Animal Activists Seek Action Against Sattahip Dog Killer

[LuckyLew]

In Thailand you can only kill a dog if you plan to BBQ the dog

[Honkie]

Lemoncake ..You are talking like a Thai now.

i am sorry, would you prefer all Thai's change their way to suit your needs.

Do you need to fit into their society or do they need to fit into yours?

Lemoncake ..You are talking like a Thai now.

i am sorry, would you prefer all Thai's change their way to suit your needs.

Do you need to fit into their society or do they need to fit into yours?

So according to you , if I am not just a Tourist , I am not allowed to exist . Cannot even walk my dog in the neighbourhood ? Build a prison for myself ? Any trouble then pack up and going back to my own country ?

[chrisinth]

..... I find it difficult to believe that a family pet (which is essentially what this animal was) would be so out-of-control as to attack anyone passing on the street. ....

The next door neighbor of my niece is a man who has several dogs that he allows to run free outside his property. His dogs try to attack my nieces dogs, which she keeps locked inside her property. These dogs also have run up on me, surrounding me, barking and growling, causing to have concerns about being attacked and bitten. His dogs do this when I walk on the short road where the houses are, off the main road. He yells at the dogs when he is in his yard and sees them surround me. I yell at the dogs too, when they act like this. A nice friendly guy. I have been in his yard a couple of times talking with him about his work around his house. Down the street is an older lady that appears to be an unfriendly person. I do not really know what kind of person she is, but she never responds to me when I say hello to her. Her dog is an unfriendly dog. Based on how it reacts to people walking down the street, I believe it would bite someone if it could get out. When I thought that the old woman was going to let her dog out one time when I passed by, I had no stick so I took out my knife and held it hidden in my hand in case she did let her dog out and it tried to bite me. This old lady's dog acts in the same manner as trained military sentry dogs I have seen. The sentry dogs were extremely vicious and would attack and bite anyone outside the cage they are kept in, if they could get out. The sentry dogs were known to attack their handlers and put some of them in the hospital! It is because of how the dog reacts to passers by that leads me to believe that, even if it is a family pet, it is a vicious animal and will attack people that are not part of the family if it could. I have seen Thais yelling at the old lady about her dog, so it isn't just me. She just ignores them and goes inside her house.

This is actually two (three?) completely diferent scenarios that you present in the partial extract from my post.

In the first case you are talking about a pack of dogs loose on the street. This is where the pack mentality kicks in and the situation is controlled by the alpha of the group. True that they should not be allowed to roam freely, but not really relevant to the OP.

In the second case, you mention a single old lady, who keeps her dog locked up, perhaps for a good reason? No children involved here either? This again would not be relevant to this OP as she has the dog constrained in the fact that it is locked up. You also refer to this as being/acting like a " trained military sentry dog", so there is a possibility that it has been trained for protection, or possibly abused by the owner?

In my life before moving to Thailand I did a lot of work with military dogs, mostly with the search dogs and their handlers. The compound next to the search dogs kennels held the patrol/attack dogs which were mainly alsatians. Each and every handler that I talked to for these dogs could show you the scars of where their own dogs had turned on them for no apparent reason. But these were dogs that had been trained to be aggressive, which they did very well.

[chrisinth]

I find it difficult to believe that a family pet (which is essentially what this animal was) would be so out-of-control as to attack anyone passing on the street.

You live in Thailand & make the above comment! How many working Thai's do you observe practicing "exercise, discipline and affection" for their dogs. Affection yes, but rarely exercise and discipline. Normally left alone all day on premises, let out once a day to defecate in the street is the maximum exercise & absolutely no discipline training for behaviour such as constant barking and so on. Affection for 10/15 minutes when they come home to feed the "family pet".

Yes I do, and I will stick to that. I am only commenting on my personal experiences here, and I have never had any problems with street dogs, perhaps just lucky in that respect.

