Bullets May Have Come From Both Sides

[scotbeve]

Som num na, they got what they deserved. No city in the world would have been as tolerant as long as this one was, before finally having to relieve Bangkok of these people. First negotiation, offers of settlement (which were ignored), then requests to disperse, then demands to vacate, and finally military - what did they expect? Try laying siege to any western country and see what the police will do. No sympathy from me that's for sure.

They would be using RUBBER bullets and TEAR Gas, NOT live ammunition. For goodness sake, which western country would turn their army loose on civillian protesters with live ammunition. That is criminal respective of how long the protests had been running. Surely somebody has to answer for this bastardly order.

Try Ohio State U. - ...tin soldiers and Nixon coming..... 5 dead in Ohio.....

[lannarebirth]

Som num na, they got what they deserved. No city in the world would have been as tolerant as long as this one was, before finally having to relieve Bangkok of these people. First negotiation, offers of settlement (which were ignored), then requests to disperse, then demands to vacate, and finally military - what did they expect? Try laying siege to any western country and see what the police will do. No sympathy from me that's for sure.

They would be using RUBBER bullets and TEAR Gas, NOT live ammunition. For goodness sake, which western country would turn their army loose on civillian protesters with live ammunition. That is criminal respective of how long the protests had been running. Surely somebody has to answer for this bastardly order.

Try Ohio State U. - ...tin soldiers and Nixon coming..... 5 dead in Ohio.....

I think you mean Kent State.

[scotbeve]

Som num na, they got what they deserved. No city in the world would have been as tolerant as long as this one was, before finally having to relieve Bangkok of these people. First negotiation, offers of settlement (which were ignored), then requests to disperse, then demands to vacate, and finally military - what did they expect? Try laying siege to any western country and see what the police will do. No sympathy from me that's for sure.

They would be using RUBBER bullets and TEAR Gas, NOT live ammunition. For goodness sake, which western country would turn their army loose on civillian protesters with live ammunition. That is criminal respective of how long the protests had been running. Surely somebody has to answer for this bastardly order.

Try Ohio State U. - ...tin soldiers and Nixon coming..... 5 dead in Ohio.....

I think you mean Kent State.

Indeed I did.... sad wasn't it.

[muttley]

On the contrary, there are many witness statements and so far about 5 coroners reports, to the effect that persons shot were not armed.

As an aside to the matter.

,In combat situations and the resultant casualty and body count one invariably did not find arms or ammunition with the casualties

This was in the main due to such weaponry and ammunition being collected by the fleeing survivors in order to maintain their or the bodies. arsenals.

Often not even I.D. documents, street warfare like any guerrilla warfare is indeed a clandestine operation concerning who and what.

How would you explain the army killing of the obviously unarmed Channarong Pholsrila then? Was that clandestine guerilla warfare, the dastardly red shirts sneaking out in broad daylight to a minuscle tyre "barricade" whilst the army fired away with live ammunition just so they could get rid of the "evidence" of M16 rifles and the like?

You can't have missed the video where he was gutshot in plain daylight (others were also shot and wounded at the same time) and was eventually got to the relative "safety" of being out of sight of the army - of course by then it was too late, he was already dying.

Of course the army had a different "take" on what happened, but their "Army issues rebuttal of over killing of taxi driver", http://www.thaivisa....e/#entry5497440

was somewhat dismantled by Nick Nostitzs reply

The "rebuttal" by the army on the killing of Channarong is unbelievalby wrong, and looks to me a sign of desperation

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/570936-thai-army-issues-rebuttal-of-over-killing-of-taxi-driver-2010-political-violence/#entry5499162

and he was there, literally. Not to mention that the video reflects NN's testimony.

Now if the army are willing to lie over this in print and on oath in the inquest what worth is their "word' over anything? But if you wish to believe the guns were taken off the bodies fairy tales go ahead. I am not denying somebody was shooting at the army - but it doesn't appear to be that those "somebodies" who were shot dead by the army were the "armed ones" as all the inquests have shown so far.

[muttley]

Boonmee: Hit by a round of .223 bullets used in assault rifles - the type of bullets that also injured soldiers. Hence, there is cause to suspect that the troops were not the only ones armed with assault rifles.

