U N Human Rights Commissioner Says Thailand Should Try Those Responsible For 2010 Deaths

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UN HIGH COMMISSIONER FOR HUMAN RIGHTS

Thailand should try those responsible for 2010 deaths

Pillay

NEW YORK: -- Thailand has the responsibility to bring tojustice those responsible for the deaths of 92 people during massdemonstrations in 2010, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay said Tuesday.

A report by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Thailand,which was set up by the government, concluded with "substantive findings backed by forensic evidence" and recommendations to bringthe perpetrators to justice, Pillay said in Geneva.

"In spite of its limited mandate and initial difficulties, the(Truth and Reconciliation Commission) has conducted an important investigation into political violence and human rights violations inThailand," Pillay said.

"The Royal Thai government now has the responsibility to act on the (commission’s) recommendations, both in holding state officialsto account and addressing the institutional weaknesses identified inthe report." Pillay called for the Thai government to preserve evidence and information gathered by the commission for the prosecution of the perpetrators.

In addition to the commission’s report on political violence in2010, Thailand’s National Human Rights Commission was expected tosoon release a detailed account of human rights violations, Pillay said.

-- The Nation 2012-09-19

[asiawatcher]

I wish these people would pull their heads in - it is nothing to do with them, and why would they think they can solve anything by stirring the pot? As already stated - Reds started it, Army/Govt finished it, Reds fired first, Govt retaliated - people got killed whilst the "Police" stood by and watched/supported the Reds. Man oh man this is so screwed up!

[Nickymaster]

Very interesting. The deadlock might be broken soon.

[bapak]

And how about bringing to justice those behind the death of 78 Thai Muslims in Tak Bai in 2004 and the victims of Thaksin's war on drugs also in 2004.

[FarangTalk]

It needs outside influence to resolve this. Thais themselves are not capable.

[Nickymaster]

And how about bringing to justice those behind the death of 78 Thai Muslims in Tak Bai in 2004 and the victims of Thaksin's war on drugs also in 2004.

They are next.

[Mosha]

And how about bringing to justice those behind the death of 78 Thai Muslims in Tak Bai in 2004 and the victims of Thaksin's war on drugs also in 2004.

They are next.

They should be 1st

[rixalex]

Firstly, there seems to be a tendency to assume that because someone is killed, that immediately makes them a victim who played no part in their own death. It may be true, it may not be true. It is something we need to establish first before assuming that someone needs to be tried.

Secondly, the UN High Commissioner should be aware that all these investigations are just a show. They won't lead anywhere, least of all to high ranking people going to jail. It's all part of a political game. PTP need leverage on the Dems, so they can get the Dems to stop delaying the whitewash Thaksin bill. That's all this is about. Nothing more. If you want evidence of this, just look at the way the victim's families on receiving their blankety blank cheques, were made to sign an agreement that they would not take legal action.

[beano2274]

So lets see some Reds get jail sentences especially those high up in the UDD, as they got the crowds there, they also knew what the men in Black were going to do, so it could be per-meditated murder or manslaughter.

[MunterHunter]

So get Thaksin in court then... if he didn't finance it, no-one would have died

[philw]

And how about bringing to justice those behind the death of 78 Thai Muslims in Tak Bai in 2004 and the victims of Thaksin's war on drugs also in 2004.

Good idea, I would like to see this.

[philw]

Recent events indicate that the momentum for serious inquiries, proper scrutiny of actions / decisions and perhaps indictments and court cases is building.

Perhaps some Dems and Generals might be getting a bit nervous.

[rixalex]

Recent events indicate that the momentum for serious inquiries, proper scrutiny of actions / decisions and perhaps indictments and court cases is building.

Perhaps some Dems and Generals might be getting a bit nervous.

Considering that the latest report finding concluded blame on both sides, why is it you only talk about the Dems and Generals getting nervous?

[Nickymaster]

Recent events indicate that the momentum for serious inquiries, proper scrutiny of actions / decisions and perhaps indictments and court cases is building.

Perhaps some Dems and Generals might be getting a bit nervous.

Haven't you read the news lately?

The only nervous people I have seen (after the report came out) are Thida, Chalerm and some other reds.

"Pillay called for the Thai government to preserve evidence and information gathered by the commission for the prosecution of the perpetrators.

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[ratcatcher]

I am sure Mr Thaksin has been a bit nervous for the last six years, otherwise he would be among us.