Yes, I do understand your comment about the 10/15 minutes as a family pet scenario as I have seen this all too often here with animals chained up all day. Perhaps in hindsight I should have left that line out of the original post.............

But in the case of the OP, it either appears that the golden in question was out all the time or the German was unfortunate with his exercise schedule with his Rotti if he had previous encounters.

[chrisinth]

In Thailand you can only kill a dog if you plan to BBQ the dog

Perhaps the German should be made to honour that commitment?....................

[geriatrickid]

Lemoncake ..You are talking like a Thai now.

i am sorry, would you prefer all Thai's change their way to suit your needs.

Do you need to fit into their society or do they need to fit into yours?

Lemoncake, have you not received your copy of the Farang Guide to Dealing With The Natives?

Your staff should be calling you, Bwana or Master or Sir. Anything less and you just aren't following the TVF protocol of living in Thailand.

I suggest, you march right out, and buy yourself a proper colonial outfit, complete with pith helmet and up your game.

[Tawng]

... I find it difficult to believe that a family pet (which is essentially what this animal was) would be so out-of-control as to attack anyone passing on the street.

But that is exactly what happens all the time. Being socialised to people pet dogs react to human strangers as they do to canine strangers i.e. aggressively in their own area. And this is not a Thai problem, it is universal, just ask your local postman back home who no doubt has a lot of experience of fending off “well trained” pets. Pet dogs being aggressive to passersby is the norm and the problem in Thailand is that too many pets have the opportunity to take it beyond a threat. That’s how this sorry incident started.

Dogs born on the street (as opposed to abandoned pets) are generally much less aggressive.

[Beetlejuice]

The German should write his autobiography, titled, How To Gain Friends and Influence People.

These inhospitable types are not wanted here, deport him back to the Farangland and let him and his cuddly Rottenweiler become someone else’s problem.

it's good to know that sorry Farang clowns are not in charge of Immigration and deportation

If I were in charge, the klingons would be the first to go.

[lemoncake]

Lemoncake ..You are talking like a Thai now.

i am sorry, would you prefer all Thai's change their way to suit your needs.

Do you need to fit into their society or do they need to fit into yours?

Lemoncake, have you not received your copy of the Farang Guide to Dealing With The Natives?

Your staff should be calling you, Bwana or Master or Sir. Anything less and you just aren't following the TVF protocol of living in Thailand.

I suggest, you march right out, and buy yourself a proper colonial outfit, complete with pith helmet and up your game.

I am sorry I do not follow you, please expand

[lemoncake]

So according to you , if I am not just a Tourist , I am not allowed to exist . Cannot even walk my dog in the neighbourhood ? Build a prison for myself ? Any trouble then pack up and going back to my own country ?

According to me if you able to read and comprehend, it is the way it is, and locals are not going to adopt or change their ways. If you came to their country it is your choice to adopt their ways or not. Because again they will not be changing to suit you or your needs irrespective if you a tourist or an expat .

[Honkie]

So according to you , if I am not just a Tourist , I am not allowed to exist . Cannot even walk my dog in the neighbourhood ? Build a prison for myself ? Any trouble then pack up and going back to my own country ?

According to me if you able to read and comprehend, it is the way it is, and locals are not going to adopt or change their ways. If you came to their country it is your choice to adopt their ways or not. Because again they will not be changing to suit you or your needs irrespective if you a tourist or an expat .

So according to you , if I am not just a Tourist , I am not allowed to exist . Cannot even walk my dog in the neighbourhood ? Build a prison for myself ? Any trouble then pack up and going back to my own country ?

According to me if you able to read and comprehend, it is the way it is, and locals are not going to adopt or change their ways. If you came to their country it is your choice to adopt their ways or not. Because again they will not be changing to suit you or your needs irrespective if you a tourist or an expat .

Do we have to join in "The Farang " bashing as well ? If the German did not come to Thailand ...if he did not walk his dog...

German should go home......thats the way it is ??? No Thanks.