Thus, the inquest concluded that though a round of .223 bullets hit Boonmee, it could not be determined which side was responsible for his death.

Shots fired from more than one side. Boonmee hit and succumbing a month later. Soldiers injured as well. That's all it says. The rest I read here is the usual speculation I've been reading here for close to three years now. Peaceful protesters, a few not so peaceful protesters. Soldiers shooting, unknowns shooting. UDD leaders telling all "it's over, please go home".

If some of the unknowns are (ex-)army will they qualify as protester and be part of the amnesty bill ?

Oh rubl. Didn't you notice in the three years the only difference is that it is only now that official inquests (you know official stuff with witnesses and things like that are being held as opposed to the wondrous tales emanating from both sides I admit, but none so outrageous as those from the army the dems and CRES.

So official inquests not speculation. Well, speculation from one side it seems who still don't wish to believe their beloved green army were responsible for shooting unarmed protesters. Why even the CIC doesn't yet seem to believe his troops were responsible for the deaths. Prayuth in March last year to a commission : "He said that he had asked his subordinates as to whether they had ever shot at anyone, but they just answered that they had only been shot at"

[rubl]

Boonmee: Hit by a round of .223 bullets used in assault rifles - the type of bullets that also injured soldiers. Hence, there is cause to suspect that the troops were not the only ones armed with assault rifles.

Thus, the inquest concluded that though a round of .223 bullets hit Boonmee, it could not be determined which side was responsible for his death.

Shots fired from more than one side. Boonmee hit and succumbing a month later. Soldiers injured as well. That's all it says. The rest I read here is the usual speculation I've been reading here for close to three years now. Peaceful protesters, a few not so peaceful protesters. Soldiers shooting, unknowns shooting. UDD leaders telling all "it's over, please go home".

If some of the unknowns are (ex-)army will they qualify as protester and be part of the amnesty bill ?

Oh rubl. Didn't you notice in the three years the only difference is that it is only now that official inquests (you know official stuff with witnesses and things like that are being held as opposed to the wondrous tales emanating from both sides I admit, but none so outrageous as those from the army the dems and CRES.

So official inquests not speculation. Well, speculation from one side it seems who still don't wish to believe their beloved green army were responsible for shooting unarmed protesters. Why even the CIC doesn't yet seem to believe his troops were responsible for the deaths. Prayuth in March last year to a commission : "He said that he had asked his subordinates as to whether they had ever shot at anyone, but they just answered that they had only been shot at"

Oh dear mutt, answering a question I didn't ask.

Anyway, speculation from all sides, not just one. Including the side which seems to have problems to come to grip with the army needing to have gunfights with 'non-red-shirt' armed elements . Well, as I wrote, some old stuff, no real new info.

Yes, now's it's official, bullets may have come from both sides

[whybother]

Oh rubl. Didn't you notice in the three years the only difference is that it is only now that official inquests (you know official stuff with witnesses and things like that are being held as opposed to the wondrous tales emanating from both sides I admit, but none so outrageous as those from the army the dems and CRES.

So official inquests not speculation. Well, speculation from one side it seems who still don't wish to believe their beloved green army were responsible for shooting unarmed protesters. Why even the CIC doesn't yet seem to believe his troops were responsible for the deaths. Prayuth in March last year to a commission : "He said that he had asked his subordinates as to whether they had ever shot at anyone, but they just answered that they had only been shot at"

You seem to be ignoring all the red leaders who say there were no armed protesters.

[muttley]

Lets take it a little further. The authorised killing of innocent people. Granted some may not be but most were no threat to army personnel or precious buildngs

You do realize how stupid that makes you sound, right?

YOu sound like my Prathom daughter...'dad dont be silly' Authorising live fire zones and snipers who between them discharged (or not returned to the armoury) nearly 120,000 rounds of live ammo authorisation to kill because only a fool could believe all them rounds were fired at red shirts with weapons. Does that make me sound stupid. One word replys not accepted. Please tell me why I appear stupid

First, If you would please read through my posts and replies with 473geo, so I don't have to re type everything again for you.

Honestly consider your allegation. The authorised killing of innocent people.

