Red Shirts Urged To Gather Outside Court To Offer 'Moral Support' To Their Leaders

[hellodolly]

The other paper is reporting this morning that the Chief Judge was alluding to that based on the evidence presented thus far, only a few of the Red Shirts stand a good chance of having their bail revoked.

Meanwhile, Red Shirt Leader and Pheu Thai Party MP Vorachai Hema had said he expects up to 10,000 Red Shirts to show up at the court today.

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I hope that there will be a very very hard rain...

A cold snap would be appreciated along with the rain. It would give the red shirts a chance to show how serious they really are.

[metisdead]

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[waza]

Seems like the Judicial system is always kicking the can. Cant blame them I guess, better to wait to see who the master will be.

[Buchholz]

RT @RichardBarrow: A tweet from @ThaiPBS says all 24 of the red shirt leaders have had their bail hearing postponed until 29 November TBC

Red Tie Leader Jatuporn at the court today took the news very hard.

Khaosod

http://www.khaosod.c...E9PQ==&catid=01

Edited August 9, 2012 by Buchholz

[metisdead]

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[Moruya]

The other paper is reporting this morning that the Chief Judge was alluding to that based on the evidence presented thus far, only a few of the Red Shirts stand a good chance of having their bail revoked.

Meanwhile, Red Shirt Leader and Pheu Thai Party MP Vorachai Hema had said he expects up to 10,000 Red Shirts to show up at the court today.

Pheu Thai Party MP Vorachai Hema had said he expects up to 10,000 Red Shirts to show up at the court today..............so we should expect about a dozen?

So far, it's a heck of a lot closer to 12 than it is to 10,000.

Khaosod

http://www.khaosod.c...9PQ==&subcatid=

Why on earth is that woman wearing an orange phallus on her head and 2 boobies on her T-Shirt

[GentlemanJim]

How can you postpone a hearing meant to rebuke bail? Jatuporn has either broken his bail conditions or he has not. If he has then why is he still free?

[OzMick]

The other paper is reporting this morning that the Chief Judge was alluding to that based on the evidence presented thus far, only a few of the Red Shirts stand a good chance of having their bail revoked.

Meanwhile, Red Shirt Leader and Pheu Thai Party MP Vorachai Hema had said he expects up to 10,000 Red Shirts to show up at the court today.

Pheu Thai Party MP Vorachai Hema had said he expects up to 10,000 Red Shirts to show up at the court today..............so we should expect about a dozen?

So far, it's a heck of a lot closer to 12 than it is to 10,000.

Khaosod

http://www.khaosod.c...9PQ==&subcatid=

Looks like a buffalo auction.

[saltandpepper]

How can you postpone a hearing meant to rebuke bail? Jatuporn has either broken his bail conditions or he has not. If he has then why is he still free?

Because the deal with the friends at the government has not been finalized yet!

[Buchholz]

RT @RichardBarrow: A tweet from @ThaiPBS says all 24 of the red shirt leaders have had their bail hearing postponed until 29 November TBC

Red Tie Leader Jatuporn at the court today took the news very hard.

Khaosod

http://www.khaosod.c...E9PQ==&catid=01

To clarify the tweet. It seems that only the five Pheu Thai Party MP/Red Shirt Leaders have had their bail revocation decision delayed until the end of November.

As for the other 19 Red Shirts, their bail will be decided on.... in less than 2 weeks....

Ruling on bail hearings set for August 22

The Criminal Court on Thursday heard testimonies for and against revoking bail for 24 red shirt leaders who are being tried for terrorism charges in connection with the 2010 political strife.

The court is scheduled to hand down its ruling on August 22.

In an earlier decision, the court ruled to defer the bail hearing for five of the 24 defendants on the grounds that they had parliamentary immunity.

The hearing for the five has been rescheduled to November 22, following the House adjournment.

The five are Deputy Agriculture Minister Natthawut Saikua and four Pheu Thai MPs, Weng Tojirakarn, Kokaew Pikulthong, Wiphuthalang Phatthanaphumthai and Karun Hosakul.

In his capacity as complainant, Democrat MP Nipit Intarasombat testified that defendant Yotwarit Chooklom, aka Jeng Dokjik, had violated his bail conditions in connection with his rally speech attacking the Constitution Court in its review of the charter amendment bill.

Nipit said Yotwarit had urged the red shirts to "visit" the homes of the high court's judges after disclosing the addresses and telephone numbers of the judges and their family members.

He said the judges later received a surge in hatred calls.

Yotwarit's remarks could be construed as inciting the masses to harass and intimidate, which in his opinion, violated the conditions for temporary release.