[fstarbkk]

Yes, well what it really boils down to is that you cannot argue with an idiot.

The animal activists are basically saying this:

We have the right to assemble illegally in front of your house and libel, slander, defame and threaten you and your family if we think you have harmed a dog or any other animal that we choose to protect.

If we are present when we see a dog attacking you or your child, we will come to the aid of that dog and ensure that you or your child are not able to bring any harm to the dog that is attacking you or your child. This includes the GERMAN!!! or his GERMAN!!! child, and any other man, woman or child who happens to be walking alone, or with any other animal on a leash, or walking with another human being MINDING THEIR OWN BUSINESS; because we feel that if a dog chooses to make your business its business, then you must have done something wrong in another life to deserve it.

If an animal ever attacks us personally, as animal activists, we will never do anything to stop that animal from harming us. We will do anything possible to tear ourselves away from the animal (making extra sure not to harm the animal) and to get to safety as soon as possible. If the animal kills us, we accept this as its right, and we defend right even at the cost of our own life.

If an animal ever attacks our child, as animal activists, we will never do anything to stop that animal from having its way with our child. We will do anything possible to tear our child from its death grip on their tiny little throat (making extra sure not to harm the animal) and to get our child to safety as soon as possible. If the animal kills our child, we accept this as its right, and we defend right even at the cost of our own.

If we ever hear or read about a dog attacking any human being (including those humans not being able to defend themselves; such as small children and babies) we will unite together and do everything in our power to promote that animals right to exist and to express itself, and that the animal has somehow been provoked and is deservedly and justifiably mauling or killing the human being for good reason.

In summary, animals can do no wrong if they are attacking a human being. Whether on the extinct species list, or over-bred to the point of being damaged and dangerous, we will fight to protect these animals rights because they are more worthy of life than any human.

We unconsciously admit that we are self-hating humans. We feel badly that we have infested this animal planet to the point that these animals must defend themselves. If we were certain that there were no more people on this planet such as this GERMAN and his GERMAN children, we would commit suicide and turn this planet back over to these poor beset upon beasts.

God rest their merry doggie souls, and may they forgive us for existing.

Oh boy! Now here's 5 minutes of my life that I'll never get back

[cup-O-coffee]

Lemoncake ..You are talking like a Thai now.

i am sorry, would you prefer all Thai's change their way to suit your needs.

Do you need to fit into their society or do they need to fit into yours?

Speaking for myself, none of your business! Your straw man arguments point you out as an obvious troll who delights in baiting intelligent people with illogical argument.

Thais do whatever they wish, and they have no accountability. To try and collar Honkie with your straw man argument is cowardly and typical of the kind of ilk who defend animals and place human life and safety at risk; apart from those who do the same and yet have no reservations about putting down an animal that puts human life and safety at risk.

Thais beat their dogs. They neglect them, the burn them and they eat them. They stab them and hack them to death with machetes. They kick them and starve them. They over breed them and then sell them to others who wish to purchase them to further the abuse. They ignore their rampant increase in population among human society and do nothing about it except as their whims or fancies take effect. Do the bastards in brown arrest these people? Seldom. Do activists protest outside their homes? Never. Is Lemoncake there to protest? No.

Trying to collar Honkie with this abysmal illogical rational lowers your credibility rating in my view.

And regarding the other posters who wish to point out the German in this man's identity; yes, he happens to be aman of German nationality who was simply minding his own business; just as the predominant dog killers here happen to be Thai, such as K.Thans, who beat his dog to death because he was not there to prevent it from mauling his 9-day old son to death. Did the bastards in brown arrest him? No. Did he have activists protest outside his home? No. Was Lemoncake there to protest? No. Or the Thai, K.Khampul, whose dog attacked him for the fourth time, causing serious bite wounds to his legs. The dog also had injuries on its neck and left ear, after Khampul fought off the attack with a stick. Did the bastards in brown arrest him? No. Did he have activists protest outside his home? No. Was Lemoncake there to protest? No. But instead he announced that if any organization would like to pick up his dog to feed or kill it, he is willing to give it away. And let's not forget K.Lorlertrat, who shot his two dogs dead while the other one escaped after having mauled to death his family relation and seriously injuring three others. Did the bastards in brown arrest him? No. Did he legally own the gun? Who knows and does anyone care? Did he have activists protest outside his home? No. Was Lemoncake there to protest? No.

