Pheu Thai Demands Apologies From Democrat Leaders

[jayboy]

3 years on and most of the above are still .brain-washed.

Try checking out the international media for what actually happened in 2010 not just the yellow-hued elitist Thai media.

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Maybe you can point us to the "international media" articles that explain what actually happened. It would be useful if they were actually here so they know what happened too.

All the international news agencies were here in 2010 including the BBC and CNN.However they were in the pay of Thaksin so cannot be relied upon.Also it is an established fact that no foreigner can ever understand Thailand, because Thailand is so special and unique.Slightly less facetiously the Thai establishment cannot handle detailed scrutiny.

Talking of detailed scrutiny, that is a problem you have with the Arisman video. Pity Arisman wasn't addressing the crowd this time round with a joyful rendition of bring your bottles to fill up with petrol to burn Bangkok. I am sure the audience would have politely clapped him just as they did last time.

Doesn't really make any sense.You invest a great deal of what passes for your "argument" in what one hot head said - and in any event he has come under a great deal of scrutiny.I haven't noticed anyone defend him, and isn't he still behind bars?

As to the more general point the Thai elite detests independent detailed scrutiny, especially from outside as for example the BBC's excellent Jonathan Head found out.

[Baerboxer]

A few questions:

Were there 100k people there?

Who made that estimate?

Did anyone think of demanding Thaksin's apologies for all the deaths and destruction caused by the riots he instigated?

Were the families of the soldiers killed by the rioters there?

Was the family of the lady killed in the sky train station attack there?

RIP to the lady who died.

Another martyr to the greed and selfishness of the coward sitting in his air con luxury in Dubai while these fools sweat and die for him.

The court has already ruled that soldiers (& therefore AV/ST) were responsible for some of the red shirt deaths. I haven't seen any court ruling saying Thaksin was responsible for deaths, or any rulings on who killed the soldiers or the lady at the sky train. I guess until they do your comments can be written off as biased speculation.

Wriiten off in the same way that your political charges against AV/ST should be. This type of nonsense only used to happen in so called peoples' socialist republics or facist states. Both characterised by a lot of law and little order or democracy.

[seajae]

And the people of Thailand demand an apology from the red shirts for destroying everyone else's lives with their opportunistic money making doing thaksins bidding. These self righteous terrorists have no regard for anyone else, they simply do what ever their paymaster tells them because they are too stupid to be able to reason anything out for themselves and have no understanding other than what they want.

[Frank James]

Why did the government allow this "demonstration" to go on for so long? I have never understood that. In no other country that I can think of, would a government, whose primary job is to ensure the public safety, have allowed this thing to go on and on the way it did. OK gather and present your grievances for a few days, then GO HOME.

As an outside observer, and a guest in your country, I am appalled at the bitter hatreds and division I see here. I am tempted to say A POX on BOTH your houses! Can't someone rise above this insane Red vs Yellow dichotomy and agree to work for the overall betterment of Thailand?

[livinthailandos]

With all the posting and comments regarding this matter I can only say

1. Most likely we will never get a real account on all the details that occurred during that time

2. No matter what there will be no real responsibility taken from any side in a way that might take such a event that occured and make sure things like this are handled better or prevented

3. Due to simply how things are in thailand I suspect it will be only a matter of when something like this happens again

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[easybullet3]

The court has already ruled that soldiers (& therefore AV/ST) were responsible for some of the red shirt deaths. I haven't seen any court ruling saying Thaksin was responsible for deaths, or any rulings on who killed the soldiers or the lady at the sky train. I guess until they do your comments can be written off as biased speculation.

A protester has been arrested for shooting grenades at the skytrain.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2010-12/22/c_13660270.htm

This is pathetic!!

the red shirts cause disturbance and set fire to a huge shopping mall. they block streets, cause problems, and keep local residents awake all night with their megaphones and loud music!

and then they have the 'gall' to ask for an apology for the mess that they made!

absolutely ridiculous 'no brain' mentality.

[vijer]

I demand an appology from the Red Shirts, for them being so stupid.

