Opposition Cries Foul Over Former Prime Minister Thaksin On State Television: Thailand

[SouthernMan3]

The opposition Democrat Party and Green Politics Group threatened yesterday to file a lawsuit against the government for allowing former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra to appear on Channel 11 of the national broadcasting service.

As well they should.

He is after all a convicted fugitive.

Is he not ?

This would NEVER be allowed where I come from.

[SouthernMan3]

The PM is not to blame here. Why should she have known in advance of Thaksin's plans?

She never does normally.

B.S. !

[indyuk]

This entire thing is just beyond belief. Mr. Thaksin, like it or not, is a bail jumper, and convicted felon. That is , to state it correctly, in the country of Thailand.

The brazen-ness and the way things are getting to and beyond the sensible, what and how long will it take before there is approved a country name change to Shinland. It may seem that if it becomes a new country, there would no longer be a need for any amnesty. It would also stand to reason that there would no longer be any Thais, which will be replaced by Shins.

Life would be hard , but we could probably live through that ...... maybe......

But the most important thing...... would our beloved forum have to be renamed ..... "Shin Visa" ????

Hopefully your comments are a joke. If not you should change your brand of beer. Edited December 11, 2012 by indyuk

[indyuk]

The opposition Democrat Party and Green Politics Group threatened yesterday to file a lawsuit against the government for allowing former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra to appear on Channel 11 of the national broadcasting service.

As well they should.

He is after all a convicted fugitive.

Is he not ?

This would NEVER be allowed where I come from.

A fugitive, you mean he is hiding? He is available anyone from Thailand can message him or visit him. However I'm not recommending stalking.

[SouthernMan3]

The opposition Democrat Party and Green Politics Group threatened yesterday to file a lawsuit against the government for allowing former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra to appear on Channel 11 of the national broadcasting service.

As well they should.

He is after all a convicted fugitive.

Is he not ?

This would NEVER be allowed where I come from.

A fugitive, you mean he is hiding? He is available anyone from Thailand can message him or visit him. However I'm not recommending stalking.

No, he is not hiding because the gov't doesn't really want him here.

And if he was here he wouldn't likely last long.

But yes, he is a convicted fugitive.

[whybother]

The opposition Democrat Party and Green Politics Group threatened yesterday to file a lawsuit against the government for allowing former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra to appear on Channel 11 of the national broadcasting service.

As well they should.

He is after all a convicted fugitive.

Is he not ?

This would NEVER be allowed where I come from.

A fugitive, you mean he is hiding? He is available anyone from Thailand can message him or visit him. However I'm not recommending stalking.

<deleted>·gi·tive

/ˈfyo͞ojətiv/

Noun

A person who has escaped from a place or is in hiding, esp. to avoid arrest or persecution.

Quick to disappear; fleeting.

Synonyms

runaway - refugee - deserter - escapee

[SouthernMan3]

The opposition Democrat Party and Green Politics Group threatened yesterday to file a lawsuit against the government for allowing former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra to appear on Channel 11 of the national broadcasting service.

As well they should.

He is after all a convicted fugitive.

Is he not ?

This would NEVER be allowed where I come from.

A fugitive, you mean he is hiding? He is available anyone from Thailand can message him or visit him. However I'm not recommending stalking.

<deleted>·gi·tive

/ˈfyo͞ojətiv/

Noun

A person who has escaped from a place or is in hiding, esp. to avoid arrest or persecution.

Quick to disappear; fleeting.

Synonyms

runaway - refugee - deserter - escapee

Sounds about right.

[indyuk]

The opposition Democrat Party and Green Politics Group threatened yesterday to file a lawsuit against the government for allowing former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra to appear on Channel 11 of the national broadcasting service.

As well they should.

He is after all a convicted fugitive.

Is he not ?

This would NEVER be allowed where I come from.

A fugitive, you mean he is hiding? He is available anyone from Thailand can message him or visit him. However I'm not recommending stalking.

<deleted>·gi·tive

/ˈfyo͞ojətiv/

Noun

A person who has escaped from a place or is in hiding, esp. to avoid arrest or persecution.

