smotherb Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 For you guys wondering where the 10 mil went, I finished reading the article for you. A House, a car, household & consumer goods. Plus 2 years cost of living. Possibly some unnecessary things that men in love spend money on. Perhaps expenses related to his grandfather's funeral. Didn't read anything about champagne etc., where did you guys see that? Exactly, typing before reading or thinking. Potential forum posters ought to have to pass a reading comprehension test before being able to comment. Alas, there would be no forum would there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianP Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 For you guys wondering where the 10 mil went, I finished reading the article for you. A House, a car, household & consumer goods. Plus 2 years cost of living. Possibly some unnecessary things that men in love spend money on. Perhaps expenses related to his grandfather's funeral. Didn't read anything about champagne etc., where did you guys see that? I second that. It's very easy to spend that amount of money if you run into an accomplished mother/daughter team that skillfully cons you into buying even the most ludicrous "consumer goods". I am also wondering from who he "bought" the land on which the house is standing. I bet it was the MIL (and the land title was of course in the absconded daughter's name). The fact that the German was allowed to stay in the house until his money ran out and was only then kicked out by the MIL makes that scenario even more likely. What kind of visa did he have to stay,or did he do the many border runs? Didn't he have to put 400k in the bank for eligibility ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgey Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 Great place to visit, Thailand. Plenty of people I know also who are spending a great retirement or end of their working days there. But unfortunately you also get these stories. The laws forbidding foreign ownership of land are a necessity but can lead to misplaced trust and loss of all assets. And the previous posts where it has been mentioned how did he spend 5m THB in 2 years. Yes, how did he? Even A whole year renting a pretty good room in Pattaya and having sex every night and expensive meals and plenty of drinks couldn't come to more than 250000 THB. Before you do the mistake of following in this guys footsteps, you better sit down and do some serious REcalculating! Based on your numbers, I would not like to meet your rented company small issue of a decimal place! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javel Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 Another possible version of the story: Fell in love and got a child. Met the family, and wanted a better life also for them. Knew that the money would not last for ever, so made this plan. 1) Set up MIL for a nice life in Thailand. 2) Live with family until money runs out. 3) Move back to Germany with family. 4) Work for him and wife, and education for son. 5) When they retire move back to house in Thailand. ...well plan failed, but may not have sounded to stupid to him initially. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techboy Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 OMG This place will never change got money ok OMG ...Yo did not make a point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisinth Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 For you guys wondering where the 10 mil went, I finished reading the article for you. A House, a car, household & consumer goods. Plus 2 years cost of living. Possibly some unnecessary things that men in love spend money on. Perhaps expenses related to his grandfather's funeral. Didn't read anything about champagne etc., where did you guys see that? I second that. It's very easy to spend that amount of money if you run into an accomplished mother/daughter team that skillfully cons you into buying even the most ludicrous "consumer goods". I am also wondering from who he "bought" the land on which the house is standing. I bet it was the MIL (and the land title was of course in the absconded daughter's name). The fact that the German was allowed to stay in the house until his money ran out and was only then kicked out by the MIL makes that scenario even more likely. What kind of visa did he have to stay,or did he do the many border runs? Didn't he have to put 400k in the bank for eligibility ?? If he had a dependency visa (marriage visa) he would need 400k in a bank account three months prior to application. Once the visa is issued, he can spend that and as long as he reaches the financial requirements (as above) for his next extension, he is OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatcher Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 To get divorced, you need to be married first, which he obviously wasn't as that would make him the legal father of the child automatically. Does being legally married to the Thai woman necessarily guarantee that he is the legal father of the child? If she was a member of the Thailand Hostess Society (Pattaya Chapter) then is it not possible she could actually have produced a 3rd party's child unbeknownst to the German man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrain Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 So he built a house to live in with his wife and son, she takes off and when the money runs out the mother in law kicks him and her grand baby out of the house that he had built with his money? I do not understand Thainess. Why can't he