Considered Opinion Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 How is it that a "suspect", not guilty yet, is forced to apologize? He feels guilty. Well done getting a chance to feel him and make sure... who's a lucky boy then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimamey Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I'm staggered at the lack of understanding of Thai culture shown on this thread thus far. This is all about face at this point. Sod all to do with legal proceedings or any of that nonsense as yet. It's about the miscreant having his vile face rubbed in the dirt in front of the family first and foremost to give them closure. We could, and should, take lessons from the Thais sometimes.... You are probably correct in pointing out that this has 'sod all to do with legal proceedings'. We as social humans have for several centuries attempted to set rules/laws for treatment/behavior of our peers, just to move away from the desires of the individual, regarding punishment, for unacceptable social behavior. When a select group can ignore what progress has been made in this area, it can be recongized as regression back to a time, several thousand years ago. We could go back to stoning, burning at the stake, excuting 7 generations of the family, draw and quarter, etc, but please do not claim to be a democratic nation/government one day and condone this behavior the next. Which bit of 'Thai culture' is that then. The bit where they have no idea what they're talking about and utter complete rubbish. The legal proceedings to which you refer are Thai in this country although they are based on foreign legislation. The purpose of these proceedings is to establish guilt in regards to this man. Until he is found guilty he isn't a miscreant and whilst he might not be the best looking guy around his face is no more vile than anyone else. If he's found guilty then that's a different matter. At the moment they could just as easily get you to do it. I'm staggered at the lack of understanding in your post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boater Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 This is wrong on many levels , how do we know the guy is even guilty ? We all know the police are quick to point the finger at someone when needed ! He should of at least had a fair trail before forcably admitting guilt in front of everyone ... And a judge could in fact even throw the case out against him due to this stunt ! Regardless , everyone should be offered a fair trail ( that is the one basic human right we should all have ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kimamey Posted February 13, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2013 I'm staggered at the lack of understanding of Thai culture shown on this thread thus far. This is all about face at this point. Sod all to do with legal proceedings or any of that nonsense as yet. It's about the miscreant having his vile face rubbed in the dirt in front of the family first and foremost to give them closure. We could, and should, take lessons from the Thais sometimes.... Absolutely right. There are far too many clueless posters on here who insist on other countries adopting their home countries system of law and justice, democracy, culture and ethics. Asia seems to get along just fine without the West's help. Makes you wonder why they even stay here. Assuming this isn't sarcasm try looking up the word 'Forum' .You'll find it at the top left under where it says Thai Visa. I'm not sure how you think the Thai systems of democracy and justice came about in the first place. They certainly didn't come up with it themselves. They may have altered it although I personally don't think they made improvements. This isn't about apologising to the relatives it's about it taking place before the trial in a Thai court to prove his guilt. Apologies from criminals are not unknown in the west either it's just that we wait until there's been a trial first. As for Asia and Thailand in particular getting along fine without help from the west I think you'll find that without the west you wouldn't be able to post on here in the first place . No internet, no www, no computers, no electricity. Thais are falling over themselves to get computers, tablet computers, mobile phones, smartphones, TVs, motorbikes and cars. Even there the ones they want most are Mercedes and BMW. Culture is the excuse usually given for doing something not quite right. The culture very rarely extends very far beyond this. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SICHONSTEVE Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I am sure everyone feels better now... How strangely ludicrous this is!!! I simply cannot fathom out these people's thinking....and what's with the photo gallery??? Very useful advice by Yingluck by the way - the street where this happened will suddenly be transformed from the scene of a rape and murder into one of the safest Soi's in Thailand. Why not place armed guards with assault weapons every 20 metres or so along both sides of the street 24/7 just to ENSURE it is safe at all times!