ttelise Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 (edited) Not that there is any suggestion in any of the news accounts that this guys suffers from Alzheimer... in fact everything to suggest he is fairly shrewd and at least at the time of his arrest very mentally and physically fit for a senior ... but I have never heard that a symptom of Alzheimer being molesting children. Haha, knew it would not take long for the defender of all things Thai, Nisa. Nisa accused young girl of lying recently when rape allegations made against Thais. According to Nisa, allegations are always true if against farangs and false if made against Thais. No one us saying he has been diagnosed. Doubt Thailand docs are that proficient in areas of Alzheimers and dementia anyway or feel the need to make such diagnosis for old white farangs. I think we are just saying Alzheimers causes erratic and bizarre behaviors and that us a possible explanation. I have seen Alzheimers patients seem completely normal and lucid one minutes, turn confused and violent the next. The bigger issue seemed to be that kids only went to his house twice a year, Christmas and birthday, and they were accompanied by parents. Then a parent allegedly tried to extort money. He refused, was arrested, then cops extorted 450,000 baht and then later drained his bank account. If true, this seems pretty shaddy and suspect. Would not even be annissue in US and Thai cops only have themselves for people's lack of trust in the system. Theres nothing in the news posts that say he suffers from any form of Dimentia or erectile problems. It is said in the news articles that the kids went to his house for english lessons. It also states he paid 14,000B for bail in which he claimed that money was extortion. To many on here are making up evidence to protect this old fellow for what reason i have not worked out yet Funny how you accuse someone of wrong facts when you clearly have not read anything on this subject. Uh, you state 14,000 baht for bail which he claimed extortion. If you read the article cited and quoted in full above you will see the 450,000 baht to be paid to multiple parties and his account be drained. If you read the prior threads on this subject from back when he was arrested, you will see he states in interviews that the kids came over twice a year, for his birthday and Christmas. You are certainly welcome to assess the credibility and decide who has more veracity, old dude or corrupt cops, but don't accuse me of making stuff up because you haven't taken the time to read everything. Oh, so it's your opinion that the old guy still gets bonners at 93 and after prostate issues. Do you have first hand knowledge of this miracle. Regarding Senile Dementia with Alzheimers disease SDAD or SDAT cannot rennet acronym, but anyway, about 85% of people over 90 have SDAT so chances are pretty good this 93 year old has some form of it. If you read my post, you will see I only stated that certain bizarre behaviors can be caused by Alzheimers. Again, if you have first hand knowledge that this old dude is in that rare 10 to 15 % of 93 year olds having no Senile Dementia and Alzheimers then I suppose you possibly could have first hand knowledge of his erectile qualities. I also am not saying guy is innocent or guilty. I have repeatedly said it is sad when you cannot trust the cops or anyone Thai when situations like this arise and accusations of extortion and revenge pervade. Edited August 7, 2012 by Scott formatting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttelise Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 (edited) Seriously though, if the cops really had pictures of this guy doing something wrong with young children, WHY on God's green earth would they release him on cheap bail when even a retard knows that pedophiles cannot control their urges and this dude would certainly do it again. Either the cops don't really have any evidence of this nature or they were paid off. Edited August 7, 2012 by ttelise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Seriously though, if the cops really had pictures of this guy doing something wrong with young children, WHY in God's green earth would they release him in cheap bail when even a retard knows that pedophiles cannot control their urges and this dude would certainly do it again. Either the cops don't really have any evidence of this nature or they were paid off. Or they don't give a squat who gets bail and who doesn't or how many times one is arrested, exemplified by a different pedophile A convicted paedophile known as the 'Ghost' who has been repeatedly released in Thailand on child rape charges was arrested again last night for the sixth time -- this time for abusing an eight-year-old boy. Maurice Praill (77), from Harold Hill, Essex, the step-father of former Ireland international footballer Jon Goodman, was arrested after police investigators saw the boy being delivered to his rented home on a motorcycle sidecar. additionally, Kraus' bail was not so cheap. He was later released on bail of 400,000 baht http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/14466811/australian-93-on-thai-pedophile-charges/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozziebloke Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 