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In 5 years you should at least speak a reasonable amount of thai.

Why?

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Why? because you live in Thailand. Do you get upset when people move to your home country and refuse to speak your language? and rightfully so, its rude. So you being here that long you should have learned at least a nominal amount if for no other reason than to be polite and make your life a little easier.

I've been here 9 months and though not fluent at all just from asking a random question here and there are fully functional in a taxi and can order anything I want to eat (though clumsily at times) in a restaurant. Sure my conversational skills are not prime but its in the works and this is all without school.

In 5 years I'd hope to be fluent if not well on my way to being so.

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In 5 years you should at least speak a reasonable amount of thai.

Why?

Sent from my i-mobile i-STYLE Q6

Why? because you live in Thailand. Do you get upset when people move to your home country and refuse to speak your language? and rightfully so, its rude. So you being here that long you should have learned at least a nominal amount if for no other reason than to be polite and make your life a little easier.

I've been here 9 months and though not fluent at all just from asking a random question here and there are fully functional in a taxi and can order anything I want to eat (though clumsily at times) in a restaurant. Sure my conversational skills are not prime but its in the works and this is all without school.

In 5 years I'd hope to be fluent if not well on my way to being so.

It´s actually up to each and everyone how they want to live here and since there is not too much need of it, I can understand why some don´t bother too much with learning the language.

I did it to communicate with the in laws and it sometimes helps when you are out doing arrends or wanna solve a problem regarding a bill or something similar.

However, if I were able to become a citizen, I would consider it to be mandatory to learn as it is in every developed country around the world, yet this ain´t one of them and we cannot be citizens and since there is no obligation to learn Thai then I believe it's up to everyone to decide what´s best for them.

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In 5 years you should at least speak a reasonable amount of thai.

Why?

Sent from my i-mobile i-STYLE Q6

Why? because you live in Thailand. Do you get upset when people move to your home country and refuse to speak your language? and rightfully so, its rude. So you being here that long you should have learned at least a nominal amount if for no other reason than to be polite and make your life a little easier.

I've been here 9 months and though not fluent at all just from asking a random question here and there are fully functional in a taxi and can order anything I want to eat (though clumsily at times) in a restaurant. Sure my conversational skills are not prime but its in the works and this is all without school.

In 5 years I'd hope to be fluent if not well on my way to being so.

Well good for you thumbsup.gif . BUT, you have Nooooooooooooooooooo thought about folk who cannot deal with the language, ME. Been here for years and NOBODY understands my Thai/Lao. Mai pen rai, no problem. My best chum is a retired Thai Judge, Nooooooo problem. Thai English teachers CANNOT converse with me, mai pen rai,nooooooooooooo problem. coffee1.gif

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In 5 years you should at least speak a reasonable amount of thai.

Why?

Sent from my i-mobile i-STYLE Q6

Why? because you live in Thailand. Do you get upset when people move to your home country and refuse to speak your language? and rightfully so, its rude. So you being here that long you should have learned at least a nominal amount if for no other reason than to be polite and make your life a little easier.

I've been here 9 months and though not fluent at all just from asking a random question here and there are fully functional in a taxi and can order anything I want to eat (though clumsily at times) in a restaurant. Sure my conversational skills are not prime but its in the works and this is all without school.

In 5 years I'd hope to be fluent if not well on my way to being so.

It´s actually up to each and everyone how they want to live here and since there is not too much need of it, I can understand why some don´t bother too much with learning the language.

I did it to communicate with the in laws and it sometimes helps when you are out doing arrends or wanna solve a problem regarding a bill or something similar.

However, if I were able to become a citizen, I would consider it to be mandatory to learn as it is in every developed country around the world, yet this ain´t one of them and we cannot be citizens and since there is no obligation to learn Thai then I believe it's up to everyone to decide what´s best for them.

wrong you can become thai nationality for example you can apply for such after 5 year marriage to a thai woman ,(the other way around is even more easy for a woman married to thai man)

they do want you to speak and understand the language and beeing able to read and write some

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I have been told by many thais; a falang speaking a little thai is cute, funny...like a child....speak too much..no good...

