Jatuporn Sticks By His Allegations Against Abhisit

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Jatuporn sticks by his allegations against Abhisit

PRAVIT ROJANAPHRUK

THE NATION

BANGKOK: -- In his testimony at court yesterday, red-shirt leader Jatuporn Promphan insisted that all the remarks he had made about former prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva were truthful and had not been made with defamation in mind.

Jatuporn was at Criminal Court to face libel charges filed against him over comments he had made about Abhisit evading compulsory military conscription, using false documents to land himself a job at Chulachomklao Military Cadet Academy, and ordering the 2010 deadly crackdown on red shirts, among others.

When questioned by the defence team, Jatuporn insisted that Abhisit had used false documents to land a teaching post at the famous cadet school and that the Defence Ministry was currently looking into the matter.

He also said several incidents such as Abhisit's car being smashed while he was prime minister in early 2009 were part of a ploy to justify the adoption of draconian laws like the emergency decree to suppress and persecute the red shirts.

As for Abhisit allegedly evading military conscription, Jatuporn said: "A prime minister should be an example in terms of serving the nation. Not serving as a military conscript is unpatriotic."

Jatuporn also told the court that Abhisit's alleged decision to use false documents also went against the standards expected of someone who is to become a prime minister.

"As prime minister, one must be honourable and be a good example for Thais. The prime minister must have a higher standard," he said.

Jatuporn went on to say that none of the 30 or so men caught on camera smashing Abhisit's car had ever been arrested.

"This was part of him engineering violent situations to justify the [2010] crackdown," Jatuporn told the judges.

Other examples cited by Jatuporn included the deployment of men in blue T-shirts to confront the red-shirt supporters near the site of the Asean summit in Pattaya in April 2009, which was abruptly cancelled because of the violence. Jatuporn told the court that the men in blue were seen mingling with police officers and that he had been told by a military source that these men were actually police recruited from provinces in the Northeast such as Buri Ram.

As for allegations linking Abhisit to the 2010 crackdown, Jatuporn said he believed that the "leaked" recording of the former PM ordering the offensive was genuine. He then questioned Abhisit's motives for not allowing the audio recording to be played in Parliament.

-- The Nation 2012-07-26

[Moruya]

What a hideous man Jatuporn is.

Edited July 26, 2012 by Moruya

[Crushdepth]

...one must be honourable and be a good example for Thais...

Hysterical

[jackr]

hang him.

[Moruya]

hang him.

Yes. But naked, from his ankles, outside Central World. Rotten eggs 1b per dozen

[Orac]

Not sure if this is an own goal for Abhisit or a politically astute move to give Jatuporn the platform he craves to spout his bile.

[thaicbr]

Not sure if this is an own goal for Abhisit or a politically astute move to give Jatuporn the platform he craves to spout his bile.

With a statement like " not serving as a conscript is unpatriotic " I think an own goal to Jatorporn

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[Moruya]

Burning down your capital city is not very patriotic

[dru2]

What a hideous man Jatuporn is.

Moruya, I believe that says it all.

[soundman]

He also said several incidents such as Abhisit's car being smashed while he was prime minister in early 2009 were part of a ploy to justify the adoption of draconian laws like the emergency decree to suppress and persecute the red shirts.

This guy should (could) be a very good conspiracy novel writer.

[Ricardo]

"As prime minister, one must be honourable and be a good example for Thais. The prime minister should set a higher standard" he said.

If only Khun J had been saying this sort of thing, several years ago, he might still have some credibility remaining, but as it is ...

[Thaddeus]

hang him.

Yes. But naked, from his ankles, outside Central World. Rotten eggs 1b per dozen

And paint his testicles to emphasise the term 'red <deleted>'

[daboyz1]

The thing that scares me about this nut, is that some people believe it.

[Moruya]

The thing that scares me about this nut, is that some people believe it.

And even scarier is that some westerners are among them!

[Reasonableman]

The thing that scares me about this nut, is that some people believe it.

And even scarier is that some westerners are among them!

Not so sure they actually believe it, but they do write it, nevertheless. What motivates them is the puzzle.

[slapout]

Jatuporn's public statements/actions, his interption of legal questions, etc seem to be his take and impression of the Dubia infulence. Both are approaching certifiatable nut/basket cases. Some people/actions can be recongized as a real menace to society/social order by those who are working in the general publics intrest, but when you have a gaggle of like minded nit wits in charge, expect no relief.

[rubl]

As for Abhisit allegedly evading military conscription, Jatuporn said: "A prime minister should be an example in terms of serving the nation. Not serving as a military conscript is unpatriotic."

Jatuporn also told the court that Abhisit's alleged decision to use false documents also went against the standards expected of someone who is to become a prime minister.

"As prime minister, one must be honourable and be a good example for Thais. The prime minister must have a higher standard," he said.

Two questions here

1.) Did any of the previous PMs serve as 'military conscript' ?

2.) Did k. Jatuporn consult k. Thaksin before saying "The prime minister must have a higher standard" ?