[Just1Voice]

Well, we could go with the old line: "Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out", but that would probably get me flamed. lol

[lemoncake]

Now call me crazy, but the crack down was ordered by the government, so should not they be seeking an apology from the government and NOT particular party?

Have any of them apologized to business owners whose businesses they burned and destroyed?

[rubl]

In response to #31 jayboy ( http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/640673-pheu-thai-demands-apologies-from-democrat-leaders/page-2#entry6420754 )

"the Thai elite detests independent detailed scrutiny"

Never a truer thing was said

[Insight]

Have any of them apologized to business owners whose businesses they burned and destroyed?

The official Red Shirt position on this is:

"It wasn't me."

Seriously...

[lemoncake]

Have any of them apologized to business owners whose businesses they burned and destroyed?

The official Red Shirt position on this is:

"It wasn't me."

Seriously...

If i was a democrat party leader, my response to demand of apology would be "up to you" let them figure that one out

[Rich teacher]

With your logic it can be said that had the army been allowed to continue with its strategy of containment and quarantine, the situation may have had a different outcome. You seem to forget that some groups wanted a faster resolution and this resulted in the army commanding officers being relieved of their positions and replaced by Queens Guards units. The army had done a fairly decent job in keeping the situation calm and fairly non violent. The violence only reached its apex as the Queen Guard units went on the offensive. Up until them, the army had the protestors contained. Had the original plan been followed, the supply lines would have been cut and slowly but surely, the leaders taken into custody. The PM was in panic mode and was under pressure from forces upon who's support he needed to remain in power. As much as I would like to blame Abhisit, the man was not in charge.

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Calm and non-violent ... except for storming parliament and Thaicom and using molotov cocktails ...

Don't forget the hospital.

Yes, we should never forget the public hospital that opened its upper floors to government snipers and then moved critically ill patients out as a publicity stunt, when they were under absolutely no danger. Lest we forget.

[whybother]

Yes, we should never forget the public hospital that opened its upper floors to government snipers and then moved critically ill patients out as a publicity stunt, when they were under absolutely no danger. Lest we forget.

Government snipers that no one saw?

[Rich teacher]

Yes, we should never forget the public hospital that opened its upper floors to government snipers and then moved critically ill patients out as a publicity stunt, when they were under absolutely no danger. Lest we forget.

Government snipers that no one saw?

Oh just like 'no one' saw snipers in the Dusit Thani or at an all girls' public school or positioned on rooftops all around the city. Just because you don't have 'clear eyes'.

[whybother]

Yes, we should never forget the public hospital that opened its upper floors to government snipers and then moved critically ill patients out as a publicity stunt, when they were under absolutely no danger. Lest we forget.

Government snipers that no one saw?

Oh just like 'no one' saw snipers in the Dusit Thani or at an all girls' public school or positioned on rooftops all around the city. Just because you don't have 'clear eyes'.

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They went in and searched the place (scaring a lot of the patients) and didn't find any snipers? Did they fly off in helicopters?

[MAJIC]

3 years on and most of the above are still .brain-washed.

Try checking out the international media for what actually happened in 2010 not just the yellow-hued elitist Thai media.

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Maybe you can point us to the "international media" articles that explain what actually happened. It would be useful if they were actually here so they know what happened too.

All the international news agencies were here in 2010 including the BBC and CNN.However they were in the pay of Thaksin so cannot be relied upon.Also it is an established fact that no foreigner can ever understand Thailand, because Thailand is so special and unique.Slightly less facetiously the Thai establishment cannot handle detailed scrutiny.

I'm not quite sure what you mean in this post? Who are you Reffering to in your quote? "However they were in the pay of Thaksin so cannot be relied upon" surely you don't mean CNN and the BBC?

[Robby nz]

Yes, we should never forget the public hospital that opened its upper floors to government snipers and then moved critically ill patients out as a publicity stunt, when they were under absolutely no danger. Lest we forget.

Getting new quotes from the red shirt book all the time, don't think I've seen that one before

Those of us who were here at the time know what did happen so are well able to sort BS from fact.

