A Warning To Malaysian Men: Be Wary Of Thai Marriages

[Lancelot]

This article isn't news at all. This practice of Malaysian men

marrying Thai ladies in the Southern Border provinces has

been going on for centuries. Interesting is the fact that the

Malaysian man's Malay wife may not know about his marriage

to a Thai lady whereas the Thai wife knows about the Malay wife.

Some of the old rail road workers in the US sometimes had several families- at different points on the route of course.

Lets see, Monday its Maybell in Memphis; Friday its Nancy in N'Orleans, lol!

[smotherb]

if the price is right...........

But I daresay the thai boyfriend cousin will still be around

Are you inferring all Thai women are in it for the money and will all have boyfriends on the side . . . . . what a pitiful existence you must have, if that is you meaning

[bra]

Malaysian get married in Thailand according to religious rites. This does not mean they go to Thailand to marry a Thai. Getting married for second or more wives are stringent with groom having to proof that he can afford such marriage and with permission from fist wife.

That's true in Malaysia & Indonesia & most of the Muslim world. However the Malay wife may

never know about the Thai wife because the man married her in Thailand and not in Malaysia.

It happens all the time in the Thai-Mal bordering provinces....I know many Thai ladies married

to Malay men and they know that the Malay wife knows nothing about the Thai wife.

Up until 1903 the northern present day Malaysia states of Kedah, Perlis, Kelantan and Trengganu were part of "Siam" , but were ceded to British Malaya by Rama V to prevent the British Colonial powers from taking more of Siam. Transfer of land to British Burma, and to French Indo China was also done for the same reason, however the majority of Siam remained Siamese. Clever work by Rama V.

So crossing the southern Thai border by Malaisian Moslim men to marry Thia Moslem women has its roots in history. In Malaysia it is legal for a moslim man to have 4 wives, however there are strict rules (in theory) abour taking the second and subsequent wives. This is only permitted if the first wife can no longer bear children, and she must give her approval for her husband to take other wives. She must be treated with respect by the other wives and acknowledged as first wife. The same applies to the second and third wives. Now in practice these rules (like in any religion) are "bent " to allow men to get younger wives. In Western Socities we just get a mistress/s or divorce wife number 1 (or 2 or 3 etc).

The practice yof having more legal wives has its roots in history, as due to wars gthe number of men decreasrd, and to keep the population going a man could have more wives and keep breeding.

[SteeleJoe]

Big news.....Muslim can have all the women they want, and that is considered a favor to them in this world.....Most "farangs" are not Muslim and are married in their countries and also in Thailand...What is the problem?...they also are making a favor to some Thai women...We live now in a "global" community.....Why not?

Not all they want. Four wives. And only on the condition that he can treat them all fairly.

So the Qur'an says...

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[sfbandung]

You know what. Who cares? After many years of defending people's religious views I've had it with Islam.

Best of luck to them ...

[smotherb]

Sputjam, hate to ask but what's a FIST wife?

Of course, Mary Palm, or one of her five daughters.

[smotherb]

This doesn't even qualify as a legal marriage in Thailand. Why no malay birth certificate though?

That is the problem, it is not a legal marriage so it is not recognised by Malaysia. For that it would need to be a legal Thai marriage, for which one cannot be maried already.

Well said Mario, one of the brighter lights here

[unanimosity]

"Malaysian Muslim men have recently taken to journeying into southern Thailand in order to secure second, third or fourth wives"

You could not make up stuff like this.... Wonder how the Thai women are liking playing second fiddle to the Malaysian first wife...

No problem unless the baht stops.

[unanimosity]

Big news.....Muslim can have all the women they want, and that is considered a favor to them in this world.....Most "farangs" are not Muslim and are married in their countries and also in Thailand...What is the problem?...they also are making a favor to some Thai women...We live now in a "global" community.....Why not?

Not all they want. Four wives. And only on the condition that he can treat them all fairly.

So the Qur'an says...