Do you honestly believe that anybody in the AV Govt directly ordered or authorized the killing of an innocent, unarmed person/ persons, Yes or NO

Now how stupid does that sound The authorised killing of innocent people.

That's the conclusion that the Red Shirts who listened to and believed in the doctored audio tape came to.

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Would that be the doctored tape that was doing the rounds in 2009?

[muttley]

Oh rubl. Didn't you notice in the three years the only difference is that it is only now that official inquests (you know official stuff with witnesses and things like that are being held as opposed to the wondrous tales emanating from both sides I admit, but none so outrageous as those from the army the dems and CRES.

So official inquests not speculation. Well, speculation from one side it seems who still don't wish to believe their beloved green army were responsible for shooting unarmed protesters. Why even the CIC doesn't yet seem to believe his troops were responsible for the deaths. Prayuth in March last year to a commission : "He said that he had asked his subordinates as to whether they had ever shot at anyone, but they just answered that they had only been shot at"

You seem to be ignoring all the red leaders who say there were no armed protesters.

Well apart from the fact that it has nothing to do with my argument I'm not too au fait with ALL the red leaders who say there were no armed protesters.

In fact you would have to say that they would be right so far seeing as there haven't been any armed protesters charged and imprisoned with those offenses apart from Sae Daengs right hand man. I'm sure you know of many more.

[rubl]

Oh rubl. Didn't you notice in the three years the only difference is that it is only now that official inquests (you know official stuff with witnesses and things like that are being held as opposed to the wondrous tales emanating from both sides I admit, but none so outrageous as those from the army the dems and CRES.

So official inquests not speculation. Well, speculation from one side it seems who still don't wish to believe their beloved green army were responsible for shooting unarmed protesters. Why even the CIC doesn't yet seem to believe his troops were responsible for the deaths. Prayuth in March last year to a commission : "He said that he had asked his subordinates as to whether they had ever shot at anyone, but they just answered that they had only been shot at"

You seem to be ignoring all the red leaders who say there were no armed protesters.

Well apart from the fact that it has nothing to do with my argument I'm not too au fait with ALL the red leaders who say there were no armed protesters.

In fact you would have to say that they would be right so far seeing as there haven't been any armed protesters charged and imprisoned with those offenses apart from Sae Daengs right hand man. I'm sure you know of many more.

MY dear mutt, there is a difference between 'armed protesters charged' and 'armed protesters identified' which comes first. Mind you as you mentioned in the answer to a question I didn't ask, it's now starting to get more official with these inquests "both sides fired".

Now put your thoughts on this: Somewhen last year it was announced that the DSI would first concenstrate on the 'easy cases'

[Buchholz]

For the benefit of those that supposedly joined the forum within the past month and are professing to be unaware of various Red Shirt criminal involvements, this thread:

Thailand's Fragile Peace Threatened, Bomb Attack

is chockablock full of various bombings and information and arrests and admissions of the Red Shirt Bomber Squad.

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Edited January 28, 2013 by Buchholz

[muttley]

Thanks for your explanation Dolly, so why did the Abhisit government not just step down and avoid any escalation, is there a vilid reason that justifies 90 deaths, Perhaps you would be so kind as to fill in this detail. Also who made this decision not to step down? because I believe (but I may be wrong) I believe Abhisit would have stepped down and called an election to avoid violence and death.

With all due respect 437geo you have stated that you are basically only resident in Thailand for short periods of time in one of your posts some time back, therefore is your understanding of matters first hand or from your successful rice farming wife ?

Were you actually here at the time of the civil disorder, ?

I was and it was indeed a very unpleasant experience dealing with the self appointed Red Shirt guards and commissars along with the Red Shirt commission agents who extracted tolls from me and others to so as we could proceed lo our places of work.

The expression '' Anarchy'' springs to mind casting my mind back to those actions along with the calls for the then administration to resign.

I call upon you 473geo to resign from this thread as your views go against the mainstream posts.

Let's follow the logic and dogma of the Red Shirt movement you support shall we ?

No double standards, crying democracy yet in reality the Red Shirt leaderships aim was and still is to destroy democracy and return a political megalomaniac to absolute power.