Following his testimony, the defence team moved a motion to postpone the hearing on Yotwarit on the grounds that the complainant had just submitted evidence, including an audio clip of Yotwarit's speeck. The defence wanted to examine whether the clip was doctored before presenting rebuttals.

The presiding judges denied the defence motion because the rally speeches were of public record and accessible to all sides.

Yotwarit then took the witness stand to testify in his defence. The gist of his statement was that the complainant was not an injured party in connection with his rally speech as well as his trial on terrorism, hence should not be entitled to question his compliance with bail conditions.

He added that he was a comedian before joining the red shirt movement.

"It is natural that my remarks should mirror my sense of humour," he said, voicing his belief that he has the right to be critical of an independent organisation like the high court.

-- The Nation 2012-08-09

Edited August 9, 2012 by Buchholz

[Moruya]

RT @RichardBarrow: A tweet from @ThaiPBS says all 24 of the red shirt leaders have had their bail hearing postponed until 29 November TBC

Red Tie Leader Jatuporn at the court today took the news very hard.

Khaosod

http://www.khaosod.c...E9PQ==&catid=01

To clarify the tweet. It seems that only the five Pheu Thai Party MP/Red Shirt Leaders have had their bail revocation decision delayed until the end of November.

As for the other 19 Red Shirts, their bail will be decided on.... in less than 2 weeks....

Ruling on bail hearings set for August 22

The Criminal Court on Thursday heard testimonies for and against revoking bail for 24 red shirt leaders who are being tried for terrorism charges in connection with the 2010 political strife.

The court is scheduled to hand down its ruling on August 22.

In an earlier decision, the court ruled to defer the bail hearing for five of the 24 defendants on the grounds that they had parliamentary immunity.

The hearing for the five has been rescheduled to November 22, following the House adjournment.

The five are Deputy Agriculture Minister Natthawut Saikua and four Pheu Thai MPs, Weng Tojirakarn, Kokaew Pikulthong, Wiphuthalang Phatthanaphumthai and Karun Hosakul.

In his capacity as complainant, Democrat MP Nipit Intarasombat testified that defendant Yotwarit Chooklom, aka Jeng Dokjik, had violated his bail conditions in connection with his rally speech attacking the Constitution Court in its review of the charter amendment bill.

Nipit said Yotwarit had urged the red shirts to "visit" the homes of the high court's judges after disclosing the addresses and telephone numbers of the judges and their family members.

He said the judges later received a surge in hatred calls.

Yotwarit's remarks could be construed as inciting the masses to harass and intimidate, which in his opinion, violated the conditions for temporary release.

Following his testimony, the defence team moved a motion to postpone the hearing on Yotwarit on the grounds that the complainant had just submitted evidence, including an audio clip of Yotwarit's speeck. The defence wanted to examine whether the clip was doctored before presenting rebuttals.

The presiding judges denied the defence motion because the rally speeches were of public record and accessible to all sides.

Yotwarit then took the witness stand to testify in his defence. The gist of his statement was that the complainant was not an injured party in connection with his rally speech as well as his trial on terrorism, hence should not be entitled to question his compliance with bail conditions.

He added that he was a comedian before joining the red shirt movement.

"It is natural that my remarks should mirror my sense of humour," he said, voicing his belief that he has the right to be critical of an independent organisation like the high court.

-- The Nation 2012-08-09

I am sure the useless cretin will be amused when he reaches his cell. Most of us will be laughing tears.

[Buchholz]

Red Tie Leader Jatuporn at the court today took the news very hard.

Khaosod

http://www.khaosod.c...E9PQ==&catid=01

To clarify the tweet. It seems that only the five Pheu Thai Party MP/Red Shirt Leaders have had their bail revocation decision delayed until the end of November.

As for the other 19 Red Shirts, their bail will be decided on.... in less than 2 weeks....

Ruling on bail hearings set for August 22

Nipit said Yotwarit had urged the red shirts to "visit" the homes of the high court's judges after disclosing the addresses and telephone numbers of the judges and their family members.

He said the judges later received a surge in hatred calls.

Yotwarit's remarks could be construed as inciting the masses to harass and intimidate, which in his opinion, violated the conditions for temporary release.

Following his testimony, the defence team moved a motion to postpone the hearing on Yotwarit on the grounds that the complainant had just submitted evidence, including an audio clip of Yotwarit's speech The defence wanted to examine whether the clip was doctored before presenting rebuttals.

The presiding judges denied the defence motion because the rally speeches were of public record and accessible to all sides.

Yotwarit then took the witness stand to testify in his defence. The gist of his statement was that the complainant was not an injured party in connection with his rally speech as well as his trial on terrorism, hence should not be entitled to question his compliance with bail conditions.