Quick to disappear; fleeting.

Synonyms

runaway - refugee - deserter - escapee

I understand thanks. However my point stands. Maybe he is like "The Fugitive" in the American TV program that I liked so many years ago. Just another fugitive running from injustice.

[indyuk]

Looking at the arguments for eliminating Thaksin from the situation, I have to ask what then? (I declare that I am totally against physical punishment to anyone)

Whatever your view of him is, Thaksin is a rallying point for the masses; don't forget that there is a huge population here. If the figurehead is gone, who is strong enough to take his place? I can't see anyone being able to do it long term.

With no central figure to bring everyone together, they will gather in groups, most likely regional. Perhaps the provinces will head towards nationalism, wanting self rule. The red shirts will always be voted in, the masses will always vote (or be persuaded to) and there is a lot more red than yellow in the country. The only way the Democrats can get into power is via military intervention. This isn't a flight of fantasy, what comes after the elimination has to be thought through very carefully. I believe the consequences will be dire.

On this subject, I have to say I've decided the best course of action is better the devil you know.

Apart from being somewhat off topic, I disagree. The country is split and there are a lot more than PAD that profoundly dislike Thaksin. There's too much of the Mugabee in him. Besides no country should be governed by one family. I'd take the devil, angel or in-between that I don't know over the devil I know.

Thailand is not run by a family it is run by a Liberal government.

[hellodolly]

This entire thing is just beyond belief. Mr. Thaksin, like it or not, is a bail jumper, and convicted felon. That is , to state it correctly, in the country of Thailand.

The brazen-ness and the way things are getting to and beyond the sensible, what and how long will it take before there is approved a country name change to Shinland. It may seem that if it becomes a new country, there would no longer be a need for any amnesty. It would also stand to reason that there would no longer be any Thais, which will be replaced by Shins.

Life would be hard , but we could probably live through that ...... maybe......

But the most important thing...... would our beloved forum have to be renamed ..... "Shin Visa" ????

Hopefully your comments are a joke. If not you should change your brand of beer.

I know the man and there is nothing wrong with his brand of beer. It is in his choice of diet pop.

[hellodolly]

The opposition Democrat Party and Green Politics Group threatened yesterday to file a lawsuit against the government for allowing former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra to appear on Channel 11 of the national broadcasting service.

As well they should.

He is after all a convicted fugitive.

Is he not ?

This would NEVER be allowed where I come from.

A fugitive, you mean he is hiding? He is available anyone from Thailand can message him or visit him. However I'm not recommending stalking.

<deleted>·gi·tive

/ˈfyo͞ojətiv/

Noun

A person who has escaped from a place or is in hiding, esp. to avoid arrest or persecution.

Quick to disappear; fleeting.

Synonyms

runaway - refugee - deserter - escapee

I understand thanks. However my point stands. Maybe he is like "The Fugitive" in the American TV program that I liked so many years ago. Just another fugitive running from injustice.

The injustice that Thaksin is running from Is?

[indyuk]

I think if Thaksin ever achieves amnesty or sets foot back in the country for any reason 2010 would resemble a squabble in a kindergarten playground.

It would definitely open the divide further & bring it onto the streets for an all out war !

That would be the time to leave the "land of smiles" far behind & seek a better country to reside.

whether he comes or stays away, the divide is here to stay for a long time.

some people are naive enough to think that his demise would somehow be a cure for the underlying problems.

life isn't so simple.

No, but one nepotistic corrupt family will fade away along with their sycophant supporters leaving a vacume that might create an opening for a true socialist movement to grow organically. At the moment nothing will grow under the scorched earth shadow of the Thaksin cult as there is no room for dissidents against the Rule Of Thaksin.

Nepotistic is fair enough but no authority has ever been able to show the Shinawatra family to be corrupt. Don't forget this is Asia and that the Red Shirt vs Yellow Shirt bit is just squabbling over the scraps.

