will tell whether the Thai electorate will respond by re-electing their chosen party. They're far from perfect but they certainly seem to be taking steps in the right direction albeit being held back by continual in-fighting and a less than functional opposition... When will you understand the current administration is just an extension of Shinawatra governments going back to 2001. The Dems were in power for 18 months while contending with the Red shirt rallies making them less than functional (but that was OK.right) About schools. There ARE some schools that have a MUCH larger budget. Such as the university demonstration schools. Mahidol demonstration school for example has a HUGE lecture hall with all the bells and whistles. It is used infrequently. Level playing field. That would be good. Sent from my GT-P1010 using Thaivisa Connect App Please list the different PMs over the last 10 years and the manner in which they have left power... you're just being deliberately obtuse, ignoring the PAD rallies/ airport take overs, Tsunami, a few coups along the way which you don't consider to be conducive to having a less than functional Government?!!! Give me a break, the nonsense that gets spouted on here is nauseating. Yes some schools have better facilities than others, no-one is disputing that, some have wealthy benefactors, others do not... your utopian ideal is charming but as realistic as a pink flying elephant... you will never have a level playing field across all schools anywhere, in any country, why do you expect this miracle to happen in Thailand? At least the current administration are actually focused on improvements and bringing the rural North up to date rather than simply ignoring them and oppressing them as your old elites have done for centuries... but no it's back to Thaksin the devil man, responsible for all the problems in Thailand eh?!!! Get a grip. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 (edited) Weren't you just chastising another member for not using the quote function properly? Please learn how to quote a post from another thread. We do know how many have arrived from a collection of various threads. I was just rounding to be easy on the math. It's been 105 + 5,000 + 73,000. I'm going with 73,000 because, as already explained, it seems to be from historically more accurate news sources than the solitary The Nation quote. Surely you've seen the bashing The Nation gets for its inaccuracies in other threads. It's posted on every day in just about every news thread. At the end of the day, we have 78,105 tablets in late July compared with the 11,000,000 tablets pledged for last May. Yep, they're doing great. . I'll ignore your deliberate childish distraction and focus on your faulty arithmetic and factually incorrect numbers... "We do know how many have arrived from a collection of various threads. I was just rounding to be easy on the math. It's been 105 + 5,000 + 73,000.@ Really? You know this for sure despite already conceding that 73,000 could be 730,000... you also seem to be missing a batch here... "ah yes, forgot the 10th announcement. At 134,000.... they've passed the 1% mark of their stated pledge and are well on their way to 2%." Yes, clearly you were and still are just guessing at the numbers in the current batch... how does that fit in with your former assertions you were defending so vehemently?! You were, again by your own admission, incorrect and giving out false statistics,which is exactly what I picked up on with my first post! Clearly my original point was accurate, you are simply conjuring up statistics! 2% of what? In what time-frame? 11,000,000 pledged for last May? What are you going on about? Last May? Complete inaccuracy & fabrication of "facts" seems to be a running trend in your posts... Incidentally it's not just been reported at 730,000 by the Nation, that figure's been seized on by a number of sources... google is your friend Bulchholz.! I agree 73,000 would seem to fit the production capacity of the Chinese supplier better but we don't know for sure do we? So we are back to your false statistics, based on guess work and fabricated totals attached to a fabricated time-frame... Are you sure that you don't work for the Nation?! Let's start with the end of your malarkey and work back. YOU are the one claiming that sources other than The Nation purporting 730,000. YOU supply them ...or it falls apart as easily as the rest of your diatribe. The time frame was claimed by Yingluck's point man. The total tablets pledged was claimed by Yingluck's point man. To attempt to deflect from that with nonsense about "fabricated" totals and time frames as well as "false statistics" is but an empty apologist effort. Yes, I missed a batch. If the entire scheme had ever been run efficiently, effectively, and transparently, the chance of that would diminish to zero. Instead, it's been one long road of ever-changing deadlines, goals, deliveries, suppliers, auctions, delays and endless conflicting reports from in-fighting ministries (Education and ICT). The battle over control and the inbred corruption has been fierce between the two resulting in confusion and lack of transparency. How many threads have there been on this issue? 