He added that he was a comedian before joining the red shirt movement.

"It is natural that my remarks should mirror my sense of humour," he said, voicing his belief that he has the right to be critical of an independent organisation like the high court.

Yotwarit's defense has to be one of the lamest justifications for inciting violence I've heard in quite a while.

"awww, c'mon, I was just joking... don't you know I was a comedian"

Perhaps the judges could send him back to prison to work a better comedic routine.

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[philw]

RT @RichardBarrow: A tweet from @ThaiPBS says all 24 of the red shirt leaders have had their bail hearing postponed until 29 November TBC

Red Tie Leader Jatuporn at the court today took the news very hard.

Khaosod

http://www.khaosod.c...E9PQ==&catid=01

To clarify the tweet. It seems that only the five Pheu Thai Party MP/Red Shirt Leaders have had their bail revocation decision delayed until the end of November.

As for the other 19 Red Shirts, their bail will be decided on.... in less than 2 weeks....

Ruling on bail hearings set for August 22

The Criminal Court on Thursday heard testimonies for and against revoking bail for 24 red shirt leaders who are being tried for terrorism charges in connection with the 2010 political strife.

The court is scheduled to hand down its ruling on August 22.

In an earlier decision, the court ruled to defer the bail hearing for five of the 24 defendants on the grounds that they had parliamentary immunity.

The hearing for the five has been rescheduled to November 22, following the House adjournment.

The five are Deputy Agriculture Minister Natthawut Saikua and four Pheu Thai MPs, Weng Tojirakarn, Kokaew Pikulthong, Wiphuthalang Phatthanaphumthai and Karun Hosakul.

In his capacity as complainant, Democrat MP Nipit Intarasombat testified that defendant Yotwarit Chooklom, aka Jeng Dokjik, had violated his bail conditions in connection with his rally speech attacking the Constitution Court in its review of the charter amendment bill.

Nipit said Yotwarit had urged the red shirts to "visit" the homes of the high court's judges after disclosing the addresses and telephone numbers of the judges and their family members.

He said the judges later received a surge in hatred calls.

Yotwarit's remarks could be construed as inciting the masses to harass and intimidate, which in his opinion, violated the conditions for temporary release.

Following his testimony, the defence team moved a motion to postpone the hearing on Yotwarit on the grounds that the complainant had just submitted evidence, including an audio clip of Yotwarit's speeck. The defence wanted to examine whether the clip was doctored before presenting rebuttals.

The presiding judges denied the defence motion because the rally speeches were of public record and accessible to all sides.

Yotwarit then took the witness stand to testify in his defence. The gist of his statement was that the complainant was not an injured party in connection with his rally speech as well as his trial on terrorism, hence should not be entitled to question his compliance with bail conditions.

He added that he was a comedian before joining the red shirt movement.

"It is natural that my remarks should mirror my sense of humour," he said, voicing his belief that he has the right to be critical of an independent organisation like the high court.

-- The Nation 2012-08-09

I am sure the useless cretin will be amused when he reaches his cell. Most of us will be laughing tears.

Why does he enjoy such popularity then ??

Why is he mooted for a cabinet position ?

What really might happen if he gets locked up ?

[Buchholz]

Thai court delays ruling on whether top Red Shirts violated bail terms 2 years after protests

A Thai court Thursday postponed a verdict that could put some Red Shirt leaders back in jail for violating the terms of their bail two years after the group’s street protests paralyzed the Thai capital. Hundreds of Red Shirt supporters had gathered peacefully outside the Criminal Court in Bangkok to await the ruling.

Delaying the case until Aug. 22 will allow defendant Yotwarit Chooklom to add more witnesses and evidence to defend himself, a judge said. Yotwarit is among 24 Red Shirt leaders and key members being tried on terrorism charges in connection with the 2010 protests, which deteriorated into violence that left at least 91 people dead and more than 1,700 injured. Five of them are lawmakers now and have parliamentary immunity.

The conditions of their releases on bail had barred the defendants from instigating chaos through speeches or creating disturbances in Thai society.

Continues:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/thai-red-shirt-leaders-await-verdict-on-possible-bail-violation-over-threatening-speeches/2012/08/09/bbe33428-e1e4-11e1-89f7-76e23a982d06_story.html

Washington Post - August 9, 2012

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[Buchholz]

Thai "Red Shirt" lawmakers given immunity to court rulings

Five MPs of the ruling Puea Thai Party were on Thursday given legislative immunity from court proceedings or verdicts which might otherwise possibly send them back to prison for allegedly breaching parole rules. The Criminal Court postponed until the next three and a half months the trials against the five government MPs in accordance with the law which provides immunity to all possible lawsuits or court verdicts during parliamentary sessions.