[hellodolly]

Looking at the arguments for eliminating Thaksin from the situation, I have to ask what then? (I declare that I am totally against physical punishment to anyone)

Whatever your view of him is, Thaksin is a rallying point for the masses; don't forget that there is a huge population here. If the figurehead is gone, who is strong enough to take his place? I can't see anyone being able to do it long term.

With no central figure to bring everyone together, they will gather in groups, most likely regional. Perhaps the provinces will head towards nationalism, wanting self rule. The red shirts will always be voted in, the masses will always vote (or be persuaded to) and there is a lot more red than yellow in the country. The only way the Democrats can get into power is via military intervention. This isn't a flight of fantasy, what comes after the elimination has to be thought through very carefully. I believe the consequences will be dire.

On this subject, I have to say I've decided the best course of action is better the devil you know.

Apart from being somewhat off topic, I disagree. The country is split and there are a lot more than PAD that profoundly dislike Thaksin. There's too much of the Mugabee in him. Besides no country should be governed by one family. I'd take the devil, angel or in-between that I don't know over the devil I know.

Thailand is not run by a family it is run by a Liberal government.

You are right they take liberal use of the public's money and are very liberal minded in things that pertain to themselves. As for Thai people they could care less. And that is a liberal opinion.

[SouthernMan3]

"The injustice that Thaksin is running from Is?"

5555555555555555555

[Meetoo]

Looking at the arguments for eliminating Thaksin from the situation, I have to ask what then? (I declare that I am totally against physical punishment to anyone)

Whatever your view of him is, Thaksin is a rallying point for the masses; don't forget that there is a huge population here. If the figurehead is gone, who is strong enough to take his place? I can't see anyone being able to do it long term.

With no central figure to bring everyone together, they will gather in groups, most likely regional. Perhaps the provinces will head towards nationalism, wanting self rule. The red shirts will always be voted in, the masses will always vote (or be persuaded to) and there is a lot more red than yellow in the country. The only way the Democrats can get into power is via military intervention. This isn't a flight of fantasy, what comes after the elimination has to be thought through very carefully. I believe the consequences will be dire.

On this subject, I have to say I've decided the best course of action is better the devil you know.

Apart from being somewhat off topic, I disagree. The country is split and there are a lot more than PAD that profoundly dislike Thaksin. There's too much of the Mugabee in him. Besides no country should be governed by one family. I'd take the devil, angel or in-between that I don't know over the devil I know.

Thailand is not run by a family it is run by a Liberal government.

Oish!! Ywt another person in the Lala Land of Red !!

[Meetoo]

I think if Thaksin ever achieves amnesty or sets foot back in the country for any reason 2010 would resemble a squabble in a kindergarten playground.

It would definitely open the divide further & bring it onto the streets for an all out war !

That would be the time to leave the "land of smiles" far behind & seek a better country to reside.

whether he comes or stays away, the divide is here to stay for a long time.

some people are naive enough to think that his demise would somehow be a cure for the underlying problems.

life isn't so simple.

No, but one nepotistic corrupt family will fade away along with their sycophant supporters leaving a vacume that might create an opening for a true socialist movement to grow organically. At the moment nothing will grow under the scorched earth shadow of the Thaksin cult as there is no room for dissidents against the Rule Of Thaksin.

Nepotistic is fair enough but no authority has ever been able to show the Shinawatra family to be corrupt. Don't forget this is Asia and that the Red Shirt vs Yellow Shirt bit is just squabbling over the scraps.

Ok sorry for my previous post ... should have said " Oish!! Ywt another person in the Lala Land of Red !! " but rather

"Oish!! Ywt another person in Total Lala Land !!

[Tatsujin]

Thailand is not run by a family it is run by a Liberal government.

Are you actually living in Thailand or do you just simply believe all the bullshit you read?

[ableguy]

Love the way the PM is dragged into everything.

In how many countries does the PM have personal fore knowledge of every nights television schedules ??

And, as pointed out by GK, would you want the evening TV censored by the PM's office ??

Perhaps you forget this PM was put where she is by her corrupt brother and is controlled by him so your nonsense post is just that, are you a sad person married to a rice farmer ???

