Thailand Issues Funds For Free Public Wifi

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Thailand issues funds for free public WiFi

Don Sambandaraksa

BANGKOK: -- Thailand’s regulator has released $32 million (950 million baht) of its USO funds to the ICT Ministry for its ambitious free public Wi-Fi project.

The project aims to have 40,000 hotspots rolled out in 2013, and 250,000 in operation within five years.

Elsewhere, the state power companies of Thailand and Laos, the electricity generating authority of Thailand international (EGATi) and Electricite du Laos (EDL), have announced a four-point cooperation framework which includes joint investment in a fiber network.

The deal also covers investments in power plants, transmission and maintenance.

Details of the fiber network were scant with the bulk of the announcement focused on the power plant investment. Neither company responded to requests for more information.

Source: http://www.telecomas...ree-public-wifi

-- telecomasia.net 2013-01-17

[Rosco911]

''Details of the fiber network were scant with the bulk of the announcement focused on the power plant investment. Neither company responded to requests for more information.''

The cost of internet in Thailand using fiber optics is on par with the space program during the Apollo era.

The last quote we had from TOT for a fiber optic line was over 25,000 THB per month. Check it out for youself.

[khunken]

Often wondered what happened to Don Sambandaraska, previously of the other paper's Database section. Good writer & very knowledgeable.

[brfsa2]

If this wifi is 2.4 GHz only, I will laugh at it. if it's 5GHz then let's talk...

[wpcoe]

Is this the public WiFi project that was supposed to provide a whopping whole five hours per month of free access per user? If so, is there also a access-for-a-fee option?

[SouthernMan3]

If this wifi is 2.4 GHz only, I will laugh at it. if it's 5GHz then let's talk...

What, 4 G doesn't work for you ?

[brfsa2]

If this wifi is 2.4 GHz only, I will laugh at it. if it's 5GHz then let's talk...

What, 4 G doesn't work for you ?

Wifi has 2 Frequencies of operation, 2,400 MHz and 5,000 MHz

the 2400 MHz only has 11 'overlapping' channels, which only 3 are usable on the same area without interference.

the 2400Mhz is very busy and congested, it's outdated, and very very slow when there are more than 10 active APs within the 3 channels...

On the other side, the 5,000Mhz has 40 NON-Overlapping channels, meaning that you can have over 40 access points WITHOUT interference.

in Bangkok truewifi and many other wifi hotspots are so slow and overcrowded because they are all abusing the same channels. they don't even bother to do Spectrum Analysis on the area to optimize the channels.

2.4GHz is barely usable. 5Ghz is the way to go, it's already standard for 8 years, and in Thailand nobody cares to upgrade. only Dtac wifi has 5Ghz that I know.

iphones, ipads, recent android phones and tablets, 6 year old macbooks, imac, tablets, and most notebooks 5 years old all have 5GHz channel.

80% of devices are now 5GHz compatible.

so if they decide to use 5Ghz it will be quite good, if its 2.4Ghz it will be a waste of money.

[Psych01]

If this wifi is 2.4 GHz only, I will laugh at it. if it's 5GHz then let's talk...

What, 4 G doesn't work for you ?

Wifi has 2 Frequencies of operation, 2,400 MHz and 5,000 MHz

the 2400 MHz only has 11 'overlapping' channels, which only 3 are usable on the same area without interference.

the 2400Mhz is very busy and congested, it's outdated, and very very slow when there are more than 10 active APs within the 3 channels...

On the other side, the 5,000Mhz has 40 NON-Overlapping channels, meaning that you can have over 40 access points WITHOUT interference.

in Bangkok truewifi and many other wifi hotspots are so slow and overcrowded because they are all abusing the same channels. they don't even bother to do Spectrum Analysis on the area to optimize the channels.

2.4GHz is barely usable. 5Ghz is the way to go, it's already standard for 8 years, and in Thailand nobody cares to upgrade. only Dtac wifi has 5Ghz that I know.

iphones, ipads, recent android phones and tablets, 6 year old macbooks, imac, tablets, and most notebooks 5 years old all have 5GHz channel.

80% of devices are now 5GHz compatible.

so if they decide to use 5Ghz it will be quite good, if its 2.4Ghz it will be a waste of money.

Is this the same as the LAN connection IPv6 but for WiFi?

[Mudcrab]

If this wifi is 2.4 GHz only, I will laugh at it. if it's 5GHz then let's talk...

What, 4 G doesn't work for you ?

Wifi has 2 Frequencies of operation, 2,400 MHz and 5,000 MHz

the 2400 MHz only has 11 'overlapping' channels, which only 3 are usable on the same area without interference.

the 2400Mhz is very busy and congested, it's outdated, and very very slow when there are more than 10 active APs within the 3 channels...

On the other side, the 5,000Mhz has 40 NON-Overlapping channels, meaning that you can have over 40 access points WITHOUT interference.

in Bangkok truewifi and many other wifi hotspots are so slow and overcrowded because they are all abusing the same channels. they don't even bother to do Spectrum Analysis on the area to optimize the channels.