Those who died were playing with fire either for a belief in the cause or more likely a daily stipend from those who led from the back and in Dubai. ., . ..

This must be the most ridiculous self aggrandising post I have ever read:

"I call upon you 473geo to resign from this thread as your views go against the mainstream posts".

Did I read correctly, - do not write anymore on this thread as you disagree with us! Really !! I've heard it all now.

[Buchholz]

That's the conclusion that the Red Shirts who listened to and believed in the doctored audio tape came to.

Would that be the doctored tape that was doing the rounds in 2009?

Deja Vu question from a previous member....

when you refer to the faked Abhisit clip, do you mean the one released in August of 2009?

I'm afraid I can't remember exactly when it was released... but that sounds about right, it was referring to the 2009 protest. I do know that it was re-played by Jatuporn to incite more hatred on the Rajprasong stage in late April 2010, which is just shameless.

So yes, it was the doctored tape from 2009 that continued to get airplay to the Red Shirt faithful well into 2010.

Edited January 28, 2013 by Buchholz

[muttley]

Would that be the doctored tape that was doing the rounds in 2009?

Deja Vu question from a previous member....

when you refer to the faked Abhisit clip, do you mean the one released in August of 2009?

I'm afraid I can't remember exactly when it was released... but that sounds about right, it was referring to the 2009 protest. I do know that it was re-played by Jatuporn to incite more hatred on the Rajprasong stage in late April 2010, which is just shameless.

So yes, it was the doctored tape from 2009 that continued to get airplay to the Red Shirt faithful well into 2010.

Well actually, supposedly on one occasion as "remembered" as being "re-played by Jatuporn to incite more hatred on the Rajprasong stage in late April 2010" by a poster not known for their fondness of anything red, who could be construed as biased even.

Another good try to chip away there buchholz. Keep the faith.

[whybother]

Well actually, supposedly on one occasion as "remembered" as being "re-played by Jatuporn to incite more hatred on the Rajprasong stage in late April 2010" by a poster not known for their fondness of anything red, who could be construed as biased even.

Another good try to chip away there buchholz. Keep the faith.

He [Abhisit] accused protest leaders of trying to incite their followers by playing a doctored tape in which Abhisit supposedly told military leaders to shoot demonstrators during disturbances last April.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1971955,00.html#ixzz2JHmGV5oQ

[muttley]

Well actually, supposedly on one occasion as "remembered" as being "re-played by Jatuporn to incite more hatred on the Rajprasong stage in late April 2010" by a poster not known for their fondness of anything red, who could be construed as biased even.

Another good try to chip away there buchholz. Keep the faith.

He [Abhisit] accused protest leaders of trying to incite their followers by playing a doctored tape in which Abhisit supposedly told military leaders to shoot demonstrators during disturbances last April.

Read more: http://www.time.com/...l#ixzz2JHmGV5oQ

Unfortunately the times article you link was published on Monday March 15th 2010. It seems that either the article is wrong, abhisit is wrong or more likely pi Seks memory is wrong. Mind you Abhisit also said the troops wouldn't use force against the protesters

Amid Massive Protests, Thai PM Won't Step Down

By Robert Horn / Bangkok Monday, Mar.15, 2010 Abhisit assured that the army would not use force against the demonstrators, while urging them not to break laws. He accused protest leaders of trying to incite their followers by playing a doctored tape in which Abhisit supposedly told military leaders to shoot demonstrators during disturbances last April

[whybother]

Unfortunately the times article you link was published on Monday March 15th 2010. It seems that either the article is wrong, abhisit is wrong or more likely pi Seks memory is wrong. Mind you Abhisit also said the troops wouldn't use force against the protesters

Amid Massive Protests, Thai PM Won't Step Down

By Robert Horn / Bangkok Monday, Mar.15, 2010 Abhisit assured that the army would not use force against the demonstrators, while urging them not to break laws. He accused protest leaders of trying to incite their followers by playing a doctored tape in which Abhisit supposedly told military leaders to shoot demonstrators during disturbances last April

It seems Pi Sek's memory was wrong, since he mentioned it was released in August 2009, whereas Time and Buchholz said it was from April 2009.