I can't seem to find anything about his being extorted 400k unless he is claiming bail is extortion. Does anyone have a link to the extortion claims as well as them clearing out his bank accounts. The only thing I see about his bank accounts in the news is that they say it appears he had been planning to flee based on his withdrawals. http://m.smh.com.au/...l#ixzz1KPKWHBr6 Fears for man, 91, in Thai child sex case Jessica Wright April 24, 2011 THE family of a 91-year-old Australian arrested in Thailand on underage sex charges are concerned for his well-being. They say he has been denied access to medicine and proper care while in custody. Karl Kraus, a former South Australian railway worker, says he was the victim of an extortion attempt by Thai authorities, who levelled bogus charges last June when he was arrested for the alleged rape of four young sisters, the youngest of whom was five. At the time of the arrest, Thai police said they seized pornographic print and electronic images from Mr Kraus's house in Thailand. They said the arrest was part of a wider inquiry into paedophiles in the area. Advertisement In a letter to The Sun-Herald, Mr Kraus, who has lived in the northern city of Chiang Mai for more than a decade, said he was pressured for 200,000 baht ($6200) by a Thai businessman in the weeks before the raid and claims he was extorted during his time in custody when it was made clear the charges would be dropped if he paid 450,000 baht ($14,175) to several parties including Thai officials. He says he was kept in custody in a medical jail facility for five days but denied access to his medication, which caused him health complications. Mr Kraus also says that when police searched his home, bed linen, computers and photographs were confiscated, along with his bank passbooks, which were used to drain his accounts. "In a letter to The Sun-Herald, Mr Kraus, who has lived in the northern city of Chiang Mai for more than a decade, said he was pressured for 200,000 baht ($6200) by a Thai businessman in the weeks before the raid and claims he was extorted during his time in custody when it was made clear the charges would be dropped if he paid 450,000 baht ($14,175) to several parties including Thai officials." I wonder if this was payment for his Soliciter?? and of course the police confiscated his computers and photographs, along with his bank passbooks. This is all normal procedure when investigating a case like this! and if all his money was drained how was he able to transfer money so to be able flee to another country and pay for rent in that country and able to support himself ? Are not all people arrested of a crime innocent and all have been stiched up by someone ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 (edited) A convicted paedophile known as the 'Ghost' who has been repeatedly released in Thailand on child rape charges was arrested again last night for the sixth time -- this time for abusing an eight-year-old boy. Maurice Praill (77), from Harold Hill, Essex, the step-father of former Ireland international footballer Jon Goodman, was arrested after police investigators saw the boy being delivered to his rented home on a motorcycle sidecar. http://www.thaivisa....e/#entry1880205 Insane. Edited August 7, 2012 by Nisa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozziebloke Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Not that there is any suggestion in any of the news accounts that this guys suffers from Alzheimer... in fact everything to suggest he is fairly shrewd and at least at the time of his arrest very mentally and physically fit for a senior ... but I have never heard that a symptom of Alzheimer being molesting children. Haha, knew it would not take long for the defender of all things Thai, Nisa. Nisa accused young girl of lying recently when rape allegations made against Thais. According to Nisa, allegations are always true if against farangs and false if made against Thais. No one us saying he has been diagnosed. Doubt Thailand docs are that proficient in areas of Alzheimers and dementia anyway or feel the need to make such diagnosis for old white farangs. I think we are just saying Alzheimers causes erratic and bizarre behaviors and that us a possible explanation. I have seen Alzheimers patients seem completely normal and lucid one minutes, turn confused and violent the next. The bigger issue seemed to be that kids only went to his house twice a year, Christmas and birthday, and they were accompanied by parents. Then a parent allegedly tried to extort money. He refused, was arrested, then cops extorted 450,000 baht and then later drained his bank account. If true, this seems pretty shaddy and suspect. Would not even be annissue in US and Thai cops only have themselves for people's lack of trust in the system. Theres nothing in the news posts that say he suffers from any form of Dimentia or erectile problems. It is said in the news articles that the kids went to his house for english lessons. It also states he paid 14,000B for bail in which he claimed that money was extortion. To many on here are making up evidence to protect this old fellow for what reason i have not worked out yet Funny how you accuse someone