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Thai Charter Change Won't Solve The Root Of Our Problems


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It's simpler to explain the process to the simple masses thus; 2007 charter written with military pen, unacceptable to many. Result is political fighting. 2013 charter written with Peua Thai pen, unacceptable to many. Result is political fighting. Argue if you will about one being more backed by a democratic vote than the other but it won't make the problem go away. It will just mean that in a few more years a different group will write yet another charter with their own pen that will be unacceptable to many. Result - political fighting forever. The present climate and process proposed to re-write the charter is a recipe for disaster. If the objective is to make the country more democratic is will have the opposite effect because we can't agree yet on what is a balanced democracy. Need to get some compromise and consensus on that first.

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Under the last constitution rewrite did the army absolve itself of any crimes under article 309 ??? including that particular coup. And if 309 is still in the constitution would it be possible for the army to coup again without committing a crime. If so I would suggest the removal of 309 is a must. The army and its backers in particular must be bricking it....its their only weapon

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Under the last constitution rewrite did the army absolve itself of any crimes under article 309 ??? including that particular coup. And if 309 is still in the constitution would it be possible for the army to coup again without committing a crime. If so I would suggest the removal of 309 is a must. The army and its backers in particular must be bricking it....its their only weapon

No. Article 309 deals with the 2006 interim constitution and the actions of the 2006 coup only. There is nothing in there about future coups being legal.

That would be put into the constitution following the next coup.

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It's simpler to explain the process to the simple masses thus; 2007 charter written with military pen, unacceptable to many. Result is political fighting. 2013 charter written with Peua Thai pen, unacceptable to many. Result is political fighting. Argue if you will about one being more backed by a democratic vote than the other but it won't make the problem go away. It will just mean that in a few more years a different group will write yet another charter with their own pen that will be unacceptable to many. Result - political fighting forever. The present climate and process proposed to re-write the charter is a recipe for disaster. If the objective is to make the country more democratic is will have the opposite effect because we can't agree yet on what is a balanced democracy. Need to get some compromise and consensus on that first.

I will eat a bucket of Som tum pla lah if as many as 20% of Thais know what the constitution says or what the proposed changes are or how it will supposedly improve their lives.

This is all for Thaksin, PTP and red shirts to clear their names. The Dems want justice to take its course.

That's why we have the hundreds of ridiculous charges against Abhisit - to bully him into accepting it.

Gutter politics at its most rancid

Gutter Politics...fair comment. Can I ask you what your comment would be about a coalition government created under army supervision in an army barracks. Where at least one party leader was made an "offer he could not refuse' to defect from his current coalition. And why you are on a roll, what do you think the offer he could not refuse was. That there is some good olde gutter politics Moruya

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As usual, 2007 bad, 1997 good. Actually lots of knowledgeble people (lawyers and the like) seem to agree that in many points the 2007 version clarifies the 1997 one. Further refinement and clarifications might be in order, but a complete rewrite seems ridiculous.

The article 309

"Section 309. Any act that its legality and constitutionality has been recognised by the Constitution of the Kingdom of Thailand (Interim), B.E. 2549, including all acts related therewith committed whether before or after the date of promulgation of this Constitution shall be deemed constitutionally under this Constitution."

is a bit of a shame, although somewhat understandable. Mind you, General and MP Sonthi is clearly in favour of an amnesty push and very friendly with Pheu Thai as well. Pheu Thai the 'not about Thaksin' party which likes to whitewash all which happened since 2006, in name of reconciliation only of course. Obviously [sic] and clear for all to see that doesn't stop some from blaming all others

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The "real question" could be "Why now?" Why is the government risking not just it's own stability, but also Thailand's fragile peace, for a constitutional agenda that is unwarranted at best and conspicuous at worst? The answer is for the benefit of Thaksin and his red cult.

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Why they not just let " him " in again?

Chances are big that he will not live to enjoy his victory anyway.

He is in self exile, he can come back any time he wants but there is a big financial reward for him and Yingluck if the charter amendment goes through.

Thailand’s Supreme Court, in a compromise decision that caught many by surprise, ruled on Friday that Mr Thaksin could keep Bt30bn of his Bt77bn ($2.3bn, €1.69bn, £1.5bn) fortune, held in assets frozen since he was removed from office in a military coup in 2006. “To confiscate all of the wealth of Mr Thaksin would be unfair to Mr Thaksin,” the judges said. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/64e44a30-22e3-11df-8942-00144feab49a.html#axzz2FWGtD100

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