I' m betting you haven't. And those that have said it? I think could guess what sort of people they were.

They are the kind of people that run guesthouses and wait tables in guesthouses etc. as I always insist on speaking Thai to them because it is much, much better than their English.

When some (not all, mind you) start acting stupid, like when they understand everything I have said (in Thai) perfectly but refuse to answer in Thai and stand there struggling to speak a clear word in English, I start putting them on the spot. "I am speaking Thai, you understood every word I said, why won't you answer me in Thai," at worst I get a blank look, at best I get the response I described above.

Hopefully that answers your question, stop making assumptions.

That's interesting, I've never been told by any guesthouse mangers or staff "a falang speaking a little thai is cute, funny...like a child....speak too much..no good..." and yet you've been told by many. Even if you had stayed in a lot more than I, that would still be odd but not impossible I suppose. And it's exclusively that group who has said it. Also odd.

I'm still betting the same.

Yes, it answered my question (albeit with an oddly restricted and improbable answer). I didn't assume. I guessed. And I was apparently right.

Speaking of assumptions, I note with some amusement your assumptions about people understanding everything you say perfectly when you speak Thai...I know one reason (not the only one) Thais will answer in English to someone who (attempts to) speak Thai: their English is better than the other's Thai and it's just easier (the same reason I often prefer to speak Thai to a Thai person struggling with English).

cheesy.gif So you took this time to write this post because you think I'm "lying."

Ok, genius, think whatever you want. Sure, I just make up crap to post on TV to make you upsetcheesy.gifclap2.gif

And um er....no...I know they understood everything I said because they took my order....CORRECTLY.....however when they needed to tell me something else they refuse to speak in Thai and struggled to mumble a word in English

If you spoke Thai well enough to converse you would have had experiences with these types of situations, the fact that you are denying it happened tells me you don't speak any Thai and have a very limited understanding of Thai xenephobia.

cheesy.gif You guys really crack me up

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I have been told by many thais; a falang speaking a little thai is cute, funny...like a child....speak too much..no good...

I' m betting you haven't. And those that have said it? I think could guess what sort of people they were.

They are the kind of people that run guesthouses and wait tables in guesthouses etc. as I always insist on speaking Thai to them because it is much, much better than their English.

That is what you think.

If you ask them, they will probably say their English is better than your Thai.

That is also the reason why they prefer to try to answer you in English.

No, you are wrong. See my reply to steel joe for the reason why, sherlockwink.png

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wrong you can become thai nationality for example you can apply for such after 5 year marriage to a thai woman ,(the other way around is even more easy for a woman married to thai man)

they do want you to speak and understand the language and beeing able to read and write some

3 years marriage, 1 year with a child, no requirement to speak any Thai, but you still need the points.

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I have been told by many thais; a falang speaking a little thai is cute, funny...like a child....speak too much..no good...

I' m betting you haven't. And those that have said it? I think could guess what sort of people they were.

They are the kind of people that run guesthouses and wait tables in guesthouses etc. as I always insist on speaking Thai to them because it is much, much better than their English.

When some (not all, mind you) start acting stupid, like when they understand everything I have said (in Thai) perfectly but refuse to answer in Thai and stand there struggling to speak a clear word in English, I start putting them on the spot. "I am speaking Thai, you understood every word I said, why won't you answer me in Thai," at worst I get a blank look, at best I get the response I described above.

Hopefully that answers your question, stop making assumptions.

That's interesting, I've never been told by any guesthouse mangers or staff "a falang speaking a little thai is cute, funny...like a child....speak too much..no good..." and yet you've been told by many. Even if you had stayed in a lot more than I, that would still be odd but not impossible I suppose. And it's exclusively that group who has said it. Also odd.

I'm still betting the same.

Yes, it answered my question (albeit with an oddly restricted and improbable answer). I didn't assume. I guessed. And I was apparently right.