I am sure Mr Abhisit and his colleagues will take all this in stride and handle it with their usual capable style.

[easybullet3]

how about human Rights for freedom of speech?

[philw]

Recent events indicate that the momentum for serious inquiries, proper scrutiny of actions / decisions and perhaps indictments and court cases is building.

Perhaps some Dems and Generals might be getting a bit nervous.

Considering that the latest report finding concluded blame on both sides, why is it you only talk about the Dems and Generals getting nervous?

Actually I would be pleased to see those responsible from ALL sides in court, as this ( in my opinion ) is the only way the country can go forwards.

Like said, those from ALL sides.

So far it's only the reds, with luck that will change.

[rixalex]

Recent events indicate that the momentum for serious inquiries, proper scrutiny of actions / decisions and perhaps indictments and court cases is building.

Perhaps some Dems and Generals might be getting a bit nervous.

Considering that the latest report finding concluded blame on both sides, why is it you only talk about the Dems and Generals getting nervous?

Actually I would be pleased to see those responsible from ALL sides in court, as this ( in my opinion ) is the only way the country can go forwards.

Like said, those from ALL sides.

So far it's only the reds, with luck that will change.

So do you think Thaksin might be getting a bit nervous?

[luckyman]

I wish these people would pull their heads in - it is nothing to do with them, and why would they think they can solve anything by stirring the pot? As already stated - Reds started it, Army/Govt finished it, Reds fired first, Govt retaliated - people got killed whilst the "Police" stood by and watched/supported the Reds. Man oh man this is so screwed up!

great post, Asiawatcher, I could not agree more, thanks a lot and keep 'm coming!!

[MobileContent]

Recent events indicate that the momentum for serious inquiries, proper scrutiny of actions / decisions and perhaps indictments and court cases is building.

Perhaps some Dems and Generals might be getting a bit nervous.

I think the generals will be fine. May be Suthep and Abhisit might join Thaksin in Dubai

[philw]

Recent events indicate that the momentum for serious inquiries, proper scrutiny of actions / decisions and perhaps indictments and court cases is building.

Perhaps some Dems and Generals might be getting a bit nervous.

Considering that the latest report finding concluded blame on both sides, why is it you only talk about the Dems and Generals getting nervous?

Actually I would be pleased to see those responsible from ALL sides in court, as this ( in my opinion ) is the only way the country can go forwards.

Like said, those from ALL sides.

So far it's only the reds, with luck that will change.

So do you think Thaksin might be getting a bit nervous?

Don't know, only met him once.

Only met Av once also.

Don't bait.

[rixalex]

So do you think Thaksin might be getting a bit nervous?

Don't know, only met him once.

Only met Av once also.

Don't bait.

Can't really see how meeting them relates to the question, but still...

[SICHONSTEVE]

And how about bringing to justice those behind the death of 78 Thai Muslims in Tak Bai in 2004 and the victims of Thaksin's war on drugs also in 2004.

Oh c'mon - there is a perfect justication for the government's actions, as outlined below:

"The government claimed that only around 50 of the deaths were at the hands of the police, the rest being drug traffickers who were being silenced by their dealers and their dealers' dealers. Human rights critics claimed a large number were extrajudicially executed".

Surely there must have been some dealers' dealers' dealers' involved in this 'lemming like' orgy of killing!!

Also, we are only talking about the death of 2,275 people with 1,400 unlucky civilians being in the wrong place at the wrong time - what was Thaksin's punishment following his pleas of "I ain't done nuffink wrong" (even though they actually admitted killing an absurdly low estimate of 50 people) ,,,,,OK, we believe you, off you go to wreak more havoc on Thailand!!!!

NB: in this obvious case of wrongdoing the humans rights critics claims amounted to 'naff all'!!!

[bigbamboo]

I wish these people would pull their heads in - it is nothing to do with them, and why would they think they can solve anything by stirring the pot? As already stated - Reds started it, Army/Govt finished it, Reds fired first, Govt retaliated - people got killed whilst the "Police" stood by and watched/supported the Reds. Man oh man this is so screwed up!

That's impressive.

You've managed to put into less than forty words what the TRCC needed more than two hundred and forty pages to do.

Now that's what I call precis!

Edited September 19, 2012 by bigbamboo

[siampolee]

I seem to recall a comment by the Red Shirt sponsor Thaksin ''that the U.N. is not my father.''

Surely Thaksin and his acolytes must be duty bound to reject the call from the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay by telling us that now the U.N is not my mother either.