go for an abandonment divorce and get half of the house, making it sold under a court order. That will bring the Thai user here out of her hiding hole. To get divorced, you need to be married first, which he obviously wasn't as that would make him the legal father of the child automatically. It states all the way through the OP that he is searching for his Thai Wife. If he was married for Budha, the Thais would also call it his wife.Otherwise, please explain why a legally married man needs to proof the fatherhood of the son from his wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semper Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 For you guys wondering where the 10 mil went, I finished reading the article for you. A House, a car, household & consumer goods. Plus 2 years cost of living. Possibly some unnecessary things that men in love spend money on. Perhaps expenses related to his grandfather's funeral. Didn't read anything about champagne etc., where did you guys see that? Sorry, it's nothing to do with champagne etc . . . buy a house, fine, why? he can't own it and as can be seen now he's lost it . . . a car, fine, he can own that . . . so let's say he went wild and blew 5M on those 2 things . . . then another 5M in costs of living over 2 years? Jeez, he's mad. Well, he might have paid a couple of mill in sinsod. And yes that would be mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
personchester Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 So he built a house to live in with his wife and son, she takes off and when the money runs out the mother in law kicks him and her grand baby out of the house that he had built with his money? I do not understand Thainess. To kick him out is not entirely strange since he is not the legal owner of the house, notwithstanding the fact that it was his money for the purchase, but for his mother in law to also kick her grand son is not understandable. Nevertheless, he should know of course who the legal house owner is, his wife or her mother, if it is his wife then the mother in law would have no right to kick him out, so why did this occur, and on who's instruction. In any event before departing from he house he should have sought the advice from a solicitor due to the fact that he provided the money for the house purchase and is thefore legally protected from being kicked out. The absents of his wife is strange, but he should no longer be interested in her, he has two purposes, firstly to get matters of his son sorted, and then ensure legally that the house be placed on the market, and that he will at least get 50% of the sale price. When all of this is sorted, then back to Germany as suggested, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatsujin Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 Otherwise, please explain why a legally married man needs to proof the fatherhood of the son from his wife. Assuming he was actually legally married, that still has nothing to do with whether he can prove he is the father of the child. Without his full and correct name on the birth certificate, being married to the woman means nothing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrain Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 To get divorced, you need to be married first, which he obviously wasn't as that would make him the legal father of the child automatically. Does being legally married to the Thai woman necessarily guarantee that he is the legal father of the child? If she was a member of the Thailand Hostess Society (Pattaya Chapter) then is it not possible she could actually have produced a 3rd party's child unbeknownst to the German man? In the OP is stated that the child was born during his " marriage". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrain Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 (edited) Otherwise, please explain why a legally married man needs to proof the fatherhood of the son from his wife. Assuming he was actually legally married, that still has nothing to do with whether he can prove he is the father of the child. Without his full and correct name on the birth certificate, being married to the woman means nothing at all. Isn't a child born during a legal marriage, automatically assumed to be the offspring from both married people ? Edited October 13, 2012 by jbrain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Payboy Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 50% of me feels sorry for this guy. The other 50% of me thinks he is yet another fool.To be 10 million Baht down in only 2 years is idiocy. Look on the bright side, at least he wasn't bumped off by the "brother". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unanimosity Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 So he built a house to live in with his wife and son, she takes off and when the money runs out the mother in law kicks him and her grand baby out of the house that he had built with his money? I do not understand Thainess. Looks pretty obvious from here. What;s not to understand? Your dilemma may be in trying to believe in something you wish would happen......against all odds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaidDown Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 Otherwise, please explain why a legally married man needs to proof the fatherhood of the son from his wife. Assuming he was actually legally married, that still has nothing to do with whether he can prove he is the father of the child. Without his full and correct name on the birth certificate, being married to the woman means nothing at all. Isn't