of wrong facts when you clearly have not read anything on this subject. Uh, you state 14,000 baht for bail which he claimed extortion. If you read the article cited and quoted in full above you will see the 450,000 baht to be paid to multiple parties and his account be drained. If you read the prior threads on this subject from back when he was arrested, you will see he states in interviews that the kids came over twice a year, for his birthday and Christmas. You are certainly welcome to assess the credibility and decide who has more veracity, old dude or corrupt cops, but don't accuse me of making stuff up because you haven't taken the time to read everything. Oh, so it's your opinion that the old guy still gets bonners at 93 and after prostate issues. Do you have first hand knowledge of this miracle. Regarding Senile Dementia with Alzheimers disease SDAD or SDAT cannot rennet acronym, but anyway, about 85% of people over 90 have SDAT so chances are pretty good this 93 year old has some form of it. If you read my post, you will see I only stated that certain bizarre behaviors can be caused by Alzheimers. Again, if you have first hand knowledge that this old dude is in that rare 10 to 15 % of 93 year olds having no Senile Dementia and Alzheimers then I suppose you possibly could have first hand knowledge of his erectile qualities. I also am not saying guy is innocent or guilty. I have repeatedly said it is sad when you cannot trust the cops or anyone Thai when situations like this arise and accusations of extortion and revenge pervade. Yes i was wrong about the 14,000B bail but was going from memmory about bail. I would like to know where you get your stats about SDAD or SDAT? are you claiming 85% of all populations old people suffer ? And are you saying that the parents, The police, The neighbours, The Australian embassy have all conspired to stitch this old fellow up ? And are you saying that the kids only went to this mans house at Christmas and there birthdays to learn english? And as i read it was his family that claimed he was being extorted. I have had family members that went through this sort of thing and what i have read through the newspapers are standed behaviour of a pedophile. You have put up some site smha.com.au That states the things you have quoted ? what is this site and where is the legitimicy of this site? I never said anywhere that he gets boners i just said there was nothing said about him having erectile problems and i have also stated that not only sexual intercourse is considered as rape comitted on a child. Yes this man has the right of innocent until proven guilty but i find that many on here are finding reasons without fact of his innocence because of his age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watcharacters Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Born in Germany in 1920's, then fled to Australia after the war. I wonder if the Simon Wiesenthal centre are interested in speaking to him as well. Firstly the man in question stands accused only and now you want to search for other possible charges? Why waste the time and effort? Would you be happy to just see him hung from a lamppost at dawn and dispense with any sort of trial? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 (edited) Haha, knew it would not take long for the defender of all things Thai, Nisa. Nisa accused young girl of lying recently when rape allegations made against Thais. According to Nisa, allegations are always true if against farangs and false if made against Thais. No one us saying he has been diagnosed. Doubt Thailand docs are that proficient in areas of Alzheimers and dementia anyway or feel the need to make such diagnosis for old white farangs. I think we are just saying Alzheimers causes erratic and bizarre behaviors and that us a possible explanation. I have seen Alzheimers patients seem completely normal and lucid one minutes, turn confused and violent the next. The bigger issue seemed to be that kids only went to his house twice a year, Christmas and birthday, and they were accompanied by parents. Then a parent allegedly tried to extort money. He refused, was arrested, then cops extorted 450,000 baht and then later drained his bank account. If true, this seems pretty shaddy and suspect. Would not even be annissue in US and Thai cops only have themselves for people's lack of trust in the system. Theres nothing in the news posts that say he suffers from any form of Dimentia or erectile problems. It is said in the news articles that the kids went to his house for english lessons. It also states he paid 14,000B for bail in which he claimed that money was extortion. To many on here are making up evidence to protect this old fellow for what reason i have not worked out yet Funny how you accuse someone of wrong facts when you clearly have not read anything on this subject. Uh, you state 14,000 baht for bail which he claimed extortion. If you read the article cited and quoted in full above you will see the 450,000 baht to be paid to multiple parties and his account be drained. If you read the prior threads on this subject from back when he was arrested, you will see he states in interviews that the kids came over twice a year, for his birthday and Christmas. You