Speaking of assumptions, I note with some amusement your assumptions about people understanding everything you say perfectly when you speak Thai...I know one reason (not the only one) Thais will answer in English to someone who (attempts to) speak Thai: their English is better than the other's Thai and it's just easier (the same reason I often prefer to speak Thai to a Thai person struggling with English).

cheesy.gif So you took this time to write this post because you think I'm "lying."

Ok, genius, think whatever you want. Sure, I just make up crap to post on TV to make you upsetcheesy.gifclap2.gif

And um er....no...I know they understood everything I said because they took my order....CORRECTLY.....however when they needed to tell me something else they refuse to speak in Thai and struggled to mumble a word in English

If you spoke Thai well enough to converse you would have had experiences with these types of situations, the fact that you are denying it happened tells me you don't speak any Thai and have a very limited understanding of Thai xenephobia.

cheesy.gif You guys really crack me up

I have encountered similar situations in Thailand. I usually suggest that they speak Thai, but in a few cases even that does not work. Sometimes you just have to give up and let them try to use English, even when, as you note, you are much better equipped to speak Thai than they are to speak English.

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I have been told by many thais; a falang speaking a little thai is cute, funny...like a child....speak too much..no good...

I' m betting you haven't. And those that have said it? I think could guess what sort of people they were.

They are the kind of people that run guesthouses and wait tables in guesthouses etc. as I always insist on speaking Thai to them because it is much, much better than their English.

When some (not all, mind you) start acting stupid, like when they understand everything I have said (in Thai) perfectly but refuse to answer in Thai and stand there struggling to speak a clear word in English, I start putting them on the spot. "I am speaking Thai, you understood every word I said, why won't you answer me in Thai," at worst I get a blank look, at best I get the response I described above.

Hopefully that answers your question, stop making assumptions.

That's interesting, I've never been told by any guesthouse mangers or staff "a falang speaking a little thai is cute, funny...like a child....speak too much..no good..." and yet you've been told by many. Even if you had stayed in a lot more than I, that would still be odd but not impossible I suppose. And it's exclusively that group who has said it. Also odd.

I'm still betting the same.

Yes, it answered my question (albeit with an oddly restricted and improbable answer). I didn't assume. I guessed. And I was apparently right.

Speaking of assumptions, I note with some amusement your assumptions about people understanding everything you say perfectly when you speak Thai...I know one reason (not the only one) Thais will answer in English to someone who (attempts to) speak Thai: their English is better than the other's Thai and it's just easier (the same reason I often prefer to speak Thai to a Thai person struggling with English).

So you took this time to write this post because you think I'm "lying."

Ok, genius, think whatever you want. Sure, I just make up crap to post on TV to make you upset

And um er....no...I know they understood everything I said because they took my order....CORRECTLY.....however when they needed to tell me something else they refuse to speak in Thai and struggled to mumble a word in English

If you spoke Thai well enough to converse you would have had experiences with these types of situations, the fact that you are denying it happened tells me you don't speak any Thai and have a very limited understanding of Thai xenephobia.

You guys really crack me up

Your cute little smileys make your post so much more intelligent and your points that much more sound!

Here's a couple points and them perhaps we'll be done with this pettiness and the whole futile exchange:

1) I took time to write the post for presumably the same reason you took time to write yours; posting on ThaiVisa amuses me and when some replies to something I said or just says something about which I have a comment, I post. You're "so" is inaccurate and nonsensical.

2) Your strawman is rather pathetic: nothing I have written in any way suggests that I believe anything so moronic as you posting on TVF in order to upset me. (I think it fairly obvious why you posted what you did and it has nothing to do with me).

3) I never denied and am not denying any such thing as you claim. That makes you look either foolish or dishonest. I have had such experiences and even said so previously. As for Thai xenophobia - that is a whole other story and you have absolutely NOTHING on which to base your conclusion as to my understanding of it.

4) The simple fact is I speak Thai quite well indeed and have been doing so for 30 years, during which time I have a wide variety of conversations - both deep And complex as well as trivial -on a daily basis. However, me insisting on such a thing here would be almost as stupid as you pretending to know whether I can or not.

