All Eyes On The Reds And Court Ruling

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BURNING ISSUE

All eyes on the reds and court ruling

Avudh Panananda

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- The Criminal Court order aimed at reining in a protest on Thursday involving the red shirts should serve as a wake-up call for all sides to rethink the pros and cons of street demonstrations.

In advance of a bail hearing for more than two dozen red-shirt leaders, deputy chief judge Jumpol Choowong has banned the reds from using loudspeakers, street hawking, blocking traffic and disorderly conduct.

Police will be deployed to enforce the law and ensure peace because, despite the court order, the red shirts still plan to rally in a show of moral support for their leaders.

Organisers are, however, encouraging the red shirts to show up at the planned rally in full force although they say they will not allow loudspeakers or street hawking.

Red-shirt chairwoman Thida Thawornseth said she would comply with the order before reminding the court that it should be mindful of its responsibility should the outcome of the bail review cause the crowds to turn unruly.

Thida's remarks hint at the gravity of the situation. The red shirts are worried that some of their leaders might have their bail revoked. Thida has made it clear that the court might face the wrath of the reds should the bail review be unfavourable.

When red-shirt leader Jatuporn Promphan attended a bail hearing on July 23, red protesters disrupted traffic and used loudspeakers to air their views against the judiciary. Due to their unrestrained activities, the protesters disturbed all judicial proceedings held in the court compound on that day.

The July 23 rally was not the first time the red shirts had acted as if they were above the law. In the past year after Pheu Thai Party came to power, the red shirts have not even bothered to apply for a permit to use loudspeakers in public places.

The police have curiously and repeatedly omitted to enforce city regulations. Time and again the red shirts have been allowed to do whatever they want at rally sites.

The public will remain in suspense as to how the red shirts will react if the bail review turns out to go against their leaders. Among those at risk of having their bail revoked is Yotwarit Chooklom, aka Jeng Dokjik.

In a controversial rally speech in June, Yotwarit disclosed the telephone numbers of Constitution Court judges and encouraged protesters to harass them ahead of a crucial verdict on the charter amendment bill.

Four key red-shirts, including Kokaew Pikulthong, have parliamentary immunity, which allows them to defer bail hearings, otherwise they too might be at risk of going back to the remand cells.

Leaders of the red-shirt movement are fully aware of the bail conditions set by the courts. But they opt to flout the law in order to continue leading political rallies.

Since 2005, the courts have handed down a number of landmark decisions which have found protests involving red and yellow shirts to be unconstitutional. Yet organisers refuse to abide by the rule of law, although they cite justice and democracy to justify their activism.

It is high time that the yellow shirts accept the reality that mobs cannot overthrow an elected government.

It is also time for the red shirts to wake up to the fact that from the days of the Roman Empire to the Cultural Revolution of China and to modern democracies, mobs can shield neither a government or a political ideology.

-- The Nation 2012-08-07

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Security boosted at court ahead of red shirts ruling

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Bailiffs and police will secure the Criminal Court building on Ratchadaphisek Road, where Jatuporn Promphan and other red-shirt leaders will learn on Thursday whether their release on bail will be cancelled.

Court secretary Orn-usa Krisnalom Charanrattanasri said yesterday that red-shirts would not be allowed to enter the compound, as 70 other cases were scheduled and convenience had to be ensured for over 100 people who had to come.

She spoke after a meeting of judges, court officers, plus crime suppression and metropolitan police, and corrections officials.

Col Chatree Kanchanakanti, superintendent of Phaholyothin Police Station, said 70 unarmed police would be stationed at the court but they could be reinforced if necessary.

There was no estimate on how many red shirts would come to support their leaders but police had contacted the leaders to help keep the gathering peaceful and orderly, he said.

Visitors and vehicles must pass through bomb detectors. If too many vehicles come, some might be allowed to park outside on the road. If the

road needed to be closed, the public will be informed via JS100 Radio, FM 91 and television, he said.

Chumpol Choowong, one of the judges considering the bail review, said barricades would be placed outside on the road as well as inside the court compound.

All visitors and media would have to exchange identification cards for entry passes, he said.

The court may not issue a ruling on Thursday, as it will have to consider the testimony of the accused.

The court has summoned 24 red-shirt leaders on charges that they breached bail conditions. They are facing charges of terrorism for their speeches and rally in front of Parliament House on June 7.

-- The Nation 2012-08-07

[Moruya]

The police have failed to police the reds.

Understatement.

Thida will abide by the law unless the decision goes against her. How very Thaksinesque

[whistleblower]

The police have failed to police the reds.

Understatement.