2.4GHz is barely usable. 5Ghz is the way to go, it's already standard for 8 years, and in Thailand nobody cares to upgrade. only Dtac wifi has 5Ghz that I know.

iphones, ipads, recent android phones and tablets, 6 year old macbooks, imac, tablets, and most notebooks 5 years old all have 5GHz channel.

80% of devices are now 5GHz compatible.

so if they decide to use 5Ghz it will be quite good, if its 2.4Ghz it will be a waste of money.

will tropical downpours be a problem at 5Gig?

[brfsa2]

Is this the same as the LAN connection IPv6 but for WiFi?

no the same, but similar idea.

think about 2.4 GHz as normal TV where you get 6-12 channels.

and 5.0 Ghz as cable tv, where you get 1000 channels.

In each wifi channel "only one" access point can talk at the same time. if you have 3 access points on same channel, each have to wait for the other to stop transmitting (Carrier sense multiple access with collision detection (CSMA/CD)

the more access points you have, the slower it becomes. at my place I see about 20 access points, all fighting for bandwidth channels to talk.

will tropical downpours be a problem at 5Gig?

5GHz range is less than 2.4Ghz, but I dont know what you mean by tropical downpours.. do you mean Rain?

if so, yes, the rain water will cause refraction of the wifi signal. but it's very very small, and hardly noticeable.

5Ghz having less range, could be a good thing too, because it will cause less interference to other APs.

but nothing can't be solved with good antennas and directional dishes

[Psych01]

Is this the same as the LAN connection IPv6 but for WiFi?

no the same, but similar idea.

think about 2.4 GHz as normal TV where you get 6-12 channels.

and 5.0 Ghz as cable tv, where you get 1000 channels.

In each wifi channel "only one" access point can talk at the same time. if you have 3 access points on same channel, each have to wait for the other to stop transmitting (Carrier sense multiple access with collision detection (CSMA/CD)

the more access points you have, the slower it becomes. at my place I see about 20 access points, all fighting for bandwidth channels to talk.

Thanks for that.

[Mudcrab]

Is this the same as the LAN connection IPv6 but for WiFi?

no the same, but similar idea.

think about 2.4 GHz as normal TV where you get 6-12 channels.

and 5.0 Ghz as cable tv, where you get 1000 channels.

In each wifi channel "only one" access point can talk at the same time. if you have 3 access points on same channel, each have to wait for the other to stop transmitting (Carrier sense multiple access with collision detection (CSMA/CD)

the more access points you have, the slower it becomes. at my place I see about 20 access points, all fighting for bandwidth channels to talk.

will tropical downpours be a problem at 5Gig?

5GHz range is less than 2.4Ghz, but I dont know what you mean by tropical downpours.. do you mean Rain?

if so, yes, the rain water will cause refraction of the wifi signal. but it's very very small, and hardly noticeable.

5Ghz having less range, could be a good thing too, because it will cause less interference to other APs.

but nothing can't be solved with good antennas and directional dishes

yes very, very heavy rain. Antennas and directional dishes..sounds like the service will not be all encompassing.....I thought they were implying that wifi would be available to all using the average AIS/Trumove USB style radio modem plugged into a pc/laptop. maybe this will not be such a widespread service....high population density areas perhaps. Those of us out in the country areas might miss out. Can't see fibre coming past this way...ever.

[hawker9000]

Is this the same as the LAN connection IPv6 but for WiFi?

no the same, but similar idea.

think about 2.4 GHz as normal TV where you get 6-12 channels.

and 5.0 Ghz as cable tv, where you get 1000 channels.

In each wifi channel "only one" access point can talk at the same time. if you have 3 access points on same channel, each have to wait for the other to stop transmitting (Carrier sense multiple access with collision detection (CSMA/CD)

the more access points you have, the slower it becomes. at my place I see about 20 access points, all fighting for bandwidth channels to talk.

will tropical downpours be a problem at 5Gig?

5GHz range is less than 2.4Ghz, but I dont know what you mean by tropical downpours.. do you mean Rain?

if so, yes, the rain water will cause refraction of the wifi signal. but it's very very small, and hardly noticeable.

5Ghz having less range, could be a good thing too, because it will cause less interference to other APs.

but nothing can't be solved with good antennas and directional dishes

yes very, very heavy rain. Antennas and directional dishes..sounds like the service will not be all encompassing.....I thought they were implying that wifi would be available to all using the average AIS/Trumove USB style radio modem plugged into a pc/laptop. maybe this will not be such a widespread service....high population density areas perhaps. Those of us out in the country areas might miss out. Can't see fibre coming past this way...ever.

Have noted some of these hotspots in train stations & elsewhere, but can never figure out how to get the logon details to use them. (Course it might help if I could read Thai....) I get to a logon page, but then don't have the credentials to get past the logon screen. I thought the idea was you provided a local (Thai) cell no., which I have, and would then get an SMS back with the logon info; but not seeing that. There usually IS a phone no. shown somewhere on the logon page - are you supposed to call that to get the logon info?

[hyperdimension]

For people who reside in Bangkok, could this make 3G in the city redundant? I was thinking of getting a new 3G-capable phone but wouldn't need one if there's going to be free wifi all over the city.