Lemoncake, I wash my hands of you.

Edited December 17, 2012 by cup-O-coffee

[cup-O-coffee]

Yes, well what it really boils down to is that you cannot argue with an idiot.

The animal activists are basically saying this:

We have the right to assemble illegally in front of your house and libel, slander, defame and threaten you and your family if we think you have harmed a dog or any other animal that we choose to protect.

If we are present when we see a dog attacking you or your child, we will come to the aid of that dog and ensure that you or your child are not able to bring any harm to the dog that is attacking you or your child. This includes the GERMAN!!! or his GERMAN!!! child, and any other man, woman or child who happens to be walking alone, or with any other animal on a leash, or walking with another human being MINDING THEIR OWN BUSINESS; because we feel that if a dog chooses to make your business its business, then you must have done something wrong in another life to deserve it.

If an animal ever attacks us personally, as animal activists, we will never do anything to stop that animal from harming us. We will do anything possible to tear ourselves away from the animal (making extra sure not to harm the animal) and to get to safety as soon as possible. If the animal kills us, we accept this as its right, and we defend right even at the cost of our own life.

If an animal ever attacks our child, as animal activists, we will never do anything to stop that animal from having its way with our child. We will do anything possible to tear our child from its death grip on their tiny little throat (making extra sure not to harm the animal) and to get our child to safety as soon as possible. If the animal kills our child, we accept this as its right, and we defend right even at the cost of our own.

If we ever hear or read about a dog attacking any human being (including those humans not being able to defend themselves; such as small children and babies) we will unite together and do everything in our power to promote that animals right to exist and to express itself, and that the animal has somehow been provoked and is deservedly and justifiably mauling or killing the human being for good reason.

In summary, animals can do no wrong if they are attacking a human being. Whether on the extinct species list, or over-bred to the point of being damaged and dangerous, we will fight to protect these animals rights because they are more worthy of life than any human.

We unconsciously admit that we are self-hating humans. We feel badly that we have infested this animal planet to the point that these animals must defend themselves. If we were certain that there were no more people on this planet such as this GERMAN and his GERMAN children, we would commit suicide and turn this planet back over to these poor beset upon beasts.

God rest their merry doggie souls, and may they forgive us for existing.

Oh boy! Now here's 5 minutes of my life that I'll never get back

It was meant as satire to make a point. Woof woof.

[Pimay1]

Yes, well what it really boils down to is that you cannot argue with an idiot.

The animal activists are basically saying this:

We have the right to assemble illegally in front of your house and libel, slander, defame and threaten you and your family if we think you have harmed a dog or any other animal that we choose to protect.

If we are present when we see a dog attacking you or your child, we will come to the aid of that dog and ensure that you or your child are not able to bring any harm to the dog that is attacking you or your child. This includes the GERMAN!!! or his GERMAN!!! child, and any other man, woman or child who happens to be walking alone, or with any other animal on a leash, or walking with another human being MINDING THEIR OWN BUSINESS; because we feel that if a dog chooses to make your business its business, then you must have done something wrong in another life to deserve it.

If an animal ever attacks us personally, as animal activists, we will never do anything to stop that animal from harming us. We will do anything possible to tear ourselves away from the animal (making extra sure not to harm the animal) and to get to safety as soon as possible. If the animal kills us, we accept this as its right, and we defend right even at the cost of our own life.