Thida will abide by the law unless the decision goes against her. How very Thaksinesque

Mob rule

[ramrod711]

Red-shirt chairwoman Thida Thawornseth said she would comply with the order before reminding the court that it should be mindful of its responsibility should the outcome of the bail review cause the crowds to turn unruly.

threats

Thida's remarks hint at the gravity of the situation. The red shirts are worried that some of their leaders might have their bail revoked. Thida has made it clear that the court might face the wrath of the reds should the bail review be unfavourable.

more threats

Leaders of the red-shirt movement are fully aware of the bail conditions set by the courts. But they opt to flout the law in order to continue leading political rallies.

total disregard of the law and respect for the courts

[nurofiend]

The police have failed to police the reds.

Understatement.

Thida will abide by the law unless the decision goes against her. How very Thaksinesque

Mob rule

red democracy!!!!

sorry... just wanted to know what it feels like...

[philw]

Given it's origins, can we assume the penultimate sentence of the opening article is a typo ??

[yummypizza]

Red-shirt chairwoman Thida Thawornseth said she would comply with the order before reminding the court that it should be mindful of its responsibility should the outcome of the bail review cause the crowds to turn unruly.

In a controversial rally speech in June, Yotwarit disclosed the telephone numbers of Constitution Court judges and encouraged protesters to harass them ahead of a crucial verdict on the charter amendment bill.

You'd think that was enough to ban them...where did they get the court judges numbers from?....lol

[whybother]

Given it's origins, can we assume the penultimate sentence of the opening article is a typo ??

No. Given the sentences either side of it, it is correct.

[Moruya]

The police have failed to police the reds.

Understatement.

Thida will abide by the law unless the decision goes against her. How very Thaksinesque

Mob rule

red democracy!!!!

sorry... just wanted to know what it feels like...

It's better than sex

[Buchholz]

Red-shirt chairwoman Thida Thawornseth said she would comply with the order before reminding the court that it should be mindful of its responsibility should the outcome of the bail review cause the crowds to turn unruly.

In a controversial rally speech in June, Yotwarit disclosed the telephone numbers of Constitution Court judges and encouraged protesters to harass them ahead of a crucial verdict on the charter amendment bill.

You'd think that was enough to ban them...where did they get the court judges numbers from?....lol

I would imagine they are available from Interior Ministry databases which has most information on most Thais.

Yotwarit is the Deputy Secretary-General to the Interior Minister.

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Edited August 7, 2012 by Buchholz

[WhizBang]

I would imagine they are available from Interior Ministry databases which has most information on most Thais.

Yotwarit is the Deputy Secretary-General to the Interior Minister..

So, unless that information is freely available to the public, he then violated many security/confidentiality laws, including the draconian computer crimes law. Time to lock this a-hole up and throw away the key.

[Credo]

Except, we don't know where the phone numbers came from.

[Robby nz]

Red-shirt chairwoman Thida Thawornseth said she would comply with the order before reminding the court that it should be mindful of its responsibility should the outcome of the bail review cause the crowds to turn unruly.

threats

Thida's remarks hint at the gravity of the situation. The red shirts are worried that some of their leaders might have their bail revoked. Thida has made it clear that the court might face the wrath of the reds should the bail review be unfavourable.

more threats

Leaders of the red-shirt movement are fully aware of the bail conditions set by the courts. But they opt to flout the law in order to continue leading political rallies.

total disregard of the law and respect for the courts

Indeed direct unvailed threats to the court and judges.

Should this not be enough to get her up there next time?

[MunterHunter]

Should this not be enough to get her up there next time?

Next time? why wait...?

/Edit: I'm sure if it were a Democrat saying these words, the red mob would have been Judge, Jury and executioner already by now

Edited August 7, 2012 by MunterHunter

[Buchholz]

I would imagine they are available from Interior Ministry databases which has most information on most Thais.

Yotwarit is the Deputy Secretary-General to the Interior Minister..

So, unless that information is freely available to the public, he then violated many security/confidentiality laws, including the draconian computer crimes law. Time to lock this a-hole up and throw away the key.

He may not go quietly.

Red Shirt Leader and Deputy Secretary-General to the Interior Minister Yotwarit "Jeng Dokjik" Chuklom

Naewna Newspaper (article in Thai)

http://www.naewna.com/

Edited August 7, 2012 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

Except, we don't know where the phone numbers came from.

one possibility would be but a few keystrokes worth of effort for "someone" with the right amount of access:

The Interior Ministry of Thailand is an important Cabinet-level department in the Government of Thailand. The Ministry is given wide ranging responsibilities over many aspects. For example the Ministry has responsibility over: the Royal Thai Police, local administrations, internal security, citizenship, disaster management, land management, issuing national identity cards and public works.

http://en.wikipedia....rior_(Thailand)

Edited August 7, 2012 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

Red-shirt chairwoman Thida Thawornseth said she would comply with the order before reminding the court that it should be mindful of its responsibility should the outcome of the bail review cause the crowds to turn unruly.

threats

Thida's remarks hint at the gravity of the situation. The red shirts are worried that some of their leaders might have their bail revoked. Thida has made it clear that the court might face the wrath of the reds should the bail review be unfavourable.

more threats

Leaders of the red-shirt movement are fully aware of the bail conditions set by the courts. But they opt to flout the law in order to continue leading political rallies.

total disregard of the law and respect for the courts

Indeed direct unveiled threats to the court and judges.