The five legislators include Nattawut Saikuar, who is concurrently deputy agriculture minister, Weng Tojirakarn, Korkaew Phikulthong, Karoon Hosakul and Viphuthalaeng Pattanaphumthai. Those MPs were among a total of 24 Red Shirt leaders, 19 of whom are not legislators who might otherwise enjoy such privileges.

The Criminal Court will proceed with the lawsuit lodged by the Constitutional Court against the five MPs who had earlier acted as Red Shirt leaders on Nov. 29 and deliver rulings toward the 19 others on Aug. 22.

Continues:

http://www.shanghaid...ua.asp?id=88098

Shanghai Daily - August 9, 2012

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[Moruya]

Why does he enjoy such popularity then ??

Why is he mooted for a cabinet position ?

What really might happen if he gets locked up ?

Having a dump in the morning is "popular"

His name has been proposed as minister to appease the Reds.

If he gets locked up he will either starve or not starve.

[Moruya]

Thai "Red Shirt" lawmakers given immunity to court rulings

Five MPs of the ruling Puea Thai Party were on Thursday given legislative immunity from court proceedings or verdicts which might otherwise possibly send them back to prison for allegedly breaching parole rules. The Criminal Court postponed until the next three and a half months the trials against the five government MPs in accordance with the law which provides immunity to all possible lawsuits or court verdicts during parliamentary sessions.

The five legislators include Nattawut Saikuar, who is concurrently deputy agriculture minister, Weng Tojirakarn, Korkaew Phikulthong, Karoon Hosakul and Viphuthalaeng Pattanaphumthai. Those MPs were among a total of 24 Red Shirt leaders, 19 of whom are not legislators who might otherwise enjoy such privileges.

The Criminal Court will proceed with the lawsuit lodged by the Constitutional Court against the five MPs who had earlier acted as Red Shirt leaders on Nov. 29 and deliver rulings toward the 19 others on Aug. 22.

Continues:

http://www.shanghaid...ua.asp?id=88098

Shanghai Daily - August 9, 2012

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The five legislators.....

I've seen more legislative competence in the orang utan compound at Singapore zoo.

[Buchholz]

Thai court postpones ‘Red Shirt’ terror trial

The terrorism trial of Thai “Red Shirt” leaders in connection with deadly civil unrest in 2010 was postponed yesterday until November because some of the defendants enjoy immunity while parliament is in session. Police said 1,000 Red Shirts, who are broadly loyal to ousted former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, massed outside the court in a noisy demonstration of support for the 24 accused, who include five serving lawmakers.

“The court has agreed to postpone the hearing until the parliament session ends on November 28,” an unnamed judge of the Bangkok Criminal Court said, adding the trial will have to be suspended when parliament resumes in February 2013. Two months of anti-government protests in Bangkok in April and May 2010 by the Red Shirts triggered a series of clashes between demonstrators and troops that left more than 90 people dead.

The kingdom, which remains deeply divided by the bloodshed, now has a new government allied to Thaksin, whose sister Yingluck is prime minister.

Continues:

http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=524273&version=1&template_id=45&parent_id=25

AFP - August 9, 2012

[Nickymaster]

Why does he enjoy such popularity then ??

Divisive people tent to enjoy a lot of popularity from a certain group of people. Whether or not this is good for the country as whole remains to be seen to put it mildly.

Why is he mooted for a cabinet position ? Favoritism

What really might happen if he gets locked up ? I might asume he is going to loose some weight which is not a bad thing. Seriously, I hope we are going to find that out soon.

Edited August 10, 2012 by Nickymaster

[OzMick]

Why does he enjoy such popularity then ??

Why is he mooted for a cabinet position ?

What really might happen if he gets locked up ?

Such insightful questions! 1/ Like any populist, he says what the fools want to hear regardless whether it is true or not. (Get all the fools on your side and you can be elected to anything. - Frank Dane)in the last year he has said coup more times than my pet pigeon. 2/ Cronyism - he was given a party list MP seat, despite being ineligible for several reasons including serious criminal charges, as a reward for his criminal actions. Since that has collapsed he is still owed over and above the millions of baht he was paid. You don't have to have any expertise to appointed a minister in a Shinawatra government (QED).3/ Well based on precedent, the red shirts might occupy central BKK for a couple of months demanding his release, and when that fails, try to burn the city. But your question is PTP/reds' basic tool of intimidating courts with threats of imminent/threatened violence if decisions don't go their way. And it is exactly why his bail will be revoked.