[nurofiend]

But the healing of the Country can´t start until Thaksin is out of the picture.

so elaborate on what that healing will be without the one man thaksin, preferably in a non fantasy world version.

So you think Thaksin is the healer of the country? Keep on dreaming.

it worries me that you read that out of my post but it just further explains why posters fling around the 'thaksin lover' monicker on people so flippantly.

i'm trying to have a reasonable discussion with you, you put forward a thought that the healing can't start until thaksin is out of the pictue and i asked you to give a realistic version of what you think will happen when that one man thaksin is out of the picture.

i was asking for your opinion.

i will give you my opinion on this,

thaksin proxies will still keep their main support by the rural poor up north and the red shirts long after he is gone (obviously i'm using some poetic licence on the word proxy)

reincarnations of his party will remain to be supported by the relative majority, whether you think he made lives better for the poor or not or his intentions honourable or not, the fact is he did give the poor and previously unlistened to some sway as to what happens in the country.

to many, many people that was meaningful and will not be easily forgotten.

that social divide will not disintegrate with thaksin out of the picture, the democrats for example will never get all those votes, they will possibly get some of them but crumbs in percentage terms.

a different main party with no skeletons would be great but unless thailand has eradicated the deep social divide, which it won't have, then that new party would have an extremely hard time pleasing both sides and it would end up as another ptp or democrat party.

now i think what i'm saying is speaking realistically, unless some kind of utopia forms in thailand, the one side against the other will remain, thaksin or no thaksin.

i think it will remain the democrats voter base vs the ptp voter base for long, long, long after he is gone.

so, what do you think will happen when that he is out of the picture.?

Edited December 11, 2012 by nurofiend

[waza]

But the healing of the Country can´t start until Thaksin is out of the picture.

so elaborate on what that healing will be without the one man thaksin, preferably in a non fantasy world version.

So you think Thaksin is the healer of the country? Keep on dreaming.

it worries me that you read that out of my post but it just further explains why posters fling around the 'thaksin lover' monicker on people so flippantly.

i'm trying to have a reasonable discussion with you, you put forward a thought that the healing can't start until thaksin is out of the pictue and i asked you to give a realistic version of what you think will happen when that one man thaksin is out of the picture.

i was asking for your opinion.

i will give you my opinion on this,

thaksin proxies will still keep their main support by the rural poor up north and the red shirts long after he is gone (obviously i'm using some poetic licence on the word proxy)

reincarnations of his party will remain to be supported by the relative majority, whether you think he made lives better for the poor or not or his intentions honourable or not, the fact is he did give the poor and previously unlistened to some sway as to what happens in the country.

to many, many people that was meaningful and will not be easily forgotten.

that social divide will not disintegrate with thaksin out of the picture, the democrats for example will never get all those votes, they will possibly get some of them but crumbs in percentage terms.

a different main party with no skeletons would be great but unless thailand has eradicated the deep social divide, which it won't have, then that new party would have an extremely hard time pleasing both sides and it would end up as another ptp or democrat party.

now i think what i'm saying is speaking realistically, unless some kind of utopia forms in thailand, the one side against the other will remain, thaksin or no thaksin.

i think it will remain the democrats voter base vs the ptp voter base for long, long, long after he is gone.

so, what do you think will happen when that he is out of the picture.?

If Thaksin died today his ex wife would take over the proxy leadership of the PTP, Yingluck will still be PM and the family will still run Thailand. In the future the pot of gold (Thai treasury) will become so small till its just another IOU, like the western countries. The takings will be so slim that non-essential group will be cut out the loop, like smaller coalition parties and maybe the redshirts. Thaksin has already shown he will drop them like a smelly nappy, (I don't know them) at the first hint he has won or they outlive their usefullness. Then one day the Thai masses will realise that Thaksin isn't some liberal socialist hero who cares only for their welfare but a very naughty and greedy egocentric boy.

Edited December 11, 2012 by waza

[lensta]

"I didn't know what to do as it had already happened. The public will judge whether it's right or wrong," she said.

The Public......yep much better than relying on those pesky "Laws".