are certainly welcome to assess the credibility and decide who has more veracity, old dude or corrupt cops, but don't accuse me of making stuff up because you haven't taken the time to read everything. Oh, so it's your opinion that the old guy still gets bonners at 93 and after prostate issues. Do you have first hand knowledge of this miracle. Regarding Senile Dementia with Alzheimers disease SDAD or SDAT cannot rennet acronym, but anyway, about 85% of people over 90 have SDAT so chances are pretty good this 93 year old has some form of it. If you read my post, you will see I only stated that certain bizarre behaviors can be caused by Alzheimers. Again, if you have first hand knowledge that this old dude is in that rare 10 to 15 % of 93 year olds having no Senile Dementia and Alzheimers then I suppose you possibly could have first hand knowledge of his erectile qualities. I also am not saying guy is innocent or guilty. I have repeatedly said it is sad when you cannot trust the cops or anyone Thai when situations like this arise and accusations of extortion and revenge pervade. Yes i was wrong about the 14,000B bail but was going from memmory about bail. I would like to know where you get your stats about SDAD or SDAT? are you claiming 85% of all populations old people suffer ? And are you saying that the parents, The police, The neighbours, The Australian embassy have all conspired to stitch this old fellow up ? And are you saying that the kids only went to this mans house at Christmas and there birthdays to learn english? And as i read it was his family that claimed he was being extorted. I have had family members that went through this sort of thing and what i have read through the newspapers are standed behaviour of a pedophile. You have put up some site smha.com.au That states the things you have quoted ? what is this site and where is the legitimicy of this site? I never said anywhere that he gets boners i just said there was nothing said about him having erectile problems and i have also stated that not only sexual intercourse is considered as rape comitted on a child. Yes this man has the right of innocent until proven guilty but i find that many on here are finding reasons without fact of his innocence because of his age. Wonder what the percentage is for people being actually guilty in terms of those arrested for raping children and found to be in possession of nude pics and videos of kids in which the accused is posing with the naked children. Also wonder how one possibly being extorted for raping kids would mean they didn't rape kids. I tend to think it indicates there is some proof they did rape kids. Edited August 7, 2012 by Nisa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggunguy Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 (edited) Wonder what the percentage is for people being actually guilty in terms of those arrested for raping children and found to be in possession of nude pics and videos of kids in which the accused is posing with the naked children. Also wonder how one possibly being extorted for raping kids would mean they didn't rape kids. I tend to think it indicates there is some proof they did rape kids. from your previous posting about some maurice, who was released again and again, there is definitely proof... - that parents support the abuse and voluntarily hand over their children, and - that the police has their share on the whole "deal" . both stated in an daily mail article about this maurice-case... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1130480/Former-Catholic-lay-preacher-78-jailed-Thailand-raping-underage-girls.html what now? any action taken about this? what should the government do? Edited August 7, 2012 by biggunguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggunguy Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 and it also appears to the reader on the 90something-case, that if he had paid as soon as the first charges were raised, he would be out of prison again - or maybe never been arrested...? are pedophiles the ultimate and best piggy banks here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 @aussiebloke: The web site you queried is for the Sydney Morning Herald. Doing a bit of research in the SMH article daughter was quoted as saying he is confined to a wheelchair. I acknowledge he may have recovered as he could walk over the border to Myanmar. However in a very recent article in another Australian paper Thai's are saying he was more than capable of getting around, so why is he again confined to a wheelchair. As the old saying goes "Bullshit baffles brains". Article at: http://www.theage.com.au/national/man-93-flees-child-sex-charges-20120804-23mna.html An interesting quote from a Thai law enforcement officer. "Col.Apichart is clear the law needs reform. "There is no specific law about having child pornography in possession" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namoi Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 There's been a lot of speculation about this guy and his mental and physical state. If he is suffering from dementia of some type, it is progressive. He would not lose his faculties all at once. One of the early signs is changes in behavior. If he did molest the children, this