Abhisit also urged the protesters not to break laws. When Abhisit said that he wouldn't use troops against the demonstrators, I don't think he was expecting the demonstrators to use force against the army.

Edited January 28, 2013 by whybother

[rubl]

Well actually, supposedly on one occasion as "remembered" as being "re-played by Jatuporn to incite more hatred on the Rajprasong stage in late April 2010" by a poster not known for their fondness of anything red, who could be construed as biased even.

Another good try to chip away there buchholz. Keep the faith.

Nice try dear mutt, but not really correct. You might not know as you've only been with us for a month now.

The tape and the mention of it was frequently and vocally and loud shoutcasted by a few of the UDD leaders. Thanks to PTV, a red-shirt station, all was broadcasted and re-broadcasted for prosterity till all would believe there was something fishy with k. 'kill me some' Abhisit. Even after May, 2010 stations upcountry still broadcasted those (shout) messages. I would have to check, but rumour has it that even now the objectivity of some stations upcountry are under serious doubt. The voice of the people seems to be close to the voice of Mr. T's son

Keep the 'red' faith burning bright, my dear dog. One day some might even believe you

PS when bullets are coming from both sides better duck

Edited January 28, 2013 by rubl

[Buchholz]

Deja Vu question from a previous member....

when you refer to the faked Abhisit clip, do you mean the one released in August of 2009?

I'm afraid I can't remember exactly when it was released... but that sounds about right, it was referring to the 2009 protest. I do know that it was re-played by Jatuporn to incite more hatred on the Rajprasong stage in late April 2010, which is just shameless.

So yes, it was the doctored tape from 2009 that continued to get airplay to the Red Shirt faithful well into 2010.

Well actually, supposedly on one occasion as "remembered" as being "re-played by Jatuporn to incite more hatred on the Rajprasong stage in late April 2010" by a poster not known for their fondness of anything red, who could be construed as biased even.

Some might say he's perhaps even as biased as your earlier quoted source Nostitz is.

But at least for PiSek's side there's other corroboration that Jatuporn's doctored tapes were played long after their initial release and that was the point of my original post. That and that many Red Shirts continue to believe they are real to this day, Tom.

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Edited January 28, 2013 by Buchholz

[Thaddeus]

Another good try to chip away there buchholz. Keep the faith.

There are three things that can not stay hidden for long, the sun, the moon and the truth.

[muttley]

Well actually, supposedly on one occasion as "remembered" as being "re-played by Jatuporn to incite more hatred on the Rajprasong stage in late April 2010" by a poster not known for their fondness of anything red, who could be construed as biased even.

Another good try to chip away there buchholz. Keep the faith.

Nice try dear mutt, but not really correct. You might not know as you've only been with us for a month now.

The tape and the mention of it was frequently and vocally and loud shoutcasted by a few of the UDD leaders. Thanks to PTV, a red-shirt station, all was broadcasted and re-broadcasted for prosterity till all would believe there was something fishy with k. 'kill me some' Abhisit. Even after May, 2010 stations upcountry still broadcasted those (shout) messages. I would have to check, but rumour has it that even now the objectivity of some stations upcountry are under serious doubt. The voice of the people seems to be close to the voice of Mr. T's son

Keep the 'red' faith burning bright, my dear dog. One day some might even believe you

PS when bullets are coming from both sides better duck

Strange as it may seem I really don't care whether you believe me or not. Though I won't be following siampolees advice and shall continue to post as long as I am allowed to. With regard to the doctored tape - I'll think you'll find that the antipathy shown towards abhisit by the red shirt followers is based on a bit more than a fake voice tape.

Do you not remember the propaganda spread by the army spokesman on behalf of abhisit, or even the lies and bile spewed by Suthep and further the lies of abhisit himself. The lies about anti monarchy mind map. More contemporarily, the filth that was spread on the blue lightning democrat tv channel during the "row" about Yingluck attending a private meeting in the 4 seasons hotel. Was none of this used in mind to stir up the contemptories of the democrat party?