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Treat them all fairly like not letting any of them drive or leave the house unescorted or be seen without being covered by a black tent?

[unanimosity]

"Malaysian Muslim men have recently taken to journeying into southern Thailand in order to secure second, third or fourth wives"

You could not make up stuff like this.... Wonder how the Thai women are liking playing second fiddle to the Malaysian first wife...

Should read "Warning to Thai women, Muslim men will make you a mia, mia, mia noi!"

I'm assuming that the 2 of you are just ignorant of the fact that Southern Thailand has a massive Muslim population and, as part of Islam, a man is allowed to have as many as 4 wives.....

Ergo, the Thai woman will be well aware of the position she would hold within the family...

Remember, these woman are Muslim first, THEN Thai or Malay....

You are right. A few months ago an important Muslim cleric from India was lecturing on TV to Muslim men asking them to please marry or take home many women they wanted, because single and divorced Muslim women are becoming "public domain"..textual words....

The whole agenda with having many wives is to overpopulate the world with muslim offspring. It is an agenda not dissimilar to the original catholic bans on contraception and abortion.

[SteeleJoe]

Big news.....Muslim can have all the women they want, and that is considered a favor to them in this world.....Most "farangs" are not Muslim and are married in their countries and also in Thailand...What is the problem?...they also are making a favor to some Thai women...We live now in a "global" community.....Why not?

Not all they want. Four wives. And only on the condition that he can treat them all fairly.

So the Qur'an says...

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Treat them all fairly like not letting any of them drive or leave the house unescorted or be seen without being covered by a black tent?

I suppose so. If that's happens to be a Muslims interpretation of correct Islamic mores and it is applied equally to all his wives, I guess that's "fair".

Don't expect me to apologize or excuse the beliefs of people who believe in some omniscient and omnipotent magic being in the sky (ie Muslims, Christians or anyone else), I'm just telling you what I know from reading the Qur'an and some study of Islam and its culture(s).

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[unanimosity]

if the price is right...........

But I daresay the thai boyfriend cousin will still be around

Are you inferring all Thai women are in it for the money and will all have boyfriends on the side . . . . . what a pitiful existence you must have, if that is you meaning

Are you ignorant of Thai wife infidelity or do you like boyfriends too? Google it and smell the coffee.

[MikeThaison]

When I lived in the south, I stayed in a house for a couple months with a bunch of Thai women, (weird story how i stayed there, but was not dating any of them) needless to say one was a woman that was the "2nd wife" of one of the head Muslim guys in that area. I had to spend Sundays out late cause it was their day to be at the house. fuc_king awkward as hell, did make some money on the bull fights he took me too though.

[Docno]

If malaysia had more than 60 percent muslims, I'm sure they would allow polygamy (with or without 4 wife limit). Too bad, they are stuck to 50 percent of whole population.

I wonder if Indonesia accepts 4 wifes per man, even though they are from another country?

If I may believe my friend, a Buddhist Chinese Malaysian businessman, more or less escaped to Thailand with his legal Thai wife (both countries) because of the more and more stringent and oppressing muslim "influences", the muslims are now numbering 60%-65% of the Malay people.

Also, there seems to be a repression of the Chinese and Indian people of the country, who tend to be Buddhists and Christians.

Typical muslim?

Actually, all (100%) Malays in Malaysia are Muslim. It's in the constitution (article 160). It's technically illegal for a Malay to convert. Now, if you meant Malaysian, that's another matter entirely...

[Docno]

"Malaysian Muslim men have recently taken to journeying into southern Thailand in order to secure second, third or fourth wives"

You could not make up stuff like this.... Wonder how the Thai women are liking playing second fiddle to the Malaysian first wife...