20? That's an indication in itself of the convoluted nature of this scheme. . Edited July 26, 2012 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 (edited) For those of you who feel like trying to understand the tablet issue, here a list of topics from the last THREE months 2012-07-19 http://www.thaivisa....ff-in-thailand/ 2012-07-10 http://www.thaivisa....blets-thailand/ 2012-06-30 http://www.thaivisa....dents-thailand/ 2012-06-19 http://www.thaivisa....blet-computers/ 2012-06-14 http://www.thaivisa....blets-thailand/ 2012-06-08 http://www.thaivisa....mputer-tablets/ 2012-06-07 http://www.thaivisa....y-for-delivery/ 2012-05-10 http://www.thaivisa....rs-for-schools/ 2012-04-25 http://www.thaivisa....inistry-source/ 2012-04-24 http://www.thaivisa....ares-textbooks/ 2012-04-20 http://www.thaivisa....pardy-thailand/ DISCLAIMER: I may have missed topics between 2012-04-20 - 2012-07-19. That would be by accident, and not on purpose Edited July 26, 2012 by rubl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 (edited) For those of you who feel like trying to understand the tablet issue, here a list of topics from the last THREE months 2012-07-19 http://www.thaivisa....ff-in-thailand/ 2012-07-10 http://www.thaivisa....blets-thailand/ 2012-06-30 http://www.thaivisa....dents-thailand/ 2012-06-19 http://www.thaivisa....blet-computers/ 2012-06-14 http://www.thaivisa....blets-thailand/ 2012-06-08 http://www.thaivisa....mputer-tablets/ 2012-06-07 http://www.thaivisa....y-for-delivery/ 2012-05-10 http://www.thaivisa....rs-for-schools/ 2012-04-25 http://www.thaivisa....inistry-source/ 2012-04-24 http://www.thaivisa....ares-textbooks/ 2012-04-20 http://www.thaivisa....pardy-thailand/ DISCLAIMER: I may have missed topics between 2012-04-20 - 2012-07-19. That would be by accident, and not on purpose Thanks for that. I see I under-estimated the total number of threads. I also have to remember that a number of them were done before Ferangled even joined, so if his knowledge seems less experienced with the subject matter, that's understandable. 2011-04-30 http://www.thaivisa....ning-has-begun/ . 2011-04-29 http://www.thaivisa....-thai-students/ 2011-07-11 http://www.thaivisa....r-tablets-plan/ etc etc . Edited July 26, 2012 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirchai Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Citing reports from Bangkok-based schools, Chinnaphat said students given the tablets had shown good concentration in their lessons and schoolwork - especially in English, science and math - considered the most difficult subjects Reports from Bangkok based schools. Kids are fluent in English, but can't read, write or speak in their mother tongue....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferangled Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Let's start with the end of your malarkey and work back. YOU are the one claiming that sources other than The Nation purporting 730,000. YOU supply them ...or it falls apart as easily as the rest of your diatribe. The time frame was claimed by Yingluck's point man. The total tablets pledged was claimed by Yingluck's point man. To attempt to deflect from that with nonsense about "fabricated" totals and time frames as well as "false statistics" is but an empty apologist effort. Yes, I missed a batch. If the entire scheme had ever been run efficiently, effectively, and transparently, the chance of that would diminish to zero. Instead, it's been one long road of ever-changing deadlines, goals, deliveries, suppliers, auctions, delays and endless conflicting reports from in-fighting ministries (Education and ICT). The battle over control and the inbred corruption has been fierce between the two resulting in confusion and lack of transparency. How many threads have there been on this issue? 20? That's an indication in itself of the convoluted nature of this scheme. . Is that some sort of roundabout way of conceding that the statistics you put out were totally fabricated and inaccurate?! If you'd simply done that to start with we could have saved a few posts and considerable time! Like it or not, the tablets are arriving, promises being kept and former speculation you have made proved to be inaccurate... much like your statistics! Quite how many websites have reported 730,000 not 73,000? Again I suggest you just enter this into your search provider "730,000 tablets Thailand" and see quite how any links you are offered!!! Yes many of these originate from the nation article, but this figure is linked to from scores of different sources... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbandung Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Ist graders are 6 years old? none odf the kids at the local government scchool can read at that age. They're playing Angry Birds. You don't need to be able to read for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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