EDIT:

Forgot one point (perhaps because it seems so obvious and trivial):

The fact that someone can correctly understand your order from a menu that they know and which they've heard many foreigners order from would be no indication to them (or anyone else) that your Thai is good enough to understand them when they speak about other things.

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@retell

wrong, you can become thai nationality for example you can apply for such
after 5 year marriage to a thai woman ,(the other way around is even
more easy for a woman married to thai man)

they do want you to speak and understand the language and beeing able to read and write some

Yeah I did hear about that on the grapevine, so how many applicants are accepted per year if you don´t mind me asking?

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I have been told by many thais; a falang speaking a little thai is cute, funny...like a child....speak too much..no good...

I' m betting you haven't. And those that have said it? I think could guess what sort of people they were.

They are the kind of people that run guesthouses and wait tables in guesthouses etc. as I always insist on speaking Thai to them because it is much, much better than their English.

When some (not all, mind you) start acting stupid, like when they understand everything I have said (in Thai) perfectly but refuse to answer in Thai and stand there struggling to speak a clear word in English, I start putting them on the spot. "I am speaking Thai, you understood every word I said, why won't you answer me in Thai," at worst I get a blank look, at best I get the response I described above.

Hopefully that answers your question, stop making assumptions.

That's interesting, I've never been told by any guesthouse mangers or staff "a falang speaking a little thai is cute, funny...like a child....speak too much..no good..." and yet you've been told by many. Even if you had stayed in a lot more than I, that would still be odd but not impossible I suppose. And it's exclusively that group who has said it. Also odd.

I'm still betting the same.

Yes, it answered my question (albeit with an oddly restricted and improbable answer). I didn't assume. I guessed. And I was apparently right.

Speaking of assumptions, I note with some amusement your assumptions about people understanding everything you say perfectly when you speak Thai...I know one reason (not the only one) Thais will answer in English to someone who (attempts to) speak Thai: their English is better than the other's Thai and it's just easier (the same reason I often prefer to speak Thai to a Thai person struggling with English).

So you took this time to write this post because you think I'm "lying."

Ok, genius, think whatever you want. Sure, I just make up crap to post on TV to make you upset

And um er....no...I know they understood everything I said because they took my order....CORRECTLY.....however when they needed to tell me something else they refuse to speak in Thai and struggled to mumble a word in English

If you spoke Thai well enough to converse you would have had experiences with these types of situations, the fact that you are denying it happened tells me you don't speak any Thai and have a very limited understanding of Thai xenephobia.

You guys really crack me up

Your cute little smileys make your post so much more intelligent and your points that much more sound!

Here's a couple points and them perhaps we'll be done with this pettiness and the whole futile exchange:

1) I took time to write the post for presumably the same reason you took time to write yours; posting on ThaiVisa amuses me and when some replies to something I said or just says something about which I have a comment, I post. You're "so" is inaccurate and nonsensical.

2) Your strawman is rather pathetic: nothing I have written in any way suggests that I believe anything so moronic as you posting on TVF in order to upset me. (I think it fairly obvious why you posted what you did and it has nothing to do with me).

3) I never denied and am not denying any such thing as you claim. That makes you look either foolish or dishonest. I have had such experiences and even said so previously. As for Thai xenophobia - that is a whole other story and you have absolutely NOTHING on which to base your conclusion as to my understanding of it.

4) The simple fact is I speak Thai quite well indeed and have been doing so for 30 years, during which time I have a wide variety of conversations - both deep And complex as well as trivial -on a daily basis. However, me insisting on such a thing here would be almost as stupid as you pretending to know whether I can or not.

EDIT:

Forgot one point (perhaps because it seems so obvious and trivial):

The fact that someone can correctly understand your order from a menu that they know and which they've heard many foreigners order from would be no indication to them (or anyone else) that your Thai is good enough to understand them when they speak about other things.

You can choose what you want to believe, but I can assure you I have heard this sentiment echoed many times.

And while my Thai is not perfect it is good enough to have real conversations.

And while I hear you say you are speaking the truth, I'm betting against itbiggrin.png

Do you like that smiley, or is this one better?laugh.png

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The thing is its all the other words he cannot hear that would make him feel even more worried, like...