Look, this was the way of the world before the 20th century. Even in Europe in the not so distant past. Most human societies in history have been formally or informally polygamist (versus perhaps a couple remote one that have been polygynist). In traditional societies it was not a bad deal for the wives. The women helped each other (status was usually clear) and supported each other ... don't forget, throughout most of history, marriage was not about love, it was about creating family/business alliances and extending the family line. Some anthropologists have suggested that societies started creating laws against polygamy because it creates an underclass of men (typically young and testosterone infused) with little access to women while older, wealthier men monopolise the women. Can create a dangerous climate... [Of course, there are some who further say this is why the older richer men in societies 'create' wars: to get these young frustrated men onto something different far away from home.]

[TPI]

Since independance in Malaya the "Bumie Putras" (sons of the soil) (Muslim Malay's) have dictated the roles and rules of their country, they have precedence in every sphere of life...a very subtle apartheid winked at by countries in the West!

[rkidlad]

I think this is all very unfair.

I think 'all' men should be warned against 'any' marriage.

[FarangTalk]

Up until 1903 the northern present day Malaysia states of Kedah, Perlis, Kelantan and Trengganu were part of "Siam" , but were ceded to British Malaya by Rama V to prevent the British Colonial powers from taking more of Siam. Transfer of land to British Burma, and to French Indo China was also done for the same reason, however the majority of Siam remained Siamese. Clever work by Rama V.

In actuality, the French wanted to colonise Siam, not the British, and it was the threat of British aggression against the French over Yunnan that prevented them from adding Siam to Indochina lock, stock and barrel.

The Siamese had little or no choice in the matter. Rama V appealed to the British for military assistance against the French when they sailed their gunships up the Chao Praya and it was not forthcoming, so Rama V had to cede Laos to them. He was said to have been a broken man afterwards. All the stuff about being clever and fending off colonisation is just starry-eyed Thai mythos unfortunately.

[tomross46]

Malaysian get married in Thailand according to religious rites. This does not mean they go to Thailand to marry a Thai. Getting married for second or more wives are stringent with groom having to proof that he can afford such marriage and with permission from fist wife.

This is true but only in an Islamic country. If any man wants to get marries, in Thailand, he can buy his wife from the mother. This is old tradition in Thailand, and the marriage do not have to be re gestured with any government office. It is not uncommon for Thai's to have more than one wife, some of our Pm had a wife and a Mia Noi also.

[Naam]

It is another example that Islam is a backward religion. Women do not seem to have any rights and any say in the affairs of their standup husbands. Mormons are criticized but with Muslims everybody is wiling to overlook the studs.

it's a blessing to have learned people like you who explain with indepth knowledge ("do not seem") the pros and cons of religions.

[Skywalker69]

Should read "Warning to Thai women, Muslim men will make you a mia, mia, mia noi!"

Actually that would be Mia noi noi noi

Now that's a Noi-ing

Or noi teesud.

[Naam]

If malaysia had more than 60 percent muslims, I'm sure they would allow polygamy (with or without 4 wife limit). Too bad, they are stuck to 50 percent of whole population.

I wonder if Indonesia accepts 4 wifes per man, even though they are from another country?

too bad you didn't do a little research to find out that Malaysia has indeed a Muslim population of slightly more than 60% (according to CIA factbook). a little googling would have shown you that this percentage is irrelevant and that polygamy according to Sharia Law is legal in Malaysia.

[khunken]

Since independance in Malaya the "Bumie Putras" (sons of the soil) (Muslim Malay's) have dictated the roles and rules of their country, they have precedence in every sphere of life...a very subtle apartheid winked at by countries in the West!

Dontcha know..?

Third worlders are allowed to behave any way they like..

Once whitey does that, the libtards are out for blood

That's because 'whitey' has too much blood on his hands. (Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen, etc).

The Bumieputra plan was to raise the level of local Malays to the Chinese-Malay level, the latter dominating the economy (not too different from Thailand). It has partially succeeded & has been watered down mainly because many Malays have had enough of it & the dominant political party.

[Morakot]

The facts:

Malay officials point out the importance of registering a marriage that involves a non-Malay national.

Coconuts News

Malaysian men be wary of (additional) Thai wives

Edited January 30, 2013 by Morakot

[saroq]

Malaysian get married in Thailand according to religious rites. This does not mean they go to Thailand to marry a Thai. Getting married for second or more wives are stringent with groom having to proof that he can afford such marriage and with permission from fist wife.