[djlest]

I was here during the whole red shirt fiasco, infact i was staying about 20 meters from the front line on Rama 4 road and watched the whole thing from basically within the trenches.

I now see the world in a completely different way, Comments like the UN make, and Freedom for democracy, i realize how easy it is to manipulate the rest of the world to think something completely false.

The soldiers guarded my shop day and night and gave us water which they had plenty of, they even offered us the excess food packages, they were amazing seriously and very professional, calm and collective.

The reds were absolute animals, sharpening bamboo poles and taking over the city, putting up a big sign saying this is a peaceful protest with sharpened bamboo spike fortress is an absolute contradiction.

Blocking the entire business district. Causing chaos and ruining businesses. if you think they were not armed let me tell you as soon as it got to 8pm the thugs were out and about, they were absolutely armed.

I witnessed buses being set on fire, i even saw the reds hijack a taxi and drag him out of the cab and beat him to a pulp. I was also involved in a grenade attack which happened directly above our heads, that in itself started a red riot and even though my passengers fully supported the reds, the minute they saw them all running towards our car they fled in absolute fear. Absolute hypocrites.

The reds started it, i guarantee you that, and they kept it going and going and going, the army was amazingly patient as were the police, they did their best to difuse it but lets face it. When the reds are armed with weapons and refuse to move, Then they bring in children and womnen and pay them all 500 baht a day to protest, well what on earth can any government do to regain control?

They were given 6 weeks then given plenty of warnings to move out because the army have to go in and take back the business district.

But the reds when they lost control to the army they go and set fire to half of Bangkok and innocent peoples businesses and houses.

What kind of behaviour is this exactly? I'm sorry but the Human rights commissioner needs his head removing from his orifice. they were out of control and a danger to all of us and society, they were murderers and looters and needed to be culled.

what choice do they seriously have? To leave them there to take over the whole of Bangkok and put the country in Massive debt. They already cost Billions and for what?

And then after all the mess, the red leaders left the so called innocent stuck in Bangkok with no money left to return to Isarn. Thousands of them were hanging around asking the yellows what should they do?

The Gov had to pay for buses to send them back home, and they found tons of merchandise, watches, jewellery, bags, trainers, and basically stuff that was looted on the buggers.

What about the Law? isn't that a human right too? Are we not entitles to some justice?

The gov acted way to calmly and peaceful to be honest, in any other country it would probably have been a lot more dead that a few hundred, afterall it was a civil war the reds wanted otherwise why would they hijack the business district of bangkok. A peaceful protest could have been set up in the parks not affecting anyones livelihoods or property, that just blatently goes to show how what they wanted was VIOLENCE and Taksin manipulated the reds to do just that.

a peaceful protest in the name of democracy? absolute lie!

Im all for Human rights and i hate governments and corruption and i know that most of what goes on here is just for money. But as a witness to the whole event it was seriously Taksin trying to run for government, trying to regain power at the expense of his pawns. Nothing more and nothing less - the reds are guilty and red handed. What they did they should be ashamed of themselves.

Edited September 19, 2012 by djlest

[BrianCR]

I wish these people would pull their heads in - it is nothing to do with them, and why would they think they can solve anything by stirring the pot? As already stated - Reds started it, Army/Govt finished it, Reds fired first, Govt retaliated - people got killed whilst the "Police" stood by and watched/supported the Reds. Man oh man this is so screwed up!

You have no idea what you are talking about

[hellodolly]

And how about bringing to justice those behind the death of 78 Thai Muslims in Tak Bai in 2004 and the victims of Thaksin's war on drugs also in 2004.

Talk about corruption the UN Commissioner for human rights Navi Pillay had not one word to say against the master mind behind all three of these events.

Kind of makes one wonder if there might not have been some envelopes changing hands.

[hellodolly]

And how about bringing to justice those behind the death of 78 Thai Muslims in Tak Bai in 2004 and the victims of Thaksin's war on drugs also in 2004.

They are next.

They should be 1st

They are on the UN Human Rights not in this life list of things to do.

[philw]

And how about bringing to justice those behind the death of 78 Thai Muslims in Tak Bai in 2004 and the victims of Thaksin's war on drugs also in 2004.

Talk about corruption the UN Commissioner for human rights Navi Pillay had not one word to say against the master mind behind all three of these events.

Kind of makes one wonder if there might not have been some envelopes changing hands.

Errr, that's two.