Should this not be enough to get her up there next time?

Ironic, eh, that she threatens the court, which is deciding on bail revocations because of threats.

It's apparently lost on her.

.

[khunken]

8 hours & we haven't had a 'but the yellow shirts' response.

Is this a record?

[Moruya]

8 hours & we haven't had a 'but the yellow shirts' response.

Is this a record?

Sooner or later, the mad daengos will realise that instead of joining the workingman's club, they've signed up to the graverobbers' association

[easybullet3]

she is threatening the judge!!! (almost blackmailing him):

Red-shirt chairwoman Thida Thawornseth said she would comply with the order before reminding the court that it should be mindful of its responsibility should the outcome of the bail review cause the crowds to turn unruly.

thats 100% a threat of action if he doesn't comply with the reds!

[TomTao]

Amazing Thailand, the land of bare toothed threats against the judiciary. The court has a job to do, that is trying to carry out the law in this lawless society, I am sure the judges have the ability to refer the threats to the police, but then the question is, would the police act against the group to which the current government, including the minister in charge of the police are allied with? Will the police minister and the police chief act against the leader of the red shirts when they themselves are red shirts? If it all blows up in Bangkok will the army step in to protect the population and the judiciary? If they do will the reds call foul and mobilise the mindless minion mob?

[philw]

Amazing Thailand.....................If it all blows up in Bangkok will the army step in to protect the population and the judiciary? If they do will the reds call foul and mobilise the mindless minion mob?

Will it rain on thursday and who will mobilise the the mindless minion mob in their most massive mastications moreover............

Stay tuned for the next breathless effort.

Meanwhile, life in Thailand goes on and the majority of the people get on with their lives.

[Tanaka]

Red-shirt chairwoman Thida Thawornseth said she would comply with the order before reminding the court that it should be mindful of its responsibility should the outcome of the bail review cause the crowds to turn unruly.

threats

Thida's remarks hint at the gravity of the situation. The red shirts are worried that some of their leaders might have their bail revoked. Thida has made it clear that the court might face the wrath of the reds should the bail review be unfavourable.

more threats

Leaders of the red-shirt movement are fully aware of the bail conditions set by the courts. But they opt to flout the law in order to continue leading political rallies.

total disregard of the law and respect for the courts

Indeed direct unveiled threats to the court and judges.

Should this not be enough to get her up there next time?

Ironic, eh, that she threatens the court, which is deciding on bail revocations because of threats.

It's apparently lost on her.

.

Not the only thing lost (loose) on her.

[Tanaka]

Except, we don't know where the phone numbers came from.

one possibility would be but a few keystrokes worth of effort for "someone" with the right amount of access:

The Interior Ministry of Thailand is an important Cabinet-level department in the Government of Thailand. The Ministry is given wide ranging responsibilities over many aspects. For example the Ministry has responsibility over: the Royal Thai Police, local administrations, internal security, citizenship, disaster management, land management, issuing national identity cards and public works.

http://en.wikipedia....rior_(Thailand)

Should it be "Inferior Ministry of Thailand"?

[GentlemanJim]

Never in the history of mankind has any woman been in such dire need of a good rogering than Thida. She is a sour faced, sour mouthed old bat, and it might just put a smile on her face. So, who's man enough for the job, are you Man or Mouse? squeek squeek, where's my cheese!

[nurofiend]

The police have failed to police the reds.

Understatement.

Thida will abide by the law unless the decision goes against her. How very Thaksinesque

Mob rule

red democracy!!!!

sorry... just wanted to know what it feels like...

It's better than sex

mmm, i definitely needed a shower after it anyway.

[waza]

I would opt for circumcision and skin grafts post-coitus

[TomTao]

Amazing Thailand.....................If it all blows up in Bangkok will the army step in to protect the population and the judiciary? If they do will the reds call foul and mobilise the mindless minion mob?

Will it rain on thursday and who will mobilise the the mindless minion mob in their most massive mastications moreover............

Stay tuned for the next breathless effort.

Meanwhile, life in Thailand goes on and the majority of the people get on with their lives.

The master's moochers would mobilise the morbid mass of mindless minion as they march enmass to test thier mortality in response to thier master's machinations.

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[OzMick]

red democracy!!!!

sorry... just wanted to know what it feels like...

It's better than sex

mmm, i definitely needed a shower after it anyway.

Seeming it's Olympics season, go for gold.