a child born during a legal marriage, automatically assumed to be the offspring from both married people ? Yes that is certainly true, but, for me anyway, it is unclear if they were legally married. While the article uses the term 'wife' often it also says ' So they lived together for a year, and had a son'. Of course do not know what particular paper the German Authorities require to be signed, could be permission to take the child or similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbman2000 Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 To all of the members that are still suggesting a DNA test, please read Bender's post (post # 50). When I went through this with my oldest boy I was told that I had to have the mother's permission to have the child's DNA tested. JohanV, I agree with 99% of your post but when the birth certificate is only in Thai and the only translation that you get at the registration office is through the child's mother, it is impossible to know what is really being put on the birth certificate. Also I believe that any man can have their name on the birth certificate but to be the accepted as the real father you have to be named on the document twice (or something along those lines), which most foreigners would not know about. My name was on my boy's birth certificate but I was told that it did not count for squat. I'm half Thai. My father was not around for my birth so my uncle was put on the birth certificate (not as my father). My biological father ended up having to adopt me later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 For you guys wondering where the 10 mil went, I finished reading the article for you. A House, a car, household & consumer goods. Plus 2 years cost of living. Possibly some unnecessary things that men in love spend money on. Perhaps expenses related to his grandfather's funeral. Didn't read anything about champagne etc., where did you guys see that? Sorry, it's nothing to do with champagne etc . . . buy a house, fine, why? he can't own it and as can be seen now he's lost it . . . a car, fine, he can own that . . . so let's say he went wild and blew 5M on those 2 things . . . then another 5M in costs of living over 2 years? Jeez, he's mad. Well, he might have paid a couple of mill in sinsod. And yes that would be mad. If it was all paid for around the time they got married, that is what she will claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrain Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 To all of the members that are still suggesting a DNA test, please read Bender's post (post # 50). When I went through this with my oldest boy I was told that I had to have the mother's permission to have the child's DNA tested. JohanV, I agree with 99% of your post but when the birth certificate is only in Thai and the only translation that you get at the registration office is through the child's mother, it is impossible to know what is really being put on the birth certificate. Also I believe that any man can have their name on the birth certificate but to be the accepted as the real father you have to be named on the document twice (or something along those lines), which most foreigners would not know about. My name was on my boy's birth certificate but I was told that it did not count for squat. I'm half Thai. My father was not around for my birth so my uncle was put on the birth certificate (not as my father). My biological father ended up having to adopt me later. Was your father legally married to your mother at the time of your birth ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phuketjoy Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 they should at least show us a photo of the wife so everyone can look for her! DNA in Thailand dont matter you need signatures from her!! lets post a photo of the non carring wife so every one knows her face! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamTheFarang Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 Hi, having spent a few minutes on the internet it is possible to test for fatherhood without the mother being available. http://www.dna-testing-adviser.com/PaternityTestDNA.html please note "But paternity can still be checked without the mother’s DNA" I think this can be done in Thailand. I am optimistic that the German Embassy has legal procudures for DNA testing both it's administration and legal procedures, alternatively if the boy was issued with a Thai Passport if DNA is proven can he then apply for German residency on the basis of established fatherhood. Sadly I am sure there are other cases like this so there is a way to sort it out. He is a good man for standing by the boy who I hope will respect this when he grows up, more than can be said for his wife and his mather in law. People like them blame poor education etc but in reality they are the lowest form of life you do not abandon family. There should be laws to prevent mother's from running away from small children, charges like neglect, attempted murder etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thailand49 Posted October 13, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2012 Gentlement, It disturbs me all the personal negative backseat opinions about the guy. Lets just say shit happens to people for whatever reasons and as we know being in Thailand it could turn strong men into butter. The real issue I think everyone will agree is the interest in the child and that interest is to make sure the child doesn't grow up in such a backward thinking country that feel that Farangs can be abused. Regardless of what he did here he is on