could be a part of behavioral changes associated with dementia. Child-molestation is a life-long affliction, and it's very, very unlikely that he could make it to his 90's without being fingered somewhere along the line. It could happen, but it's highly unlikely. The pictures that were found, and purported to have been emailed to others should have drawn some kind of an investigation from the countries where they were sent. Western countries in particular, as well as the NGO's that receive donations would be quick to start uncovering this pedophile network. Did they locate the other children in these pictures? Nothing has been said. Why was he released? When was he scheduled to go to court--when he turns 100? But none of the things that should have happened have happened. A lot of strange things in this case. i think "fingered" is the magic word that is missing here 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BookMan Posted August 7, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2012 There's been a lot of speculation about this guy and his mental and physical state. If he is suffering from dementia of some type, it is progressive. He would not lose his faculties all at once. One of the early signs is changes in behavior. If he did molest the children, this could be a part of behavioral changes associated with dementia. Child-molestation is a life-long affliction, and it's very, very unlikely that he could make it to his 90's without being fingered somewhere along the line. It could happen, but it's highly unlikely. The pictures that were found, and purported to have been emailed to others should have drawn some kind of an investigation from the countries where they were sent. Western countries in particular, as well as the NGO's that receive donations would be quick to start uncovering this pedophile network. Did they locate the other children in these pictures? Nothing has been said. Why was he released? When was he scheduled to go to court--when he turns 100? But none of the things that should have happened have happened. A lot of strange things in this case. It is not highly unlikely he would escape detection until old age at all, in fact, he would have had a high chance of escaping detection. It is only very very recently, in western society, that there has been so much open and media talk about paedophiles and the education to encourage children to report inappropriate behaviours. Couple this with the fact that most sexual abuse is perpetrated by family members or close friends to the family. There are many reasons for non reporting or for non action. Just a few are: long held taboos over mentioning sexual abuse, family embarrassment, shame, fear of reprisal, fear of being an outcast, fear of not being believed that good ol Unlce Jonnie did bad things, and the list goes on. Even when reported, prosecutions can be difficult and proving the allegations and having evidence equally so. You only have to look at how various church, educational, community groups have for decades covered up abuse in their organisations. Make no mistake. Child abusers are often people with rat cunning who can manipulate and distort the truth to keep their freedom 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggunguy Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 (edited) It is only very very recently, in western society, that there has been so much open and media talk about paedophiles and the education to encourage children to report inappropriate behaviours. ... There are many reasons for non reporting or for non action. Just a few are: long held taboos over mentioning sexual abuse, family embarrassment, shame, fear of reprisal, fear of being an outcast, fear of not being believed that good ol Unlce Jonnie did bad things, and the list goes on. i agree, and this feeling embarrassment, shame, fear of reprisal will certainly never go away from any society... also the pedophiles have been there and will be there forever... but that parents deliver their children and the society looks away when knowing ... this hasnt been so in the western world... and THIS has to be punished much - if it was, then the pedophiles wouldnt see thailand (asia) as a "paradise"... but it isnt punished... or have there been reports of parents/local middle men in the press? there is no pedophile prevention, as there is no "general rapist" prevention... so it has to be made as difficult as possible for them... but here, children are a fair game? Edited August 7, 2012 by biggunguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namoi Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 (edited) There's been a lot of speculation about this guy and his mental and physical state. If he is suffering from dementia of some type, it is progressive. He would not lose his faculties all at once. One of the early signs is changes in behavior. If he did molest the children, this could be a part of behavioral changes associated with dementia. Child-molestation is a life-long affliction, and it's very, very unlikely that he could make it to his 90's without being fingered somewhere along the line. It could happen, but it's highly unlikely. The pictures that were found, and purported to have been emailed to others should