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnie99 Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I'm staggered at the lack of understanding of Thai culture shown on this thread thus far. This is all about face at this point. Sod all to do with legal proceedings or any of that nonsense as yet. It's about the miscreant having his vile face rubbed in the dirt in front of the family first and foremost to give them closure. We could, and should, take lessons from the Thais sometimes.... Delightfully hilarious post We all take it in the spirit of humour with which it was undoubtedly posted. Well done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunken Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I'm staggered at the lack of understanding of Thai culture shown on this thread thus far. This is all about face at this point. Sod all to do with legal proceedings or any of that nonsense as yet. It's about the miscreant having his vile face rubbed in the dirt in front of the family first and foremost to give them closure. We could, and should, take lessons from the Thais sometimes.... Delightfully hilarious post We all take it in the spirit of humour with which it was undoubtedly posted. Well done! I don't think the post was meant as a joke. This is a new (to me) extension of the re-enactment farce where the guilty-before-trial backwards BIB system is played out. I just wonder if the BIB were instructed from 'on high' to parade their suspect before the family of the bereaved. It is a disgusting scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuhnPaen Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 How is it that a "suspect", not guilty yet, is forced to apologize? Why? Are you under the illusion that there is a difference in Thailand? A place with NO jury trials. Where the judge can look at you and say you look guilty before you enter your plea. A place where most people plead guilty because fighting the charge is almost impossible. Yeah, he better apologize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferangled Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 How is it that a "suspect", not guilty yet, is forced to apologize? Very good point, I would hazard a guess that it's the exact same way that they are forced to confess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morakot Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 One day this is going to turn into a circus freak show on live television. What do you mean by one day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy chef 1 Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Well done!hope that could be transferred to the so "wise" western world.me thinks it could help the relatives, my kudos.and to many of the other posters:first thinking- than replying . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropicalevo Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 How is it that a "suspect", not guilty yet, is forced to apologize? Because he has probably admitted the crime - but no trial yet. (He attended a re-enctment. Difficult if he wasn't there.) If Thais admit to the crime - 50% off the sentence. A lot of 'not so hi' Thais feel guilty and fess-up. It's the richer ones that fight. I'm sure the victim felt much better after the apology..."I'm sorry for killing you. After what I did to you, I am sure you're life will never be the same". The family asked for an apology. "On Monday, the victim's relatives carried her coffin to protest outside the premier's residence, demanding that the suspect apologise to them." Just what the mother needed, the guy who allegedly killed and raped his daughter gatecrashes the funeral with a ton of police in tow. So a sombre sad occassion is turned into a media circus!!! He did not gate crash - the family demanded it! Does anyone actually read the article? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 One day this is going to turn into a circus freak show on live television. What do you mean by one day? Well, one day someone is going to gut or shoot one of these apologists, and everyone will stand around and finally say "maybe this want such a good idea". If it was my daughter, God knows what i would do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropicalevo Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I'm staggered at the lack of understanding of Thai culture shown on this thread thus far. This is all about face at this point. Sod all to do with legal proceedings or any of that nonsense as yet. It's about the miscreant having his vile face rubbed in the dirt in front of the family first and foremost to give them closure. We could, and should, take lessons from the Thais sometimes.... I would guess that most of you 'politically correct' posters have not had someone close to you murdered here. Well I have. Whilst it seems strange - HD is correct. A lot of what goes here on is done to 1 Try and dump the bad Karma for a sin. 2 Admit guilt and get the sentance halved 3 Re-enactment it to stop the rich from paying the poor to take their place 4 Save face and obtain closure During the re-enactment/apology, there is normally a larger number of police - to protect the suspect! , it is not unusual for reletives to 'seek immediate revenge'. Chill out people - it is their country after all. Why should Thailand adopt 'politically correct laws' from us? Not everything that is done here is right. Not everything that is done here is wrong. Are other countries any better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtoad Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Interesting how they can't find Yinglucks brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I'm staggered at the lack of understanding of Thai culture shown on this thread thus far. This is all about face at this point. Sod all to do with legal proceedings or any of that nonsense as yet. It's about the miscreant having his vile face rubbed in the dirt in front of the family first and foremost to give them closure. We could, and should, take lessons from the Thais sometimes.... I would guess that most of you 'politically correct' posters have not had someone close to you murdered here. Well I have. Whilst it seems strange - HD is correct. A lot of what goes here on is done to 1 Try and dump the bad Karma for a sin. 2 Admit guilt and get the sentance halved 3 Re-enactment it to stop the rich from paying the poor to take their place 4 Save face and obtain closure During the re-enactment/apology, there is normally a larger number of police - to protect the suspect! , it is not unusual for reletives to 'seek immediate revenge'. Chill out people - it is their country after all. Why should Thailand adopt 'politically correct laws' from us? Not everything that is done