[rubl]

Strange as it may seem I really don't care whether you believe me or not. Though I won't be following siampolees advice and shall continue to post as long as I am allowed to. With regard to the doctored tape - I'll think you'll find that the antipathy shown towards abhisit by the red shirt followers is based on a bit more than a fake voice tape.

Do you not remember the propaganda spread by the army spokesman on behalf of abhisit, or even the lies and bile spewed by Suthep and further the lies of abhisit himself. The lies about anti monarchy mind map. More contemporarily, the filth that was spread on the blue lightning democrat tv channel during the "row" about Yingluck attending a private meeting in the 4 seasons hotel. Was none of this used in mind to stir up the contemptories of the democrat party?

My dear mutt, like most newcomers here you seem to make a slight mistake. Since we have Pheu Thai led government , 'Thaksin thinks, Pheu Thai acts', Pheu Thai party list UDD leader MPs and UDD leader Pheu Thai MPs, you seem to believe the Democratic party is involved in a similar setup. That's incorrect. The UDD opposite PAD even voted against the Democrats with their 'no vote' in July 2011.

Anyway the topic, believe me or not, is flying bullets on that fateful day May 2010. With the complements of k. 'kill me some' Abhisit and the renegate general 'no one saw me' Seh Daeng

Edited January 29, 2013 by rubl

[muttley]

Strange as it may seem I really don't care whether you believe me or not. Though I won't be following siampolees advice and shall continue to post as long as I am allowed to. With regard to the doctored tape - I'll think you'll find that the antipathy shown towards abhisit by the red shirt followers is based on a bit more than a fake voice tape.

Do you not remember the propaganda spread by the army spokesman on behalf of abhisit, or even the lies and bile spewed by Suthep and further the lies of abhisit himself. The lies about anti monarchy mind map. More contemporarily, the filth that was spread on the blue lightning democrat tv channel during the "row" about Yingluck attending a private meeting in the 4 seasons hotel. Was none of this used in mind to stir up the contemptories of the democrat party?

My dear mutt, like most newcomers here you seem to make a slight mistake. Since we have Pheu Thai led government , 'Thaksin thinks, Pheu Thai acts', Pheu Thai party list UDD leader MPs and UDD leader Pheu Thai MPs, you seem to believe the Democratic party is involved in a similar setup. That's incorrect. The UDD opposite PAD even voted against the Democrats with their 'no vote' in July 2011.

Anyway the topic, believe me or not, is flying bullets on that fateful day May 2010. With the complements of k. 'kill me some' Abhisit and the renegate general 'no one saw me' Seh Daeng

Am I missing something here rubl? What on earth are you on about the PAD for? Where in my post is there anything whatsoever to lead you to make a reply such as you have? You're almost up to the nation reporting standards with this one.

[rubl]

Strange as it may seem I really don't care whether you believe me or not. Though I won't be following siampolees advice and shall continue to post as long as I am allowed to. With regard to the doctored tape - I'll think you'll find that the antipathy shown towards abhisit by the red shirt followers is based on a bit more than a fake voice tape.

Do you not remember the propaganda spread by the army spokesman on behalf of abhisit, or even the lies and bile spewed by Suthep and further the lies of abhisit himself. The lies about anti monarchy mind map. More contemporarily, the filth that was spread on the blue lightning democrat tv channel during the "row" about Yingluck attending a private meeting in the 4 seasons hotel. Was none of this used in mind to stir up the contemptories of the democrat party?

My dear mutt, like most newcomers here you seem to make a slight mistake. Since we have Pheu Thai led government , 'Thaksin thinks, Pheu Thai acts', Pheu Thai party list UDD leader MPs and UDD leader Pheu Thai MPs, you seem to believe the Democratic party is involved in a similar setup. That's incorrect. The UDD opposite PAD even voted against the Democrats with their 'no vote' in July 2011.

Anyway the topic, believe me or not, is flying bullets on that fateful day May 2010. With the complements of k. 'kill me some' Abhisit and the renegate general 'no one saw me' Seh Daeng

Am I missing something here rubl? What on earth are you on about the PAD for? Where in my post is there anything whatsoever to lead you to make a reply such as you have? You're almost up to the nation reporting standards with this one.