[geriatrickid]

As for Abhisit allegedly evading military conscription, Jatuporn said: "A prime minister should be an example in terms of serving the nation. Not serving as a military conscript is unpatriotic."

Jatuporn also told the court that Abhisit's alleged decision to use false documents also went against the standards expected of someone who is to become a prime minister.

"As prime minister, one must be honourable and be a good example for Thais. The prime minister must have a higher standard," he said.

Two questions here

1.) Did any of the previous PMs serve as 'military conscript' ?

2.) Did k. Jatuporn consult k. Thaksin before saying "The prime minister must have a higher standard" ?

1. One cannot be a conscript if one volunteers for for service. Former PM Thaksin went to the Armed Forces School and then to the Police Academy and upon graduation joined the RTP. Mr. Thaksin also went to the same university as PM Yingluck (Eastern Kentucky) and Mr. Thaksin also earned a doctorate from a University in Texas. An interesting difference between Thaksin and Abhisit is that Mr. Thaksin was able to volunteer for his national service while Mr. Abhisit did not. I think that you will find many of the former PMs spent time in the military because they volunteered. As such, the attempt to raise their not being conscripted is a canard. Nothing stopped Mr. Abhisit from volunteering for service.

2. I doubt Mr. Jatuporn consulted with Mr. Thaksin. Unlike you, I believe that Mr. Jatuporn is not that close to Mr. Thaksin. It is a convenient alliance and if conditions were right Mr. Jatuporn would kick Mr. Thaksin to the curb. Mr. Jatuporn really does believe in his political position and I think he is so consumed by that belief that he sees himself as a martyr to the cause. It's that martyr complex which makes him unmanageable by the political class, including Mr. Thaksin.

Edited July 26, 2012 by geriatrickid

[thaicbr]

As for Abhisit allegedly evading military conscription, Jatuporn said: "A prime minister should be an example in terms of serving the nation. Not serving as a military conscript is unpatriotic."

Jatuporn also told the court that Abhisit's alleged decision to use false documents also went against the standards expected of someone who is to become a prime minister.

"As prime minister, one must be honourable and be a good example for Thais. The prime minister must have a higher standard," he said.

Two questions here

1.) Did any of the previous PMs serve as 'military conscript' ?

2.) Did k. Jatuporn consult k. Thaksin before saying "The prime minister must have a higher standard" ?

1. One cannot be a conscript if one volunteers for for service. Former PM Thaksin went to the Armed Forces School and then to the Police Academy and upon graduation joined the RTP. Mr. Thaksin also went to the same university as PM Yingluck (Eastern Kentucky) and Mr. Thaksin also earned a doctorate from a University in Texas. An interesting difference between Thaksin and Abhisit is that Mr. Thaksin was able to volunteer for his national service while Mr. Abhisit did not. I think that you will find many of the former PMs spent time in the military because they volunteered. As such, the attempt to raise their not being conscripted is a canard. Nothing stopped Mr. Abhisit from volunteering for service.

2. I doubt Mr. Jatuporn consulted with Mr. Thaksin. Unlike you, I believe that Mr. Jatuporn is not that close to Mr. Thaksin. It is a convenient alliance and if conditions were right Mr. Jatuporn would kick Mr. Thaksin to the curb. Mr. Jatuporn really does believe in his political position and I think he is so consumed by that belief that he sees himself as a martyr to the cause. It's that martyr complex which makes him unmanageable by the political class, including Mr. Thaksin.

The conscript issue was from a statement by Jatuporn.

How many times can you use the incorrect wording "volunteer "

For Mr Thaksin it was a career choice.

For Abhisit it wasn't.

Do you know Mr Thaksin or Mr Jatuporn personally. Because all your threads seem to indicate a strong personal friendship.

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[moe666]

Has Khun J served in the military as a conscript or volunteer.

[rubl]

As for Abhisit allegedly evading military conscription, Jatuporn said: "A prime minister should be an example in terms of serving the nation. Not serving as a military conscript is unpatriotic."

Jatuporn also told the court that Abhisit's alleged decision to use false documents also went against the standards expected of someone who is to become a prime minister.

"As prime minister, one must be honourable and be a good example for Thais. The prime minister must have a higher standard," he said.

Two questions here

1.) Did any of the previous PMs serve as 'military conscript' ?

2.) Did k. Jatuporn consult k. Thaksin before saying "The prime minister must have a higher standard" ?

1. One cannot be a conscript if one volunteers for for service. Former PM Thaksin went to the Armed Forces School and then to the Police Academy and upon graduation joined the RTP. Mr. Thaksin also went to the same university as PM Yingluck (Eastern Kentucky) and Mr. Thaksin also earned a doctorate from a University in Texas. An interesting difference between Thaksin and Abhisit is that Mr. Thaksin was able to volunteer for his national service while Mr. Abhisit did not. I think that you will find many of the former PMs spent time in the military because they volunteered. As such, the attempt to raise their not being conscripted is a canard. Nothing stopped Mr. Abhisit from volunteering for service.