the right track now trying to take his son out and back to Germany. I'm sure he will have more help from family to help him get back on his feet. The first and only priority is to get his son out of Thailand so he doesn't grow up learning the b.s. Thais learn. As for the useless Thai family. like many the fruit doesn't fall too far from the tree! The mother knows and some pressure in her direction I believe can get the mother out from hiding. Depending on his cash flow etc... he should get someone who speaks Thai and English and tell the mother that he is going to get the house back in the Thai court.. because he can prove the purchase came from his bank account and therefore his son is the inherit owner. In general the family has no money to fight back and will be scared because (rarely do they have any real education) tell the mother all he wants is for your daughter to sign the document and he will drop the challenge. He doesn't want the house just for her to sign and be on his way! I seen this happen many times with Thais more times its a mind game. As farangs we don't need to judge him lets give this guy some supporting advice that will help him get him and his son out of this hell hole of a culture of negative thinking that farangs are nothing but dogs? 10 million baht even here doesn't go very far... for very long! especially for a guy 42 years of age. He's young enough and most likely have family help in Germany! I wish him and his son luck!! get out while you can! 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarangTalk Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 In Germany he will be able to enjoy proper sausages once again! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareastguy Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 Another "farang" done up like a kipper, boned out & kicked out ! Mother & daughter make quite a team.. now on to the next one. As my late father used to say "a fool & his money are soon parted" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim walker Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 (edited) It is such a sad time for Thailand and Thai people where absolutely everything in life revolves around MONEY nothing else is important. A few years ago western people used to be amazed how important family was always put family first in Thailand much respect to Thai people. How things have changed in a few years now its <<Snip!>> the family just give me money money Edited October 13, 2012 by metisdead : Profanity 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falang07 Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 Great place to visit, Thailand. Plenty of people I know also who are spending a great retirement or end of their working days there. But unfortunately you also get these stories. The laws forbidding foreign ownership of land are a necessity but can lead to misplaced trust and loss of all assets. And the previous posts where it has been mentioned how did he spend 5m THB in 2 years. Yes, how did he? Even A whole year renting a pretty good room in Pattaya and having sex every night and expensive meals and plenty of drinks couldn't come to more than 250000 THB. I think our math in here has some serious holes, sex every nigh alone would be more expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipperylobster Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 He sure had the guts to run to the media and publish his bad judgement. Sinsod?? I understand she was a sex worker and he could have just barfined her daily for two years and got some change back. Well he sure picked out the fastest place in the world to lose your money...Pattaya. Its a common joke up here in Udon Thani how these girls..mostly already married to Thais with their own kids...can snatch up a gullible farang down in Pattaya or Phuket and wring him dry. An expensive lesson for him. LOL..I had this happen in the Philippines 20 years ago. Can't really blame the girls...the farangs really think these beautiful young girls need to be saved from their life of prostitution!!! By giving them free houses and cars/millions in sinsod...you are just encouraging their prostitution! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 (edited) Another + for the Thai family What kind of grandmother would kick her own grandson out of the house because dad ran out of money taking care of her? Absolutely pathetic, disgusting and heartbreaking. This seems to be normal behavior here; would love to see some decent Thais take a stand and condemn this kind of behavior. Dont see it happening though I know a case in which decent Thai's (hi-so/ well educated as a matter of fact) have requested to give testimony in court regarding the unsuitability of other Thai's to raise children favoring the farang. There are actually very decent, very lovely Thai people, but believe me, the chances of meeting them amongst the farang ghetto are very slim. Edited October 13, 2012 by atyclb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saengsureeya Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 (edited) Didn't go through all the topics, but in the birth-certificate, which she left behind is loud and clearly stated who the father is. THAT together with a DNA outcome should be enough to prove him being the father. Edited October 13, 2012 by saengsureeya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarangKenStine Posted October 13, 2012 Share Posted October 13, 2012 As Winnie The Pooh famously said: No Money No Honey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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