The coward in Dubai who started and funded it all is the one who owes the whole country an apology but it will never happen until he stands before a judge then we will see a disgusting show of whinging and cringing in an attempt to save his sorry ass.

There are, as we see, still those who support the red BS whether it is because they like the color of the money provided, the power they think it gives them or if it is just that the old saying that 'BS baffles brains' is correct, assuming they have brains that is.

[Rich teacher]

Yes, we should never forget the public hospital that opened its upper floors to government snipers and then moved critically ill patients out as a publicity stunt, when they were under absolutely no danger. Lest we forget.

Government snipers that no one saw?

Oh just like 'no one' saw snipers in the Dusit Thani or at an all girls' public school or positioned on rooftops all around the city. Just because you don't have 'clear eyes'.

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They went in and searched the place (scaring a lot of the patients) and didn't find any snipers? Did they fly off in helicopters?

No, they were seen hurriedly leaving the building by a back entrance from one of the upper floors. At the time twitter was full of accounts.

Another example of this high-stakes form of negative public relations strategy involved the evacuation of Chulalongkorn Hospital in Bangkok on April 30, 2010. It was widely reported that the evacuation was prompted by an invasion of Red Shirt demonstrators searching for snipers. In fact, the incident was planned in advance by the Government Leadership and the Army Leadership, in collusion with certain members of the Thai media and certain members of the board of Chulalongkorn Hospital. After members of the press challenged Red Shirt leaders to back up their claims that Army snipers had fired shots from atop the hospital, hospital management immediately ordered the evacuation. There was never any genuine belief that the Red Shirt leaders presented a threat, and the orders to evacuate were given in order to heighten tensions and reinforce the false impression that the Red Shirts were violent and a threat to the monarchy.

[whybother]

No, they were seen hurriedly leaving the building by a back entrance from one of the upper floors. At the time twitter was full of accounts.

Another example of this high-stakes form of negative public relations strategy involved the evacuation of Chulalongkorn Hospital in Bangkok on April 30, 2010. It was widely reported that the evacuation was prompted by an invasion of Red Shirt demonstrators searching for snipers. In fact, the incident was planned in advance by the Government Leadership and the Army Leadership, in collusion with certain members of the Thai media and certain members of the board of Chulalongkorn Hospital. After members of the press challenged Red Shirt leaders to back up their claims that Army snipers had fired shots from atop the hospital, hospital management immediately ordered the evacuation. There was never any genuine belief that the Red Shirt leaders presented a threat, and the orders to evacuate were given in order to heighten tensions and reinforce the false impression that the Red Shirts were violent and a threat to the monarchy.

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Planned in advance? So they knew that the red shirts would storm a hospital?

Could the red shirt leaders back up their claims that Army snipers had fired from the hospital?

Having red shirts wandering around a hospital armed with sticks etc looks like a threat to the patients to me.

Edited May 22, 2013 by whybother

[Pi Sek]

No, they were seen hurriedly leaving the building by a back entrance from one of the upper floors. At the time twitter was full of accounts.

Another example of this high-stakes form of negative public relations strategy involved the evacuation of Chulalongkorn Hospital in Bangkok on April 30, 2010. It was widely reported that the evacuation was prompted by an invasion of Red Shirt demonstrators searching for snipers. In fact, the incident was planned in advance by the Government Leadership and the Army Leadership, in collusion with certain members of the Thai media and certain members of the board of Chulalongkorn Hospital. After members of the press challenged Red Shirt leaders to back up their claims that Army snipers had fired shots from atop the hospital, hospital management immediately ordered the evacuation. There was never any genuine belief that the Red Shirt leaders presented a threat, and the orders to evacuate were given in order to heighten tensions and reinforce the false impression that the Red Shirts were violent and a threat to the monarchy.

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Planned in advance? So they knew that the red shirts would storm a hospital?

Could the red shirt leaders back up their claims that Army snipers had fired from the hospital?

Having red shirts wandering around a hospital armed with sticks etc looks like a threat to the patients to me.

It does to any reasonable person too.