Still off topic, my dear dog, just like some 'contemptories of the other party'

[muttley]

Well actually, supposedly on one occasion as "remembered" as being "re-played by Jatuporn to incite more hatred on the Rajprasong stage in late April 2010" by a poster not known for their fondness of anything red, who could be construed as biased even.

Some might say he's perhaps even as biased as your earlier quoted source Nostitz is.

But at least for PiSek's side there's other corroboration that Jatuporn's doctored tapes were played long after their initial release and that was the point of my original post. That and that many Red Shirts continue to believe they are real to this day, Tom.

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Not even you could doubt the veracity of the NN coverage of the killing at the barricade video, could you?

Tom?

[muttley]

Strange as it may seem I really don't care whether you believe me or not. Though I won't be following siampolees advice and shall continue to post as long as I am allowed to. With regard to the doctored tape - I'll think you'll find that the antipathy shown towards abhisit by the red shirt followers is based on a bit more than a fake voice tape.

Do you not remember the propaganda spread by the army spokesman on behalf of abhisit, or even the lies and bile spewed by Suthep and further the lies of abhisit himself. The lies about anti monarchy mind map. More contemporarily, the filth that was spread on the blue lightning democrat tv channel during the "row" about Yingluck attending a private meeting in the 4 seasons hotel. Was none of this used in mind to stir up the contemptories of the democrat party?

My dear mutt, like most newcomers here you seem to make a slight mistake. Since we have Pheu Thai led government , 'Thaksin thinks, Pheu Thai acts', Pheu Thai party list UDD leader MPs and UDD leader Pheu Thai MPs, you seem to believe the Democratic party is involved in a similar setup. That's incorrect. The UDD opposite PAD even voted against the Democrats with their 'no vote' in July 2011.

Anyway the topic, believe me or not, is flying bullets on that fateful day May 2010. With the complements of k. 'kill me some' Abhisit and the renegate general 'no one saw me' Seh Daeng

Am I missing something here rubl? What on earth are you on about the PAD for? Where in my post is there anything whatsoever to lead you to make a reply such as you have? You're almost up to the nation reporting standards with this one.

Still off topic, my dear dog, just like some 'contemptories of the other party'

Honest mistake gov. Oh I see you've found your "off topic monitor badge" again.

[rubl]

Well actually, supposedly on one occasion as "remembered" as being "re-played by Jatuporn to incite more hatred on the Rajprasong stage in late April 2010" by a poster not known for their fondness of anything red, who could be construed as biased even.

Some might say he's perhaps even as biased as your earlier quoted source Nostitz is.

But at least for PiSek's side there's other corroboration that Jatuporn's doctored tapes were played long after their initial release and that was the point of my original post. That and that many Red Shirts continue to believe they are real to this day, Tom.

Not even you could doubt the veracity of the NN coverage of the killing at the barricade video, could you?

I also respect NN for his reporting, like this

"Several of us, including me, met armed Red Shirt militants during the fighting, and non of us were killed by them, even though in cover of darkness it would have been easy for them to do so."

At least that seems to give an indication as to who the army was shooting at in the 'on topic' case of "Bullets may have come from both sides"

[Buchholz]

Well actually, supposedly on one occasion as "remembered" as being "re-played by Jatuporn to incite more hatred on the Rajprasong stage in late April 2010" by a poster not known for their fondness of anything red, who could be construed as biased even.

Some might say he's perhaps even as biased as your earlier quoted source Nostitz is.

But at least for PiSek's side there's other corroboration that Jatuporn's doctored tapes were played long after their initial release and that was the point of my original post. That and that many Red Shirts continue to believe they are real to this day, Tom.

Not even you could doubt the veracity of the NN coverage of the killing at the barricade video, could you?

Tom?

No more than you can doubt the veracity of PiSek's report of the doctored taped played long after its creation. At least there's corroboration in his descriptions. You call it bias. Equally, I'm certainly not alone in highlighting Nostitz's biases. It's a rather significant aspect to his photojournalism.

Sorry about using Tom. It was just that the deja vu experience of your repeating former member Tom Lansford's posts from the past that were just so deja vu-ish, it inadvertently slipped. Apologies for the honest mistake.

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Edited January 29, 2013 by Buchholz