When is the farang leaving?

I have a rope for the farang.

Is the 'well' deep enough for the farang?

Ever wondered what farang taste like?

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Buy and wear this T-shirt with pride !

-Chan-Rak-Farang-Women-s-T-Shirts.png

thats the one for his GF

he should have one that says

i don't speak thai

i like to f^^k thou

just kidding ,, i think the original post was a question

now it turned into a freegame shoot what you like

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I was having a conversation with my 14 yr old Thai/american son, we have just moved to the USA it is his first time living here and i have been away for 16 yrs. I told him it is odd that I am American and accepted as an American but America is no longer my home and in Thailand I will always be a forang and never accepted as a Thai but Thailand is my home.

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I was having a conversation with my 14 yr old Thai/american son, we have just moved to the USA it is his first time living here and i have been away for 16 yrs. I told him it is odd that I am American and accepted as an American but America is no longer my home and in Thailand I will always be a forang and never accepted as a Thai but Thailand is my home.

kudos this one just as i feel it

Posted

Five years and no Thai? Sounds like you're not putting the effort in to integrate either no wonder they can't be bothered to learn your name if you can't even be bothered to learn the language of the country you live in.

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Was waiting for my noodle soup to arrive last night and the young boy asked his mum whether it was for the farang? Funnily enough, my mind wandered back to this topic. Brought a smile to my face. smile.png

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After a few Thai relationships that didn't go the course he ended up marrying a nice Brit girl. It no longer surprised him but used to sadden him at all the conversations he would overhear about the 'falang' when out and about when they didn't know he understood every word. I guess Thailand is still developing and is a tough and relatively poor country to have to survive in. It's natural that many folk like to look down on other groups to buttress any feelings of inadequacy they may have.

The OP probably needs to a) ascertain is this relationship measuring up , does his GF support and respect him and if so then that needs to be communicated to her parents and relatives. If not learn a lesson, get out and move on.

As an aside the Brit I mentioned above said it was very difficult / impossible to make real friends in Thailand and what utimately peed him off about the culture overall was the pi/nong nature of relationships - one in which most falangs just don't have a place - it's easier for Thai's to put us all in one big box marked 'falang' rather than work out where we are in the scheme of things.

Yes, I agree to all of this, but many foreigners, refuse to see this side of things.

This is exactly the reason we, "the white skinned people" should at least not call ourselves the "f" word.

Posted

After a few Thai relationships that didn't go the course he ended up marrying a nice Brit girl. It no longer surprised him but used to sadden him at all the conversations he would overhear about the 'falang' when out and about when they didn't know he understood every word. I guess Thailand is still developing and is a tough and relatively poor country to have to survive in. It's natural that many folk like to look down on other groups to buttress any feelings of inadequacy they may have.

The OP probably needs to a) ascertain is this relationship measuring up , does his GF support and respect him and if so then that needs to be communicated to her parents and relatives. If not learn a lesson, get out and move on.

As an aside the Brit I mentioned above said it was very difficult / impossible to make real friends in Thailand and what utimately peed him off about the culture overall was the pi/nong nature of relationships - one in which most falangs just don't have a place - it's easier for Thai's to put us all in one big box marked 'falang' rather than work out where we are in the scheme of things.

Yes, I agree to all of this, but many foreigners, refuse to see this side of things.

This is exactly the reason we, "the white skinned people" should at least not call ourselves the "f" word.

Daft post. laugh.png , do you belong to the N..... party or similar ? coffee1.gif .............rolleyes.gif

Posted (edited)

After a few Thai relationships that didn't go the course he ended up marrying a nice Brit girl. It no longer surprised him but used to sadden him at all the conversations he would overhear about the 'falang' when out and about when they didn't know he understood every word. I guess Thailand is still developing and is a tough and relatively poor country to have to survive in. It's natural that many folk like to look down on other groups to buttress any feelings of inadequacy they may have.

The OP probably needs to a) ascertain is this relationship measuring up , does his GF support and respect him and if so then that needs to be communicated to her parents and relatives. If not learn a lesson, get out and move on.