If an animal ever attacks our child, as animal activists, we will never do anything to stop that animal from having its way with our child. We will do anything possible to tear our child from its death grip on their tiny little throat (making extra sure not to harm the animal) and to get our child to safety as soon as possible. If the animal kills our child, we accept this as its right, and we defend right even at the cost of our own.

If we ever hear or read about a dog attacking any human being (including those humans not being able to defend themselves; such as small children and babies) we will unite together and do everything in our power to promote that animals right to exist and to express itself, and that the animal has somehow been provoked and is deservedly and justifiably mauling or killing the human being for good reason.

In summary, animals can do no wrong if they are attacking a human being. Whether on the extinct species list, or over-bred to the point of being damaged and dangerous, we will fight to protect these animals rights because they are more worthy of life than any human.

We unconsciously admit that we are self-hating humans. We feel badly that we have infested this animal planet to the point that these animals must defend themselves. If we were certain that there were no more people on this planet such as this GERMAN and his GERMAN children, we would commit suicide and turn this planet back over to these poor beset upon beasts.

God rest their merry doggie souls, and may they forgive us for existing.

I understand this is satire but these is so much truth in your post. This peta bunch and their ilk are lunatics the world over.

[candid]

When I was a child sixty years ago in Britain, dogs there were allowed to run wild. In time, Thailand will learn how civilised nations protect their people: be patient - give it a hundred years or so.

I was a child in Britain 60 years ago and I do not recall any dogs running wild. That was in the days when kids could play football in the street and there were not so many cars around. So, if dogs were roaming wild, there was plenty of room for them. Except there were none running wild where I was brought up .

[cup-O-coffee]

In Thailand you can only kill a dog if you plan to BBQ the dog

Perhaps the German should be made to honour that commitment?....................

Perhaps the man who happens to be German would like for you to try it; and he would have me standing next to him and willing to defend his right to mind his own business and not be forced to unleash a side of every human that comes to the surface when faced with an aggressive animal operating under the killing instinct.

He is an elderly gentleman. He was minding his own business. He did not deserve this. Now he is being attacked by Thai people who are racist and motivated by desires that I submit are not moral or ethical. The examples I provided in my recent post suggest that this is a clear case of racism, and it is being nurtured in a lot of these posts with the constant reference to his nationality. That has no point whatsoever on this issue, which is rampant in this country, and is not being dealt with. In the mean time, what are human beings supposed to do, who choose not to become animal activists; stay home and hide in their rooms?

You are being unreasonable like the rest. Show a little respect for an elderly gentleman out for a stroll with his pooch.

[Gowolfpack77]

If people would understand dog psychology, they would know it's best to allow dogs to establish thier own pecking order. If a short physical fight occurs, the dogs will survive and they will know where thier boundaries are and will avoid future conflicts on thier own.

Usually the dog owners are the real problem when they refuse to allow natural socialization and ordering to occur. It also reflects poorly on the owner if he or she feels they must protect thier own personal self-image by vindictive behavior after thier dog is defeated (unhealthy personal assimilation of self with thier dog). The problem is self imposed due to the owner having over-protected thier dog instead of allowing conflict to teach thier dog where it stands in the natural pecking order of dog behavior and territory.

[ratcatcher]

Lemoncake ..You are talking like a Thai now.

i am sorry, would you prefer all Thai's change their way to suit your needs.

Do you need to fit into their society or do they need to fit into yours?

Lemoncake, have you not received your copy of the Farang Guide to Dealing With The Natives?

Your staff should be calling you, Bwana or Master or Sir. Anything less and you just aren't following the TVF protocol of living in Thailand.

I suggest, you march right out, and buy yourself a proper colonial outfit, complete with pith helmet and up your game.

gk are you taking the pith?

[Naam]

The German should write his autobiography, titled, How To Gain Friends and Influence People.