[Robby nz]

Defered?

Possibly to give the judges time to get the high electric barbed wire fences round their houses finished, get their families out of the country and to change their phone numbers.

We wait for the correct verdict and for Thilda to be arrested for her recent threatening comments.

[Moruya]

Defered?

Possibly to give the judges time to get the high electric barbed wire fences round their houses finished, get their families out of the country and to change their phone numbers.

We wait for the correct verdict and for Thilda to be arrested for her recent threatening comments.

Exactly. I'm the good old days she'd have been in the ducking pond and barbequed.

[GentlemanJim]

Thai court postpones ‘Red Shirt’ terror trial

The terrorism trial of Thai “Red Shirt” leaders in connection with deadly civil unrest in 2010 was postponed yesterday until November because some of the defendants enjoy immunity while parliament is in session. Police said 1,000 Red Shirts, who are broadly loyal to ousted former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, massed outside the court in a noisy demonstration of support for the 24 accused, who include five serving lawmakers.

“The court has agreed to postpone the hearing until the parliament session ends on November 28,” an unnamed judge of the Bangkok Criminal Court said, adding the trial will have to be suspended when parliament resumes in February 2013. Two months of anti-government protests in Bangkok in April and May 2010 by the Red Shirts triggered a series of clashes between demonstrators and troops that left more than 90 people dead.

The kingdom, which remains deeply divided by the bloodshed, now has a new government allied to Thaksin, whose sister Yingluck is prime minister.

Continues:

http://www.gulf-time...45&parent_id=25

AFP - August 9, 2012

And................in November, the lawyers will introduce another delaying tactic, or someone will be on holiday etc etc and the hearing will be postponed till Feb 2013, then 5 of them will still be under immunity and they will have to delay the trial until the next parliamentary session ends etc etc etc

Any Government leader worth their salt would have the 5 MP's suspended from duty until they had been cleared at any criminal trial. TGIF !

[Buchholz]

Defered?

Possibly to give the judges time to get the high electric barbed wire fences round their houses finished, get their families out of the country and to change their phone numbers.

We wait for the correct verdict and for Thida to be arrested for her recent threatening comments.

and even though Thida wasn't given an MP chair like her husband was, the Yingluck government has now rewarded her with a chair on the Education Ministry's Office of the Education Council.

Another Red Shirt appointed to the Council is Worapol Prommikabutr.

Still another appointed to the Education Council by Yingluck Shinawatra's government is Yingluck's older sister, Yaowaret Shinawatra.

Still others include failed Pheu Thai Party constituency MP candidates and a Red Shirt lawyer.

The list of all appointees used to be viewable in pdf format on the government website:

http://www.onec.go.t...-27-07-2012.pdf

but it's since been taken down after the news of its content began circulating amongst the media.

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Edited August 10, 2012 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

Thai court delays ruling on whether top Red Shirts violated bail terms 2 years after protests

A Thai court Thursday postponed a verdict that could put some Red Shirt leaders back in jail for violating the terms of their bail two years after the group’s street protests paralyzed the Thai capital. Hundreds of Red Shirt supporters had gathered peacefully outside the Criminal Court in Bangkok to await the ruling.

Delaying the case until Aug. 22 will allow defendant Yotwarit Chooklom to add more witnesses and evidence to defend himself, a judge said. Yotwarit is among 24 Red Shirt leaders and key members being tried on terrorism charges in connection with the 2010 protests, which deteriorated into violence that left at least 91 people dead and more than 1,700 injured. Five of them are lawmakers now and have parliamentary immunity.

The conditions of their releases on bail had barred the defendants from instigating chaos through speeches or creating disturbances in Thai society.

Continues:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/thai-red-shirt-leaders-await-verdict-on-possible-bail-violation-over-threatening-speeches/2012/08/09/bbe33428-e1e4-11e1-89f7-76e23a982d06_story.html

Washington Post - August 9, 2012

Today, Red Shirt Chairwoman Thida has come out to urge Red Shirts to rally at the criminal court on August 22 when it reconvenes to determine whether to revoke the bail for 19 Red Shirts, which includes a number of Red Shirt Leaders.

She said she was most concerned about the bail revocation that Deputy Secretary-General to the Interior Minister and Red Shirt Leader Dokjik faces.

Red Shirt Spokesman Worawut Wichaidit said he is concerned about the prohibition on loudspeakers set down by the court and reemphasized that if there is any misunderstanding, it would be the court's fault if the Red Shirts are difficult to control without the use of loudspeakers to provide information.

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Edited August 11, 2012 by Buchholz