As with all religions and their practices the "stringent" conditions often become very flexible when sex, money or power are involved.

[unanimosity]

"Malaysian Muslim men have recently taken to journeying into southern Thailand in order to secure second, third or fourth wives"

You could not make up stuff like this.... Wonder how the Thai women are liking playing second fiddle to the Malaysian first wife...

Look, this was the way of the world before the 20th century. Even in Europe in the not so distant past. Most human societies in history have been formally or informally polygamist (versus perhaps a couple remote one that have been polygynist). In traditional societies it was not a bad deal for the wives. The women helped each other (status was usually clear) and supported each other ... don't forget, throughout most of history, marriage was not about love, it was about creating family/business alliances and extending the family line. Some anthropologists have suggested that societies started creating laws against polygamy because it creates an underclass of men (typically young and testosterone infused) with little access to women while older, wealthier men monopolise the women. Can create a dangerous climate... [Of course, there are some who further say this is why the older richer men in societies 'create' wars: to get these young frustrated men onto something different far away from home.]

Ah, the old bull and young bull story.

High on a hill above a herd of cows grazed a young bull and an old bull.

"Let's run down there and have our way with one of those cows," the young bull quipped.

"Why don't we walk down and have our way with them all," the old bull replied.

[maturebrit]

The Bumieputra plan was to raise the level of local Malays to the Chinese-Malay level, the latter dominating the economy (not too different from Thailand). It has partially succeeded & has been watered down mainly because many Malays have had enough of it & the dominant political party.

I am aware of bumi policies.

...still apartheid-esque and tribalistic.

The big question is...Are the chinese and the Indians equally malaysian citizens or not?

If they are .affirmative action policies are illegal, for obvious reasons.

If they aren't, this is also illegal by current 'civilized' standards.

....and since when do the succesful have to bail out the unsuccessful?

It's called capitalism and competition pal.

the way it was pointed out to me was like this

Indians and Chinese are liable to pay income tax. etc etc Foreigners pay it also plus sales tax /VAT... BUMMIES pay squat.... I found this out when checking receipts

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[khunken]

The Bumieputra plan was to raise the level of local Malays to the Chinese-Malay level, the latter dominating the economy (not too different from Thailand). It has partially succeeded & has been watered down mainly because many Malays have had enough of it & the dominant political party.

I am aware of bumi policies.

...still apartheid-esque and tribalistic.

The big question is...Are the chinese and the Indians equally malaysian citizens or not?

If they are ,affirmative action policies are illegal, for obvious reasons.

If they aren't, this is also illegal by current 'civilized' standards.

....and since when do the succesful have to bail out the unsuccessful?

It's called capitalism and competition pal.

The malays heve to get their act straight and not rely on government chicanery to get ahead.

What a crazy question - are ethnic Chinese & Indians Manaysian citizens? Of course they are & the Bumiputra policy doesn't deny them any rights of citizenship. To classify it as Aparthied-esque shows little understand of what Aparthied was (& is) about.

The 'successful' are not bailing out anyone - the Government was & is trying to raise the economic standards of the poorer people, not reducing the standards of the rich. In different ways it is the aim of all developing countries to raise the welfare of the less well off & if that goes against capitalism then so be it.

[Pimay1]

I think this is all very unfair.

I think 'all' men should be warned against 'any' marriage.

I agree 100%. This is a very racist article by not including all races with the warning. If a man does his homework and knows what he is getting into here in the LOS then he has no one to blame but himself for the consequences.

[adad]

This doesn't even qualify as a legal marriage in Thailand. Why no malay birth certificate though?

That is the problem, it is not a legal marriage so it is not recognised by Malaysia. For that it would need to be a legal Thai marriage, for which one cannot be maried already.

Well said Mario, one of the brighter lights here

Isn't the marriage officiated under the Syaria Law though?