These inhospitable types are not wanted here, deport him back to the Farangland and let him and his cuddly Rottenweiler become someone else’s problem.

it's good to know that sorry Farang clowns are not in charge of Immigration and deportation

If I were in charge, the klingons would be the first to go.

bugs are a nuisance except for people who like them deep fried and served as high protein food.

p.s. you are not in charge little man

[Naam]

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quote name='nokbird'

In a civilized country, the dog would have been put down (killed) by Government authorities.

Go back to Germany.

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why don't you go back to San Francisco?

[chrisinth]

In Thailand you can only kill a dog if you plan to BBQ the dog

Perhaps the German should be made to honour that commitment?....................

Perhaps the man who happens to be German would like for you to try it; and he would have me standing next to him and willing to defend his right to mind his own business and not be forced to unleash a side of every human that comes to the surface when faced with an aggressive animal operating under the killing instinct.

He is an elderly gentleman. He was minding his own business. He did not deserve this. Now he is being attacked by Thai people who are racist and motivated by desires that I submit are not moral or ethical. The examples I provided in my recent post suggest that this is a clear case of racism, and it is being nurtured in a lot of these posts with the constant reference to his nationality. That has no point whatsoever on this issue, which is rampant in this country, and is not being dealt with. In the mean time, what are human beings supposed to do, who choose not to become animal activists; stay home and hide in their rooms?

You are being unreasonable like the rest. Show a little respect for an elderly gentleman out for a stroll with his pooch.

That comment was tongue-in-cheek, nothing more.

I do not have a problem that he killed the golden as such on the understanding that he was defending his dog and himself.

What I have the problem with is the method in which he killed. The reason I have this problem is that he left the scene and returned to it. If he indeed had his own dog on a leash, did he take the dog back with him, only to return later with the knife or did he leave his dog there to fend for itself? Strange actions whichever way you look at it.

You have stated that he is an elderly gentleman minding his own business; you have more facts about this than I do, so I would bow to your knowledge of K.Alfred Gatt as I don't know him.

Just for the record, I have nothing good to say about the animal rights people, in this case, as I see their actions only antagonising the present situation.

[chrisinth]

If people would understand dog psychology, they would know it's best to allow dogs to establish thier own pecking order. If a short physical fight occurs, the dogs will survive and they will know where thier boundaries are and will avoid future conflicts on thier own.

Usually the dog owners are the real problem when they refuse to allow natural socialization and ordering to occur. It also reflects poorly on the owner if he or she feels they must protect thier own personal self-image by vindictive behavior after thier dog is defeated (unhealthy personal assimilation of self with thier dog). The problem is self imposed due to the owner having over-protected thier dog instead of allowing conflict to teach thier dog where it stands in the natural pecking order of dog behavior and territory.

That is probably one of the most sensible posts I have read in this entire thread.

Cheers....................

[lemoncake]

Lemoncake ..You are talking like a Thai now.

i am sorry, would you prefer all Thai's change their way to suit your needs.

Do you need to fit into their society or do they need to fit into yours?

Speaking for myself, none of your business! Your straw man arguments point you out as an obvious troll who delights in baiting intelligent people with illogical argument.

Thais do whatever they wish, and they have no accountability. To try and collar Honkie with your straw man argument is cowardly and typical of the kind of ilk who defend animals and place human life and safety at risk; apart from those who do the same and yet have no reservations about putting down an animal that puts human life and safety at risk.

Thais beat their dogs. They neglect them, the burn them and they eat them. They stab them and hack them to death with machetes. They kick them and starve them. They over breed them and then sell them to others who wish to purchase them to further the abuse. They ignore their rampant increase in population among human society and do nothing about it except as their whims or fancies take effect. Do the bastards in brown arrest these people? Seldom. Do activists protest outside their homes? Never. Is Lemoncake there to protest? No.

Trying to collar Honkie with this abysmal illogical rational lowers your credibility rating in my view.