have drawn some kind of an investigation from the countries where they were sent. Western countries in particular, as well as the NGO's that receive donations would be quick to start uncovering this pedophile network. Did they locate the other children in these pictures? Nothing has been said. Why was he released? When was he scheduled to go to court--when he turns 100? But none of the things that should have happened have happened. A lot of strange things in this case. It is not highly unlikely he would escape detection until old age at all, in fact, he would have had a high chance of escaping detection. It is only very very recently, in western society, that there has been so much open and media talk about paedophiles and the education to encourage children to report inappropriate behaviours. Couple this with the fact that most sexual abuse is perpetrated by family members or close friends to the family. There are many reasons for non reporting or for non action. Just a few are: long held taboos over mentioning sexual abuse, family embarrassment, shame, fear of reprisal, fear of being an outcast, fear of not being believed that good ol Unlce Jonnie did bad things, and the list goes on. Even when reported, prosecutions can be difficult and proving the allegations and having evidence equally so. You only have to look at how various church, educational, community groups have for decades covered up abuse in their organisations. Make no mistake. Child abusers are often people with rat cunning who can manipulate and distort the truth to keep their freedom so true and well said Edited August 7, 2012 by namoi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrysteve Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 It is amazing the olf fart can still get it up! But molestingg children should carry the death penality. Even thearpy has been historically useless with these creeps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 This topic is not about another pedo, that would be another topic altogether. Posts have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozziebloke Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 This topic is not about another pedo, that would be another topic altogether. Posts have been removed. enough said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttelise Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 There's been a lot of speculation about this guy and his mental and physical state. If he is suffering from dementia of some type, it is progressive. He would not lose his faculties all at once. One of the early signs is changes in behavior. If he did molest the children, this could be a part of behavioral changes associated with dementia. Child-molestation is a life-long affliction, and it's very, very unlikely that he could make it to his 90's without being fingered somewhere along the line. It could happen, but it's highly unlikely. The pictures that were found, and purported to have been emailed to others should have drawn some kind of an investigation from the countries where they were sent. Western countries in particular, as well as the NGO's that receive donations would be quick to start uncovering this pedophile network. Did they locate the other children in these pictures? Nothing has been said. Why was he released? When was he scheduled to go to court--when he turns 100? But none of the things that should have happened have happened. A lot of strange things in this case. It is not highly unlikely he would escape detection until old age at all, in fact, he would have had a high chance of escaping detection. It is only very very recently, in western society, that there has been so much open and media talk about paedophiles and the education to encourage children to report inappropriate behaviours. Couple this with the fact that most sexual abuse is perpetrated by family members or close friends to the family. There are many reasons for non reporting or for non action. Just a few are: long held taboos over mentioning sexual abuse, family embarrassment, shame, fear of reprisal, fear of being an outcast, fear of not being believed that good ol Unlce Jonnie did bad things, and the list goes on. Even when reported, prosecutions can be difficult and proving the allegations and having evidence equally so. You only have to look at how various church, educational, community groups have for decades covered up abuse in their organisations. Make no mistake. Child abusers are often people with rat cunning who can manipulate and distort the truth to keep their freedom Absolutely agree with the above. I have said many times on here pedophiles are the lowest form of human existence. I represented some your school girls who were caught having inappropriate relationships with their teachers and have seen first hand the psychological impact. Most of the pedophile in the US we see is the 20 or so year old with the 15 year old girl friend. Rarely see some old creeper dude like this. Problem in Thailand is that Thailand not only encouraged pedophilia, but attracted pedophiles all in the name of tourist dollars so no doubt there are a lot of sickos there. The situation is made worse because Thailand then tolerates known pedophiles by just making them their