As an aside the Brit I mentioned above said it was very difficult / impossible to make real friends in Thailand and what utimately peed him off about the culture overall was the pi/nong nature of relationships - one in which most falangs just don't have a place - it's easier for Thai's to put us all in one big box marked 'falang' rather than work out where we are in the scheme of things.

Yes, I agree to all of this, but many foreigners, refuse to see this side of things.

This is exactly the reason we, "the white skinned people" should at least not call ourselves the "f" word.

Well. I'm a foreigner in Thailand why wouldn't I use that word..

Foreigner

????

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Buy and wear this T-shirt with pride !

-Chan-Rak-Farang-Women-s-T-Shirts.png

... and loose all your friends in no time.

If you're a farang...why in the hell would you wear this t-shirt?

Please enlighten me.

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Buy and wear this T-shirt with pride !

-Chan-Rak-Farang-Women-s-T-Shirts.png

... and loose all your friends in no time.

If you're a farang...why in the hell would you wear this t-shirt?

Please enlighten me.

Yes correct one for the GF and presents for the family I think.

Posted

Buy and wear this T-shirt with pride !

-Chan-Rak-Farang-Women-s-T-Shirts.png

... and loose all your friends in no time.

this kind of "friends" is not worthwhile to have.

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Buy and wear this T-shirt with pride !

-Chan-Rak-Farang-Women-s-T-Shirts.png

... and loose all your friends in no time.

If you're a farang...why in the hell would you wear this t-shirt?

Please enlighten me.

to irk the ignorants.

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After a few Thai relationships that didn't go the course he ended up marrying a nice Brit girl. It no longer surprised him but used to sadden him at all the conversations he would overhear about the 'falang' when out and about when they didn't know he understood every word. I guess Thailand is still developing and is a tough and relatively poor country to have to survive in. It's natural that many folk like to look down on other groups to buttress any feelings of inadequacy they may have.

The OP probably needs to a) ascertain is this relationship measuring up , does his GF support and respect him and if so then that needs to be communicated to her parents and relatives. If not learn a lesson, get out and move on.

As an aside the Brit I mentioned above said it was very difficult / impossible to make real friends in Thailand and what utimately peed him off about the culture overall was the pi/nong nature of relationships - one in which most falangs just don't have a place - it's easier for Thai's to put us all in one big box marked 'falang' rather than work out where we are in the scheme of things.

Yes, I agree to all of this, but many foreigners, refuse to see this side of things.

This is exactly the reason we, "the white skinned people" should at least not call ourselves the "f" word.

Well. I'm a foreigner in Thailand why wouldn't I use that word..

Foreigner

????

Sent from my i-mobile i-STYLE Q6

Yes, foreigner works fine, I referred to the other word. And I think you know that.

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After a few Thai relationships that didn't go the course he ended up marrying a nice Brit girl. It no longer surprised him but used to sadden him at all the conversations he would overhear about the 'falang' when out and about when they didn't know he understood every word. I guess Thailand is still developing and is a tough and relatively poor country to have to survive in. It's natural that many folk like to look down on other groups to buttress any feelings of inadequacy they may have.

The OP probably needs to a) ascertain is this relationship measuring up , does his GF support and respect him and if so then that needs to be communicated to her parents and relatives. If not learn a lesson, get out and move on.

As an aside the Brit I mentioned above said it was very difficult / impossible to make real friends in Thailand and what utimately peed him off about the culture overall was the pi/nong nature of relationships - one in which most falangs just don't have a place - it's easier for Thai's to put us all in one big box marked 'falang' rather than work out where we are in the scheme of things.

Yes, I agree to all of this, but many foreigners, refuse to see this side of things.

This is exactly the reason we, "the white skinned people" should at least not call ourselves the "f" word.

Well. I'm a foreigner in Thailand why wouldn't I use that word..

Foreigner

????

Sent from my i-mobile i-STYLE Q6

Yes, foreigner works fine, I referred to the other word. And I think you know that.

Farang = Foreigner. Foreigner = Farang in LOS. I really don't see a problem. coffee1.gif

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