And regarding the other posters who wish to point out the German in this man's identity; yes, he happens to be aman of German nationality who was simply minding his own business; just as the predominant dog killers here happen to be Thai, such as K.Thans, who beat his dog to death because he was not there to prevent it from mauling his 9-day old son to death. Did the bastards in brown arrest him? No. Did he have activists protest outside his home? No. Was Lemoncake there to protest? No. Or the Thai, K.Khampul, whose dog attacked him for the fourth time, causing serious bite wounds to his legs. The dog also had injuries on its neck and left ear, after Khampul fought off the attack with a stick. Did the bastards in brown arrest him? No. Did he have activists protest outside his home? No. Was Lemoncake there to protest? No. But instead he announced that if any organization would like to pick up his dog to feed or kill it, he is willing to give it away. And let's not forget K.Lorlertrat, who shot his two dogs dead while the other one escaped after having mauled to death his family relation and seriously injuring three others. Did the bastards in brown arrest him? No. Did he legally own the gun? Who knows and does anyone care? Did he have activists protest outside his home? No. Was Lemoncake there to protest? No.

Lemoncake, I wash my hands of you.

Right, so putting aside the incoherent drivel, here you are the king pin to change Thai's? and their way? good luck fitting in

Edited December 17, 2012 by lemoncake

[lemoncake]

Do we have to join in "The Farang " bashing as well ? If the German did not come to Thailand ...if he did not walk his dog...

German should go home......thats the way it is ??? No Thanks.

German should have the brain to walk around the problem not into it, common sense really as for what and who you should join, .... well thats entirely up to you

[sfbandung]

His reaction was simply too violent. Missus said if there is a dog around the village that keeps making trouble and the owners do nothing then someone will give it something to eat and it will "fall to sleep". For ever.

[cup-O-coffee]

In Thailand you can only kill a dog if you plan to BBQ the dog

Perhaps the German should be made to honour that commitment?....................

Perhaps the man who happens to be German would like for you to try it; and he would have me standing next to him and willing to defend his right to mind his own business and not be forced to unleash a side of every human that comes to the surface when faced with an aggressive animal operating under the killing instinct.

He is an elderly gentleman. He was minding his own business. He did not deserve this. Now he is being attacked by Thai people who are racist and motivated by desires that I submit are not moral or ethical. The examples I provided in my recent post suggest that this is a clear case of racism, and it is being nurtured in a lot of these posts with the constant reference to his nationality. That has no point whatsoever on this issue, which is rampant in this country, and is not being dealt with. In the mean time, what are human beings supposed to do, who choose not to become animal activists; stay home and hide in their rooms?

You are being unreasonable like the rest. Show a little respect for an elderly gentleman out for a stroll with his pooch.

That comment was tongue-in-cheek, nothing more.

I do not have a problem that he killed the golden as such on the understanding that he was defending his dog and himself.

What I have the problem with is the method in which he killed. The reason I have this problem is that he left the scene and returned to it. If he indeed had his own dog on a leash, did he take the dog back with him, only to return later with the knife or did he leave his dog there to fend for itself? Strange actions whichever way you look at it.

You have stated that he is an elderly gentleman minding his own business; you have more facts about this than I do, so I would bow to your knowledge of K.Alfred Gatt as I don't know him.

Just for the record, I have nothing good to say about the animal rights people, in this case, as I see their actions only antagonising the present situation.

Mr. Alfred Gatt, aged 65.

[sandrabbit]

The activists should concentrate on and protest about more important things in Thailand, you need to see how many dogs are just dumped on the beach where I live increasing the soi dog population and the fighting amongst them that goes on. I would also have cured them of protesting outside the house, a few hours of constant black sabbath etc would have got rid of them.

[chrisinth]

Perhaps the German should be made to honour that commitment?....................

Perhaps the man who happens to be German would like for you to try it; and he would have me standing next to him and willing to defend his right to mind his own business and not be forced to unleash a side of every human that comes to the surface when faced with an aggressive animal operating under the killing instinct.