2. I doubt Mr. Jatuporn consulted with Mr. Thaksin. Unlike you, I believe that Mr. Jatuporn is not that close to Mr. Thaksin. It is a convenient alliance and if conditions were right Mr. Jatuporn would kick Mr. Thaksin to the curb. Mr. Jatuporn really does believe in his political position and I think he is so consumed by that belief that he sees himself as a martyr to the cause. It's that martyr complex which makes him unmanageable by the political class, including Mr. Thaksin.

My dear gKid, thank you for your contribution, but I do not think your answers fully reflect my questions.

ad 1.) Did any of the previous PMs serve as 'military conscript' ?

I did not ask about k. Thaksin, neither about which PM volunteered, neither why k. Abhisit didn't. I only asked "did any of the previous PMs serve as 'military conscript' ?" That is still unanswered.

ad 2.) Did k. Jatuporn consult k. Thaksin before saying "The prime minister must have a higher standard" ?

I also doubt that k. Jatuporn consulted k. Thaksin on this especially since the "held to higher standards" might be seen as part of the justification of the two year sentence in 2008. As for unmanagable, you may be right, a reason to drop him, like the late k. Samak.

[GiHadOrange]

Abhisit's defamation lawsuit gives Jatuporn a stage.

[hellodolly]

What a hideous man Jatuporn is.

Moruya, I believe that says it all.

I would not be that generous in describing him.

I have a mentally challenged nephew who is just plane slow.

But even he would know when to keep his mouth shut in a case like this.

Strange posts here one guy actually wanted to hang him "naked, from his ankles, outside Central World. Rotten eggs 1b per dozen"

Now why in the world would he want to charge that much for the eggs?

[Moruya]

The thing that scares me about this nut, is that some people believe it.

And even scarier is that some westerners are among them!

Not so sure they actually believe it, but they do write it, nevertheless. What motivates them is the puzzle.

Coins of the realm?

[hellodolly]

"As prime minister, one must be honourable and be a good example for Thais. The prime minister should set a higher standard" he said.

If only Khun J had been saying this sort of thing, several years ago, he might still have some credibility remaining, but as it is ...

As you say the man has no credibility.

With the credibility he now has that would be a open declaration that Abhist was honorable and a good example for Thais

[GarryP]

Actually, sticking to his allegations is probably the best thing for him. If he admits that he was wrong then wouldn't that be an admission of defamation.

[GiHadOrange]

hang him.

Yes. But naked, from his ankles, outside Central World. Rotten eggs 1b per dozen

Sorry, but i have to ask: Hang who?

[GiHadOrange]

The thing that scares me about this nut, is that some people believe it.

And even scarier is that some westerners are among them!

Not so sure they actually believe it, but they do write it, nevertheless. What motivates them is the puzzle.

That leaves me also with the question: You are talking about who?

[Moruya]

As for Abhisit allegedly evading military conscription, Jatuporn said: "A prime minister should be an example in terms of serving the nation. Not serving as a military conscript is unpatriotic."

Jatuporn also told the court that Abhisit's alleged decision to use false documents also went against the standards expected of someone who is to become a prime minister.

"As prime minister, one must be honourable and be a good example for Thais. The prime minister must have a higher standard," he said.

Two questions here

1.) Did any of the previous PMs serve as 'military conscript' ?

2.) Did k. Jatuporn consult k. Thaksin before saying "The prime minister must have a higher standard" ?

1. One cannot be a conscript if one volunteers for for service. Former PM Thaksin went to the Armed Forces School and then to the Police Academy and upon graduation joined the RTP. Mr. Thaksin also went to the same university as PM Yingluck (Eastern Kentucky) and Mr. Thaksin also earned a doctorate from a University in Texas. An interesting difference between Thaksin and Abhisit is that Mr. Thaksin was able to volunteer for his national service while Mr. Abhisit did not. I think that you will find many of the former PMs spent time in the military because they volunteered. As such, the attempt to raise their not being conscripted is a canard. Nothing stopped Mr. Abhisit from volunteering for service.

2. I doubt Mr. Jatuporn consulted with Mr. Thaksin. Unlike you, I believe that Mr. Jatuporn is not that close to Mr. Thaksin. It is a convenient alliance and if conditions were right Mr. Jatuporn would kick Mr. Thaksin to the curb. Mr. Jatuporn really does believe in his political position and I think he is so consumed by that belief that he sees himself as a martyr to the cause. It's that martyr complex which makes him unmanageable by the political class, including Mr. Thaksin.

Where would Jatuporn the Hideous get his money if he kicked Thaksin into touch?

[Moruya]

What a hideous man Jatuporn is.

Moruya, I believe that says it all.

I would not be that generous in describing him.

I have a mentally challenged nephew who is just plane slow.

But even he would know when to keep his mouth shut in a case like this.

Strange posts here one guy actually wanted to hang him "naked, from his ankles, outside Central World. Rotten eggs 1b per dozen"

Now why in the world would he want to charge that much for the eggs?

Hahahaha!

Made me chuckle