little personal piggy banks. The pedophile gets to molest children in Thailand and the Thai authorities shakes him down for money every so often. Disgusting all around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttelise Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 (edited) @aussiebloke: The web site you queried is for the Sydney Morning Herald. Doing a bit of research in the SMH article daughter was quoted as saying he is confined to a wheelchair. I acknowledge he may have recovered as he could walk over the border to Myanmar. However in a very recent article in another Australian paper Thai's are saying he was more than capable of getting around, so why is he again confined to a wheelchair. As the old saying goes "Bullshit baffles brains". Article at: http://www.theage.com.au/national/man-93-flees-child-sex-charges-20120804-23mna.html An interesting quote from a Thai law enforcement officer. "Col.Apichart is clear the law needs reform. "There is no specific law about having child pornography in possession" There should be a difference between have general pornography photos and having child pornography pictures of or depicting the accused. The latter is direct evidence of the act constituting the crime so it would be of no consequence whether mere possession of general pornography photos were a crime. So did cops really have inappropriate photos of this old dude with kids or not. If so, the comment about general possession of photos of others completely irrelevant and such are easy to plant after the fact. If they really have incriminating photos of this old dude in act, then they suck for letting dude out on any bail. Edited August 7, 2012 by ttelise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 (edited) I represented some your school girls who were caught having inappropriate relationships with their teachers and have seen first hand the psychological impact. Most of the pedophile in the US we see is the 20 or so year old with the 15 year old girl friend. Rarely see some old creeper dude like this. I think you are seeing and believing what you want to see and believe. In the US not only are about 1/2 of all molestation committed by a family member but the most common ages of the victims are between 8 to 12. Not to mention a fairly highly publicized case of Jerry Sandusky (68) being out on bail before being convicted of 45 acts of child molestation. Although there is no way to know for sure because of the lack of reporting of such crimes but one could certainly argue that the US could have the highest rates of child molestation. The bottom line is that Thailand has become much less a magnet for these foreign pedophiles as it has developed but poorer areas and countries will always be magnets for these sick individuals be it Thailand, Mexico, Philippines or wherever. Edited August 7, 2012 by Nisa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttelise Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 (edited) I represented some your school girls who were caught having inappropriate relationships with their teachers and have seen first hand the psychological impact. Most of the pedophile in the US we see is the 20 or so year old with the 15 year old girl friend. Rarely see some old creeper dude like this. I think you are seeing and believing what you want to see and believe. Really, so 90 year olds sexually assaulting little children is common in US according to you. Maybe it is in Thailand, but extremely uncommon here. Edited August 7, 2012 by ttelise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttelise Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 (edited) I represented some your school girls who were caught having inappropriate relationships with their teachers and have seen first hand the psychological impact. Most of the pedophile in the US we see is the 20 or so year old with the 15 year old girl friend. Rarely see some old creeper dude like this. I think you are seeing and believing what you want to see and believe. This article states 36% of sex offenders in US are children themselves and I saw another stat stating 21 % of offenders in their 20s and 30ish percent in their 30s. Nothing much about old men much less 90 year olds. http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-01-03-kid-sex-offenders_N.htm Edited August 7, 2012 by ttelise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 (edited) I represented some your school girls who were caught having inappropriate relationships with their teachers and have seen first hand the psychological impact. Most of the pedophile in the US we see is the 20 or so year old with the 15 year old girl friend. Rarely see some old creeper dude like this. I think you are seeing and believing what you want to see and believe. Really, so 90 year olds sexually assaulting little children is common in US according to you. Maybe it is in Thailand, but extremely uncommon here. Because this 90 year old German born Australian was arrested for child molesting in Thailand makes you think that it is common or uncommon in the west or more common in Thailand? Again, I think you are seeing what you want to see. But for you to ignore or consider ... below are from the first page results of a Google Search for "91 year old child molester" (you can try search for other ages but hopefully the following is enough to make the point) TUCSON, AZ - A 91-year-old Tucson man has been convicted on five counts of child molestation. http://www.abc15.com...n#ixzz22ri0va8G San Diego - 91-Year-Old Accused of Molestation http://articles.lati...ild-molestation New York - A 100-year-old pedophile has been released from prison in the U.S. despite fears he is still an "active threat" to children, http://www.foxnews.c...l#ixzz22rhgxmai (not sure why this one came up in the search) Clearly being in your 90s doesn't stop one from being a child molester despite where they live, are born or the nationality of their victims. Edited August 7, 2012 by Nisa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggunguy Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 Clearly being in your 90s doesn't stop one from being a child molester despite where they live, are born or the nationality of their victims. what can stop one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 (edited) Most of the pedophile in the US we see is the 20 or so year old with the 15 year old girl friend. That is not a pedophile. Pedophilia is defined as: Over a period of at least six months, recurrent intense sexual urges and sexually arousing fantasies involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 or younger). If the charges against this 93 year old man are true, he was having sex with young children and one was 5 years old. That is a pedophile. Edited August 7, 2012 by Ulysses G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 (edited) Clearly being in your 90s doesn't stop one from being a child molester despite where they live, are born or the nationality of their victims. what can stop one? Like many other illnesses there is no one cure that fits all. But the notion that as a whole molesters cannot stop as well as them having a higher rate of repeat offense than other serious crimes are both factually wrong. It just so happens that these are considered the lowest level of criminals and humans and it is always easy for politicians to get tough on them in order to show themselves as being tough on crime without allowing anyone to question them beyond the most extreme left. My "guess" would be that this guy has left a trail of hundreds if not thousands of victims in his lifetime and in this case he is beyond any reasonable help available as was the other older guy mentioned earlier in the thread. They have been doing it too long and have convinced themselves they are the real victims. No amount of counseling is going to help them and even castration will not stop their urges but only stop penile penetration which it sounds like this guy was not even up to. Many child molesters know what they are doing is wrong and it sickens them what they do but for whatever reason have control issues ... these types can often be helped. There are also scores of people sexually attracted to kids but never act on those desires ... similar to many healthy men being attracted to a sexy and healthy looking girl who has reached the age where she can reproduce even if they are 14-years old ... it is one thing to have the desire but another to act on it. Edited August 7, 2012 by Nisa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 (edited) @aussiebloke: The web site you queried is for the Sydney Morning Herald. Doing a bit of research in the SMH article daughter was quoted as saying he is confined to a wheelchair. I acknowledge he may have recovered as he could walk over the border to Myanmar. However in a very recent article in another Australian paper Thai's are saying he was more than capable of getting around, so why is he again confined to a wheelchair. As the old saying goes "Bullshit baffles brains". Article at: http://www.theage.co...0804-23mna.html An interesting quote from a Thai law enforcement officer. "Col.Apichart is clear the law needs reform. "There is no specific law about having child pornography in possession" It is one of those loopholes in the law here. You can't make it, sell it, distribute it or buy it but there is no specific law about possessing it. However, I believe they could have a case against the guy for producing it since it seems he was involved in producing at least some of the pictures as well as a case for distributing it via email. Other press reports indicate his neighbors saying he was very active and mobile up until when police came to get him he acted very frail and had trouble walking. There was also mention of how he used a wheelchair when going to court but not at home. Edited August 7, 2012 by Nisa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoodMaiDai Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 I still don't believe the story that a man in his 90s raped 4 girls. That screams of a set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozziebloke Posted August 7, 2012 Share Posted August 7, 2012 (edited) I still don't believe the story that a man in his 90s raped 4 girls. That screams of a set up. what is your definition of rape ? and why a setup ? Edited August 7, 2012 by ozziebloke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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