He is an elderly gentleman. He was minding his own business. He did not deserve this. Now he is being attacked by Thai people who are racist and motivated by desires that I submit are not moral or ethical. The examples I provided in my recent post suggest that this is a clear case of racism, and it is being nurtured in a lot of these posts with the constant reference to his nationality. That has no point whatsoever on this issue, which is rampant in this country, and is not being dealt with. In the mean time, what are human beings supposed to do, who choose not to become animal activists; stay home and hide in their rooms?

You are being unreasonable like the rest. Show a little respect for an elderly gentleman out for a stroll with his pooch.

That comment was tongue-in-cheek, nothing more.

I do not have a problem that he killed the golden as such on the understanding that he was defending his dog and himself.

What I have the problem with is the method in which he killed. The reason I have this problem is that he left the scene and returned to it. If he indeed had his own dog on a leash, did he take the dog back with him, only to return later with the knife or did he leave his dog there to fend for itself? Strange actions whichever way you look at it.

You have stated that he is an elderly gentleman minding his own business; you have more facts about this than I do, so I would bow to your knowledge of K.Alfred Gatt as I don't know him.

Just for the record, I have nothing good to say about the animal rights people, in this case, as I see their actions only antagonising the present situation.

Mr. Alfred Gatt, aged 65.

Cheers......................

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Lemoncake ..You are talking like a Thai now.

i am sorry, would you prefer all Thai's change their way to suit your needs.

Do you need to fit into their society or do they need to fit into yours?

Speaking for myself, none of your business! Your straw man arguments point you out as an obvious troll who delights in baiting intelligent people with illogical argument.

Thais do whatever they wish, and they have no accountability. To try and collar Honkie with your straw man argument is cowardly and typical of the kind of ilk who defend animals and place human life and safety at risk; apart from those who do the same and yet have no reservations about putting down an animal that puts human life and safety at risk.

Thais beat their dogs. They neglect them, the burn them and they eat them. They stab them and hack them to death with machetes. They kick them and starve them. They over breed them and then sell them to others who wish to purchase them to further the abuse. They ignore their rampant increase in population among human society and do nothing about it except as their whims or fancies take effect. Do the bastards in brown arrest these people? Seldom. Do activists protest outside their homes? Never. Is Lemoncake there to protest? No.

Trying to collar Honkie with this abysmal illogical rational lowers your credibility rating in my view.

And regarding the other posters who wish to point out the German in this man's identity; yes, he happens to be aman of German nationality who was simply minding his own business; just as the predominant dog killers here happen to be Thai, such as K.Thans, who beat his dog to death because he was not there to prevent it from mauling his 9-day old son to death. Did the bastards in brown arrest him? No. Did he have activists protest outside his home? No. Was Lemoncake there to protest? No. Or the Thai, K.Khampul, whose dog attacked him for the fourth time, causing serious bite wounds to his legs. The dog also had injuries on its neck and left ear, after Khampul fought off the attack with a stick. Did the bastards in brown arrest him? No. Did he have activists protest outside his home? No. Was Lemoncake there to protest? No. But instead he announced that if any organization would like to pick up his dog to feed or kill it, he is willing to give it away. And let's not forget K.Lorlertrat, who shot his two dogs dead while the other one escaped after having mauled to death his family relation and seriously injuring three others. Did the bastards in brown arrest him? No. Did he legally own the gun? Who knows and does anyone care? Did he have activists protest outside his home? No. Was Lemoncake there to protest? No.

Lemoncake, I wash my hands of you.

Right, so putting aside the incoherent drivel, here you are the king pin to change Thai's? and their way? good luck fitting in

Agreed, Lemoncake. Sometimes I have a tendency to utter drivel as well, so I can understand your desire to put aside your own. Don''t take it so hard.

Beyond that, I am content to refrain from further dialog with you and your views. Good luck. I turn the last word over to you as far as we are concerned on this thread. woof woof.