Not got anything against tourists, but I used to love Pattaya & Phuket about 12-15 years ago, the place was fairly tolerable and was pretty much adults only orientated, which it should be in certain places. Upon a recent batch of trips to both places recently I have noticed a large concerntration of families and tourists who, quite honestly, just get in the way.

I want to have a fun, lads only holiday and NOT mind my language, if youknow what I'm saying.

Since when was Pattaya fit for a family destination? I'm confused. The bars and pubs don't seem to have shut down much though, which is what should be expected (I wouldn't bring a wife & kids there) given they appear to want these tourists rather than the other type.

Apart from Samui, Chang and Krabi, where can I discover the new utopia of an unspoilt and uncrowded bliss without bumping into these tourists? I don't get it. Maybe I been out of Thailand toooo long.

555 gotta love drunk 1:00 am posts; also entertaining when people complain that pattaya is less sleazy than it was ....

There is only one way this thread can go.

Let's nip it in the bud.