here is right. Not everything that is done here is wrong. Are other countries any better? One day, this will go pear shaped, and a grieving relative will end up on a murder charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJIC Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 This is wrong on many levels , how do we know the guy is even guilty ? We all know the police are quick to point the finger at someone when needed ! He should of at least had a fair trail before forcably admitting guilt in front of everyone ... And a judge could in fact even throw the case out against him due to this stunt ! Regardless , everyone should be offered a fair trail ( that is the one basic human right we should all have ) In the west you would no doubt be right,in Thailand I doubt that will happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 He needs to be punished with the full force of the law, if he is guilty, and, although I am not a death penalty advocate, I would make an exception in his case. However, I can't see the point of the grotesque ritual stage managed by the police. I saw a picture in another paper of the suspect grovelling on the ground in front of the victim's mother who was busy kicking him in the head. Bizarre! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espinoza Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Why do you think it's wrong to make a villain apologise to his victim's family? The mind boggles.... It`s not wrong, but this one is not convicted yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Why do you think it's wrong to make a villain apologise to his victim's family? The mind boggles.... It`s not wrong, but this one is not convicted yet. Drinker, do you think anyone genuinely gets anything out of saying sorry for murder? Sorry, is for stepping on someones toe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vijer Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 She said she had also urged the metropolitan police chief to ensure the safety of people travelling in risky areas. Oh I can see it now, all the police that stand at the U-Turn bridges flapping their arms (somehow this is meant to keep traffic moving, as if the drivers would just stop moving, if the BiB wasn't their flapping his arms) will now be reassigned to risky areas. This will probably be about as useful as the idiotic sign they put up next to the field were the Thai's like to dump their garbage. 5000 baht fine for littering. A smart BiB would hide in the restaurant 200 meters up the road and watch the miscreants dumping trash. Then just waltz over and get a 2000 baht donation, next thing you know the BiB is well off and the Thai's stop dumping in my area. No they can't think like that, perhaps if Thaksin's sisters urges the police they will do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vijer Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Why do you think it's wrong to make a villain apologise to his victim's family? The mind boggles.... I hope someday you get arrested for rape or something, and you are not guilty, haven't even been to trial yet, and they make you get up on national TV and apologize. The mind boggles how you don't see the problem with the order in which this was done. If he was convicted then all well and good, but he hasn't been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALFREDO Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 (edited) Why do you think it's wrong to make a villain apologise to his victim's family? The mind boggles.... Think you had a few too many beers today HeavyDrinker, which might explain your boggling mind. I suppose the law states that rape and murder is punishable by prison or death, so if found guilty you can sentence him to .... prison or death. You cannot, and should not, just make new rules whenever relatives decide on their own punishment and demonstrate to get what they want. What if the family wanted him to cut off his finger, or his balls or drink 10 bottles of wine or whatever. Should he then be forced to do that as well? Your comparison is a bit far fetched, but. YES! Edited February 13, 2013 by ALFREDO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noitom Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 World Human Rights organizations should be interested in a Thai "suspect" being "forced" to apologize in a capital murder case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocN Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 If anyone ever has to apologize to me for anything...please leave the reporters and photographers at home! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon467367354 Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 how embarrassing, has to actually apologize, talk about losing face! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joboss Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 One day this is going to turn into a circus freak show on live television. What do you mean by one day? Well, one day someone is going to gut or shoot one of these apologists, and everyone will stand around and finally say "maybe this want such a good idea". If it was my daughter, God knows what i would do. Having his ‘guts for garters.’ ,, is probably what you would do, if you were your violated daughter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullcave Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 (edited) What's an apology from a psychopath worth? It's only words as they do not have the capacity to feel remorse or guilt. Edited February 14, 2013 by fullcave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boater Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 What's an apology from a psychopath worth? It's only words as they do not have the capacity to feel remorse or guilt. Face Sent from my iPhone using ThaiVisa app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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