"I didn't know what to do __________" well done PM. Maybe you could start with an investigation as to why it happened and who was responsible for allowing a convicted and fugitive criminal to be allowed to broadcast his views on national TV. Guess it's a school playground type excuse " my brother made me do it".

"I didn't know what to do" was attributed to PM's Minister Sansanee (whatever she/he does) not the PM herself

Edited December 11, 2012 by lensta

[AleG]

Thailand is not run by a family it is run by a Liberal government.

Pffffffff!!!!!!

A Liberal government? PTP???, Thaksin't private political tool?

That was a good one, thank you!

[rubl]

It was an accident, totally unplanned, just happened, we don't censor in real-time, we were only watching the UDD rally at Democracy Monument for the expected phone-in, we didn't know anyone was actually watching channel-11.

[MAJIC]

Of course nobody in charge of State Television Channel 11 was aware that the Boxing Match was being turned into a Political State Broadcast, by a banned Fugitive from Justice,looking for cheap Publicity.

Two more PTP Scapegoats have just learned a valuable sacrificial lesson.

Edited December 11, 2012 by MAJIC

[MAJIC]

Love the way the PM is dragged into everything.

In how many countries does the PM have personal fore knowledge of every nights television schedules ??

And, as pointed out by GK, would you want the evening TV censored by the PM's office ??

How many PMs are on the payroll and under the control of their convicted criminal relatives?

Good question. Let's see now. There is Yingluck under control of her convicted criminal brother thaksin and then there is........uh.....there is ........uh. Shucks someone help me out here.

Seems like Half the Cabinet?

Edited December 11, 2012 by MAJIC

[Imkah]

whether he comes or stays away, the divide is here to stay for a long time.

some people are naive enough to think that his demise would somehow be a cure for the underlying problems.

life isn't so simple.

Well put. I absolutely believe that T. is "a Berlusconi gone bad" - problem is so have a lot of his peers, left and right. Or perhaps - they never went good: When oh when are we going to see a political leadership focusing on the betterment of those whom they should serve?

This goes for almost the whole world, by the way - but money-politics such as in Thailand has not yet developed the finer means of repression. Here the sledge-hammer still speaks from all sides.

[endure]

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[JeffreyWitty]

Oh PLEASE!

Sueing the government over this? Come on! I suppose when the BBC or CNN play a tape of an an afgani terrorist - they should be shut down too!

Just cause some people hate a guy - taking it to this extreme is a waste of time, effort, and money.

Can't something more constructive be done by the opposition?

[thaicbr]

Oh PLEASE!

Sueing the government over this? Come on! I suppose when the BBC or CNN play a tape of an an afgani terrorist - they should be shut down too!

Just cause some people hate a guy - taking it to this extreme is a waste of time, effort, and money.

Can't something more constructive be done by the opposition?

The point is that this was not an independent channel. It was the government PR departments channel. So it would seem that the fugitive residing in Dubai used public equipment to meet his own agenda (nothing new there )

The reality is if Thaksin had just opened the boxing and stated his affection for the King WITHOUT the political speech then it would have been no problem.. as it is he used a public channel for a political speech. With the full knowledge of the government.

sent from my Q6

[hellodolly]

Oh PLEASE!

Sueing the government over this? Come on! I suppose when the BBC or CNN play a tape of an an afgani terrorist - they should be shut down too!

Just cause some people hate a guy - taking it to this extreme is a waste of time, effort, and money.

Can't something more constructive be done by the opposition?

You use what you have when dealing with a convicted criminal who as acting Prime Minister used the treasury as his personal bank account. ( I over stated that a little ).

Now that in it's self was normal. But using the money he swindled out of the country to fund a terrorist organization that went as far as to invade a hospital. That with the end result of over 90 dead and has the nerve to charge the PM of the time who was trying to stop the terrorism with out the loss of thousands of lives with murder is sinking to new lows.

Possibly you weren't here when the government negotiated in good faith and made a settlement with the red shirts only to have Thaksin (safe in Dubai pulling all the strings) reject the deal and carry on with the terrorism.

I say use any thing you have against scum like him.